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I think 3-4 months is too short a period for anyone to make a nuisance of themselves in power. AK can simply talk and do nothing prior to the LS elections.

However his becoming CM would be a major step-up, especially among the eyes of the apolitical, youngistanis.

So it is best for him to stay out of power or to have a re-election. Making him CM gives him a much bigger clout and a platform to cause more damage.
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sum wrote:Cant believe this is a Aakar Patel article:
Modi to middle class: 10 things to learn from state polls
First, a surge of voting, as high as 5% more than the average, indicates a positive vote and an enthusiasm for
democratic solutions rather than a despondency and an anger.

In states that the Congress ruled - Delhi and Rajasthan - it has been brushed aside. In states the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) governed - Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh - the Congress has been clobbered again in the big one and in the other it remains on the losing side despite a decade long anti-incumbency. But this is not a rejection so much as an affirmation. There is a wave rising in favour of the BJP.

Second, the evidence shows that in many two-party states, the Congress is slipping into a permanent opposition.

In Gujarat, the party consistently gets 40% of the vote but still hasn't won an election, whether Lok Sabha or assembly, in three decades. It last won a majority there in 1985 during Rajiv Gandhi's sweep.

In Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, a similar model is now visible. A combination of the right caste alliances and competent governance in both states has kept the BJP in the saddle for 15 years. If the party abstains from infighting again in Rajasthan, it could shut the Congress out from that crucial state also. The indications are that the BJP is replacing the Congress as the establishment party of India.
{ Same was said on BRF some eons back}

Third, we must applaud and appreciate the remarkable and unprecedented rise of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) in Delhi. This is the first time in north India that a party has been successful in gathering a non-caste vote. It is issues that have drawn the Delhi voter to the AAP.

This shows the size and power of the urban middle-class (an inclusive term that we must take to mean all those who are not the abject poor). This is a phenomenon, a new departure in our politics. It must be welcomed and studied in detail.

Fourth, this non-caste vote, on the evidence of this election, is lost to the Congress and is going either to the AAP or the BJP. This means that the expansion of India's urban middle class base, and it is a rapid expansion, actually goes against the Congress.

Fifth, the media's ability to influence politics is demonstrated through the AAP's success. Television and the Internet can legitimately claim to have helped create a formidable political force through concentrated focus on issues.


Sixth, 'None Of The Above' is not a serious option. This recent, Supreme Court-enforced innovation gives voters the right to reject all candidates. The meagre numbers who chose it reinforce the fact that this was a positive vote. There is little dissatisfaction with electoral politics or with politicians in the voters.

Seventh, the opinion polling has been spot on. Many pollsters have even squeezed out the right prediction in tight states like Chhattisgarh. This is amazing given how diverse the electorate in India is and how news budgets limit sample sizes. Most of these predictions have been made by polling a sample of only 2,000 or so people. This is world class psephology.

Eighth, Narendra Modi is dictating the terms of the debate. His sweeping campaign through the four states has been a command performance. He has cleared this semi-final brilliantly and is now the man to beat. He is the main issue of the next election so far as the news goes. The Congress is unable to effectively push through its message in the media. The Bills on which it hopes to retain power, for instance, food security, don't have traction in states where they should have been vote-winners.

Ninth, Rahul Gandhi's effort at rejuvenating the party by nourishing the Congress grassroots and making the district units more professional hasn't much to show by way of results. His style, which is realist and distant, has little appeal. His refusal or inability to deploy his charisma is hurting his party and his soldiers will be in despair when they size their general up against the BJP's dynamo.

Tenth, the BJP cadre will now be enthused, fired up and ready for the sprint to come. The minor squabbling in the party and positioning for leadership has come to an absolute end. This is now the party of Narendra Modi as much as it was in the past that of Atal Bihari Vajpayee and LK Advani and perhaps even more so.

The Congress won in Rajasthan and swept Delhi last time. It will not do so in six months' time. In other states its position is not good either. It got 31 MPs from Andhra Pradesh, and will not repeat that performance or come anywhere close to it given the epic mess it has made of the Telangana issue. The end seems nigh.
- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/a ... M7rUD.dpuf
The three Gandhis, mother, heir, and daughter, will be receiving the fawning whispers of sycophants trying to convince them, like the later Mughals sitting in the midst of a signal disaster, that this thrashing isn't really their defeat.

And the contender, alone in his spare Gandhinagar office and without need for family or of advisers, is coldly moving around his pieces, of which four have fallen into place.
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Nice article that talks about being economically center-right vs being politically center-right:
Not just about Modi, BJP: Why it isn’t wrong to be right
A center-right vision of India’s future gives primacy to market forces (rather than the state) in determining the country’s economic future. It does not preclude cultural liberalism. In fact, the health of free market economy depends on the freedom of its participants, unencumbered by cultural conservatism of any kind.

India has long been dominated by forces of the centre-left. In the economic sphere, the mixed up policies of Congress-style socialism have resulted in sluggish growth, inflationary spells and continuous poverty. Countries that were far poorer than India in 1950 (Korea, Malaysia, Thailand) are now much richer, because they relied more heavily on market forces. Now, after 10 years of uninterrupted rule by the populist, centre-left, Congress and its allies which will end with an economy in the doldrums, a centre-right economic agenda is the only alternative. India stands on the cusp (of either sinking into stagnation, or rising from the dead) just like advanced economies like the US and UK did in the late 1970s. The rise of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher was at least partly due to the dramatic failure of the centre-left in the decade that preceded their arrival. In the Indian context, there are other advantages to unleashing a market economy. Several old divisions – whether based on religion, caste, region or language – are reinforced by the polity and the state. The bogey of reservations, based on some historical cleavage in society, is the basic instinct of almost every political party. Markets, which give preference to merit than accidents of birth can paper over these cleavages. Markets can be a stronger force for more liberalism and tolerance in society than any political party can ever be. Is there a role for the state in this centre-right vision of India? Yes, there is. The state needs to be a referee. It needs to be an effective regulator of market forces so that excesses of the kind which we saw in the global financial sector before the onset of the global financial crisis of 2008 are curbed. In India the state must also play a role in financing the building of infrastructure; physical infrastructure like roads, ports and irrigation; social infrastructure like education and health. But financing is not the same as delivery. In India, the Government has been a poor deliverer of public services. There is, therefore, a case to be made for public financing combined with private deliver.
India lost a great political alternative when Rajaji's Swatantra Party was strangled and later dissolved into the anti-Congress alliance of the mid 70s. It would great if BJP can completely take over the economic framework that party espoused.
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^^ Am only praying that this doesn't become like 2004 election dhaaga ( in April-May 2014) when we were all expecting a NDA-2 and the dhaaga was crushed into silence by final results!!

The destination seems in sight going by trends and not in a mood to have carpet pulled out from under ( like in 2004 and 2009). Will be really heart-breaking if that happens.
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^^I vividly recall my stunned silence at the results of 2004 (less so, 2009). Yes, would rather be cautious and pessimistic about NDA's chances this time rather than risk such a shocka to befall moi boor heart (weaker and older now than a decade ago, besides) again...

Modi'll India'll lose onlee ... :(( :(( :((
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nageshks wrote:Was just looking through the results of Rajasthan. The last time, the two people mainly responsible for the BJP's defeat were Col. Kirori Singh Bainsla and Dr. Kirori Lal Meena. This time, Kirori Lal Meena was defeated by Rajkumari Diya Kumari (the girl has something of the legendary Gayathri Devi's looks) in his own home constituency in Sawai Madhopur. Kirori Singh Bainsla jumped to the Congress and appealed fervently to everyone in his community to vote for the Congress. The result? The two Gujjar ministers from the Congress were routed and all the Gujjar candidates from the BJP won. Seems a fitting end for the two casteist leaders, who, at election times, were used to rising from their tar pits like something from an old horror movie.
Bainsla's pro-Congress appeal was frowned upon and backfired in many sectors:
a) Because in urban and semi urban circles people were trying to vote for purposes higher than caste and creed.
b) Because in rural areas the Congress had fielded Jat candidates in many locations and Gurjars were in a fix, as they couldn't vote for a Jat even if he was from Congress. Normally the person takes precendence over party in the rural areas.
For almost every major caste in Rajasthan, patterns were similar. Take the example of Rajputs.
There are 26 Rajput MLAs now (1 more will add from Churu bye-election). Of these - 20+ have won on BJP tickets, 1-2 on Congress and 2-3 Others.
Congress tickets literally became a curse this time. Well known guys like Pratap Singh Khachariyavas lost out to BJP rivals.

Sawai Madhopur is a city established by a Jaipur royal whose line the princess (BJP candidate) belongs to. This was leveraged by Modi in his rally there. He hasn't been shy in invoking history. Rajasthan was anyway blooming in a huge NaMo wave.
Secondly, the Meena leader was known for his rough image and handling of polling that falls in gray area to say the least.
This time he was tied down by double than usual para military forces and couldn't flex his muscles, while Diya Kumari was touring villages on foot. The Meena leader was only seen squirming about the extra force around him and his goons.
I'm sure the he had majority of Meena votes, with exception of some youngsters and women breaking away to NaMo wave. Till 2:00 PM IST he was leading with a gap of around 25,000 votes. The princess recovering 31,000 votes in few hours really spinned my head.

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Virendra wrote: Bainsla's pro-Congress appeal was frowned upon and backfired in many sectors:
a) Because in urban and semi urban circles people were trying to vote for purposes higher than caste and creed.
b) Because in rural areas the Congress had fielded Jat candidates in many locations and Gurjars were in a fix, as they couldn't vote for a Jat even if he was from Congress. Normally the person takes precendence over party in the rural areas.
For almost every major caste in Rajasthan, patterns were similar. Take the example of Rajputs.
There are 26 Rajput MLAs now (1 more will add from Churu bye-election). Of these - 20+ have won on BJP tickets, 1-2 on Congress and 2-3 Others.
Congress tickets literally became a curse this time. Well known guys like Pratap Singh Khachariyavas lost out to BJP rivals.
Interesting info that Gujjars do not vote for Jats (I am assuming that the reverse holds true as well). Thanks for the tidbit of info, Virendra-ji.
Sawai Madhopur is a city established by a Jaipur royal whose line the princess (BJP candidate) belongs to. This was leveraged by Modi in his rally there. He hasn't been shy in invoking history. Rajasthan was anyway blooming in a huge NaMo wave.
Secondly, the Meena leader was known for his rough image and handling of polling that falls in gray area to say the least.
This time he was tied down by double than usual para military forces and couldn't flex his muscles, while Diya Kumari was touring villages on foot. The Meena leader was only seen squirming about the extra force around him and his goons.
I'm sure the he had majority of Meena votes, with exception of some youngsters and women breaking away to NaMo wave. Till 2:00 PM IST he was leading with a gap of around 25,000 votes. The princess recovering 31,000 votes in few hours really spinned my head.
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Glad to hear that NaMo's rally worked for Diya Kumari. I have always been an admirer of the legendary Gayathri Devi - her Swatantra Party venture was a very good thing for India, IMHO, and I have read her autobiography, A Princess Remembers. Let us hope the granddaughter makes the grandmother proud. If she can live up to the ideals of her grandmum, she should be very good for the constituency.

As for Kirori Lal Meena, he used to contest from Todabhim near Dholpur. Why did hs change his constituency?
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yeah i recall that dark day in 2004 too when the forces of Mordor ran rampant over the land and burned every glade to its tree stumps. rabbits, squirrels and other gentle creatures were rounded up and roasted on open flames. the forest fell into sickness and the dark miasma of The Necromancer hangs over it now.

in 2009 I knew the forces of loh purush would be soundly routed, so I wasnt expecting any improvements.

the Age of the Orc truly began in the year of our lord 2004 and continues to this day...
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Singha wrote: rabbits, squirrels and other gentle creatures were rounded up and roasted on open flames. the forest fell into sickness and the dark miasma of The Necromancer hangs over it now.
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The consolidation of the OBC vote is no longer ignorable... except in Dilli media tv studios of course...

And yes, there's no modi effect or wave or whatever. Here's exhibit 1 of evidence:

Poll jolt: Post defeat, Mulayam dissolves Delhi, MP units of Samajwadi Party
LUCKNOW: Samajwadi Party (SP) not only failed to retain its lone assembly seats in Rajasthan (Rajgarh Laxmangarh) and Madhya Pradesh (Niwari), it lost badly on the percentage of votes the party had polled in Delhi and Chattisgarh too. The results are sure to have left the party leadership more than uncomfortable as was evident from the fact that party national president Mulayam Singh Yadav dissolved the state units in Delhi and Madhya Pradesh moments after the final results were declared by the Election Commission of India (ECI) late Sunday evening.

None of the senior leaders, including national president Mulayam Singh Yadav, chief minister Akhilesh Yadav or even the spokesperson of the party's national unit and sitting MP Ram Gopal Yadav, was available for comment. Sitting SP MP Naresh Agarwal, who has a comment on almost everything that happens in the region, was not accessible either. Though all four leaders were present in Delhi on Sunday, no statements were issued by any of the four leaders till late night. Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav flew back to the state capital in the night.
Of course, the knives are out since defeat is an orphan onlee...
State unit spokesperson and minister for prison in Akhilesh cabinet Rajendra Chaudhary described the results as a set back for the "secular political forces" in the country, senior minister in UP government Mohammed Azam Khan described the "pathetic performance" of the Congress as a consequence of Rahul Gandhi's "Badtameezi" (arrogance).
The large-scale moving away from narrowly sub-caste-identity based politics has to be seen to be believed in a large, poor, northern state like Rajasthan
In 2008, the SP had contested on 64 seats in Rajasthan where and its Rajgarh-Laxmangarh candidate Surajbhan Dhaka had secured a place in the state assembly. The party had then got .76 per cent of the total votes polled in the constituencies in which it had contested from. This time the party not only failed to retain the seat with the sitting MLA Surajbhan Danka finishing a close second, but also lost on the vote share securing only .396 percent of the votes polled in constituencies from where it had contested.

Madhya Pradesh was no different compared to 2008 where the party had secured the Niwari seat and polled 1.99 per cent of the votes polled in 187 constituencies that SP had contested from. This time the SP contested on 50 seats but failed to retain Niwari seat from where Meera Deepak Yadav, wife of a sitting SP MLA from UP, was in the fray. She stood second with 33,186 votes and was defeated by her nearest rival Anil Jain of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) by a margin of 27,209 votes.

Samajwadi Party was banking on its traditional support base of Other Backward Classes and Muslims and had hoped to win at least seven seats in Delhi. It had fielded candidates in 27 of the 70 seats. In Madhya Pradesh, UP chief minister Akhilesh Yadav went out canvassing for the party and addressing rallies to garner support but nothing worked.
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Narendra Modi ‏@narendramodi 3h

Wishing UPA Chairperson Smt. Sonia Gandhi on her birthday. I pray for her long and healthy life.
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Pranav wrote:
RajeshA wrote: The whole #7M_CONgress alliance of Mullahs, Missionaries, Maoists, Macaulayites, Media, MNCs and Mafia can all go to safety using AAP. Dumping the dynasty and its close coterie may be a small price to pay.
BJP could easily get cheap popularity by supporting Jan-Lokpal. But they have taken upon themselves the noble task of fighting it. Surely BJP will be willing to sacrifice power and to go down fighting against Jan-Lokpal.
The real question is how is another new post going to solve corruption issue? What if Lokpal becomes corrupt? Lokpal is not God/Goddess who is supposed to be incorruptible.

Anyway, RSS did support the anti-corruption movement. And then BR and Anna went their ways. Then, Fordriwal split from the Anna camp and formed a new party. The party is filled with naxal sympathizers who want Kashmir to be independent. Fordriwal himself meets a mullah who is champion of illegal B-dheshi immigrant influx. And of course there are allegations of shady foreign funding.

So,

Pros of Fordriwal:
Supports Lokpal which he claims will solve the corruption.

Cons of Fordriwal:
Supports Kashmir Independence.
Naxal Sympathiser.
Supports muslim appeasement.
Supports B-dheshi illegal immigration.
Dubious funding by foreign orgs.

I think there seem to be more cons than pros.
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+108

To add to his Cons,

- Hazrat Kejri has a Quid pro quo agreement with CongI mafia. The contours of it (which are not in the open) can range from stinking worst to "beyond the point of recovery".

He is India's equivalent to IM the Dim and his Taliban pasand Tehreek-e-insaf (espousing similar half baked yet aam crowd pulling ideas on serious issues like Taleban , terrorism etc) propped up in Pakistan as a turd alternative to the two established.

In paki rugseller case, having three rugsellers(instead of original two) made haggling a lower than dump price all the more easy for massa.
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If it is not too much work, can someone compile evidence on these:
Cons of Fordriwal:
Supports Kashmir Independence.
Naxal Sympathiser.
Supports muslim appeasement.
Supports B-dheshi illegal immigration.
Dubious funding by foreign orgs.

I need to send it to a supporter who is mulling sending money to AAP.
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nageshks wrote:As for Kirori Lal Meena, he used to contest from Todabhim near Dholpur. Why did hs change his constituency?
Perhaps he thought it was an easy shot.
Who would vote for a women in the tribal area dominated by Meenas, other SC STs and Muslims?
The first two were considered a property of the Meena leader, while the Muslims votes were feared to be going to Danish Abrar Ahmed.
He might have thought that the votes he couldn't cater, will mostly divide among Diya and Danish.
For the princess, winning in the midst of all this, is a feat IMO.
But how much she does for the area is yet to be seen.
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Virendra wrote:For the princess, winning in the midst of all this, is a feat IMO.
But how much she does for the area is yet to be seen.
It is really a feat!

I think under the guidance of Modi, BJP states would now be seeing a departure from "chalta hai" attitude with 70% politics, 15% corruption and 15% development. I think it is going to change to 30% politics, 5% corruption and 65% development.

In the next 5 years one can expect high agricultural produce, waterways linking, road infrastructure, 24x7 electricity, toilets, and streamlined citizen services for all regions of the state.

MP, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh and Goa are up for coordinated and technology and investment driven development and Modi would be overseeing this drive personally.
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archan wrote:I need to send it to a supporter who is mulling sending money to AAP.
Allow him to send money and then have fun watching him get his hands burned. There is no lesson better than money down the drain which will happen eventually. After that you can play the knight in shining armour and save his soul.

BRF needs to get less panicky about (P)AAP.
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Suraj wrote: India lost a great political alternative when Rajaji's Swatantra Party was strangled and later dissolved into the anti-Congress alliance of the mid 70s. It would great if BJP can completely take over the economic framework that party espoused.
Apparently somebody tried to register or re-register the party name and revive it but the Election Commission told them that unless you have Socialist in their charter, the party cannot be registered. Read it somewhere, so TIFWIW.
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archan wrote:If it is not too much work, can someone compile evidence on these:
Cons of Fordriwal:
Supports Kashmir Independence.
Naxal Sympathiser.
Supports muslim appeasement.
Supports B-dheshi illegal immigration.
Dubious funding by foreign orgs.

I need to send it to a supporter who is mulling sending money to AAP.
kashmir : prashant bhushan spouting pakistani stand on k : http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2013 ... han-41.asp

choice snippets :
noted Supreme Court lawyer Prashant Bhushan Tuesday said “no Kashmiri is safe in any part of India as communal forces are ruling the country.”
In Kashmir, Army is responsible for suppression while in India communal forces including extremist Hindu outfits are busy in terrorizing Kashmiri people who manger their affairs in different parts of the country. How can you expect that a Kashmiri is safe in India when police can do an encounter of anybody, even an Indian, in any part of the country,” Bhushan told local news gathering agency CNS, adding that the execution of Afzal Guru “brought disrepute to India.”
supports islamic extremists and terrorists :
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... jriwal-aap
Taslima slams Kejriwal for feelers to maulana behind beheading fatwa
so kejriwal supports beheading people who criticize backward practices in islamic societies.

supports the batla house terrorists from IM (who were responsible for delhi blasts that killed more than 30)
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 950895.ece
Kejriwal justifies demand for probe into Batla House encounter
Mohammad Ali

Days after he termed the Batla House encounter “fake”, Aam Aadmi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal on Wednesday rejected the allegation of “appeasing Muslims” and has justified demands for an impartial inquiry into the shootout between Special Cell personnel and alleged terrorists.
NAC members who are all loony left part of his support group.

please add other points.

p.s. most importantly, the RTI act that he claims credit for, was actually a bill passed during NDA era (freedom of information act 2002). they just renamed it.
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Suraj wrote: India lost a great political alternative when Rajaji's Swatantra Party was strangled and later dissolved into the anti-Congress alliance of the mid 70s. It would great if BJP can completely take over the economic framework that party espoused.

the party was ahead of its times..The difficulties faced by it are imaginable. they won 44 seats in Lok sabha once..but were viewed as a party of wealthy industrialists,zamindars and royalty...the general public discourse was against these.there was not a single hindi movie in those days in which the rich industrialist as a protagonist...but scores of movies in which they were portrayed as villains...and the protagonist in these movies were often trade union leaders.

in those days a pro-business party would have found it difficult to gain too many seats.


one of the reason why Modi is likely to succeed this time is that the present situation allows him to succeed...
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Archan ji

The most difficult to prove is the financial thing except in circumstantial manner. Unfortunately that means that virtually nobody outside the commercial and babulog are going to understand what is happening it. Though I do not believe its going to help you in any way but here's my case.


The wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_lokpal ... _Bill_2011
Team Anna rejected the proposed bill describing it as "anti-people and dangerous" even before the Lok Sabha gave its assent. The key notes Team Anna made about rejection were:
Government will have all the control over Lokpal as it will have powers to appoint and remove members at its will.
Only 10 per cent political leaders are covered by this Bill
Bill was also covering temples, mosques and churches
Bill was offering favor to corruption accused by offering them free lawyer service.
Bill was also unclear about handling corruption within Lokpal office.
Only five per cent of employees are in its ambit, as Class C & D officers were not included.
Mind you nearly 2 billion USD are flowing in every year in religious donations. What use is it put to is anybodies guess since no end user certifications and physical verifications are done and only about 50% file their returns that too based only on self assessment basis. And nobody is talking about this national security issue.

Also this link says
http://www.annahazare.org/pdf/Jan%20lok ... 0(Eng).pdf
35. This Act shall override the provisions of all other laws.
&
5. A selection committee consisting of the following shall be set up:
a. The Chairpersons of both Houses of Parliament
b. Two senior most judges of Supreme Court
c. Two senior most Chief Justices of High Courts.
d. All Nobel Laureates of Indian Origin
e. Chairperson of National Human Rights Commission
f. Last two Magsaysay Award winners of Indian origin
g. Comptroller and Auditor General of India
h. Chief Election Commissioner
i. Bharat Ratna Award winners
j. After the first set of selection process, the outgoing members and Chairperson of Lokpal.
Also you will notice that the donations being taken were on a self declaration basis and you could only see your own donation not that of others. Sub Swamy actually quoted a case of an NRI who donated 500 bucks with wrong credentials (passport no etc) and all is accepted.


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Also something I picked on the net about Binayak Sen.
Manekshaw Paper no. 35, 2012

CENTRE FOR LAND WARFARE STUDIES – CLAWS - New Delhi [Editor-in-Chief
: Maj Gen Dhruv C katoch (retd)] & KW Publishers Pvt Ltd - New Delhi

Title : People’s Liberation Guerrilla Army of CPI (Maoist) By
Rishi Chhikara

“The issue of Binayak Sen has severely dented the resolve to fight the Maoists. The Centre could perhaps have avoided naming a person convicted by the high court for life imprisonment as an advisory member in the Planning Commission with respect to health issues. This action indicates a rift between the Centre and the state government which belong to rival political parties. It would be essential to get both the media and the intelligentsia to support the fight against the CPI (Maoist). That would remain a challenge for the government. The key issue would be to deny space to the Maoists which they have expropriated for themselves in the garb of supporting social issues.”..
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Have been speaking with active AAP supporters of this elections. One guy indicated that Janlokpal bill is the first line of attack for them to go national. And these guys just would not commit on anything. JLP for them is only the start. I fail to understand how that kind of attitude will help except with the most unreasonable. I mean AAP has a political investment in it. Anna ji has an emotional investment in it. People also have an emotional investment in it.

Anyhow does anybody have the definitive JLP draft by Kejriwal. Seems like they do not have it on their site. I also want to read what he has to say. Chanced upon the following draft but not sure if this is the one being passed by AK on December 29 at Ramlila Grounds.

http://www.annahazare.org/pdf/Jan%20lok ... 0(Eng).pdf

There is actually more but then a non-BRF member will simply not listen. They think this is all a ploy to pull down an honest man like AK who also has public support. And well who can argue with public support hain ji.
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Meanwhile. for the naysayer tv studio crowd out to deny the NM effect...
Rajasthan poll results: Vasundhara Raje says Modi has big hand in BJP's win
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tl;dr: There is no Modi wave, no matter what BJP leaders,supporters and voters say.
blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013/12/09/why-narendra-modi-has-a-lot-to-be-thankful-for/

Why Modi Has a Lot to Be Thankful For
by NIHARIKA MANDHANA, blogs.wsj.com
December 9th 2013 3:52 PM

As the Bharatiya Janata Party surveys its electoral trophies – outright wins in three states and the most seats in Delhi – many of the victors have attributed part of their success to one man: Narendra Modi.

The impact of the party’s prime ministerial candidate and election campaign chief on local elections is being attributed to a so-called “Modi Wave” generated by months of campaign rallying and an aggressive social media strategy.

On Sunday, the party’s chief campaigners in Rajasthan and Delhi were both quick to credit Mr. Modi for their wins.

Vasundhara Raje, the BJP’s chief ministerial candidate in Rajasthan, said Mr. Modi’s model of governance in Gujarat, where he is currently serving his fourth term as chief minister, resonated with voters in her state, who she said had grown weary of the Congress’s policies. Harsh Vardhan, who led the BJP in Delhi, attributed his party’s success to a “combination of factors, including Mr. Modi’s campaign.”

But how much should Mr. Modi be returning the thanks? A lot, say analysts who argue that the fillip produced by momentous wins at the state level will enhance party morale nationally much more than a barn-storming rally by Mr. Modi. The politician has tracked across the country in recent months delivering his message of good governance and economic growth and steering clear of controversial issues such as communal tensions that have dogged his political reputation for over a decade.

Sunday’s poll outcomes were driven predominantly by local factors and less by a referendum on Mr. Modi. In Madhya Pradesh, the BJP bagged a third consecutive term largely on the back of its diligent chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan’s development record in the impoverished state. The local Congress party, riddled by internal divisions, was late launching its star campaigner, Jyotiraditya Scindia.

In Chhattisgarh, too, BJP chief minister Raman Singh scraped through on his reputation as a growth-oriented leader and the champion of a transparent food distribution system that provides cheap grain to nearly all its people and has reduced leakages. In fact, Congress came close to winning owing largely to a sympathy vote following the fatal attack on a convoy of its members and leaders by Maoists in the state in May.

In Rajasthan, the BJP’s landslide was a vote for its charismatic chief ministerial candidate, Ms. Raje, and against an underwhelming term by Congress’s Ashok Gehlot, whose last-minute attempts to dish out pre-election freebies didn’t yield results.

The outcomes may not have been the direct result of Mr. Modi’s influence, but they will benefit him directly, according to political watchers. “A sense may build up that the BJP and Modi are inevitable,” said political analyst E. Sridharan.

The results provided evidence of a long-creeping suspicion about an anti-Congress sentiment in India, giving Mr. Modi perfect fodder for combative speech-making in the coming months, analysts said.

Congress’s defeat will also impact morale in both parties, particularly since three out of the four state polls were one-on-one face-offs between the national rivals. On Sunday, Mr. Scindia, who led the Congress’s charge in Madhya Pradesh, called the results “demoralizing” for his party’s workers, and questions are raised over the Congress leadership’s failures.

“The BJP will go into national elections jubilant and the Congress downbeat,” said political analyst Ashok Malik. “Modi’s rallies so far were having an incremental impact, but this a major fillip.”

It’s recent successes may also help the BJP surmount a hurdle many had predicted would script the party’s failure: winning over allies. A few months ago, Mr. Modi’s candidature raised fears even within his own party that his polarizing image would repel regional allies, crucial in India’s coalition politics where no single party can hope to win a majority. One major partner, the Janata Dal (United), severed longstanding ties with the BJP in June over the issue.

Political ideology will still prevent some regional players from shaking hands with the Hindu nationalist BJP, but analysts say many will now gravitate toward the party, or at least revisit their reservations, as they grow wary of linking-up with the seemingly declining Congress.

“These results are sending out a message that despite his shortcomings, Modi has the ability to maximize the BJP’s potential,” Mr. Malik said. “And politics is about winning.”

For sure, analysts acknowledge, Mr. Modi played a part in his party’s success. Issues such as corruption, development, rising prices and leadership at the local level intersected with national causes that are at the center of Mr. Modi’s campaign. “It cannot be denied that a few months before national elections, Mr. Modi’s message played on the minds of voters,” said Nirmala Sitharaman, a spokeswoman for the BJP said.

Perhaps the biggest contribution Mr. Modi made to Sunday’s results, said Shekhar Gupta, an India journalist and commentator, was that he galvanized the party and helped local leaders overcome internal differences, which, in the past, have dashed the BJP’s prospects.
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tl;dr: It would be a Modi wave only if Modi wins Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Only credit Modi when BJP loses, not when BJP wipes out Cong.
zeenews.india.com/news/nation/no-indication-of-modi-wave-in-assembly-results-us-experts_895410.html

No indication of `Modi wave` in Assembly results: US experts
zeenews.india.com | Dec 9th 2013 3:52 PM
Washington: The results in four Assembly polls in India have given the opposition BJP the necessary momentum ahead of the general elections, but there is neither an indication of a 'Narendra Modi wave' nor a guarantee of a similar performance next year, experts have said.

Giving due credit to its emphatic victories in Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh and in Delhi, where the Aam Aadmi Party's performance has surprised many, these experts, who are closely following the Indian elections, concluded that the Modi factor is not the only reason for the BJP doing well.
"The BJP has always been competitive in these states, evidenced by roughly similar results in 2003. The bigger test of a wave is whether the BJP can win Lok Sabha seats from Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal and Kerala. The BJP won just one total Parliament seat from these states in the last two elections," said Richard M Rossow, Director for South Asia, McLarty Associates.

In recent months, both the Congress leader Rahul Gandhi and the BJP's prime ministerial candidate Modi visited these states over a dozen times each.

"While everyone has an opinion, there is no empirical evidence to prove whether either leader caused a wave in a direction," he argued.

However, Sadanand Dhume, of the American Enterprise Institute, argued that Modi passed his first big test after being declared as the prime ministerial candidate. "While it's hard to quantify exactly how much Modi contributed to the BJP's strong showing it's clear that Modi has energized the BJP," he said.

Although the recent state elections have been billed as a "semi-final" for the 2014 elections, one should keep in mind that the scope of these elections is limited to four states in the Hindi heartland where the BJP has historically had a strong presence, observed Milan Vaishnav, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The prestigious American think-tank has launched a 'India Decides 2014' on its website, which keeps a close tab on the developments in India ahead of the 2014 elections.

"BJP's strong performance gives it unquestionable momentum heading into 2014. Even though Delhi remains a question mark, the BJP's sweeping victories in Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan will give it a leg up as it builds its case nationally," Vaishnav said.

The BJP triumphs also allows Modi to consolidate his position within the party, he said.

"As the effective leader of the party, Modi will undoubtedly receive the credit for the BJP victories. But the Modi factor is not the principal reason the BJP fared well in these elections. The BJP's success is due to local factors, including the fact that it had strong chief ministerial candidates," Vaishnav explained.
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US experts - talk about MSM desparation. :rotfl:

Their denial is awesome. It means they will be in denial even as the effects add up and wont take proactive measures to counter it.
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a request please do not post trash articles in full onree link plus description
see saar many a times moi and am sure there are others peruse from piddly phone
a pain in the aarse reading and triple pain in the aarse when in the end it is just trash
trust me moi have trust in brfities judgment hence your thoughts and links please.
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niran wrote:a request please do not post trash articles in full onree link plus description
see saar many a times moi and am sure there are others peruse from piddly phone
a pain in the aarse reading and triple pain in the aarse when in the end it is just trash
trust me moi have trust in brfities judgment hence your thoughts and links please.
Sorry Niran ji :oops:
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... ain-riedel

Managing Crisis in South Asia: Avoiding Armageddon Again
by Bruce Riedel, brookings.edu
November 19th 2013

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America’s relationship with India’s current government is much healthier; Obama had a useful summit with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the early fall, and while no major initiatives were announced, bilateral ties are strong and vibrant.

However, the leader of the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its prime ministerial candidate for next year’s election, Narendra Modi, is not welcome in America, as his visa application in 2005 was denied and his previous visa was annulled. Though Mr. Modi is a controversial figure, the U.S. government needs to bring him to the table as a potential player if it is serious about maintaining stability in South Asia. If the U.S. government can grant a visa to Pervez Musharraf (who overthrew a democratically elected Prime Minister in 1999 and stands accused of complicity in the murder of Pakistan’s former Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto), it can certainly talk to Mr. Modi as well. President Clinton had a productive visit to India while the BJP was in power, and the State Department should reach out to the party leadership now, instead of waiting for a crisis or for Mr. Modi to win the election.

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nageshks wrote:Folks - based on yesterday's Delhi polls, I threw together an awk script to check votes of the different parties in the 7 Lok Sabha constituencies in New Delhi. I just wanted to see what yesterday's poll means for the BJP in the coming Lok Sabha elections. If things remain as they are, the BJP should win 5 of the 7 Lok Sabha constituencies (North East Delhi, East Delhi, North West Delhi, West Delhi, and South Delhi) without too much trouble. It will have a very hard fight in one constituency (Chandni Chowk), and will lose one constituency to the AAP (New Delhi). My analyses for the 7 seats are below:
I am tweeting this. Thanks.
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The theory regarding muslims vote tactically to defeat bjp is proved once again in delhi. Delhi was in full anti incumbency mode, bjp was projecting a clean CM and has little to do with modi - the Saffron Terrorist - except both represent same party, delhi bjp has no past record of anti muslim activity. YET they voted tactically against bjp. Wherever AAP was winning they voted for AAP. Wherever the big-bad cong was winning they voted for them. In fact 5 out of 8 winners of cong are muslims and come from muslim dominated constituency. Now there is no point in believing that they will be charmed by good governance model of modi and vote for him in GE. If anything, they will become more committed to defeat him. Apparently they don't want development. They just want appeasement. All the "mithi mithi batein" from maulvis not withstanding.

Now best strategy for bjp would be to somehow confuse muslims in deciding whom to vote for in order to defeat bjp.
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ROTFL - long term threat, but short term seems that Modi/Jaitley decision is the right one! Suddenly talk of LS electioneering hits reality. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Firstpost Politics Delhi live: Responsibility put on me is scary, admits Kejriwal by Ayeshea Perera 9 mins ago #Aam Aadmi Party #AAP #alliance #Arvind Kejriwal #BJP #Congress #Delhi Election 2013 #Exit poll #Harsh Vardhan #India #Politics #Sheila Dikshit inShare 1823 CommentsEmailPrint 5.00 pm: The responsibilities now are scary, admits Kejriwal

And finally, Kejriwal admits that the responsibilities and expectations on him and his one-year-old party are frightening. "Once a rickshawala gave me all the money he had for our movement. This responsibility is scary. I am not scared about being not successful, but I am scared of making mistakes", he candidly told CNN-IBN.
Speaking to CNN-IBN, Kejriwal confirmed that he did want to contest Lok Sabha elections, although he did not know when and how. "I appeal to all those who want honest politics in this country to come together", he said, adding that India deserved better.
Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/delhi ... ef_article
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kapilrdave wrote:The theory regarding muslims vote tactically to defeat bjp is proved once again in delhi. Delhi was in full anti incumbency mode, bjp was projecting a clean CM and has little to do with modi - the Saffron Terrorist - except both represent same party, delhi bjp has no past record of anti muslim activity. YET they voted tactically against bjp. Wherever AAP was winning they voted for AAP. Wherever the big-bad cong was winning they voted for them. In fact 5 out of 8 winners of cong are muslims and come from muslim dominated constituency. Now there is no point in believing that they will be charmed by good governance model of modi and vote for him in GE. If anything, they will become more committed to defeat him. Apparently they don't want development. They just want appeasement. All the "mithi mithi batein" from maulvis not withstanding.

Now best strategy for bjp would be to somehow confuse muslims in deciding whom to vote for in order to defeat bjp.
Correct. The conclusions are obvious.. dont count on the IM vote at all, yet keep a moderate line and sway some of the fence sitting hindu liberals etc.
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I've started a blog now and put "Conspiracy Theory" as a blog post titled "Sonia's Retirement Plan".

I've also put out a few tweets on it as well. [1] [2] [3]

What I am hoping to achieve is that Arvind Kejriwal is exposed, and the Congress workers and leaders themselves lose faith in Sonia Gandhi as someone with Congress's interests at heart.

If the message can be put out effectively right now in the aftermath of these state elections then Congress would be dumping the dynasty ASAP.

So please retweet the tweets and share with others through other means as well!
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BTW just check how biased the FP dorkette Ayeshea whatever is when writing on AAP, the new great white hope of our liberal MSM.

" Firstpost Politics Delhi live:
4.45 pm: 'I am here to change the political process, not get tangled in political power' In an interview with CNN-IBN's Rajdeep Sardesai, Kejriwal has once again categorically refused to take any proactive steps to form the government in Delhi. "BJP and Congress are both sides of the same coin", he said, adding that the BJP and the Congress also had a responsibility. "Why are they subjecting the people of Delhi to another election? Why can't they form a government together? As it is they secretly meet each other, they are great friends, they do corruption together", he said. (To be fair to Kejriwal, these are allegations that even pro BJP columnist Swapan Dasgupta has often said).
To be fair to Kejriwal even as he is being anarchist.. why contend for power unless you wish to exercise it? Hypocrite.

as versus..
BJP leader Arun Jaitley has said that it is up to Congress to support the Aam Aadmi Party and form the government in Delhi. Jaitley who has been stubbornly insisting that AAP should form the government instead of 'being a party of trouble makers', said that "the Aam Aadmi party keep leading people up the garden path, but don't want to take responsibility" in an interview with the Times Now channel
Ooh Jaitley is being stubborn...

The dorkette doesnt even bother hiding her bias.
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RajeshA wrote:Conspiracy Theory

I'm trying to get an air-balloon vantage point view of what's going on.

Today was my day to cook! So while I was peeling onions, I had a moment of clarity on the political going-ons in India.

Now I am sure Arvind Kejriwal is Sonia Gandhi's & Family's parachute.

Sit back and think! Why would Sonia Gandhi write a letter to Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh that Arvind Kejriwal should not be transferred out of his post in Delhi! Meenakshi Lekhi had disclosed this on a TV debate on Times Now to prove that AAP is Congress's B Team?

We have a dynasty ruling Congress and the country, so what is their plan? How long do they want to rule? Can they rule so long? How long would the Indians buy into the charisma of the dynasty? In the meantime, after 5 generations at the top, the pull would have to become weak. Blood would become less "pure"! So at some point the dynasty has to say, "That's it. Our time has come to walk into the sunset".

Sonia Gandhi is an Italian. Living in comfort at 10 Janpath, may be she can forget that she is in India and not in some Italian villa. But can she remain there indefinitely? She has seen enough, had enough of Indian politics. One hears her health is not the best, and she has been trying to leave most of the responsibilities to her Rahul Gandhi. So what is the retirement package. Of course it is to return to her home: Italy. Do you see any Italians in India, i.e. except for the family members from Italy who stay ensconced at her place? There are loads of Indians whose languages, accents, smells she doesn't understand or appreciate but has to go through her "responsibilities" and tolerate them. But she does want to return to Bella Italia! When will the Party let her go?! I mean she has used up all her credits of "Bahu" and has used the time well to partake in the gravy train and surely siphoned off much of the money from corruption to some banks in Europe - Switzerland, Vatican Bank, who knows where? She could imagine, that she has had her fill, and she has done her duty to the Church and her influential friends. She opened the doors of India to Church. She filled their treasure chest. What must she do more? It's time to retire! But how? How can Sonia Gandhi retire with her family, move back to Italy, and be done with her "incarceration" in India which she suffered without protest?!

Congress needs her and wouldn't let her go! If she allows another hostile party to come to power in India then they would go after her and all her corruption and her children.

What she wants is that Congress lets her go and the next party in power does not go after her. She is in the same position as United States in Afghanistan. She needs a safe exit!

We don't think about it this much because nobody thinks somebody would freely want to give up power! But she has had her fill of power. No she wants a nice retirement with lots of money and her children in safety.

So what would she be doing?

She would want to set up a second subsidiary and let the second subsidiary cannibalize the parent corporation to get strong quickly. This is where Arvind Kejriwal and Aam Aadmi Party comes in. She may have her behind the curtain control over AAP through financiers, crime records, foreign partners, etc. It is better to control things from the background.

So what better way to steal billions! Do maximum robbery, maximum corruption and then use the anti-corruption plank to target oneself through a party you control completely. What better way to give credibility and legitimacy to the new subsidiary? Some say British did the same thing when leaving India.... and it worked.

So should AAP come to power, nobody would be suspicious about the way and on whom they try to pin blame of corruption. Bofors investigation still has not moved forwards.

So the trick is to make the transfer of power credible and shift one's vote-banks on to the subsidiary without spoiling the semblance of enmity and opposition. Once Congress people start losing, they too would not want to retain Sonia Gandhi and her family. Then she is free to go. Rahul Gandhi goes around town and makes a fool of himself. Are we supposed to believe that he is indeed such a fool or that Mommy would let the world see what kind of fool her son is? I am not convinced. In fact by letting Vadra do maximum corruption himself, she has made her daughter also somebody the party may not consider worthy, though there are enough pujaris of the family!

In fact Robert Vadra is there to serve as a reason why Priyanka Gandhi Vadra should not be pulled in into politics. And who brings out the sordid details on Vadra to the forefront - Arvind Kejriwal of course.

Plan was to use the parachute in 2014 itself. Make Rahul too stupid to be PM candidate. Make Priyanka too close to corruption. Make Sonia too old, sick and loser for Congress to want any longer. The parachute was ready. Phir Modi tapak parhe or parachute phaarh diya!

Sonia wants to leave behind a mix bag of states where EvanJihadism can continue uninterrupted - Chhattisgarh, Andhra, Karnataka, Odisha, etc, and the Center under Arvind Kejriwal or some other puppet doesn't do much about it.

Sonia Gandhi does not really care about any Congress "leaders" and their fate in India. They are all expendable. Be it Sheila Dixit, or Kiran Kumar Reddy or somebody else. In fact, central leaders did not even bother to campaign for Sheila Dixit. Giving over Delhi to Aam Aadmi Party was the deal. MSM was fully used to give coverage to Arvind Kejriwal. In fact Arvind Kejriwal in these elections itself started plundering Congress votebanks, and Congress did not go after him in any serious way. This was part of the process of votebank transfer.

Sonia Gandhi has done maximum corruption and used her crime as food to feed her own puppy and make him strong.

Getting rid of the dynasty is not the big issue here. The dynasty wants to escape. They are overseeing a controlled suicide.

They are in fact even willing to burn India a bit so that next governments would be busy controlling the fires rather than going after them.

The main issue is to not let the secular demon pass on into another body wearing white robes of anti-corruption. The demon has to be finished in the body it occupies right now. It has taken well over 66 years to corner it. We should not let it escape now to come back and haunt us for another 66 years.

Thanks for the patience. :)
Here is the prelude to this story - slightly dated though..

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 68#p784268

Atri wrote:The biggest stake holders in India is the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty. The modern Republic of India, however it is, is mostly built by Indian National Congress (INC). So, they have plenty of invested interests and efforts and money and memories in this country.

This dynasty will do anything to maintain its interests, which is whole nation. The dynasty won't do anything which will compromise their position of power in independent India. According to Newton's first law of motion, An object continues to be in state of rest or uniform motion unless acted upon by some unbalanced force. Here, the object is India under dynasty. The dynasty will move in the direction of the force which overcomes the equilibrium of competing forces. This applies to internal forces like Hindutva and Naxalism as well as external forces like interests of USA, Russia, China, Evangelical forces and Jihadi Islamism. The dynasty will compromise anything to maintain a strong presence in India's power circle. Dynasty is typically a status-quo loving entity, especially in post Indira Gandhi era. In case when they are in power, they try to consolidate their power without trying to be intrepid and doing things out of the way. They show typical behaviour of North Indian power Satrap described in this article.

PVNR-Manmohan Singh jodi (liberalization-1991) and Vajpayee (nuclear tests-1998) provided the radical internal unbalancing forces which dramatically changed the trajectory of India. Now that the trajectory is fixed, the dynasty, whenever in power, will do anything to ensure that the new trajectory remains unchanged. I am glad that communists never got such a chance to introduce a defining change in trajectory of India.

Now, it is alleged that Gandhi dynasty have been increasingly acting as puppets of foreign powers since the death of Indira Gandhi. Recently, a lawsuite for $ 100 million was filed by Indian National Overseas Congress on few Hindu leaders in New-york supreme court against defamation of Sonia Gandhi.
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http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14654132

$100m lawsuit against US Hindu leaders New York: New York-based Indian National Overseas Congress Inc (INOC) has filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court of the State of New York for $100 million against three prominent Hindu activists Narain Kataria, Arish Sahani and Bharat Barai for allegedly defaming UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi by releasing a full page advertisement in The New York Times during her October visit to the US. The plaintiff Dr Surinder Malhotra, Chief Executive Officer of INOC states in the complaint in New York Supreme court that false statements had been made in the advertisement about his boss Sonia Gandhi and her son Rahul Gandhi in The New York Times dated October 6. INOC has hired a law firm which had represented Ariel Sharon of Israel against Time magazine.
Apparently this lawsuite was defeated in the court. This proves that courts did not find the lawsuite holding any weightage. Which inturns leads us to speculation that the allegations made by them against Sonia might be true.

In case, we assume that external agencies have invested a lot INC and Gandhi dynasty and that they are at the best influenced by foreign agents or at the worst have become puppets of external forces, this leads us nowhere. What matters is, if there is some iota of truth in this hypothesis, what next?Because, Gandhi dynasty has returned to power in general elections 2009 with conclusive defeat of both BJP and more importantly, Communists. Now that they are back to the position of supreme power yet again, how will their behavior be, with respect to their alleged foreign string-holders.

For this, we have to look into the history of Gandhi dynasty and then speculate the reasons why this has been.

It was most probably after assassination of Indira Gandhi, when Rajiv Gandhi was forced into politics out of his peaceful life. It has been a fight for survival for Rajmata and her kids since then. The complex geopolitical factors caused death of her husband as well. After assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, she went into complete oblivion and took herself and her children away from Indian political scenario.

For some reasons, she entered national political scene. The probable reasons are
1. Increasing clout of BJP and Vajpayee.
2. Need of INC to invoke the name of Gandhi dynasty to maintain their political presence and power.

Hence she was urged to enter active politics. Why did Sonia Gandhi accept this offer is the biggest enigma. She knew what mess she was getting into. But, perhaps meanwhile she had renewed the old contacts and built some new ones (both internal and external) which became the powerful friends of her dynasty. Without this support and insurance, she would never have entered the power-mess of Indian politics which was experiencing a major shift away from INC and towards BJP and Hindutva.

Once she entered the political scenario of India, the magic of her dynasty slowly started working. The old Indira - designed system was renewed and old investments, political apointees were called upon to do the bidding of the dynasty. This coupled with India-Shining Fiasco of Vajpayee govt, led to INC and hence gandhi dynasty coming back to power in 2004, although, with the help of communists.

Last 5 years have been interesting to observe. The drastic changes in geopolitics of globe and region have started to force upon the dynasty to execute certain steps which will bring India strategically away from communism and socialism. The Indian Chanakyas in Ministry of External Affairs and other ministries must have seen this as an opportunity to increase the clout of India as well earn some money. It is the "Ganga Beh rahi hain, haath dho lo"attitude which was displayed by MMS during the entire Indo-US nuke deal process. MMS govt showed the shrewdness of an attractive girl flirting with 2-3 boyfriends simultaneously and extracting things which she perceives as goodies. The results in 2009 General elections have shown that Sonia Gandhi and Gandhi Dynasty is at the zenith of her power and she is as safe as she can ever be along with all her political investments.

The point now is, how will she and hence the kids, move ahead. As I have elucidated earlier, the KGB stuff was need of Rajmata during her Vanvaas. Now that she is safely and soundly back in her palace at Indraprastha without dogged pursuit of commies, will the dynasty show the guts to slowly eliminate the foreign influences or not? This is based on initial assumption that all men of power desire more power-absolute power.

One more interesting speculation. MMS also seems to be a Mahatma Vidur. Does he have anything up his sleeve that will be a pleasant surprise?
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I have a CT:

Congress gets AAP going across India. Assassinate Modi 2-3 months before he is declared PM. AAP garners more votes. Even if it has to wait 3-4 years Congress will have ensured that it remains cocooned within AAP and AAP has greater chances of making it 1st to the finish line.
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Atri garu,

It is good to compare the two periods 2009 and 2013-14.

In the blog post, I've added a few more points. The ultimate aim is to have power without any responsibility, i.e. neither accountability nor duty. The Gandhis want to retire into the background and become invisible handlers of the political scene in India.

Sonia wants to have her own "hounds" outside Congress, either as Congress satraps or other parties or as advisers to leaders of other political parties.

She wants to be able to forge alliances at the Center and in the states from afar, even as EvanJihadis, Mullahs and Maoists ensure that more and more people go beyond the tent of Bharatiyata and thus become their puppets and vote-banks.

She wants to sit in an Italian villa and be able to control all this happening in India.

Just imagine if she can decide who forms the government, and how this government behaves with foreign governments and entities, while sitting in Italy and common Indian citizens do not even know that she still exists. That is Absolute Power in India.
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kapilrdave wrote:The theory regarding muslims vote tactically to defeat bjp is proved once again in delhi. Delhi was in full anti incumbency mode, bjp was projecting a clean CM and has little to do with modi - the Saffron Terrorist - except both represent same party, delhi bjp has no past record of anti muslim activity. YET they voted tactically against bjp. Wherever AAP was winning they voted for AAP. Wherever the big-bad cong was winning they voted for them. In fact 5 out of 8 winners of cong are muslims and come from muslim dominated constituency. Now there is no point in believing that they will be charmed by good governance model of modi and vote for him in GE. If anything, they will become more committed to defeat him. Apparently they don't want development. They just want appeasement. All the "mithi mithi batein" from maulvis not withstanding.

Now best strategy for bjp would be to somehow confuse muslims in deciding whom to vote for in order to defeat bjp.
this is going around on twitter

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^^ seems like low level INC pysops with a self made pamphlet. as if BJP would be stupid enough to do something like this. either ways AAP and INC folks in twitter will be full of outrage and ready to believe it.. 8)
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Rahul M wrote: this is going around on twitter
:shock: :shock:

So this is their next plan to tarnish bjp/modi's image.
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