Understanding the US - Again

[williams]

The deep state will not allow Trump back in at any cost. First it was jail which failed, 2nd was the assassination attempt, now they will replace the opposition candidate with anyone who will win. Notice the prime deity Obama has not endorsed Harris. If state wise polling is bad going into the party convention on August 19th, expect Harris to be replaced. The money she raised is actually the $200M committed for Biden that was frozen & reallocated. None of those funds come to fruition until there is absolute confirmation that Harris will be the nominee.

For India, we have to wait to see who the nominee is. Much intrigue like the PRC politburo.

From the Indian PoV we need to build the links with the semi=permanent bureaucracy in DC. The reason for that is whether it is Trump or Harris, things will be run by this bureaucracy. Both of them don't have the intellectual capacity to influence this bureaucracy to make major policy changes. That said , it might be easier to deal with Harris wrt to things like Trade.

[chetak]

[chetak]

And so it begins again


Google Buries Trump Campaign Website Even in Thick of Republican National Convention

JULY 17, 2024

As the Republican National Convention kicked off Monday, Google is continuing to bury former President Donald Trump’s campaign website while propping up his opponents.

MRC researchers searched Google using a “clean environment” (without the influence of prior search history and tracking cookies) and found that the search giant completely eliminated Donald Trump’s website from the top 100 search results, while pushing President Joe Biden’s campaign website up to the number one spot.

Researchers conducted three separate searches for the top three candidate’s names along with the words “presidential race 2024.” While the results for Trump brought up seemingly endless 2024 election updates, including news articles, polls and commentaries, the search engine did not display the candidate’s campaign website.

Google, however, had no issues displaying Joe Biden’s campaign website as the first result in an equivalent search. Independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s website appeared as the fourth result in a similar search.

MRC Free Speech America Vice President Dan Schneider commented on Google’s tone-deaf bias in the aftermath of an assassination attempt on Trump. “Other left-wing media outlets and platforms are taking a pause from their anti-Trump tactics, but not Google,” he said. “The search giant has doubled down on its anti-American, election interference strategies.”

Schneider continued: “People who often do political searches on their computers will likely get different results since Google tracks their search history. But this study reflects a much darker, more sinister behavior at Google. It is through this kind of data manipulation that Google swayed millions of votes in the 2020 election. It must not be allowed to corrupt our democracy.”

The importance of where a search result appears on the first page of a Google search cannot be overstated. Not only is Google the go-to search engine for most people, holding a market share of nearly 92 percent worldwide, but the higher a search result appears, the more likely a user will click on a particular result, according to Brian Dean, a search engine optimization expert.

https://mrcfreespeechamerica.org/blogs/ ... even-thick

[bala]

The deep state will not allow Trump back in at any cost. First it was jail which failed, 2nd was the assassination attempt..

Astrological Predication from Kaarthik Gor says that according to DJ Trump kundli / chart, the Judiciary and assassination attempt were the twin arrows against him. Lord Jagannath saved him due to his previous good act to let chariots of Lord Jagannath to be worked upon in NY. The Punya saved him.

In Sanjay Dixit's Jaipur Dialogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIgmFdmCb94

Now the way is clear for DJ Trump to win election. Jupiter is his lord according to Kaarthik and to be in office with power tis Jupiter's house. The contest with kamala H is no contest at all. Real contest could happen if michele O is thrust from DNC as the new Rabbit candidate. DJ Trump is a Sansari, perfect for the nation of USA.

The Deep State faction aligned to China are in deep trouble. China does not want DJ Trump. They (chinese) gave kungflu to Bidenwa. Israel and India want/prefer DJ Trump. The Ukr war is in deep doo doo and a good closeout on the item would turn around the gloom and doom gripping the world. DJ Trump cares two hoots for the Eurotards, in fact he wants them to pay their fair share in NATO defending them.

I hope DJ Trump considers putting Vivek R in charge of clearing the augean stable of CIA/FBI/Judiciary of the US.

[Jay]

Astrological Predication from Kaarthik Gor says that according to DJ Trump kundli / chart, the Judiciary and assassination attempt were the twin arrows against him. Lord Jagannath saved him due to his previous good act to let chariots of Lord Jagannath to be worked upon in NY. The Punya saved him.

Are you serious, sir ji?

[Mort Walker]

Astrological Predication from Kaarthik Gor says that according to DJ Trump kundli / chart, the Judiciary and assassination attempt were the twin arrows against him. Lord Jagannath saved him due to his previous good act to let chariots of Lord Jagannath to be worked upon in NY. The Punya saved him.

Are you serious, sir ji?

He is. Trump was the only high profile person that allowed Lord Jagannath procession through NYC in 1976. Exactly 48 years before the assassination attempt. The Punya helped him, but will it be enough?

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/u ... 757132/amp

[sanman]

The excellent Rand Paul breaks down the security failures that led to Trump' being shot:

[chetak]

Heard at the hearings: 'You Are A DEI Horror Story': Tim Burchett Roasts Secret Service Director To Her Face

Also, during most such assassination attempts, there will always be, conveniently found near by, a 20 year old with a gun, who is invariably shot and killed, and this is a much practised script that has run many times

[Amber G.]

Obama didn't yet. Not directly by name I mean.

FWIW: This not unusual ... for any one who understands even the basics of such things.. neither Pelosi (or some elder statesman etc etc will do it right away .. they will let the 'usual' process play.

Both Pelosi, and now Obama has endorsed Kamala Harris.

Earlier this week, Michelle and I called our friend @KamalaHarris
. We told her we think she’ll make a fantastic President of the United States, and that she has our full support. At this critical moment for our country, we’re going to do everything we can to make sure she wins in November. We hope you’ll join us.

[Amber G.]

Recent data: Very interesting read about Immigrants in USA:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... mmigrants/



Eg:
Most immigrants (77%) are in the country legally. As of 2022:

49% were naturalized U.S. citizens.
24% were lawful permanent residents.
4% were legal temporary residents.
23% were unauthorized immigrants.
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[bala]

Now that the deep state has firmly placed Kamala H as their preferred candidate, you will see glorious write-ups on her and how she saved the US and lead the US compared to her opponent. The sad fact is that in the first rally by Kamala H, the number of people she can attract:

Kamala Harris hosted her first rally today in Wisconsin. She only drew 3,000 people. Compare this to when she announced her first (failed) presidential campaign and 20,000 people showed up. Big downgrade.

Meanwhile, President Trump continues to draw tens of thousands of voters to his MEGA MAGA rallies!

People remember her poor performance - in crime, in open borders, etc. Black African men are disgusted with her, when she aggressively locked up black men for marijuana crimes in California. A fair section of women of America are disgusted with her ethics and how she rose up using Sex as a tool for career advancement.

You will see ballot rigging (especially in mail-in ballots) in upcoming US elections. The CIA/FBI/Judicial will give its thumbs up for Kamala H as their preferred candidate. The alternative would be a clean out of the augean stables of CIA/FBI/Judicial systems - maybe Vivek R will be placed to do the clean-up.

[vera_k]

open borders

This is not a negative for India is it? If more people from South Asia are able to make it to the southern or northern borders, those stats posted above would not be as skewed in favor of Mexico.

[sanman]

FBI Director Christopher Wray has questioned whether Trump was actually hit by a bullet, saying that that the bullet could have instead hit a teleprompter, whose shards then hit Trump.

Sounds like FBI is politically weaponized, just like the rest of their justice system. America's backsliding democracy.

[chetak]

obummer has finally endorsed mylapore maami.

No consensus was/is forming for his wife michele's nomination

In the meanwhile, mylapore maami's ratings are apparently falling due to various reasons, and that needs the democrats to show a united front

hence obummer has slyly stepped up before he and his reputation, both take a hit.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 043381.cms

[Vayutuvan]

This is not a negative for India is it?...

What about legal H1B folks who are waiting for PR? The whole quota system is setup in such a way that people from all countries around the world are equally represented in the migrant community. That means if more Indians are coming into the US through open borders, to offset the increased representation, the US perforce has to keep H1B people waiting for longer times in the PR queue.

[vera_k]

^ Wonder why some get additional benefits while others wait? Its because the entire system would break down if those additional benefits weren't granted, and because it then makes political sense to do so. Prior legalization provisions have cleanly bypassed the quota system when required.

If there were far more people from South Asia coming in by whatever means, a similar dynamic would develop in favor of normalizing status. Not that it would be pretty, and a thick skin would be required.

[Avarachan]

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/us-ma ... s-research

The United States has higher maternal death rates than India despite spending far more on health care. While the United States spends about $14,000 per person annually, India spends only $21 per person. Yet India, with four times the U.S. population, has “a better grade than we do,” Dr. Thorp said.

[KL Dubey]

In the meanwhile, mylapore maami's ratings are apparently falling due to various reasons, and that needs the democrats to show a united front

Not sure where you are getting these reports from.

This is by far the best site for keeping track of US election polls in one place:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... -vs-harris

It tracks the nationwide polls, and importantly the 7 key toss-up states (of which Bhaidanwa won 6 in 2020 and Trump won only NC).

Nationwide, Kamaladevi has tightened up the race a lot. Notably, the highly reliable Morning Consult poll (which also has a sample size 10X the other polls) has her leading by 1 point.

For the toss-up states, some new polls are yet to arrive, but the latest ones again show Kamaladevi remarkably tightening up the race in WI, PA, MI, and GA. I do think she has a very good chance of winning these 4 states (and hence the election). NV, AZ, and NC seem harder, but 100 days is still a significant time. Let us see what happens after the gadha convention, whether the new candidate's increased visibility and VP pick leads to a further bump up. The haathi convention is already over.

Also, RFK Jr is a joker. Another old and bitter guy doing his own thing. Kamaladevi's entry has pulled the rug from under him, his numbers have fallen to less than 4%.

Overall - irrespective of political positions, it is notable that a person (and woman) of Indian origins has changed the race from a familiar story of "three white fellas"....

Old: all 3
Infirm: 1
Angry/bitter: 2
Felon: 1
Fulton County mugshot: 1

She is the first "real" non-white person running for US president as a candidate of a major party.

As I said before, the forum can save a lot of noise by just looking at the national trend and the 6-7 toss up states. These are states in which demographic shifts have changed electoral outcomes over the last 10 years. Given the small margins of victory in the last two elections in these states, Indians/Hindus can be a significant vote bloc, especially in the three biggest states - PA, GA, and MI - where there are probably 0.7-1 million Indian-American voters in total.

[Vayutuvan]

Given the small margins of victory in the last two elections in these states, Indians/Hindus can be a significant vote bloc, especially in the three biggest states - PA, GA, and MI - where there are probably 0.7-1 million Indian-American voters in total.

Exactly. They should vote for the one who is good for India. I posit that it is not Kamala Devi Harris. But they won't. They will go for "She is one of us. We want the first woman POTUS to be a PIO" and ofcourse their irrational love for DNC and attitude of having arrived and joining the elite circle of the Global Citizens.

That is where we, the Indian-American community, fail "bigly".

[Vayutuvan]

NV, AZ, and NC seem harder, but 100 days is still a significant time. Let us see what happens after the gadha convention, whether the new candidate's increased visibility and VP pick leads to a further bump up. The haathi convention is already over.

All her VP hopefuls are old white men. That is not going to help her much. Why wait till even 100 days or the donkey convention?!!! We will see the honeymoon bump become hole in next week itself.

MSM are backpedalling her being the "Border Czar" even though they themselves headlined when Biden appointed her to solve the influx into the US via the southern border. The most egregious claim till today is from Axios.

Midwest Americans are not stupid as opposed to the narrative popular in bicoastal sanctuary cities, especially among the elitists.

The US literacy rate is north of 99% and all of them access to internet and mobile phones. They can get their news from multiple sources and SM.

The word is that TikTok started flooding the SM space with puff piece videos of Harris to sway the American public sentiments. MSM is also listening to the CCP. CCP knows that Trump would be hard on them but Biden and Harris are quite soft. There is also this impending ban on TikTok unless CCP/China divests their interest in TiTok within a year or two (I forget how long they have been given). But there is an escape clause which allows the POTUS to delay at their discretion. The powers be at the Chinese propaganada machine AKA TikTok, think that Harris is biddable and hence the propaganda videos on TikTok and puff pieces on MSM.

It is an axiom that a US admin that is good for China is almost always bad for India

[Tanaji]

Exactly. They should vote for the one who is good for India. I posit that it is not Kamala Devi Harris. But they won't. They will go for "She is one of us. We want the first woman POTUS to be a PIO" and ofcourse their irrational love for DNC and attitude of having arrived and joining the elite circle of the Global Citizens.

That is where we, the Indian-American community, fail "bigly".

Why Saar ? They are Americans first and Indians later, so no one should judge them if they voted with their own interests in mind - be it the attitude you have mentioned. One hopes they vote for a candidate that is not an out and out supporter of peaceful as its an existential threat but that’s the extent one should expect from them…

Trump has muttered something about Christians not needing to vote every 4 years and federal immunity for all police officers. I hope he wins - US will be so preoccupied with itself during his presidency that it will have little time to play games in India. It would absolutely suck for the common US person though.

[Vayutuvan]

https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-byted ... ab821e5005

Justice Department says TikTok collected US user views on issues like abortion and gun control

@Tanaji ji, why are the Chinese interested in these two topics if not for spreading misinformation?!!!

snopes fact-checked belatedly that Trump never made that "There are good people on both sides" during Charleston chaos/riots/protests or whatever you call them.

Guess what? Snopes lost funding from Omidyar right away. Snopes had been used and discarded.

I don't buy this "Christians are going to run rough shod over all non-xtians" narrative. Elitists are more racist (they believe in Western Universalism) but they cover it up well. The rural redneck whites are just like any other rural folks - they are suspicious of strangers of any color.

[KL Dubey]

Why Saar ? They are Americans first and Indians later, so no one should judge them if they voted with their own interests in mind - be it the attitude you have mentioned. One hopes they vote for a candidate that is not an out and out supporter of peaceful as its an existential threat but that’s the extent one should expect from them....

Exactly correct. Why Americans should vote for "what is good for India" in this election is beyond me. Yes, Indian-Americans should identify the national issues most important to them and figure out whom to support. As far as I can see, key community issues for Indian-Americans in a presidential election are quality of education, intrusion of organized religion, and to some extent legal immigration bottlenecks and reproductive rights.

A lot of the actual "Hindu"-related issues are better addressed in congress/state/local elections. The demands and agenda should be calibrated for different elections, not the same all the time.

[KL Dubey]

All her VP hopefuls are old white men.

I have no interest in arguing the various opinions you wrote, but you're factually wrong on the above. Among the more likely picks, Kelly is the same age as Harris (60), whereas the other two - Shapiro (51) and Beshear (46) - are much younger. The outside candidate Cooper is 67, still a good decade younger than Bhaidanwa or Trump.

Another outside chance - Buttigieg (42) - is also very young, though I doubt a indian/black woman + gay white man ticket would fly.

Whitmer (52) is also younger, but says she is not interested. Again there is some doubt a two-woman ticket would fly, though Whitmer is very popular in Michigan.

[Vayutuvan]

Indian-Americans need India not the other way around. That is the reason why, all things being equal, they should vote for the presidential candidate who is better for India. They should vote their conscience in local/state elections but at the national level it is important to support Indian interests. That is what every other hyphenated community does. For example Arab-Americans of MI, Somali-Americans of MN. But we support the likes of Ro Khanna and Pramila Jayapal.

[Najunamar]

I agree with Vayutuvanji. Indian Americans will need to remember and take care of their roots/ancestral land, because when there is a mad scramble for resources they will surely be targeted. There will be no refuge other than Bharatha Desha at that time, while the rise is coming it can and will be delayed by concerted efforts of the WASPs.

[KL Dubey]

^^"Najunamar/Ramanujan" - That is certainly a good goal, but a presidential election vote is an ineffective route for that. Indian-Americans should be closely connected to their ancestral land and support Bharat with their words, wallet, time, effort. Voting should be done on practical issues that will strengthen Indian-American community so that they can better support themselves and their ancestral land.

The problem with Indian-Americans is that they tend to tack on to issues defined by others, both gadha and haathi, and are a confused lot generally.

[Vayutuvan]

All her VP hopefuls are old white men.

I have no interest in arguing the various opinions you wrote, ... a indian/black woman + gay white man ticket would fly.

Neither do I. Kelly is oldish whiteman for sure. Shapiro is jewish which is a problem in MI. Harris is always black first and Indian a distant second. Buttigieg's problems is not his gayness but his lack of experience - he was a mayor of a small town where a large number of AAs suffered due to contaminated drinking water - after all and his performance was not all that great as a Biden cabinet member.

I am very sure that Harris' numbers are going to fall unless GOP folks including JD Vance keep attacking her gender, her childlessness, and go total fundu pon abortions.

pakalaam.

[Vayutuvan]

^^"Najunamar/Ramanujan" - That is certainly a good goal, but a presidential election vote is an ineffective route for that. Indian-Americans should be closely connected to their ancestral land and support Bharat with their words, wallet, time, effort

The fact that these two goals are not mutually exclusive wouldn't have missed your mind professor ji.

What better self-interest than voting for the candidate who is going to keep the tax rates down for families earning less than USD 400K?!!! That is where a lot of Indian-Americans fall.

While Biden promised that h would not meddle with that if he won in 2024 - those rates are sunsetting in 2025 - Harris is sure to bump them up. She is SF progressive who wants to tax and spend on Green New deal (thankfully curtailed from the 10 trillion mad proposal of AOC), Medicaid for all, and healthcare for illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

[KL Dubey]

To date, actually they are mutually exclusive unless a presidential candidate directly addresses a key India issue positively or negatively. As of now, only Israel, Russia, and China matter in an election - not India directly. Which is probably good, given the circumstances of these other countries.

India will not appear as a competitive presidential election issue unless Indian-Americans organize behind the scenes for years and articulate the needs for "better US-India relations". First create a vote bloc before making up these stories of supporting India.

Yes, I thought it through before posting. You should too.

[KL Dubey]

What better self-interest than voting for the candidate who is going to keep the tax rates down for families earning less than USD 400K?!!! That is where a lot of Indian-Americans fall.

While Biden promised that h would not meddle with that if he won in 2024 - those rates are sunsetting in 2025 - Harris is sure to bump them up. She is SF progressive who wants to tax and spend on Green New deal (thankfully curtailed from the 10 trillion mad proposal of AOC), Medicaid for all, and healthcare for illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

Excellent. So you are indeed supporting my assertions, i.e. vote on practical issues that affect Indian-Americans, not vote for India. It seems odd to both disagree with my comments and then agree with them at the same time.

[KL Dubey]

For example, Bhaidanwa has given a direct benefit to the latino community by declaring that existing illegal alien spouses of US citizens (such people are mostly latino) will be regularized, i.e. no longer undocumented. This does not require any legislation, its an executive decision. A lot of people may disagree with this, but it is an example of a direct impact that will influence votes. Surely the latino lobbies would have worked for this over a period of time, it doesn't just happen randomly out of a sudden "goodness of heart" sentiment of Bhaidanwa.

On the other hand, Trump has claimed he will give green cards very fast to Indians, but upon closer analysis this is an empty claim - nothing will happen until legislation on removing country caps/quotas is passed. Such bills have failed many times in congress no matter whose goremint - there are always some holdouts (i.e., the Indian lobby, if any, has not cultivated these people). The fact that Trump's message said nothing specific about getting such a bill passed means that he knows very little about it.

Both these were discussed recently on BRF.

[Vayutuvan]

It seems odd to both disagree with my comments and then agree with them at the same time.

Not at all. Why is it odd? I am agreeing with your assertion that PIOs need to fatten their wallets while organizing themselves to aid India when the time comes. Deeper pockets mean the ability to make the politicos do our bidding. China does it well, Israel too does the same. Chinese don't have numbers but Americans are locked into cheap chinese goods. Israel is the only democracy and ally of the west in West Asia. Russia doesn't have anything to offer nor does India (other than taking away high-paying American jobs).

Yes I am agreeing with you on the point that we need to organize. Disagreeing on the point that we need wait till the US perceives India as a threat like they do China.

I too am thinking through, actually thought through and even implemented some of my ideas by putting my money where my mouth is, before posting.

I believe in practicing what I preach.

[Vayutuvan]

its an executive decision.

EOs come with an expiry date. Also, Latino-Americans are not very enthused about Harris. The reason Biden did this is to shore up his slacking support from the Latino community. AAs might be coming back to Harris, but Latinos are still a They are Catholic and not favorably disposed towards SF progressives like Harris and Newsome or the squad.

[ramana]

Having become a superpower after World War II and the end of the Cold War, the US is now facing anxiety about its status with the rise of China and India.
They want to use India to check China's rise but don't want India to get too powerful.
In Pual Kennedy's words, the superpower has become a great power and is forced to use a balanced power strategy.

[chetak]

In the meanwhile, mylapore maami's ratings are apparently falling due to various reasons, and that needs the democrats to show a united front

Not sure where you are getting these reports from.

mylapore maami has a rather colourful past that doesn't jell well with many women folk, her savage treatment of blacks in her precious avatar has not been forgotten, making the blacks, specially the men, resentful of her.

Not many Indian folks are flocking to her, she has always identified as black for obvious political and reasons of faith, having leveraged both so far, in her amoral "bash on regardless" eagerness to promote herself while milking the system for all it's worth.

tik tok is "promoting" her, which means bad news, both for amrika and India

One certainly does not rely on packaged and gussied up polls to try and see through the smokescreens. Plenty of media reportage available to see the currently vague figure just about starting to take shape, and its still a long way to go...

we made this almost fatal mistake in India 2024 elections and nearly paid the price for placing over reliance on poll data, which is slanted, paid for or just plain lies which are more often than not, formulated and concocted artfully to launch and nurture a preferred narrative

KL Dubey ji, we are on the outside, watching the long caravan passing by and in the fullness of time, all will be revealed, no

[KL Dubey]

Not sure where you are getting these reports from.

mylapore maami has a rather colourful past that doesn't jell well with many women folk, her savage treatment of blacks in her precious avatar has not been forgotten, making the blacks, specially the men, resentful of her.

So I guess you didn't get these "apparent reports" from anywhere, which is all I asked. We all understand that polls are not accurate, but a trend is a trend. That's all.

[KL Dubey]

its an executive decision.

EOs come with an expiry date. Also, Altino-Americans are not very enthused about Harris. The reason Bind did this is to shore up his slacking support from the Latino community. AAs might be coming back to Harris, but Latinos are still a They are Catholic and not favorably disposed towards SF progressives like Harris and Newsome or the squad.

My post wasn't an opinion about how the US election is shaping up. I just presented information/facts.

I'm not supporting/criticizing this decision. I used it as an example of tangible benefits that are verifiable and shown to work. Indian-Americans should be forming a bloc targeting such tangible things.

As for the decision itself: it is not an ongoing facility for illegals to marry US citizens and then get regularized. Its a one-time opportunity for people who got married before June 2024 and can prove they were in the US for 10 years. Similar to the CAA in India.

There are supposedly about 500,000 such people. Assuming their US citizen families/friend/communities will view it positively, this will directly influence at least 1-1.5 million voters in relevant states. Given that Bhaidanwa won the toss-up states by narrowest of margins (I think <100,000 votes total in these states), this could be significant. Note that the actual illegals being regularized will not become US citizens anytime soon and will not vote in this election.

[KL Dubey]

It seems odd to both disagree with my comments and then agree with them at the same time.

Not at all.

....

I believe in practicing what I preach.

This post makes no sense at all and is irrelevant.

[chetak]

mylapore maami has a rather colourful past that doesn't jell well with many women folk, her savage treatment of blacks in her precious avatar has not been forgotten, making the blacks, specially the men, resentful of her.

So I guess you didn't get these "apparent reports" from anywhere, which is all I asked. We all understand that polls are not accurate, but a trend is a trend. That's all.

Dubey ji,

Not arguing or even disagreeing with you. Just putting out another POV for consideration onlee

currently there are multiple trends jostling for attention, as there will always be, at the start of any race

eventually there will be a shakeout, some will fall by the wayside and some will start to dominate. The closer one gets to the election date, the clearer the trends will become and hopefully, the stronger and the more desired narratives will start to crystalize, and it may well be a hostile narrative that will eventually dominate, like what happened in UP to almost upset the apple cart.

All the polls went one way and the most dominant trend went the other way, missed by all. The pollsters were so engrossed in their own spin that they all missed the big picture on the ground.

For god's sake, there were two big opposition parties that were distributing mobile phones in UP and some northern states, like children's candy

The politicos followed blindly because they were being sold exactly what they believed in and also specifically what they all wanted to hear.

In the US , the phones will be dominated by big data SM companies which have already started to lie in a barefaced manner