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rajanb wrote:If there is no water then let them drink wine - RajanB's famous last words

rajanb wrote:

Pakistani TV presenter faces arrest warrant for duty-free wine

A Pakistani television presenter could face prison after customs seized two bottles of duty-free wine from her luggage.
An arrest warrant has reportedly been issued for Atiqa Odho after she purchased the bottles four months ago from the United Arab Emirates while on her way to Pakistan. She was briefly detained by airport security and customs on June 5 at Benazir Bhutto International Airport. Though she was released without charge, authorities were subsequently forced to take action against her when Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry retroactively picked up the offence.


She was booked under the Prohibition Order of 1979. Pakistan has been a dry country since the 1970s. (If there is no water then let them drink wine - RajanB's famous last words)

Civil Judge Rawalpindi Hamayun Pervez issued the warrant after she failed to appear in court on Tuesday to answer the offence.


Her supporters have accused the courts of targeting her for her support of Pervez Musharraf and his attempts to re-enter national politics. She has appeared on TV as the spokesman of his new party.


"When the chief justice sees Atiqa, what he really sees is Pervez Musharraf," a friend told The Independent. "And that's when he goes bonkers!" (Good grief! His eyes are as rheumy as mine. I see beauty when there is ugliness)

She is ugly. But just in case you guys want to gloat on their lack of superiority, have a look:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -wine.html

rajrang wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 63052.aspx

Imran Khan - "No power could ever control people through an army."

Imran should tell this to the Generals of TSP.

Anindya wrote:. . . Pakistanis will always remain enraptured by the culture of terrorism inherent in their society.

It is prudent for India to treat all Pakistanis as terrorists unless proved conclusively otherwise. That's why I think that the recent liberalization of visa regime for businessmen, opening of bank branches etc will only bring more misery for India.

A_Gupta wrote:Since this thread is approaching its end - it is a truism that if a woman doesn't look good in a photograph, it is the fault of the photographer.

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rajanb wrote: It is not the American armed forces which are weak (CRamS, music to your ears ) but their politcal leaders who have weakened the US.

CRamS wrote:

rajanb wrote: It is not the American armed forces which are weak (CRamS, music to your ears ) but their politcal leaders who have weakened the US.

Somebody else also seems to have pointed out that somehow its an H&D for me of all people to defend the might of US military. No, its not an H&D issue, rather, a fear and angst that US might use its might to take the path of least resistance, i.e., instead of doing the harder but right thing: bring TSP to justice, it might use its might instead to make the dhothi wallahs in Delhi to sacrifice them,selves to TSP. This is the path of least resistance and the super power US can easily bring this about. Thats what I am more worried about, not defending the H&D of US military.

CRamS wrote:
Somebody else also seems to have pointed out that somehow its an H&D for me of all people to defend the might of US military. No, its not an H&D issue, rather, a fear and angst that US might use its might to take the path of least resistance, i.e., instead of doing the harder but right thing: bring TSP to justice, it might use its might instead to make the dhothi wallahs in Delhi to sacrifice them,selves to TSP. This is the path of least resistance and the super power US can easily bring this about. Thats what I am more worried about, not defending the H&D of US military.

Rahul M wrote:call me old fashioned or whatever but continuous discussion on khar's gender is rather tasteless. so are the comments on supposed ugliness of certain paki women. c'mon, there is no need to rate every paki female whose pic appears on BR, it's irrelevant not to mention sexist. give it a break !
it ceased being funny a long time ago, when madam jalebi ruled PISS.

there's a saying in bangla, 'even lemon turns bitter if you squeeze it too much'.

CRamS wrote:Even your grand delusions on US running scared of TSP like India does makes worthy reading than this irrelevant stuff .

The message the Haqqanis are sending — to the world and, especially, to the Afghan public — is that they are willing and able to kill foreign troops. And with the Haqqani bombs comes a particularly troublesome return address: Pakistan, where the group is based

Rahul M wrote:call me old fashioned or whatever but continuous discussion on khar's gender is rather tasteless. so are the comments on supposed ugliness of certain paki women. c'mon, there is no need to rate every paki female whose pic appears on BR, it's irrelevant not to mention sexist. give it a break !
it ceased being funny a long time ago, when madam jalebi ruled PISS.

there's a saying in bangla, 'even lemon turns bitter if you squeeze it too much'.

KABUL — The Haqqani network, which Washington has blamed for a series of attacks in Afghanistan, may have been involved in a weekend bombing in Kabul that was the deadliest ground attack against Western troops in 10 years of war, officials said on Monday.

The suicide bombing on Saturday, which killed 13 foreigners, came just days before Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai and senior officials from its neighbours and its Western backers, including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, were due to meet in Istanbul to discuss regional security.

The involvement of the Haqqani group, believed by Washington to be based in the mountains of North Waziristan on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, would make the already tough task of bringing Afghanistan and its neighbors together even more difficult.

“We don’t have any information indicating a direct Haqqani link yet, but it’s very possible it is Haqqani-related,” a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Officials said that while evidence of Haqqani involvement was by no means conclusive, the style of the attack and some of the equipment used in it raised that possibility.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistani law enforcement agencies today arrested a former army commando on charges of masterminding a terrorist plot to attack the parliament, according to a media report.

Saadullah, a former member of the Special Services Group, an elite commando unit of the Pakistan Army, was arrested at Okara in Punjab province, Express News channel quoted its sources as saying.

There was no word on the development from law enforcement agencies or the military.

The plot to attack parliament and other key government buildings in Islamabad's "Red Zone", a heavily guarded area in the heart of the federal capital, was foiled by law enforcement agencies earlier this month.

Police in Islamabad arrested four suspects and seized suicide jackets, grenades and rockets.

Saadullah was arrested on the basis of information provided by these suspects, the TV channel reported.

The terrorists had planned to fire rockets at parliament and other government buildings from a forested area overlooking Islamabad.

They also planned to storm the parliament with suicide bombers, according to earlier media reports.

Several armed forces personnel have been arrested across Pakistan in the past few years on charges of involvement in terrorist plots, including two attempts on the life of former President Pervez Musharraf.

The message the Haqqanis are sending — to the world and, especially, to the Afghan public — is that they are willing and able to kill foreign troops. And with the Haqqani bombs comes a particularly troublesome return address: Pakistan, where the group is based.

One Western diplomat, speaking on the condition of anonymity under diplomatic ground rules, said it was clear that if the Haqqanis were behind the attack, the militants were reacting to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s recent trip to Pakistan. During the visit, she again demanded that the government do something about the Haqqanis, whose bases are in the Pakistani territory of North Waziristan.

A_Gupta wrote: Anyway, "dil ko dekho, chehera na dekho", and by that criteria, none of them bear good intentions for India.

Anindya wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 537413.cms

ISLAMABAD: A Hindu boy has filed a petition in a Pakistani court challenging a rule that stipulates a student must have a certificate in Islamic studies to be eligible to appear for entrance tests to medical colleges.

A division bench of the Sindh High Court admitted Sagar Ladhani's petition on Friday and provisionally allowed him to appear in an upcoming test for admission to an MBBS course. In his petition, Ladhani challenged the rule that students have to study "Islamiat" at the O-level to get an equivalence certificate from local education boards to appear in entrance tests for medical colleges

Monday, November 28, 2005

Christian student files petition against 20 marks for Hafiz-e-Quran students

LAHORE: A Christian student has filed a constitutional writ petition to the Lahore High Court (LHC) for instant action, under Section 151 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), against the policy of awarding 20 additional marks to a Muslim hafiz-e-Quran (who has learnt the Quran by heart) candidate for admission in the MBBS and others, saying that it was discrimination against minority students and a violation of fundamental rights granted by the Constitution of Pakistan.

The petition, which is the first of its kind, has demanded the LHC either abolish the policy or make a parallel policy of awarding 20 additional marks to minority students for MBBS admission on the basis of their religious knowledge/study.

Qandeel, a Christian and daughter of Benjamin Robert Sultan, filed the petition through her counsel Rana Aamir Iftikhar and Waseem Ahmed Shahzad against the King Edward Medical College principal, who is also the Admissions Board chairman, and the Punjab Health Department. She has also asked the LHC to grant her a stay and restrain the Admissions Board and Punjab government from commencing MBBS 2005-06 academic session classes in medical colleges of Punjab till the final disposal of the petition because the selection of students for admission in medical colleges had been made on basis of discrimination and ignoring the rights of the petitioner (minority representative).

The hearing of the petition is scheduled on November 28.

The petitioner’s counsel said Qandeel also had merit certificates to prove her proficiency and knowledge of Christianity and thus should be given 20 additional marks for her selection in a medical college on an open merit seat. They said the Punjab government and the admission board be ordered to make a permanent policy under the law for additional marks on equal basis to both Muslim and non-Muslim students.

Qandeel demanded the court that she be declared a selected candidate in the MBBS and be allowed to deposit admission fee.

According to documents submitted, Qandeel is a brilliant student and scored A+ and A grades in the examination under the education examination board. She scored 820 marks out of the total 1,100 in the intermediate examination (FSc) and qualified for the entry test (for admissions in MBBS/BDS) in Punjab’s medical colleges. She got a total of 77.97 percent in the final selection merit but the last seat on the open merit was given to a student with 78.51 percent marks, depriving her from admission because of a marginal difference of 0.538 percent marks. Qandeel would get admission on open merit if she were awarded 20 additional marks given to Hafiz-e-Quran candidates, her counsel said.

Qandeel, a resident of Sialkot Road, Khokherki (Gujranwala), belongs to a lower middle class family and cannot afford admission on self-finance basis. The counsel said that being a Pakistani citizen, she had the right to be treated equally and be given protection under the Constitution. The Article 25 of the Constitution ensures fairness and equality in the state’s action, so there should be an equal education policy for all citizens without discriminating them on the basis of sex, religion, creed and caste, the counsel said.

There are no reserved seats for minorities in the medical colleges of Punjab because reserved seats in these colleges have been allocated for the under-developed districts, Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Azad Jammu and Kashmir, and disabled persons.

Qandeel said that Islam taught equality and rights of minorities should be protected under Islam and the Article 36 of the Pakistan constitution, which imposed the duty to safeguard the legitimate rights and interests of minorities on the state.

Daily Times

rajrang wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 63052.aspx

Imran Khan - "No power could ever control people through an army."

Imran should tell this to the Generals of TSP.

Just a month after accusing Pakistan’s spy agency of secretly supporting the Haqqani terrorist network, which has mounted attacks on Americans, the Obama administration is now relying on the same intelligence service to help organize and kick-start reconciliation talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan.

A_Gupta wrote:Like Shiv, I purport to be puzzled:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/world ... talks.html

Just a month after accusing Pakistan’s spy agency of secretly supporting the Haqqani terrorist network, which has mounted attacks on Americans, the Obama administration is now relying on the same intelligence service to help organize and kick-start reconciliation talks aimed at ending the war in Afghanistan.

To behave like a superpower, India needs to ask the ISI to mediate between the GOI and the jihadi groups operating in J&K.

Altair wrote:

A_Gupta wrote: To behave like a superpower, India needs to ask the ISI to mediate between the GOI and the jihadi groups operating in J&K.

BRF would have burned 72 pages in 24 hours if such a thing was even contemplated by GoI. I am sure someone can bet his left testimonial that even uber-WKK MMS would not dare such an attempt.

shiv wrote:

Altair wrote: To behave like a superpower, India needs to ask the ISI to mediate between the GOI and the jihadi groups operating in J&K.

BRF would have burned 72 pages in 24 hours if such a thing was even contemplated by GoI. I am sure someone can bet his left testimonial that even uber-WKK MMS would not dare such an attempt.

Naturally. India is unable to behave like the superpower.

Altair wrote:

A_Gupta wrote: To behave like a superpower, India needs to ask the ISI to mediate between the GOI and the jihadi groups operating in J&K.

BRF would have burned 72 pages in 24 hours if such a thing was even contemplated by GoI. I am sure someone can bet his left testimonial that even uber-WKK MMS would not dare such an attempt.

shiv wrote:Naturally. India is unable to behave like the superpower.

KLNMurthy wrote:

rajrang wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 63052.aspx

Imran Khan - "No power could ever control people through an army."

Imran should tell this to the Generals of TSP.

It is actually not a true statement. Populations are subdued through force all the time.

ramana wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote: It is actually not a true statement. Populations are subdued through force all the time.

While universally true, your statement appears to support Imran Khan. Was that the intention?

Isn't it better to be quiet and not be argumentative when dealing with TSP?

Rahul M wrote:call me old fashioned or whatever but continuous discussion on khar's gender is rather tasteless. so are the comments on supposed ugliness of certain paki women. c'mon, there is no need to rate every paki female whose pic appears on BR, it's irrelevant not to mention sexist. give it a break !
it ceased being funny a long time ago, when madam jalebi ruled PISS.

there's a saying in bangla, 'even lemon turns bitter if you squeeze it too much'.

There used to be a huge North-South divide in India. It was very clear to my parents generation. Naipaul refers to it in his first India book (area of darkness). Gradually, along with secularism and the empowerment of previously weak communities, the North-South divide in India has been patched up fairly well. The North Indian calling a South Indian "Idli-Vada" or the South Indian calling the North Indian "Oy chapati!" is more of a joke than a derogatory or racist remark. However minor issues still exist on college campuses and other places. People of the North East particularly say they feel less discriminated in some parts of India than others.

It is clear from my interactions with Pakistanis that they retain a degree of color and language racism where darker and shorter people from the South or East of India are considered inferior by Pakistanis. Pakistanis nowadays tend to refer to the similarities they have with North Indians as they get their own Islamic asses buggered by their birathers in their own country.

If Pakistanis are granted free access into India and Pakistani boys and girls start entering Indian universities - what effect could this have on North South relations in India?

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ My preferred route here would be to highlight Pakistani racism as the reaction of those with a superiority complex where superiority is not borne out in reality, rather than going down the racist route too.

RajeshA wrote:

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ My preferred route here would be to highlight Pakistani racism as the reaction of those with a superiority complex where superiority is not borne out in reality, rather than going down the racist route too.

One could say, that is the defense of the weak, the inferior!

I think we should divide Indians into two vocal groups - one which says Pakistanis are inferior and another which says we should not do racial discrimination. Then we win both ways!