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sanman wrote: 14 Jul 2024 07:14 Photo of actual bullet in mid-flight

(eerie - reminds me of photo of jet before hitting WTC)

https://x.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196

[img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSaDvF6XYAA ... name=small[/img]
Is this a verified photograph? One can calculate the bullet speed if one knows the exposure time (CCD capturing the image) and can see if it checks out.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 14 Jul 2024 07:27 Is this a verified photograph? One can calculate the bullet speed if one knows the exposure time (CCD capturing the image) and can see if it checks out.
No idea - don't see why someone would fake something like that.

Anyway, here's an emergency physician talking about how he attended to one of the spectators who'd been shot (in the head)

https://x.com/RandomTheGuy_/status/1812289751158039037
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BBC Interview with guy who witnessed Trump shooter


@BasedBeffJezos
How the hell was such an obvious line of sight not secured?

https://x.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1812289579052859836

@drsimonegold
I am in the center of Times Square.

Not a single video monitor reporting that President Trump has been shot.

The depth of the censorship and propaganda is astounding.
https://x.com/drsimonegold/status/1812269690137293280

Censorship has kicked in and typical channels are using the term Chaos at Trump Rally" even though its clear its an assassination attempt
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srin wrote: 14 Jul 2024 07:17 I'm deeply concerned about the democracy in America. This attempted assassination is the latest in a series of political intimidation of the opposition leader that is vehemently opposed to the ruling regime. This and the fact that only two parties are favored in the political process raises grave doubts over the fairness of democracy
:) please send it as a tweet to GarShitty.
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To be expected following the years of visceral hateful propaganda against Trump.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law
Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took
place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend
my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was
killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly
injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our
Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is
now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of
my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that
I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet
ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized
then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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Trump just had the literal hair breadths escape from death. Fate intervened.
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sanman wrote: 14 Jul 2024 04:23 JFK time?

People need to post their phonecam footage online.

US has a bad history of this crap.

Deep State is dangerous.


Those Who Assassinate And Get Away,

Live to Assassinate Another Day


Step Up Modi's Security IMMEDIATELY!
Just the neocons falling flat at their last game.

Trump just won American presidential elections by a landslide.

He is now a hero

America will pull out of Ukraine war.
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Trump had the forethought to pump his fist and cry for a fight. This image is gonna be plastered all over...and will invite a CT of "staged" Whatever it is, it's gonna be an interesting next few weeks, esp if there was any involvement of UKR/RU actors.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkmV8EuUtQ8


Eyewitnesses & Latest Info on The Shooter at Trump's PA Rally Attempted Assassination





The video is 17:45 minutes long



Donald Trump appeared to be the target of an assassination attempt as he spoke during a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday, law enforcement officials said. The former president, his ear covered in blood from what he said was a gunshot, was quickly pulled away by Secret Service agents and his campaign said he was “fine.”

A local prosecutor said the suspected gunman and at least one attendee are dead. The Secret Service said two spectators were critically injured.
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pravula wrote: 14 Jul 2024 08:49 Trump had the forethought to pump his fist and cry for a fight. This image is gonna be plastered all over...and will invite a CT of "staged" Whatever it is, it's gonna be an interesting next few weeks, esp if there was any involvement of UKR/RU actors.
Maybe the Dems wish they had thought of staging something like this to stop their mans sinking ratings...
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Smriti Z Irani
@smritiirani
Violence weakens democracy. All voices of reason should strongly condemn the attack on @realDonaldTrump
. Wishing the former President speedy recovery. My prayers for the victims and those injured.
https://x.com/smritiirani/status/1812316528584302790
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Photo of the probable attacker
https://x.com/I_HateFeds/status/1812312554649067915
Drone/Helicopter Photo before the shooting. They knew he was there. This was a setup.

https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1812280753520300276
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drnayar wrote: 14 Jul 2024 08:46
sanman wrote: 14 Jul 2024 04:23
US has a bad history of this crap.

Deep State is dangerous.
Just the neocons falling flat at their last game.

Trump just won American presidential elections by a landslide.

He is now a hero

America will pull out of Ukraine war.
It is very clear that the Deep State pulled this stunt after the huge screwup by Bidenwa. This shows their desperation to take out Trump. Neocons/libs are all blood thirsty beasts who will not hesitate to bump of opponents of their plan.

I think the elections will go Trump's way. India needs to prepare for such and plan accordingly. Neocons/libs are all blood thirsty beasts and they will try some other tactic soon.
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bala wrote: 14 Jul 2024 10:14
drnayar wrote: 14 Jul 2024 08:46

Just the neocons falling flat at their last game.

Trump just won American presidential elections by a landslide.

He is now a hero

America will pull out of Ukraine war.
It is very clear that the Deep State pulled this stunt after the huge screwup by Bidenwa. This shows their desperation to take out Trump. Neocons/libs are all blood thirsty beasts who will not hesitate to bump of opponents of their plan.

I think the elections will go Trump's way. India needs to prepare for such and plan accordingly. Neocons/libs are all blood thirsty beasts and they will try some other tactic soon.

I too feel that this attempted assassination has been precipitated due to revelation of Biden's senility to the public.

This may have forced some people into desperate measures to stop Trump at all costs.

This is "Winner-Take-All" politics.

Regardless of who was involved, I bet Zelensky is now fearful of a Trump landslide victory. He won't be sleeping well tonight.
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^ if they wanted to do that, they chose the wrong target... It should have been the sleepy creepy old guy.

If the assassin missed it they could have used it generate a huge sympathy wave... If he didn't then they could use that to get a win able replacement candidate.

Win win both ways
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Btw Vivek R must be thanking the gods...
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For all the lectures and homilies that the US gives to India about democracy and freedom of expression, the past 2 years have shown that it is the US that looks like a banana republic. Any other country where the opposition candidate is repeatedly prosecuted, false stories spread and now attempts made on his life, the same candidate refusing to accept defeat and attempting a coup when he was president… would mean that US would have branded that country at 125th in “Freedom index” or whatever bs index it uses.

Yet, here we are, US is still the shining beacon of freedom…
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uddu wrote: 14 Jul 2024 09:39 Photo of the probable attacker
https://x.com/I_HateFeds/status/1812312554649067915
Drone/Helicopter Photo before the shooting. They knew he was there. This was a setup.

https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1812280753520300276
Image


Uddu Saar,

Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20, Identified As Trump Rally Shooter

Thomas Matthew Crooks was killed by security officials when he opened fire at Donald Trump during his campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzC8QkdqvQ
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https://youtu.be/ULk8-DGC7Hs
Old Bangles song just for entertainment :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Could have been a lone wolf attack. Only 20 years old.
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VKumar wrote: 14 Jul 2024 15:21 Could have been a lone wolf attack. Only 20 years old.
+1 A Zim/Zer Rainbow left loonie.. but probably a fall guy. The security gaps were amazing.
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Conveniently a registered Republican…
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Tanaji wrote: 14 Jul 2024 17:07 Conveniently a registered Republican…
Like the kalwa wearing Kasab
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Manish_P wrote: 14 Jul 2024 16:58
VKumar wrote: 14 Jul 2024 15:21 Could have been a lone wolf attack. Only 20 years old.
+1 A Zim/Zer Rainbow left loonie.. but probably a fall guy. The security gaps were amazing.
Security failure was VERY GLARING

The security snipers killed the shooter - but only after he opened fire. They should have reacted much more quickly. Why didn't they do their job?
Manish_P wrote: 14 Jul 2024 17:18
Tanaji wrote: 14 Jul 2024 17:07 Conveniently a registered Republican…
Like the kalwa wearing Kasab
I noticed this Tweet:

https://x.com/cirnosad/status/1812354307712340076

Remember how Jack Rubenstein killed shooter Lee Harvey Oswald? Such a convenient coincidence.

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Manish_P wrote: 14 Jul 2024 16:58
VKumar wrote: 14 Jul 2024 15:21 Could have been a lone wolf attack. Only 20 years old.
+1 A Zim/Zer Rainbow left loonie.. but probably a fall guy. The security gaps were amazing.
Apparently Biden s security apparatus denied trumps request for a higher level security. Now all bets are off.
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Tanaji wrote: 14 Jul 2024 17:07 Conveniently a registered Republican…


Here you go, Tanaji saar, things may not always be what they appear at first glance


‘Registered’ Republican who donated money to Democrats: Meet Thomas Matthew Crooks, the man behind the assassination attempt on Donald Trump




https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-sh ... ratic-pac/

Trump’s shooter was a registered Republican, had donated to a Democratic PAC

Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20, of Bethel, Pennsylvania, an hour away from ex-president’s rally, was killed on the spot by the Secret Service; had no recognizable social media accounts


BETHEL PARK, Pennsylvania (Reuters) — The FBI identified 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, as the suspect in Saturday’s attempted assassination of former US President Donald Trump at a campaign rally.

The suspect was shot and killed by the Secret Service seconds after he allegedly fired shots toward a stage where Trump was speaking in Butler, Pennsylvania. The FBI said it was working to determine a motive for the attack, in which one rally attendee died and two other spectators were critically injured. Trump was shot in the ear.

State voter records show that Crooks was a registered Republican. The upcoming November 5 election would have been the first time Crooks had been old enough to vote in a presidential race.

Crooks lived about an hour away from where the shooting took place in Butler. The Federal Aviation Administration said on Sunday that it closed the airspace over Bethel Park for “special security reasons.”

When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing. The donation was earmarked for the Progressive Turnout Project, a national group that rallies Democrats to vote. The groups did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Crooks’ father, Matthew Crooks, 53, told CNN that he was trying to figure out what happened and would wait until he spoke to law enforcement before speaking about his son.

Trump supporters are seen covered with blood in the stands after gunshots were fired at Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump at a campaign event in Butler, Pennsylvania, July 13, 2024. (Rebecca Droke / AFP)
Thomas Crooks graduated in 2022 from Bethel Park High School, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. He received a $500 “star award” from the National Math and Science Initiative, according to the newspaper.

A 2022 graduation ceremony video cited by the New York Times shows Crooks receiving his high school diploma to some applause. Video from that ceremony posted online shows Crooks with glasses in a black graduation gown and posing with a school official. Reuters could not immediately verify the authenticity of the video. Law enforcement officials said on Saturday that Crooks carried no identification to the site of the shooting and had to be identified using other methods.

“We’re looking at photographs right now and we’re trying to run his DNA and get biometric confirmation,” Kevin Rojek, FBI special agent in charge, said during a press briefing.

Republican US presidential candidate former president Donald Trump is helped off the stage at a campaign event after apparently being shot in his ear, July 13, 2024, in Butler, Pennsylvania, July 13, 2024. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
USA Today reported that dozens of law enforcement vehicles were stationed outside a residence listed at the address on Crooks’ voter registration record. Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were on the scene and a bomb squad was at the residence, USA Today reported. The perimeter of the residence of the suspect was guarded on Sunday by yellow police caution tape. An Alleghany County Police vehicle was parked outside.

“It’s insanity that anyone would do this,” Dan Maloney, a 30-year-old resident from the area was quoted as saying by USA Today. Reuters could not immediately identify social media accounts or other online postings by Crooks. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram, did not immediately respond to questions on whether the platforms had removed any accounts related to the suspect.
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How soon before the 'there was a second shooter' theories start?

The chinese are off the mark pretty quick - Are the republicans ok with ordering Made in China stuff? :mrgreen:

Just hours after Donald Trump shooting, T-shirts go on sale in China

Just over 2 hours after Donald Trump was shot at during a rally in Pennsylvania, Chinese online retailers started selling souvenir T-shirts with photos printed on them capturing the moment just after the former president escaped the assassination attempt.

Taobao seller Li Jinwei said, "We put the T-shirts on Taobao as soon as we saw the news about the shooting, though we hadn't even printed them, and within three hours we saw more than 2,000 orders from both China and the US."
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Thomas Matthew Crooks neutralised by the US Secret Service, image via New York Post


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Lord Jagannath saved Donald Trump.
https://www.opindia.com/2024/07/iskcon- ... york-city/

Yes, for sure it's a divine intervention.

Exactly 48 years ago, Donald Trump saved the Jagannath Rathayatra festival. Today, as the world celebrates the Jagannath Rathayatra festival again, Trump was attacked, and Jagannath returned the favor by saving him.

In July 1976, Donald Trump helped ISKCON devotees organize Rathayatra by providing his train yard for the construction of the raths for free.

Today, as the world celebrates the 9-day Jagannath Rathayatra festival, this terrible attack on him and his narrow escape show Jagannath's intervention.

The first chariot procession of the Lord of the Universe Mahaprabhu Jagannath kicked off on the streets of NYC in 1976, with assistance from the then 30-year-old emerging real-estate mogul in United States of America – Donald Trump.

Nearly 48 years ago, when the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) was planning to organize the first Rath Yatra in New York City, challenges were galore.

While the grant of parade permit at the Fifth Avenue was nothing short of a miracle, finding a huge empty site where chariots could be built was also never going to be easy. They knocked at the doors of every person possible, but in vain. It was then that the former US president Donald Trump emerged as a ray of hope for the Krishna devotees.

With ISKCON celebrating its 10th birthday in 1976, devotees in NYC were planning the first big Rath Yatra there. We had permission to use the Fifth Avenue, which in fact is a big deal. But we needed an empty site close to the starting point of the parade route, to build the massive wooden carts. Everyone we asked said NO. They were concerned about insurance risks etc, which is understandable.

DONALD TRUMP'S YES

Desperation of devotees reached peak, hopes were nearly shattered. Almost all the firm owners who were approached reportedly said they were in the process of selling the property at the Pennsylvania rail yard, which was marked as the perfect location for cart making. A few days later, someone told them that Donald Trump had purchased the old railway yard. But still there were concerns as a dozen other landlords they had asked for had already said no, and ‘why would Trump be any different?

Nevertheless, the devotees went to his office with a big basket of Maha Prasadam and a presentation package. His secretary took it but warned the devotees, "He never agrees to this kind of thing. You can ask but he is going to say NO.

Have faith in Mahaprabhu they say, and the miracle was bound to happen!

Three days later, Trump’s secretary called up the devotees saying, "I don't know what happened but he read your letter, took a bit of the food you left, and immediately said Sure, why not?

The secretary then said, "Come on down and get his signed letter of permission.” Yes, Trump had signed the papers giving permission to use the open rail yards for construction of Rath Yatra carts.

APPROVAL FOR RATH YATRA PROCESSION

Receiving approval for parade permit was another daunting task that the devotees faced. On behalf of the Hare Krishna Movement, Tosan Krishna Das who was in charge of getting the permit had submitted a written proposal to the authorities. The Police department had initially said yes but again they said no as there was mayor’s edict since 1962 against allowing new parades on the Fifth Avenue. With no option left, Tosan finally approached the chief of Police in Manhattan.

Nobody had any clue about how the chief would respond to the application. But after a careful review, the police chief signed the papers with a smile. “I don’t know why I am doing this, the chief said. And then he signed it,” reveals Tosan.

Like other corporate company owners, Trump also could have easily rejected the proposal. Devotees thought the Police chief was no exception either. Why they didn’t say no, still is a question unanswered, as devotees cite it as a blessing of Lord Jagannath.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 14 Jul 2024 07:27
sanman wrote: 14 Jul 2024 07:14 Photo of actual bullet in mid-flight

(eerie - reminds me of photo of jet before hitting WTC)

https://x.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196

[img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSaDvF6XYAA ... name=small[/img]
Is this a verified photograph? One can calculate the bullet speed if one knows the exposure time (CCD capturing the image) and can see if it checks out.
Apparently, that image of the bullet in mid-flight was captured by New York Times photographer Doug Mills, who is also part of Whitehouse press corps.

https://youtu.be/t2b4mAgogXQ?t=240
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From last year!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/tucker-car ... rcna102976

Tucker Carlson stokes conspiracies, claims U.S. is 'speeding towards' assassination of Trump

also,

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tucker+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

on a side bar,

It’s being said that the Secret Service knew. On of its officers was seen shouting out Micky Mouse , Micky Mouse. He apparently got the wrong character, was trying to say Donald Duck, Donald Duck!
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‘Sad day for America’: Sky News host blasts CNN coverage of attempted Trump assassination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg1hRBrNK8I

It was disgusting to see CNN struggle to avoid the word "assassination" while desperately going thru the thesaurus for other alternatives - fall, injury, incident etc. etc.
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Just got back from nearly a month in Bharat. I also visited key temples in Thrissur dist., where "kamal" has recently bloomed!

Wow - this race has gotten a lot more nasty now.

Along with the assumed vast conspiracy theories, also take a humane look at the social fabric of this country. This article "55 mins ago" gives latest details of the shooter, MT Crooks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... rcna161757

This young man's father owned an SAR, not just a self-defense hand gun. The kid went to school wearing hunting camo gear, and was bullied daily. Was that the parents' influence, or had he fallen in with some kind of extremist group ? The kid doesn't seem mentally impaired, instead he was a very good student.

Who trained him to use that gun to sharp-shoot, and to conceal himself to "hunt" animals (or people)? Was it the unwitting father and his hunting buddies, or someone else?

It also seems like the kid's own political leaning (gadha) was opposite to that of his family (haathi), which may explain his getting registered as a haathi while a minor (I assume that requires parental cover, but I may be wrong).

Was he somehow "identified/groomed" by an extremist group, or was it anger against his family and social environment ?

As for Trump, glad he is alive and well. He - and those killed or injured at the rally- have had the misfortune of personally experiencing practical aspects of the "guns don't harm, people do" philosophy espoused by the NRA.

Nobody - not even former Presidents protected by "the best" (although that is now a matter of debate) security - seems safe from bullets in this gun-infested country.
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krithivas wrote: 14 Jul 2024 22:28 ‘Sad day for America’: Sky News host blasts CNN coverage of attempted Trump assassination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg1hRBrNK8I

It was disgusting to see CNN struggle to avoid the word "assassination" while desperately going thru the thesaurus for other alternatives - fall, injury, incident etc. etc.
I don't know what you are watching to come to such conclusions, but the CNN live headline I saw says "Trump survives assassination attempt": https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html
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