Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Feb 2015 13:25

No. cause H&D. A parade must be saluted while a head of state looks on. Otherwise, why start the event again after 8 years.

Like the nukular tests, sheer loss of H&D is bothering the good and the bad sharif both. If Saudi abdullah was alive, he would have come for a houbara meal in a minute.

Now, having announced the parade it is looking like the sri lanka cricket tour all over again. If you cant hold it then you will be reduced to playing afghanistan in afghanistan.

ps -- oh, hey. why not uncle kim. We want Kim! We want kim! After all he sent half of the dongs. Its only fair he gets to salute them. He is venturing out to russia sooner or later. Perfect place for him. Perfect TFTA for pakis.

partha · Post by **partha** » 07 Feb 2015 13:40

Last year when Bangladesh Cricket Board called off Pakistan tour citing security concerns, PCB begged BCB to at least send Bangladesh A team

Pakistan should try and request China to at least send personal secretary of President 11 for the military parade. If nobody agrees to come, then GHQ's Head Chaprasi, Prime Minister of Pakistan, Nawaz Shariff will have to be summoned for the parade as the chief guest.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 07 Feb 2015 13:42

They can shift GHQ to China for a day, somewhere in Xingjiang maybe. Hold the parade there. 11dingdong will be happy, bakis will be happy.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 07 Feb 2015 13:57

LokeshC wrote:They can shift GHQ to China for a day, somewhere in Xingjiang maybe. Hold the parade there. 11dingdong will be happy, bakis will be happy.

I like this idea. Puke day parade in China. Great symbol for tallel, deepel, sweetel, stlongel, sorid, bad weather friendship. Out of the box thinking - just like NaMo is thinking. Pukies will get one up on NaMo.

I recommend Newshine-e-Haidel for Lokeshullah!!!

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 07 Feb 2015 14:01

They could do out of the box thinking and invite Modi and media will go crazy calling it a master stroke.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 07 Feb 2015 14:07

And modi ji says no citing no cooperation in getting the terrorists

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Feb 2015 14:09

from twitter

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Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Feb 2015 14:10

deejay wrote:
LokeshC wrote:They can shift GHQ to China for a day, somewhere in Xingjiang maybe. Hold the parade there. 11dingdong will be happy, bakis will be happy.
I like this idea. Puke day parade in China. Great symbol for tallel, deepel, sweetel, stlongel, sorid, bad weather friendship. Out of the box thinking - just like NaMo is thinking. Pukies will get one up on NaMo.

I recommend Newshine-e-Haidel for Lokeshullah!!!

KKH is blocked, ding dongs wont go over that road even when it was good. Otherwise, they would have done it already.

ps -- newshine-e-haidal has bern awarded. but ceremony cant take place unless 11 agrees to visit. onlee tamgha-e-ghanimat can be mailed. so petition 11 if you want lokeshullah to get his medal.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 07 Feb 2015 14:17

Errr.. see:- most red tipped dingdongs mijjiles and weapons are made in China onreee. So all they need to do is carry some red and green paint which is also made in China. So all they need to do is to borrow mijjile from China and paint from China and then use it in the parade.

Now dlagon and Bakis are iron biraders, do instead of a baki regiment marching, we can have a Chinese segment marching. Therefore all they need to do is to borrow some Chinese soldiers for the parade.

Therefore only bad sharief can visit and watch the parade go by from his parrot cage (made in China)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2015 14:26

Shreeman wrote: we will see you goose steps so high, that wedgies will happen automatically to those marching.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2015 14:27

So, are the learned mullahs now coming to the conclusion that the Emperor is naked?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Feb 2015 14:32

I guess that BRF needs to have a satta thread where friendly bets can be made on the probability of Eleven attending the 23rd March parade.

I feel that there are very strong reasons for the Parade to take place and Eleven to attend.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 07 Feb 2015 14:33

Nowhere close to learned I am, but this looks like a usual case of bakis thinking emotionally and irrationally and then premature excitations of delusions follow.

They are more in a hurry to announce one up than to really try and one up. But who knows..

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Feb 2015 14:39

So I guess the China vizit by bad shareef did not compensate for Ombaba's India vizit after-all. Bakis are still searching for an adequate response.

Must have caused *a very steep* loss to the Baki H&D.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Feb 2015 14:50

^^^ The china/arabia visits by bad/good sharifs were excuses to not be around to be questioned on obama skipping pakistan. H&D.

The parade will likely happen. And it is better that it happen as slow degeneration is better than crore commandus taking matters in their own hands and declaring independent peshavarland, a new nukular power.

There will be problems, but there is likely to be a parade as well. The finance minister shows up in a week or two. That will decide matters.

Good for pakistan, and china out of another 10-20B. Invite Obama every year even if he keeps talking religion.

I give a higher likelihood to parade + ied mubaraks vs no parade. Eleven may value stability in pakistan, and one of those things parading can itself decide to join ttp suddenly. So no parade is not entirely ruled out. We will update odds.

By the way, how about Kejriwal? Could be a good track 2, and an automatic downgrade of pakistan. Kejri makes a total ass out of himself to make the moment where pakistan was degraded to ex-chief minister level unforgettable? RAA RAA only.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Feb 2015 15:16

Jhujar wrote:
SSridhar wrote: I think Pakistan still has a chance with somebody from the deserts.
If Pakipookiparade ever happen, it will Be upcoming new Caliph Erdogan taking salute and Bayyat from Miskeen Paki.

PR gets 15 more Chinese locomotives
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-17425 ... comotives-

ARACHI: The final shipment of Chinese manufactured Rail Engines arrived in Pakistan on Friday. Federal Railways Minister, Khwaja Saad Rafique says, the inclusion of the new engines will help ease the shortfall faced by Pakistan Railways.The shipment includes 2000 and 3000-horse-power engines which will be used to pull freight bogeys.Rafique told journalists, the inclusion of 15 new engines has brought Pakistan Railways total strength to 268 engines however more engines are still required.

Shreeman wrote:268 is a lot of engines. They havent had this many this millenium. Heck its doubled the railway capacity almost overnight. There will be new trains starting soon.

Shreeman Ji :

Of the 268 Locomotives at least 93 Chinese Locomotives purchased around 2002-2005 are in the Storage-Scrape Yard. This is due to the PK Railways using the Original Lubes beyond the milage at which time the Lube Oil i.e. they have not done the "Lube Service". In addition they have been "Replenishing" the Lubes with "Old and Used Lubes". The Chinese Locomotives' "Frame" suffering cracks as the Axle Weight is above the safe axle Weight of the Tracks. In addition a Number of Older Locomotives are awaiting "Spares" for a considerable period of time due to Lack of Funds.

Not being an Engineer my description above could be "Tacky & Incomplete".

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Feb 2015 15:25

LokeshC wrote:Here is an easy way for the bakis to take it to 269:
http://www.sterlingrail.com/classifieds ... p?id=12967

I am willing to ship this thing to Bakistan at the cost of about 8 million dollars.

Lokesh Ji :

No can do. US Locomotives are Standard Gauge. Cwapistan Railway has Broad Gauge.

Cheers

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Feb 2015 15:45

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 154055.cms
Pakistan, India moving towards trade liberalisation: Pakistan Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan may grant non-discriminatory market access status to India and the two countries are moving towards sealing a deal to liberalise trade, Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has said.
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"There is an incorrect perception (among many) that Most Favoured Nation means giving India extraordinary market access, which is actually not correct. That is why we decided to replace this term with NDMA," he said. {Anyone who uses the term *Most Favoured* wrt India is cutlet in Bakistan. Will good shareef survive this hanji? The new nomenclature will not fool his opponents and patriotic and pious bakis. Will it not hand the deep state driven media anal-yst another issue to clobber good shareef hanji?}
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NDMA status is essentially the same as granting Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status, which Pakistan is obliged to grant India under Islamabad's treaty obligations to the World Trade Organisation (WTO), the daily said.

The two countries became founding members of the WTO in 1995 and as part of the agreement were required to grant each other MFN status. India did so in early 1996, but Pakistan is yet to reciprocate the move.

Pakistan in the past linked the trade with the solving of political issues including Kashmir but of late there has been a change in the approach and now the country is trying to clinch a favourbale deal with India.

It is still in the discussion stage and another flip-flop can be expected anytime. BTW, which anal-yst came up with this brilliant trade off hanji? MFN for Kashmir!

Oh! BTW, good shareef might himself be pushing the tradeoff carrot rather than just the plain old MFN.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2015 16:33

Peregrine wrote:This is due to the PK Railways using the Original Lubes beyond the milage at which time the Lube Oil i.e. they have not done the "Lube Service". [/img]

Peregrine ji, I used to think that the Pakis were experts in the lube business. I am hit by cognitive dissonance now.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Feb 2015 17:09

SSridhar wrote:
Peregrine wrote:This is due to the PK Railways using the Original Lubes beyond the milage at which time the Lube Oil i.e. they have not done the "Lube Service". [/img]
Peregrine ji, I used to think that the Pakis were experts in the lube business. I am hit by cognitive dissonance now.

SSridhar Ji :

Cwapistani Friend advises GUBOING Manual specifies GREASE. Specifically prohibits LUBES.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Feb 2015 17:15

pankajs wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 154055.cms
Pakistan, India moving towards trade liberalisation: Pakistan Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan may grant non-discriminatory market access status to India and the two countries are moving towards sealing a deal to liberalise trade, Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan has said

pankajs Ji :

The Operative word is "may".

Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Feb 2015 17:33

On the MFN (or NDMA) issue, I am recalling some of my earlier posts.

If South Block does not have institutional memory, there is a serious problem. Pakistan has always dangled something to extract concessions and after getting what it wanted went back on its promise. The first such recorded instance was agreeing to paying seignorage charges for waters from the Madhopur headworks in 1948. This MFN business is the latest in that long list of broken promises. It was correctly predicted here to be a ruse to extract concessions, soften any blow on the demands for quickening the cooperation on the 26/11 issue etc. ahead of the SAARC meeting by Gilani with MMS. We withdrew our objection to EU's GSP+ privileges to Pakistan, gave multiple-entry, anywhere travel, long-term visas to Pakistanis, allowed opening their bank branches here, eased investment avenues etc. Even as it announced MFN in October, there was confusion over whether it has been indeed granted or not. This confusion was deliberately created by Pakistan, as it has done in every such issue. That was the perfidy. I can bet both my testimonials that this MFN would never happen. Pakistan even took the UN on a big ride over the issue of banning the JuD. Haven't we learnt anything at all ? As Einstein said and is often quoted these days, foolishness is that where we do the same thing over and over again expecting the result alone to be different.
Date: Dec. 9, 2011

But, this MFN announcement[No immediate plan to grant most favoured nation status to India: Pakistan], the beheading, the killing of IA soldiers, the intense shelling have all suddenly spurted and have to be seen in proper context. The context is Pakistan's turn around in relationship with the US and the US' acceptance of the primacy of Pakistan in post-US Afghanistan. With the IMF once again seemingly opening its tap, under US benevolence, Pakistan may not feel compelled to need Indian trade to tide over its difficult situation. A very short-term view, but that is how Pakistan operates. The Pakistani tail is up now and whenever that goes up, India suffers.
Date: Aug. 13, 2013

GoI does not seem to realize that TSP's actions, such as talking to the militants, the PA going with that decision, all parties welcoming such a move, using MFN as a bargaining chip (and the latest assurance to IMF on granting MFN to India is simply a fraud to get the much needed loans), complete delaying on 26/11 cases etc speak how it is going to behave in the months and years to come before and after 2014.
Date: Sep. 08, 2013

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Feb 2015 19:29

Spy vs spy
http://www.oneindia.com/feature/chasing ... 45998.html

Since an year India has been tracking every movement of Tara. They finally tracked him to Thailand‎ six months back. He had landed in Thailand from Pakistan and was sent by the ISI to set up an arms base in a bid to revive Punjab militancy.

However when the Indian agencies got wind of the fact that he landed in Thailand they also realised that he was a prized man for the ISI. It took a bit of coaxing to ensure that even the Thail agencies join the operation which they finally agreed to do.

When it was decided that the Thai authorities would send him to India, the ISI got wind of this and planned a major escape for Tara. They arranged a van to ferry him to the airport, prepared fake passports and even booked him on a flight.

The ISI also arranged for four escort vehicles to ensure his safe entry into the airport. The Indian agencies got wind of this and moved quickly to pull him out of his den in Thailand and ensure he flew into India overnight.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Feb 2015 19:47

There was news of KKH being reconstructed by the Chinese after the Hunza landslide and also claims of it being completed and seems to be operational in google maps -- even with lane dividers and such.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Karak ... fa6c809872

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Feb 2015 20:00

Tuvaluan wrote:There was news of KKH being reconstructed by the Chinese after the Hunza landslide and also claims of it being completed and seems to be operational in google maps -- even with lane dividers and such.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Karak ... fa6c809872

Scroll to the downstream end of the Attabad lake and you will see the gap in the highway.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Feb 2015 20:01

Chinese news agency relays Pakistani statistics - must be trying to persuade Xi that he'd be safe in Pakistan.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015- ... 976191.htm

ISLAMABAD, Feb. 6 (Xinhua) -- The security forces in Pakistan have detained about 10,616 suspects on different charges after the Taliban savage attack on an army-run school in last December, officials said Friday.
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A report presented to the prime minister said the law enforcement agencies have conducted 14,886 search operations in all parts of the country since the implementation of the NAP.

According to the report, the security agencies conducted 9,413 operations in the country's biggest Punjab province while 2,724 in the northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, which is mainly affected by terrorism-related incidents.

The forces carried out 1,577 raids in southern Sindh province, 336 in capital Islamabad, 39 in southwestern Balochistan province, 720 in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, 56 in the tribal regions, and 21 in northern areas of Gilgit-Baltistan.

Among those arrested included 1,934 from Punjab, 1,533 from Sindh, 6,038 from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, 460 from Balochistan, 505 from Islamabad, seven from Pakistan-administered Kashmir, 129 from tribal areas and 10 from Gilgit-Baltistan.

Over misuse of loudspeaker, the security agencies arrested 2, 035 people, including 1,806 in Punjab, 169 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, one in Balochistan and 59 in Islamabad. A total of 1,256 equipments were confiscated for being misused.

In total, 540 cases have been registered for spreading hate speech and material including 455 in Punjab, 34 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, four in Balochistan, 46 in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and one in Gilgit-Baltistan. The law enforcement agencies also arrested 405 people and sealed 41 shops on the same charges.

Of course, if loudspeakers and pamphlets are the real danger to Xi, then his security is assured.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Feb 2015 20:16

A_Gupta wrote: Scroll to the downstream end of the Attabad lake and you will see the gap in the highway.

Thanks! so they never did reconstruct that part after that megalandslide. That's good to know.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Feb 2015 20:29

Tuvaluan wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: Scroll to the downstream end of the Attabad lake and you will see the gap in the highway.
Thanks! so they never did reconstruct that part after that megalandslide. That's good to know.

Yes. They are building a bypass, tunnel & bridge is involved, which will probably complete later this year though.

PS: https://passutimesen.wordpress.com/2015 ... utimes-en/

GOJAL, HUNZA: January 01: China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC), a construction company from China successfully completed the longest tunnel (4485 meter) over on new alignment to connect traffic from Central Hunza to Gojal Upper Hunza, which has been suspended for five years due to the Attabad Lake. CRBC arranged a colorful ceremony on 30th December 2014 to celebrate this historic millstone. On this occasion, the CRBC officials acknowledged its top six outstanding and professional staff for their dedication and hard work. Mr. Nazir Aman Tajik from Gojal Upper Hunza has been awarded best technical person. Mr. Nazir was trained by CRBC two years ago and he is part of the engineering group. According to CRBC officials, this realignment of KKH (24km) including two tunnels, seven large-high and 2 small bridges, 70 culverts and 80.583 cum retaining walls will be completed and opened for all traffics by mid of 2015.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2015 20:33

Tuvaluan wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: Scroll to the downstream end of the Attabad lake and you will see the gap in the highway.
Thanks! so they never did reconstruct that part after that megalandslide. That's good to know.

Apparently its not that easy.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Feb 2015 20:45

A_Gupta wrote:Yes. They are building a bypass, tunnel & bridge is involved, which will probably complete later this year though.

Tunnels and bridges are good targets for Air launched Brahmos.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Feb 2015 21:21

Tuvaluan wrote:There was news of KKH being reconstructed by the Chinese after the Hunza landslide and also claims of it being completed and seems to be operational in google maps -- even with lane dividers and such.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Karak ... fa6c809872

KKH is very much out of action.

See my post of 04 Jan 2015 on Page 38 of the previous STFUP thread:

Clicky

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Feb 2015 21:26

thanks for link, arun. The google satellite map for public view is ~~probably a year old~~ pretty current (2015) and from a french satellite and the Gulmit-shishkat bridge has not been built. Another misfortunate landslide in this area can take out all these bridges in one shot, after they have been painfully rebuilt -- "Mother Nature" works in mysterious ways.

Shiv wrote: Apparently its not that easy.

Yes, Shivji, that is not easy, especially for pakis. However, the chinese definitely have the capability to build such bridges since they have done so in the mainland, which makes me suspect that they do not really want a land route into China from Pakiland, since the reports on KKH say that the Chinese reconstructed the rest of the KKH that did not really need fixing, but left out the part that is crucial to establish connectivity between East Turkestan/N.Himachal Pradesh (a.k.a. Xinjiang) and pakistan.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Feb 2015 23:21

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 150794.cms
Dubai based Pakistani, known as Safi alias chacha, sends 'human couriers’ with fake notes: NIA

NEW DELHI: A 50-year-old Pakistani businessman based in Dubai, known as Safi alias chacha, is responsible for sending "human couriers" to India with fake Indian currency notes, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has said in its charge sheet against a Bihar resident, who was arrested last year with Rs 50 lakh worth of fake currency notes.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Feb 2015 23:27

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 150756.cms
Pakistan high commissioner Abdul Basit to meet new foreign secretary S Jaishankar to revive talks

NEW DELHI: Pakistan high commissioner Abdul Basit will call on foreign secretary S Jaishankar next week to explore the possibility of relaunching the bilateral dialogue that was suspended by India last year after the envoy met separatist Hurriyat leaders.

Although officials in the Pakistan government told ET that Basit will make a courtesy call on the new foreign secretary, there are expectations in some quarters that talks could be revived as new secretary could suggest ideas to government to relaunch talks.

The Sharif government has been sending feelers over the past few months to restart the dialogue, officials said, even as India has maintained that talks can only be held in an atmosphere free of violence and after Pakistan takes action against terrorists operating from its soil.

India has shown no interest in reviving talks since August last year, with Modi only exchanging greetings with Sharif at the SAARC Summit in Kathmandu.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2015 23:42

LokeshC wrote:Nowhere close to learned I am, but this looks like a usual case of bakis thinking emotionally and irrationally and then premature excitations of delusions follow.

Pakisookarstan was premature baby, its natural for them to behave like retards.
Here is SSS Bhangi idiot explaining the inner Pakisataniat.
The Virtual War

Therefore, it is no wonder that a nation unified on the tragedy of the Peshawar massacre dissipated its resolve rather quickly to react to the crises in unison. The entire National Action Plan is evaporating in thin air. The government through tacit consent has displayed no urgency to tackle terrorism by its horns. Military courts are now controversial. Religious parties have drawn lines based on divides. Bars and bench are divided. Some segments of civil society are vibrant against Lal Masjid and Mumtaz Qadri but chose to stay away from Army Public School vigils. Others though vitriolic against Charlie Hebdo or Maulana Abdul Aziz chose to ignore the significance of Kashmir Day. The military is seen as supporting proxies and Kashmir for its corporate interests. Liberal segments perceive Kashmir to be a non-issue serving the purpose of military elites. Twisting of facts on core national issues is endemic, eroding Pakistan’s power potential by each day. Lies become the truth and truth the casualty of vicious campaigns. Pakistan is a case study where private and social media have gone out of the control of the government. They pick and choose themes at whims sometimes against the core national interests of the state. All above mentioned themes are visible on face book, twitter, tumbler, blogs and multimedia sites. Beyond the visible are spy-wares and backdoors. Pakistan as a country, is living through day to day. There are no visible efforts to correct the wrongs of the past or to realign the present with national interests. Practically every core group has its own agenda and narrative to subdue its critics and opponents. Through the unchecked invasion of cyberspace, it is others who are fast assuming control over national debates and issues. A cellular density of over 73% and over 30 million internet users exposes the majority of Pakistanis to virtual warriors. High illiteracy makes the majority of the population vulnerable to themes, propaganda and subversion. It is high time the government wakes up to these threats.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Feb 2015 00:17

I was reading about Israel bombing weapons imported by Syria recently, and in general bombing anything that the state finds a threat to Israel. But I am not sure if we have bombed anything on KKH even if it is maal from 'international' black market. Does anything stop us from bombing KKH - or just the part that falls in the Indian state of J&K.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 08 Feb 2015 00:51

Jhujar wrote: ...
Pakisookarstan was premature baby, its natural for them to behave like retards.
Here is SSS Bhangi idiot explaining the inner Pakisataniat.
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Please. Bhangi is a respectable profession performing vital service for society. Don't link it with Pakistaniat.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 08 Feb 2015 02:37

Crazy talk--Cyril Almeida in Dawn
Writing about Paki policy of apparently beating up "some" militants while continuing to coddle Kashmir-jihadis.

THEY call it a sequential approach. Let the good crazies run around and do the things they like while the boys go after the bad crazies first. Then, once all the bad crazies have been dispatched, it’ll be time to figure out what to do with the good crazies.

Sounds crazy, right? Think of it as a statist version of leaving for tomorrow what can be done today. Hence all those K-Day protests.

There is another possibility though: when you can’t say no, you say maybe. Essentially, the sequential approach is the polite way of telling the world what it wants to hear while merrily getting on with business as usual.

Instead of looking for reasons why things have changed or will change, ask why they should change in the first place. Or, to put it bluntly, why change a winning strategy?

And, in the case of the extremist mosque-madressah-social welfare network, could that in fact be a necessary tool in a winning strategy, an inflammable substance to be handled with care rather than a toxic one to be buried deep underground?

Between the everything’s-changed and nothing’s-changed schools of thought, there is nestled the hawks’ perspective: at home, stuff has changed; outside, stuff is on track.

Start with India. If there’s one thing India doesn’t have an answer to it’s Pakistan-based, anti-India militancy. Nukes they can design. Missiles they can build. Planes they can buy. Submarines, guns and soldiers too. But they don’t quite know what to do about militancy. Which isn’t surprising. Because there’s not much anyone can do against the jihad complex that Pakistan has built.
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Whether it’s the Pakistan-loving Manmohan or the Pakistan-baiting Modi, the NSA dove Menon or the NSA hawk Doval, whether India gallops away economically or the gap grows more slowly, no matter what the hell India does, it can’t shake off the jihad leverage.

You can even imagine that the bigger and mightier India gets someone here will be thinking, the bigger they are the harder they fall. They may even cheer India on to grow bigger. Makes for a fatter target and a more satisfying blow.

Ah, but that’s crazy, you’re thinking. The Kashmir policy has been a disaster. We’re no closer to a settlement. We’ve failed to internationalise the dispute. Nobody likes us, everyone thinks we’re trouble. It’s not just unwise it’s self-defeating.

Not really. In a certain world, from a certain perspective, it makes total sense. Don’t think about it being just about Kashmir. The anti-India jihad complex is leverage in the broader Pak-India relationship.

It is the one instrument that Pakistan has that drives Indians crazy, keeps them up at night and to which they have no response. No response that Pakistan can’t absorb and is unwilling to absorb.

Why the hell would you give that up against Enemy No 1? Why the hell would you change a winning strategy?

Which brings us back to the mosque-madressah-social welfare network. It’s a problem, sure. But it’s also a vital resource: without it you’d have no India or Afghan policy.

Because to have an anti-India jihad, you need jihadists. And to produce jihadists you need an extremist mosque-madressah-social welfare network.

Over on the other side, the Afghan Taliban have had 13 years of war to mint the next generation of Afghan Taliban, but that has also meant they haven’t had the time or space to create their own extremist mosque-madressah-social welfare network.

If you’re Pakistan, you don’t want to leave such things to chance. So you build and equip your own extremist network. For material aid and spiritual sustenance.

The boys may talk about a sequential approach and a changed world. They’re going to wrap up the jihad complex. Put it out of business. Sequentially. But why would you change a winning strategy?

Now that would be crazy.

Cyril Almeida is one of the finest Paki analytical minds around. No drama, no BS, straight-up hard-nosed analysis of an outsider looking in, dissecting and explaining Paki state strategy. Much better than the smug blather that often passes for Pakistan-analysis on our side.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 08 Feb 2015 02:41

Liberation from Kashmir

The argument is not that the Pakistani State should give up Kashmir as a ‘foreign’ policy issue and not argue that case in appropriate forums. The Pakistani State has long lost the will to do that. The Kashmir issue is the domain of the government and the audience should be international. Kashmir now is a prop, an opportunity for assorted jihadi outfits to make their presence felt. We do a great disservice to the persecuted people of Kashmir and their genuine suffering by using them as mere gimmicks for domestic narrative power grabs; we do a disservice to ourselves by ceding the few inches of narrative space captured after APS Peshawar. ‘Kashmir jihad’ is the original sin; the convergence of religious militancy with hyper-nationalist patriotism. ‘Kashmir Day’ today makes a mockery of the NAP. We need to be ‘liberated’ from ‘Kashmir’ in our imagination before we talk about us, the NAP and perhaps even Kashmir.

Cheers

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 08 Feb 2015 02:54

VikasRaina wrote:Hai Ahmadiyya community !! Neither India cares for your Paki brides nor Pakis want you alive.
What was that saying "dhobi ka.."

karma is a b!atch, they are paying for creating bakistan.