Shooting in Wisconsin Sikh Gurudwara

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 Aug 2012 00:44

7 dead, including shooter.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Aug 2012 00:50

http://myfox8.com/2012/08/05/shooting-a ... -one-dead/
Its all over on TV
Gunman, six others dead at Wisconsin Sikh temple

OAK CREEK, Wis. — At least seven people, including a gunman shot by a police officer, have been killed in an attack on worshippers at a Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, Wisconsin, on Sunday, police said.The officer was wounded but “returned fire, and that shooter was put down,” said Bradley Wentlandt, the police chief in nearby Greenfield, who briefed reporters. Investigators who picked through the building afterward found four bodies inside the temple and two other victims outside, plus the gunman, Wentlandt said.Though early reports had suggested there may have been more than one attacker, he said officers had not identified any other gunmenThe wounded officer, a 20-year veteran, was in surgery Sunday afternoon after being shot multiple times, but was expected to survive, Wentlandt said. He was sent to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, south of Milwaukee, after a 911 call about 10:25 a.m. (11:25 a.m. ET).Carolyn Bellin, a spokeswoman for Milwaukee’s Froedtert Hospital, said one of three men brought there from the incident was in surgery early Sunday morning, while another was in the surgical intensive care unit. The third was being evaluated in the emergency room. All three were in critical condition.The temple has a congregation of 250 to 400, according to its website.“I just want to say this temple was built a number of years ago and there have never been any problems with this temple,” Oak Creek Alderman Dan Jakubczyk said. “They’ve been a plus to this city and to my district.”

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 06 Aug 2012 00:56

Amardeep Kaleka, a member of the temple whose mother and father were inside at the time of the shooting, told WISN that there were multiple shooters and it was a "well-coordinated" attack.

fast updates:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/0 ... 44256.html

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2012 01:23

Second shooter is still not sighted. But at large

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 Aug 2012 01:24

Police say they have done a few sweeps and think there was only 1 gunman but that things were still fluid. Early reports said that a gunman (or more) may have escaped. One person said the gunman/gunmen was/were "Caucasian". The cop who confronted and killed one gunman outside the Gurudwara received multiple gunshot wounds.

3 including cop critical in hospital with multiple wounds to face and extremities. People allowed to leave gurudwara now. Early reports said about 30 people were shot with "several bodies visible in the parking lot".

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 06 Aug 2012 01:32

10:25 am police got a 911 call. they did not understand the caller. they sent a single policeman. he engaged a shooter and killed him. but was injured in the process.

brave guy that policeman.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 06 Aug 2012 01:34

3 of the priests dead

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 06 Aug 2012 01:38

see live coverage from local media...
http://fox6now.com/on-air/live-streaming/

folks offered food and water to media. media impressed by that.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 06 Aug 2012 01:56

One of the terrorists is a caucasian male in his 30's.
The Gurudwara had a priest come specially from India for the occasion.
This same temple has been the target of hate crimes before.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Aug 2012 02:08

One policeman shot and killed the shooter, despite suffering multiple gunshot wounds himself. Brave policeman saved a lot of lives.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Aug 2012 02:21

CNN was still debating whether it was a terrorist attack or not. I guess it is terrorism only if a non-white is the perpetrator.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 06 Aug 2012 02:22

Terrorism as opposed to hate crime.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Aug 2012 02:47

KJoishy wrote:CNN was still debating whether it was a terrorist attack or not. I guess it is terrorism only if a non-white is the perpetrator.

It is not a hate crime. That guy had "mental problems."

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2012 04:29

The killer had a tatoo with 911 on his body.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 04:54

Live streaming at
http://fox6now.com/on-air/live-streaming/
They have IDed the perp but the name is not going to be released by the TV channel until the police give the go ahead. Police in a neighborhood of Cudahy near Oak Creek - looks like the perp's home is there. Two blocks are cordoned off and people evacuated from one block. Holmes avenue is shut down.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 04:58

Several police cars on Holmes Ave, Cudahy. There are FBI vehicles, and an armored vehicle and an ambulance on stand-by. This is supposed to be the house where the suspect lived. 3700 block on Holmes Ave. (?). The area has been evac'd 2 hours back. Some of the people around area have been told to stay indoors. Either they are looking for clues or there could be other people involved. Started around 4:25 PM.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:01

They have put up a crime scene tape around the house.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:02

Suspect moved to Cudahy very recently - probably in July.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Aug 2012 05:06

Condolences to the families of the victims. was there any special occasion in the Gurdwara today? if so, the police should investigate the possibility of planning this massacre for a long time. usually, if attack happens on important occasions, it means he/she planned it out for a long time and chose the "right" timing to inflict maximum psychological trauma.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:17

Hazardous device unit from Milwaukee police pulled up into 3700 block of Holmes Ave. Why the unit is there. 5 different agencies inviolved - FBI, ATF, Milwaukee Police, Cudahy Police and one more.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:18

Condolences to the families of the victims from me also.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 06 Aug 2012 05:22

KJoishy wrote:CNN was still debating whether it was a terrorist attack or not. I guess it is terrorism only if a non-white is the perpetrator.

Please no. Don't go down this road. Be a mensch.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 06 Aug 2012 05:27

This is so sad for everyone. My condolences to all of the families affected by this terrible act of terrorism.

Since 9/11, too many people of Indian origin have been harassed, attacked and murdered. A general travel warning should be placed by the GoI for all Indians who travel to the US.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:28

Suspect is a former miltary member who moved to Cudahy in July from NC.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Aug 2012 05:47

CNN said that it was he birthday of a small child and there were celebrations for that reason.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 05:53

Just now the Police Chief of Oak Creek in press conference. No info on the demographics, no information on the suspect as it is ongoing criminal investigation, though fox6 said that he is a former military man and moved into Oak Creek area sometime in July from NC. They also say that the alleged shooter had a fight with the girl friend and extremely upset.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 06:02

KJoishy wrote:CNN said that it was he birthday of a small child and there were celebrations for that reason.

Police chief refused to confirm the above in the press briefing.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2012 06:40

KJoishy wrote:CNN was still debating whether it was a terrorist attack or not. I guess it is terrorism only if a non-white is the perpetrator.

I shed a silent tear for the families affected. When someone across a border attacks you, it is terrorism. When someone whom you call your own attacks someone from across a border, it is a fight for freedom.

People with off-white skins and dark beards are killing Americans, and US patriots are fighting back to protect freedom.

Security checks are required for for multiplex movie theaters and some temples in India. A childhood friend of mine old who later became a relative by marriage had once mocked airline security in India by comparing with the ability to walk in freely in US airports in the 1990s.

But the US is a far safer place than India no? Lots of people who say they know India and America tell me that. I am sure statistics are available. Let me state one of the most sick jokes I have heard over the years. People keep theorizing that video games where players are required to shoot and kill are creating a mindset that finds the idea of mass killing attractive. What is so sick about this is that a lot of the cheering I hear about mass killing that comes from America is mass killing and America's power to kill its enemies en masse. Expressions like "rolling thunder" and "highway of death" where designated enemies of America have been exterminated in large numbers are cheered with the Star Spangled Banner or hard rock playing in the background. Youtube videos of machine gun fire, or even PGMs are shown taking out groups of men or vehicles are used as triumphant examples of what happens to you when you "mess with America". Mass killing is actually cheered and celebrated by the USA in the name of patriotism and freedom.

Massacring blacks in the US was well known just a few decades ago within the lifetime of my grandfather, and blacks are now a dhimmified group in the US. Here you have a case of plain racism that will be passed off as the act of a psychopath The word "psychopath" is the proto-Indo-Germanic word for "person with bad thoughts". One man will get arrested and it will be called "justice" A gun can never kill on its own. People kill people. So you must not eliminate guns. Eliminating people is sometimes required.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Aug 2012 07:09

such a sad incident. kudos to the cop who shot the terrorist although it would have been better if he was alive.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 07:22

Shiv ji, please see the live stream link I posted. Respectfully, people are really not as insensitive as you are making them out to be.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 06 Aug 2012 07:28

Firstly my condolences to the families who lost near and dear. The place of worship has been desecrated, innocents have lost precious life. Very sad and I at a loss to express my grief....

While all this was happening the lone brave police officer did his Dharma of protecting the innocents who sought help.

So there is still vestige of righteous, honor and duty bound who are even while losing the battle against the evil are standing up for a fight.

My prayers and thoughts extend to that law official family which lost its father, son, husband, brother

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2012 07:32

matrimc wrote:Shiv ji, please see the live stream link I posted. Respectfully, people are really not as insensitive as you are making them out to be.

Actually I have lots of observations on the intense insensitivity that exists, but I will make them elsewhere in great detail. This incident just raked up thoughts that cannot be expressed in Twitter style one liners.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Aug 2012 07:34

Fair enough. But I would like you to account for the actions of the police officer in your write-up.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 06 Aug 2012 07:47

kudos to the police officer - hope he recovers fully.

partha · Post by **partha** » 06 Aug 2012 07:49

Very sad. My condolences to the affected families.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Aug 2012 07:59

Guys, I am not in US at the moment, and so I won't be able to give you the subtle condescending, white-racism exonerating media coverage of this massacre, but someone already gave me a hint. By calling it "terrorism" instead what it is, a hate crime, there is a subtle attempt to make this out to be something alien, "oh someone de-ranged", "not one of us" kind of crap. I know how Sikhs and Muslims (and Hindus and Buddhists, notwithstanding US pomposity in embracing the Dalai Lama) are treated and the contempt with which religions other than Christianity and Judaisam are held at, but unlike the case where if such a massacre took place in India, you won't have "freedom house" or "human rights watch" issue religious freedom BS reports. To me, it does seem like some racist mistaking Sikhs for Muslims (not that killing of Muslims is justified) went on the rampage.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Aug 2012 07:59

They are discussing what is the difference between Sikhism and Hinduism.
The anchor is getting many opinions and he is trying to get clarification. Very interesting

HAF should show solidarity with the Sikhs and the Sikh Federation

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 06 Aug 2012 08:08

pentaiah wrote:........

My prayers and thoughts extend to that law official family which lost its father, son, husband, brother

he is alive and expected to survive.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 06 Aug 2012 08:17

It seems after the 1st officer got hit, a 2nd officer returned fire killing the terrorist.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Aug 2012 08:19

matrimc wrote:Fair enough. But I would like you to account for the actions of the police officer in your write-up.

No No. I won't be writing about this particular incident and probably not even on BRF. The presence of good and bad individuals is well known to everyone without a cursory hypocritical nod at a man who did his duty. My interest is in cultural and social norms that are designated as good and bad in societies. Not even for BRF this time.