Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

[srin]

If only they mandate video recording of cockpit…

[A_Gupta]

Just how much would inspection of the cockpit fuel switches in an airline's Boeing fleet cost?

[vera_k]

Not substantial, and definitely not material. If your flight has ever been delayed due to a "technical issue" you've seen that airlines do work on the planes as a routine part of daily operations. This would get added to that list.

This report from ToI today also confirms that the fuel control switches were previously replaced in 2023 since they are an integral part of the throttle control module.

AI 171 crash aftermath

[jrjrao]

Another exclusive in the WSJ. Today's paper:


New Details in Air India Crash Probe Shift Focus to Senior Pilot

Black-box recording and report details indicate the flight’s captain switched off fuel flow to engines

[vera_k]

AAIB is pushing back on the WSJ report.

AAIB slams irresponsible conclusions

[Amber G.]

AAIB is pushing back on the WSJ report.

AAIB slams irresponsible conclusions

WSJ Aritcle- (New Details in Air India Crash Probe Shift Focus to Senior Pilot)
summary:
-New cockpit‑voice recordings and flight‑data evidence now suggest Captain Sumeet Sabharwal may have switched both engine fuel-control switches to “cutoff” shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad—causing a loss of thrust and ultimately triggering the crash .

- The first officer, Clive Kunder, is heard sounding panicked, asking “why” the switches were moved; the captain responds calmly and seemingly denies the action .

- At this stage, investigators haven’t concluded whether this was an intentional act or a mistake; U.S. authorities are considering whether criminal charges are warranted if deliberate action is confirmed.

AAIB has urged caution, stating conclusions are premature and criticizing what it called “irresponsible” media speculation ..

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[Tanaji]

How are such details being leaked to the media?

[chetak]

AAIB is pushing back on the WSJ report.

AAIB slams irresponsible conclusions

vera_k ji,

Do we discern a difference in the approaches (and thereby the diverging interests) of the FAA and the NTSB, with one being openly partisan to the interests of the amriki deep state asset, while the other proceeds with the caution warranted by the gravity of the situation.

The AAIB is right to callout the WSJ, toilet, et al but at least for the moment, aren't the AAIB and the NTSB in the same corner

[Hriday]

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/stor ... e_vignette

Some excerpts,

Top aviation expert: 'Boeing Dreamliner software can cut fuel without pilot input, has happened twice'

Aviation attorney and former US Department of Transportation Inspector General Mary Schiavo has cautioned against rushing to blame the pilots in the Air India crash. She pointed out that the Boeing Dreamliner has a system capable of cutting fuel to the engines on its own.
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Schiavo pointed to prior incidents involving the same aircraft model where onboard systems, without pilot input, cut fuel to the engines mid-air. She cited a 2019 All Nippon Airways incident where a Boeing 787's system mistakenly shut off fuel mid-air after misjudging that the aircraft had already landed. "That system — TCMA — has already been faulted in a prior incident. It can and will cut the thrust to both engines if it malfunctions," she said.
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She also referred to a more recent case involving a United Airlines Dreamliner flight between Washington DC and Nigeria. "The plane itself put the plane into a nose dive. There was a thrust issue, there was an engine issue, and the plane experienced some deviations," she said.
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The TCMA is a system that the FAA mandated so that the plane itself can assess when it needs to cut back the power. And that is tied in with the flight controllers, which are on both of the engines," she explained.
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"In about 75% of the cases the pilots are blamed and in many cases… we’ve been able to disprove that," she said.

[vera_k]

Do we discern a difference in the approaches (and thereby the diverging interests) of the FAA and the NTSB, with one being openly partisan to the interests of the amriki deep state asset, while the other proceeds with the caution warranted by the gravity of the situation.

Conjecture, but any leaks would come from the NTSB as they are part of the investigation team. The FAA is not directly involved. However, an article can well be published on second or third hand information.

This daily mail article today attributes to two unnamed Western sources. So not from within the AAIB team.
Eerie words

[chetak]

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