Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2011 15:11

saadhak ji,

I'm sorry if my response sounded critical. Thank you for your response. I agree with the gist of your sentiments. However I disagree in their application in this case, and that the issue is off-topic. We are dealing with the current evolution and future scenarios in Pakistan.

Some of my past posts on this issue:

1) economic disparity

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RajeshA wrote:
partha wrote:I am for Big Boss 5 with Paki chicks and Yindoo men. That will put whole of Pak on fire.
Perhaps time for catalog RAPE brides from Pakistan, hand delivered to an address in India, all pretrained in Gayatri Mantra!

Pratyush wrote:Mail order paki brides. This is L&M material.

Pratyush ji,
The Indian Economic Juggernaut should keep on rolling, as Pakistani economy tanks. Give it another decade, and we will see, Pakistani families willing to give away their daughters to Indian men, and not just Muslims, but to the most kaffir of men, so that some monthly "stipend" back to their families in Pakistan, keeps them afloat.

If India can ensure, that the Islamists in Pakistan do not succeed in closing off all avenues of Bollywood entertainment coming in into Pakistan, and the people-to-people contact can continue, then that is the logical conclusion. Once it becomes a trickle, it becomes a stream. Once it becomes a stream, it becomes a flood. All Pakistanis are about to become our saale.
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2) Situation in Pak

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Gagan wrote:The realilty of Sialkot:
(maika of sania mirza)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRkSxjaEWI

This is the town which used to be the center of their leather industry, football export, and surgical instruments.

ensoi.

Similar stories ringing across all town and cities of Pakistan. But why are the people so agitated, they are a wahid ismali nuclear power kyon ji?

Gagan ji,
you mean Sania Mirza's Sasural!

At 1:40 he says that his friend came calling and due to poverty he did not know how to marry off his daughters. Can no BRFite rise to the occasion and make Pakistan his Sasural!

Less women for Pakis to use as factories.

The Pakistanis should wait another few years. India which has a skewed gender ratio would be more than happy to buy up, I mean marry all the women Pakistan has to offer! Every saala would get pocket money for the whorehouse, I mean the goat zoo!

That would be the biggest change in Indo-Pak relations when India becomes rich again, and Pakistan keeps on digging its grave! There will be even more love across the boundary!

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saadhak wrote:As far as love and starting a family goes, I do think it should be delinked with heaping humiliation on the enemy.

I agree with you completely. But I also think that the issue is very much delinked. It could be that one or the other BRFite may have mentioned it in that context, something I may have missed, and thereby created a link, however just because someone opines that link, does not mean that such a link should necessarily exist.

We in India have a paucity of women, and were Pakistanis be willing to marry off their daughters to Indians, why should we object. It is not as if we are kidnapping their women, or buying them as slaves to work, or abusing them as sex-slaves, or killing off their men-folk and taking them as war-booty! No, we are not doing that! Something like may indeed be humiliation. But just marrying their women is not a humiliation. I would even call it an honor we are bestowing upon the Pakistanis.

Both sides get something from it. The Pakistani side of the family gets some monthly financial support and survive, and the Indian family gets a bahu.

At a strategic level, it would be taking away the Paki Breeding Factories, which is in fact how the women are used there. There is a population explosion going on in Pakistan, and such a move on a larger scale can moderate that. In fact, from this perspective, no amount of Pakistani women we Indians marry can be enough. Indians would be doing a national duty should they marry a Pakistani woman, and thereby stop her from breeding more India-hating Jihadis. In fact, it is a valid means of managing Pakistan's failure.

saadhak wrote:I don't think this is a humiliation to them. Even if it is, it is much less than doing a barbarian on their women.

Again, I would like to point out that marrying a woman can hardly be considered barbarian.

saadhak wrote:Certain posts in other threads have also talked about forecefully taking their women.

This is something I missed. On second thoughts, I too may have suggested that, but that is in a case where the Pakistanis attack India with nuclear weapons, in which case all bets are off anyway. But other than that, I am not aware of anybody suggesting we forcefully take their women.

saadhak wrote:Our morals and value systems and models whom we are taught to emulate unambigously state women are to be respected. I'll leave it at that.

And that is exactly what we are doing by taking their women as wives and not sex-slaves.

saadhak wrote:As far as social systems go, I highly doubt you would have Paki women enmasse to start suddenly embracing our culture given their background and upbringing.

Usually when some people consider migrating to other countries for the sake of studies or jobs, they often undertake exams and courses to prepare them for what awaits them, especially if the migration land has a different language and culture. So there are ways and means of preparing them. If courses are not available, one can just pack them on DVDs and the Pakistani women can get training on them.

As far as motivation is concerned, IMO, if their families are hungry and living foot to mouth, then there would be reason for them to send their daughters to India and get a son-in-law willing to support them. Such families would in fact encourage their daughters to get the necessary preparation and training to be considered an acceptable wife and daughter-in-law.

The Pakistanis however have to first become conscious of this "opportunity".

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 11 Jun 2011 15:13

i didn't find the video all that disturbing - don't know why. perhaps after reading all the opinions on BRF i was expecting something dramatic. but it wasn't - it was callous and cruel and mundane... 'a worthless life, snuffed out effortlessly'. i always found that south vietnamese shooting to be far more disturbing, maybe watching it before made me more immune to sentiment...

something i do find interesting is the number of videos emerging from pakistan of newsmen filming shootings, beatings, rape attempts and the policewallas speaking openly to camera. they rarely try to stop the cameramen - which is something that is quite normal in conflict zones

is it that they don't understand the power of news? or they don't fear it? or they assume that cameras are there because the jarnails have approved of it?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 11 Jun 2011 15:15

Hari Seldon wrote:Thanks for the multiple warnings on here, I'll avoid that shooting video.

Of course, taking of human life being tragic and all that and how I would personally condone it etc. Having put that disclaimer down, Pak going down is good news only for the civilized world. Of course, human life is precious etc, don't get me wrong and all. Still, Pak in civil war that neuters its ability to export terror to India is not a bad thing at all.

IMO, India, while talking to Pak over chai-biskoot etc needs to figure how to speed the process of poki disintegration. Am sure there're multiple way we an help (apart from sending dossiers, of course). At the very least,w e shouldn't interfere when pak commits harakiri. Will is all we need to not do that.

I am sure that's the right thing to do. Disintegration is the most natural and predictable consequence of the TSP . It would take extraordinary efforts to prevent it. But it is simpler and more beneficial to catalyze this inevitability . A team of psychologists , sociologists and statisticians can help in determining the steps that can be taken to hasten the dissolution. (ie a selective use of assassinations , propaganda and psy ops in order to achieve the final consequence). I am sure that the CIA must have done something of this sort to trigger the dissolution of USSR. It is amazing how small social manipulations can achieve massive goals. One must remember that behavior of a large group of people is always predictable . It is the extraordinary actions of single individuals that is unpredictable and uncontrollable . It is those we must be careful of.

I believe this quote "Do not let your sense of morals stop you from doing what is right." would ring bells in your mind. I wish the Indian policymakers implement it with respect to TSP.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 11 Jun 2011 15:33

^^ Rajesh saar , which paki chick are u smitten by

? By the way skewed sex ratio is a temporary problem. I am sure that with further social development we ll get on with it. Our immigration policy should not be different from the Americans. We ll only welcome skilled immigrants who can add value to our country. Trust me several their will be several russian women and women from the CIS (erstwhile soviet colonies) who would be more than willing to marry Indians once our economic juggernaut gets rolling. (they are already top of the market in flesh trade industry.) These women have had a secular upbringing . Besides USSR had several great scientists , sport persons and chess players. These chicks would have far better gene pool to pass on to your offsprings than these NAPAKIS . Since the napakis interbreed prolifically their is a stagnation of their gene pool . (this is a scientific fact and not GILGITSTANI GENETICS)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2011 16:00

gakakkad wrote:^^ Rajesh saar , which paki chick are u smitten by ?

gakakkad ji,

I'm off the market!

I'm just thinking of my bhai-bandhu in desh!

gakakkad wrote:By the way skewed sex ratio is a temporary problem. I am sure that with further social development we ll get on with it.

10s of millions of Indian men will not find a partner, and mostly these Indians would be the poorer ones. The situation is very very dire, and it will take generations for the problem to be resolved.

gakakkad wrote:Our immigration policy should not be different from the Americans. We ll only welcome skilled immigrants who can add value to our country.

That is fine but does not solve the problem of missing brides.

gakakkad wrote:Trust me several their will be several russian women and women from the CIS (erstwhile soviet colonies) who would be more than willing to marry Indians once our economic juggernaut gets rolling. (they are already top of the market in flesh trade industry.) These women have had a secular upbringing . Besides USSR had several great scientists , sport persons and chess players.

gakakkad ji,

Having several years of experience with women from the region, I do concur with you.

Even after marriage, I've had Uzbek girls cornering and inviting me to watch bollywood movies with them, with my wife wondering what the whole thing was all about! One girlfriend of mines had to drag a Russian girl, who had been pestering me to teach her Hindi and English, away from me and introduce her to another Indian. The Indian and the Russian are now married with kids.

Anyway that is beside the point. We need the poorer strata of Indians to also be able to find wives and settle down and have their families, and this demand cannot be fulfilled by a few girls from ex-Soviet Union. Besides the Pakistani women through their language and TV viewership already know a lot about Indian families. They just need some Dharmic training and they are ready to go!

gakakkad wrote:These chicks would have far better gene pool to pass on to your offsprings than these NAPAKIS . Since the napakis interbreed prolifically their is a stagnation of their gene pool . (this is a scientific fact and not GILGITSTANI GENETICS)

When the Pakistani women start breeding with Indians again, the problem of a closed gene pool would be resolved.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 11 Jun 2011 16:09

>>Trust me several their will be several russian women and women from the CIS (erstwhile soviet colonies) who would be more than willing to marry Indians once our economic juggernaut gets rolling. (they are already top of the market in flesh trade industry.) These women have had a secular upbringing .

In general, it would be best to avoid such stereotyping unless the arguments are backed up by facts. As a matter of fact, our economic juggernaut is already rolling, and I'm yet to see any statistic suggesting a disproportionate representation of former USSR females among those marrying Indians. There is no indication that women from other poor countries would be more reluctant to marry Indians as the juggernaut continues rolling.

Will be happy to see some real data though, if it is available.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 11 Jun 2011 16:45

Oh my, never thought BR would come down to this ...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2011 16:56

^^^ L&M thread maybe a better place to diss-cuss the intricacies of the issue, perhaps...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2011 17:05

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ L&M thread maybe a better place to diss-cuss the intricacies of the issue, perhaps...

There are many angles to it.

Cutting down the potential of Packees to produce ever more India-hating jihadis is one aspect, which does not really belong in the L&M thread.
The aspect that the Pakistani dekho-no-money is soon to be in free-fall, and would in fact facilitate the catalog bride market, also probably is not something one would put in the L&M thread.
How Indians go about setting up this channel for importing brides in a conservative anti-India society is another challenge, that may not belong in the L&M thread.
Using the institution of marriage with Pakistani women as a means of establishing networks there and recruiting Pakistanis to do protect India's national interests there is another aspect.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 11 Jun 2011 17:32

RajeshA,

I'm not discussing the merits or otherwise of what you are saying. I am objecting to bringing in a specific subset of women into the picture and letting that stereotype be perpetuated on BRF. Hence my request to whoever brings this subject up to put up data. Otherwise we are being unfair and unjust to the women in the countries mentioned above; and we would ourselves be guilty of cack-handedness and insensitivity, something which we frequently accuse non-Indians of when they talk about things Indian.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 11 Jun 2011 17:41

Can we please take the discussion on managing porki women elsewhere? Maybe to the Managing Pakistan's failure thread or better still the Love and marriage nukkad dhaaga! This has become too OT on this thread.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2011 17:48

JE Menon saar,

As I said here, the women of ex-Soviet Union are not the issue here, at least not on this thread, and I just mentioned that in passing in a response. I also did not propagate here any stereotype, and my few personal examples were just examples and not a generalized statement. I am also not too keen on further discussing how Russian goris find Indian men.

The issue here was ONLY about the downward evolution of the Pakistani state and society, and whether that would lead to a demand to marry off their daughters and sisters to Indian men and whether there will be a demand for Pakistani women from the Indian side.

Basically I look at this from the PoV of decreasing the runaway birth rate of Pakistanis. Should the phenomenon of cross-country marriages kick off in a big way, the demand for wives in India coupled with Indian money can mean a wholesale suctioning off of women from Pakistan. A prospect which also solves many strategic problems for India.

And as we are talking about the coming future, there are no statistics I can provide about that!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Jun 2011 17:54

RajeshA ji,

Lest you misconstrue my words, I agree with your thoughts on the issue. Riding moralistic high-horses while downplaying practical crises that can be discerned as coming down the line hasn't exactly been unknown in this great land of ours as can be seen from some posts piling on here and there.

Building honorable marriage bonds is also what I advocate, not as some have sought to perhaps portray, pushing innocent people (yes, pak ones too can be innocent, after a fashion) into forced anything. But people see what they want to see and go on and on about it. Fine, I guess.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jun 2011 17:56

Lalmohan wrote:i didn't find the video all that disturbing - don't know why.

Did you watch the older guy who is close to the camera? His back is initially towards the camera. He pulls out a pistol, ready to shoot - but pulls back in an instinctive protective reflex with the first shot an turns. When he turs he is holding up his left hand in a way that a person would hold an injured hand - but on close study that hand seemed no where in the path of the bullet and it was not fired by him. Weird.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Jun 2011 18:08

Hari Seldon ji,

I was quite sure we are of the same opinion on this.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 11 Jun 2011 18:09

The Paki Supreme Court is a joke! First they issued a judgement demanding the immediate removal of DG Sindh Ranger and Karachi Police cheif, later they amended it to a "transfer within 3 days" like that makes much of a difference to them! There are some reports that have suggested that 'Awaaz TV' crew was filming the entire murder, if that is the case,the killer no doubt did it put on a show for TV crew how "Ghazi-brand tough" they are by executing an unarmed,hapless youngman in coldblood.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 11 Jun 2011 18:11

RajeshA ji, FYI you can mail order your Paki bride right away if you want(albeit only if you are a Muslim). Just go to the matrimonial section of the TOI-let and search for "Aman ki Asha" (like its more infamous namesake this is also a joint venture with the Jung, and if am not mistaken predates it) in the "Grooms wanted" section. You will also find in the "Brides wanted" a similar section but only much smaller. Of course one can speculate as to why as to more Paki parents are interested in marry off their daughters to Indians than have their sons marry an Indian.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 11 Jun 2011 18:32

RajeshA ji, thank you for the detailed response.
I appreciate your optimism, solution oriented thinking and hope in Pakis seeing the light one day and willingly offering to build relations across the border. I honestly think they have gone too far for this to happen.
Lest I be accused of sermonising and taking the moral high ground, will end from my side knowing that in the end, we are all on the same side onlee.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Jun 2011 18:40

Arrest warrant for Musharraf issued

An anti-terrorism court (ATC) in Rawalpindi has issued arrest warrant against former president General (rtd) Pervaiz Musharraf in Benazir Bhutto’s (BB) murder case, Geo News reported Saturday.

ATC issued permanent non-bailable arrest warrant against former president and ordered to submit details of his movable and immovable property in the court.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 11 Jun 2011 18:56

Uncle tried to kiss and made up with TSP after OBL killing by sharing intelligence on Taliban bomb and training facilities. Result: same as before, Taliban are tipped off and escape before raids by TSP. Today's Washington Post:

New challenge for U.S.-Pakistan ties

Twice in recent weeks, the United States provided Pakistan with the specific locations of insurgent bomb-making factories, only to see the militants learn their cover had been blown and vacate the sites before military action could be taken, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
Overhead surveillance video and other information was given to Pakistani officials in mid-May, officials said, as part of a trust-building effort by the Obama administration after the killing of Osama bin Laden in a U.S. raid early last month. But Pakistani military units that arrived at the sites in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan on June 4 found them abandoned

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kar ... ml?hpid=z1

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 11 Jun 2011 19:21

Just had a vacuum bulb explosion in my musharrraf

resulting in the following. TSP can royally screw India even in its deathbed. which can last decades or even forever to the ultimate delight of the outside powers.

TSP is an artificial entity solely for the purpose of keeping India in check- an entity to keep India preoccupied in its neighbourhood, prevent its control of IOR. It is too large a country to keep in check by outside powers hence the division.
Easiest means to achieve this was simple- create animosity amongst the religious abduls causing partition.

As Shiv says - it is India's failure causing pakistaniyat life to ebb which in turn is making its benefactors grandiose scheme to fail(in the process of failure).

With increasing passage of time, TSP descent into chaos is a surety. Theo Fidel has said it is difficult to keep the refugees away from our borders. Shiv has highlighted how things can be done to open sealed borders to allow refugees inside India.

RajaRam says-

While the rise of India is irreversible, they will try their best to "manage" the rise to suit their objectives and "manage" India. How we as a nation cope with this is upto us alone.

Even on its deathbed , TSP and its handlers will try to extract maximum advantage to screw India.

The dissolution of this entity cannot be handled without India. Not many have realized this in these benefactor states. They suffer from two fundamental illusions:

1. The state of pakistan can be kept alive, just short of total collapse and made to serve useful purpose, that includes being a check and impediment to the rise of India.

2. That the state of pakistan is only directed against India and does not pose any threat for them.

TSP has no other purpose except to keep India in check.
The above 2 has been in vogue eversince its creation. However it is growing beyond its requirements-
a) TSP is descending into chaos , hence failing to keep India in check.
b) TSP has started attacking the western world rather than India.

Their policies and actions based on these will come to roost when the descent into chaos happens fully. They cannot handle that on their own and neither can they just abandon and leave.(Yes) A resurgent and confident India will have to be approached by these very powers. (No, outside powers will not do,other than pressuring India to take in abduls)

India will have to be ready for that eventuality and must have in place, plans for the displaced people of pakistan. It will have to be India that acts and creates safe havens inside the territory currently controlled by this entity and not in India proper. It has to be India that will have to lead the final arrangements of post Pakistan scenario. (this is what scares the most with RAPES/WKKS with outside powers screwing India)

As everything is failing, If the TSP and its handlers in final push to screw India, decide to merge with India in the hope that with merger 180 + million abduls will roam India pissing inside rather than outside. This can be a a truly masterstroke from TSPians handlers.
The power is with TSPA/RAPE class. They can make a treaty with India with all powers with TSPA/RAPES- army, local laws etc in TSP- but economically tied with India.They will get integrated easily into the DIE/SLIME class in India.
They care only for themselves and their power. They will strengthen the power of WKKs in India.

The remaining 180+ million abduls will feast on India. Many are beyond redemption because of 60 years of indoctrination.
It is something like letting lose mutant rats inside your home. The rats are not killed by rat poison.
No kanadian vizza but free India.
How will India tackle this.

wondering Is this a realistic scenario.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 11 Jun 2011 19:55

http://tribune.com.pk/story/185179/targ ... aisalabad/
Targeting minorities: No friend to Ahmadis in Faisalabad
FAISALABAD:
Pamphlets labelling members of the Ahmadiyya community “Wajibul Qatl” (‘liable to be murdered’), and inciting people to publicly attack followers of the faith, are being openly and widely circulated in Punjab’s textile industry hub Faisalabad, The Express Tribune has learnt.
Even more startling is the fact that the pamphlet contains a list of names of Ahmadi industrialists, doctors and businesses. The first name is that of a cloth house, three owners of which were gunned down in a brazen attack last year.
The pamphlets bear the name of the All-Pakistan Students Khatm-e-Nubuwat Federation and are being handed out at all main shopping plazas and important commercial centres of the city.
The pamphlet says: “To shoot such people is an act of jihad and to kill such people is an act of sawab.”
Comments section is interesting. Apologies if already posted.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1JSEIR.DTL
Insurgents get away after U.S. tips to Pakistan
Twice in recent weeks, the United States provided Pakistan with the specific locations of insurgent bomb-making factories, only to see the militants learn their cover had been blown and vacate the sites before military action could be taken, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials.
Overhead surveillance video and other information was given to Pakistani officials in mid-May, officials said, as part of a trust-building effort by the Obama administration after the killing of Osama bin Laden in a U.S. raid earlier in the month. But Pakistani military units that arrived at the sites in the tribal areas of North and South Waziristan on June 4 found them abandoned.
U.S. officials are concerned that either the information was inadvertently leaked inside Pakistan or that insurgents were warned directly by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI.
A senior Pakistani military official said Friday that the United States had also shared information about other sites, including weapons-storage facilities, that were similarly found empty. "There is a suspicion that perhaps there was a tip-off," the official said. "It's being looked into by our people, and certainly anybody involved will be taken to task.
Gautam

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Jun 2011 19:57

Pakistan mull Zimbabwe as host for SL series
Zimbabwe? Why Zimbabwe, you ask? Why not a "home series" in SL? or UAE or NZ? Read on for the answer...

Pakistan are considering Zimbabwe as a potential 'host' for the home series against Sri Lanka later this year.

In 2009-10, Pakistan played a 'home' series against New Zealand in New Zealand, though financially the trip wasn't a success.

The PCB also asked Sri Lanka Cricket in May, "for their views" on the prospect of playing the series in Pakistan - at the insistence of the Pakistan government. However, that offer was swiftly rebuffed.

The UAE is another option, having hosted a succession of Pakistan's limited-overs commitments over the last three years and last October, a full series, including Tests, against South Africa. Authorities in the UAE are keen for Pakistan to sign a long-term agreement with them to host their 'home' matches, something the PCB is unwilling to do currently because they believe it pushes the prospect of a return of international cricket to Pakistan further back.

The financial aspects of a 'host' venue have increasingly become a concern for the board; sponsorship opportunities may be greater in the UAE but the costs of hosting the series itself are likely to be much higher than Sri Lanka, for example, where marketing potential is relatively limited.

Hence,

We are looking at the costs right now of hosting a series in Zimbabwe

AoA! That news will excite many pakis living in Zimbabwe and surrounding countries.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Jun 2011 20:04

g.sarkar wrote:Targeting minorities: No friend to Ahmadis in Faisalabad

Which one of you BRFites wrote this comment?

It is a bit ironic that the Ahmediya community was at the forefront in the demand for a separate muslim nation because they felt that they would be oppressed if they live in a secular country with a Hindu majority (i.e., India). Ahmadiyas wanted to live in a hardline muslim country and I guess now the chickens have come home to roost.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 11 Jun 2011 20:06

shiv wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:i didn't find the video all that disturbing - don't know why.
Did you watch the older guy who is close to the camera? His back is initially towards the camera. He pulls out a pistol, ready to shoot - but pulls back in an instinctive protective reflex with the first shot an turns. When he turs he is holding up his left hand in a way that a person would hold an injured hand - but on close study that hand seemed no where in the path of the bullet and it was not fired by him. Weird.

perhaps he had a moment of remorse or guilt or thought about the camera
either way, a junior member of the squad committed an unauthorised shooting and there was no discipline nor control
think of this on the battlefield - perhaps up in wana and swat... you can see where this is going right?

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 11 Jun 2011 20:08

krisna wrote: Even on its deathbed , TSP and its handlers will try to extract maximum advantage to screw India.

The dissolution of this entity cannot be handled without India. Not many have realized this in these benefactor states. They suffer from two fundamental illusions:

1. The state of pakistan can be kept alive, just short of total collapse and made to serve useful purpose, that includes being a check and impediment to the rise of India.

2. That the state of pakistan is only directed against India and does not pose any threat for them.
TSP has no other purpose except to keep India in check.
The above 2 has been in vogue eversince its creation. However it is growing beyond its requirements-
a) TSP is descending into chaos , hence failing to keep India in check.
b) TSP has started attacking the western world rather than India.

As everything is failing, If the TSP and its handlers in final push to screw India, decide to merge with India in the hope that with merger 180 + million abduls will roam India pissing inside rather than outside. This can be a a truly masterstroke from TSPians handlers.
The power is with TSPA/RAPE class. They can make a treaty with India with all powers with TSPA/RAPES- army, local laws etc in TSP- but economically tied with India.They will get integrated easily into the DIE/SLIME class in India.
They care only for themselves and their power. They will strengthen the power of WKKs in India.

The remaining 180+ million abduls will feast on India. Many are beyond redemption because of 60 years of indoctrination.
It is something like letting lose mutant rats inside your home. The rats are not killed by rat poison.
No kanadian vizza but free India.
How will India tackle this.

wondering Is this a realistic scenario.

The capabilities that pakis need to be propped up with by the handlers to pose a major threat to India has increased. Even New Clear bum supply is insufficient. They have to do more. If they do more, it automatically enables the paki attack dogs to be even more of a pain on the global front.

India is and will continue to build up its strength, so that any meaningful build up of threat by pakis automatically translates pakis to be a global nuisance.

OTOH merging pakis with India is a short route to enabling the capabilities of pakees by a thousand fold, which would be the most paki certified tactically brilliant thing to do by paki handlers.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jun 2011 20:10

Singha wrote:most of the border is fenced and heavily watched. the deserts and swamps are inhospitable and offer no continguous community to melt into. the sea is watched closely, our CG is one of the biggest around, every month some new ship or other is inducted into CG.

that being said, young men without families could still sneak in via nepal or BD or over the IB/LOC and using 'contacts' and 'relatives' in major cities, melt away into the woodwork.

but large scale refugee type migration is not possible unless a major event took place in TSP, govt ran away into bush and food riots and civil war started...with GOI relenting to setup refugee camps and let them in. we should make the US/EU pay for the refugee camps and make the pakis clean their own tents and toilets though rather than indulge any sense of entitlement. the US/EU/Canada/Aus should be encouraged as people with surplus cash and land to take up as many of these refugees as they can just like bosnian or kosovo war refugees were given papers and taken in.

It is not refugees who will be the problem.

Once there are enough 'naturalized' TSP folks in India a massive sloshing of people and products across the border will occur. Much of this will be legal. Mixed in with the legal will be the illegal immigrants. Very very hard to intercept and stop.

We don't have this problem right now as all trade is fortunately essentially banned but when there is a critical mass of TSP residents in desh they will force open the border from inside. Think NAFTA. That critical mass has been slowly accumulating right under our noses. My father has run into 2 in Chennai who were posted long term by Multinationals and who now inexplicably have Indian Citizenship. They are now in the process of sending for their families. Chennai!!

They have a tremendous surplus of people compared to the livable land. Essentially approaching Haiti. This is going to be very hard to stop.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 11 Jun 2011 20:15

Theoji,
The pigs have come so far down south is disgusting.

I wish we can take some action against the criminal MNCs which posted the pakis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jun 2011 20:20

krisna wrote: TSP has no other purpose except to keep India in check.
The above 2 has been in vogue eversince its creation. However it is growing beyond its requirements-
a) TSP is descending into chaos , hence failing to keep India in check.
b) TSP has started attacking the western world rather than India.

Their policies and actions based on these will come to roost when the descent into chaos happens fully. They cannot handle that on their own and neither can they just abandon and leave.(Yes) A resurgent and confident India will have to be approached by these very powers. (No, outside powers will not do,other than pressuring India to take in abduls)

India will have to be ready for that eventuality and must have in place, plans for the displaced people of pakistan. It will have to be India that acts and creates safe havens inside the territory currently controlled by this entity and not in India proper. It has to be India that will have to lead the final arrangements of post Pakistan scenario. (this is what scares the most with RAPES/WKKS with outside powers screwing India)
As everything is failing, If the TSP and its handlers in final push to screw India, decide to merge with India in the hope that with merger 180 + million abduls will roam India pissing inside rather than outside. This can be a a truly masterstroke from TSPians handlers.
The power is with TSPA/RAPE class. They can make a treaty with India with all powers with TSPA/RAPES- army, local laws etc in TSP- but economically tied with India.They will get integrated easily into the DIE/SLIME class in India.
They care only for themselves and their power. They will strengthen the power of WKKs in India.

The remaining 180+ million abduls will feast on India. Many are beyond redemption because of 60 years of indoctrination.
It is something like letting lose mutant rats inside your home. The rats are not killed by rat poison.
No kanadian vizza but free India.
How will India tackle this.

wondering Is this a realistic scenario.

Well add to this one more possibility. This has been working in my mind, unformed and undefined ever since I made the suggestion a few days ago in another thread.

Could Pakistan be the final revenge of Indic thought on Arabi Islam? Look at it this way. Arab culture was there and Islam arose to include that. Islam overran Iran but the Persians put their own cultural stamp on it. Islam came to India and whether anyone likes the word or not or not there was a degree of syncretism where the local traditions were absorbed into the lifestyle of Muslims while Islamic cuisine and art had some influence locally. In other words the Islam of India was unique, It was Islam with an Indian stamp.

Pakistaniyat believed that the Indian stamp was either non existent or bad. Pakistan started with the idea that all culture was islamic (that is, there was no Indian stamp on Muslims of India) and that if Muslims rejected kafirs - the kafirs would be empty and without any culture or roots because all culture belonged to them (the Packees - can you believe it

)

This idea failed miserably. It was a lie to start with. Then with General Albert Einstein ul Haq that genius - the idea of rejecting all that was Indian gained currency. It was helped by Wahhabism - which is fine with Arab culture. Pakis started denying their culture. but since they denied culture there was no way you can become an Arab. You can suck Arab anus, but you won't become an Arab.

What Pakis are left with is Islam without any soul or culture to support it. An empty shell of rules that can be adapted to different cultures provided one is not so stupid as to negate all culture. Having thrown out all culture - denying their Indian roots and not being admitted to Arabian naturalization. Pakistanis have retained what they think is pure Islam. And if you look at Pakistan and say This is pure "Paki" islam - you know what islam is without a culture to moderate it. It's a text interpreted by people who are not Arab - who do not have an Arab outlook, and who refuse to allow the Indian outlook because it has been rejected.

Islam is nothing without culture. No religion can be anything without culture. The Arabs have their culture. Islam in India has a culture unique to India. Reject that and you are fuked. You are Pakistan. A rootless ba$tard. They cannot become Arabs. Their only way to survive lies in the East. trying to claim India for themselves has failed as miserably as trying to claim Islam for themselves. Stupid idiots, these Pakistanis. Thoo!

Let them rot. We may have to bear some pain for a few decades or centuries. That is our fate. But they will not go anywhere. The future lies in the east. With heads bowed down to all that is hallowed in the east.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Jun 2011 20:23

Theo_Fidel wrote:It is not refugees who will be the problem. Once there are enough 'naturalized' TSP folks in India .....This is going to be very hard to stop.

This is also known as the advance of the "fifth column". Paki entertainers, journalists, artists, persecuted minorities, disgraced / disgruntled politicians, out of luck sportsmen/women, etc. all belong to this group. And, these folks will not enter India as refugees but as qualified economic migrants through airports and legal border crossings. Their next generation will marry Indian Muslims and other communities, and settle in as naturalized citizens all the while making forays into Indian defences and affiliated entities. They are the ones to watch out for as well. Am I being paranoid enough?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Jun 2011 20:51

Whatever they maybe, but Pakis must never be allowed to enter India on any pretext irrespective of Gender or status. I personally have no sympathy for anything that is Pakistani.

Why is it that I don't feel bad after watching the video. I think We should get used to of watching many more such gruesome videos coming out of Pakistan and not feel emotional towards it. Old saying ,"Karma is a She-dog and is catching up with all that is TSPian".

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 11 Jun 2011 21:17

VikasRaina wrote:Whatever they maybe, but Pakis must never be allowed to enter India on any pretext irrespective of Gender or status. I personally have no sympathy for anything that is Pakistani.

Why is it that I don't feel bad after watching the video. I think We should get used to of watching many more such gruesome videos coming out of Pakistan and not feel emotional towards it. Old saying ,"Karma is a She-dog and is catching up with all that is TSPian".

agree with you. We should seal our borders.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 11 Jun 2011 21:18

svenkat wrote:Theoji,
The pigs have come so far down south is disgusting.

I wish we can take some action against the criminal MNCs which posted the pakis.

u mean to say that an MNC posted pakistani nationals to work in India ? which ? where ?

thayilv · Post by **thayilv** » 11 Jun 2011 21:24

All of us here would probably remember that incident in pakjab where the locals took it upon themselves to deliver justice to two brothers who were suspected of stealing. It turned out later that they were merely passers-by. The clip showed a 7-8 year old kid mercilessly beating the lifeless body of one of the brothers with a stick nearly as big as him.

The pakis security forces are poorly trained but I think that they are just a reflection of the level of barbarity in paki civil society. For all we know, under different circumstances, that man who died at the hands of the ranger would have taken part in a vicious beating as well.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2011 21:26

ssridhar's excellent summary of descent of Pakistan:

Comparison of Pakistan to Early 7th Century Islamic State

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2011 21:31

Raja Ram wrote:ramana,

NO. It is not possible also. From the time of the Pakistan Resolution till now, it has been a Vishkanya. It has only one purpose and that is to destroy India. You do know how the Vishkanya that was sent to kill Emperor Chandragupta was handled by Chanakya. This artificial entity called Pakistan was created for only one purpose. Along with Jinnah and the Muslim League, there were other benefactors who played midwife in this creation and ensured growth of this vile entity.

There will be a time that those who have sowed and nurtured this poison tree will have to eat the fruits that it produces. India will be redeemed that day. Hope we are ready when it happens.

R^2, the 1999 Kargil gamble was a tipping point.

When India stopped them and forced the defeat, the Kharjite meme of biting their handlers took over. The TSPA jihadi army turned inward staged a coup and 9/11 and Af-Pak happened. The vishakanya danced her way into the FATA/WANA badlands and led her controllers deeper and deeper into financial ruin.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Jun 2011 22:21

A strategic mistake made by many of our adversaries is ignoring the long memory of Elephant and making false assumption that any external force can move /lift a sitting elephant. Elephant moves onlee when it want to. Poaks first mistake was to assume the mantle of Islam and second mistake of needling the Elephant.

IMHO, the key which will wide open the gates of Jahhanum for Poakannums is the population preassure on the land with limited natutral resources and lack of qualified human assests. Not if but its onlee a matter of time when they explode. They might chug along for another decade or so but soon will become unmamagable, free for all Zoo-kil-land "Paaked" like Sardines.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 11 Jun 2011 22:23

Gagan wrote:Hari Seldon-ji watch that video - just get it over with, I say!

I think it is a must watch... it is so repulsive that even Pakees are shocked by it... which usually happens when the crows come home to roost for pakees. as long is it goes and shits elsewhere, they dance a Balle Balle.
I can see the noose tightening on the Pakee Jernails. don't be surprised if coupld of Crore Commanders are Quadrified. The likes of Kiya Nahi would go on a pilgrimage to KSA and not return!!!

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 11 Jun 2011 22:32

ramana wrote:ssridhar's excellent summary of descent of Pakistan:

Comparison of Pakistan to Early 7th Century Islamic State

Two of my friends have emailed me this article saying I should see this.

SS saar you are reaching people. Keep up the good work.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 11 Jun 2011 22:33

Lalmohan wrote:i didn't find the video all that disturbing - don't know why. perhaps after reading all the opinions on BRF i was expecting something dramatic. but it wasn't - it was callous and cruel and mundane... 'a worthless life, snuffed out effortlessly'.

Lalmohan, you probably watched it after reading about the horror of the incident. Watching it for the first time was a revulsion to say the least. This revulsion for the shit-hole that is labelled Pakiland has been shared by all and sundry. commentators in the west are openly questioning the positions of their govt (sans == with Yindoos).
Paki Perfidy, Cheeni ambivalence and Western economic woes are all coming together at the same time. Mix in an assertive Afghanistan and fortress India, you have a volatile mixture. Monsoon season is starting in "the land of the pure", it will make it purer this time as much of the infrastructure ravaged by the previous flood has not even been repaired let alone replaced, economy has slipped many notches, PA is in the dumps and Yanks have bee miserly with their checkbook.
As Shivji said, a genocide (which is inevitable) will be preceded by a natural disaster. India should do its needful to open the floodgates at the right time.