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by khan
24 Jun 2020 01:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Larry Walker wrote:
Iyersan wrote:Guy1 changed post galwan
Guy 2 also changed today?

Yes - but no source was posted - just a snippet and some discussions

There is a lot of nonsense in the forums. Yesterday, it was there is a lot of Chinese casualties in Depsang plains.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 23:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://twitter.com/drapr007/status/1275485567975739393?s=21 #BREAKING : Amid talk for de-escalation is going on military and diplomatic level, PLA added 16 more quick attack boats in their patrol fleet in Pangong Tso in last 2 days. These boats are equipped with fire arms. NEVER TRUST CH|NA #India...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 23:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://twitter.com/drapr007/status/1275485567975739393?s=21 #BREAKING : Amid talk for de-escalation is going on military and diplomatic level, PLA added 16 more quick attack boats in their patrol fleet in Pangong Tso in last 2 days. These boats are equipped with fire arms. NEVER TRUST CH|NA #IndiaC...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 23:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Brilliant interview of Gen Parnaik, Gen Kulkarni and Nitin Gokhale. Nice details of tit-for-tat operation of 2013 Depsang plain incident explained by Gen Parnaik. We seem to have done some counterop in Demchok. In Hindi FYI. It didn’t end very well with Gen Kulkarni saying they Chinese were student...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 22:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Nobody is shivering about the Chinese. However threat analysis is always done by what your adversary can do, instead of what he will do. Paks confidently do "India will not do this" analysis, start a war and get surprised by when we react. I have mentioned multiple times, that the Chinese...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 21:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

amar_p wrote:The only explanation for...

This is what concerns me the most, we don’t understand what they are trying to do & we have to assume they are rational actors.

The only thing that makes sense to me is, this is just phase one & there is more coming.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 21:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

nam wrote:If we go by what mango chini is talking about in those forums, they seem to think our critical infra, industries are fair targets for their rocket forces.

This is probably why GOI wants S-400 so badly.

It would take out a good part of their initial salvo.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 19:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Regarding 2 front war - this is a real serious threat that is the result of a half century alliance between two of India’s biggest & most formidable rivals. They are now roping in Nepal maybe others.

But we will be non-aligned only.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 15:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The hermit farmer warrior is saying strange troop movements detected on Himachal Pradesh. I agree with him, never trust China. #BREAKING : Amid yesterday's Lt. General level talk between Indo-China military officials in Moldo for disengagement in Eastern Laddakh, increase PLA activities observed nea...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 15:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

China has lost the element of Suprise. We are too beefed up. I dont think it will escalate contrary to signs. Btw my conclusion on the Corps commander level talks was that nothing concrete was decided. Fonger 4, will India forcefully evict?????? The ball is in our court. Will we forcefully evict th...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 15:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I was expecting the eye opening after Doklam, when the Chini showed what they think of us. But our establishment hardly did anything after that. Honestly, that’s my 2nd biggest fear, that in a few months this trauma will be forgotten & chalta hai attitude will prevail. My biggest fear is that t...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 10:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

This is exactly the kind of decision Xi would face if he was sitting in a Macau casino. Swallow the losses or double the bet. And Xi didn't get to his position by taking the low risk way out, he is an inveterate gambler who keeps going for the bigger prize. As Nair sir said, hope this doesn't escal...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 09:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

symontk wrote:I dont think so, they lost in 1979 with Vietnam, did it reduce their reputation?

The Peasant conscript army of 1979 didn’t have the same reputation as the one they are trying to cultivate today.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 08:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I just watched this latest Nitin Gokhale video, one thing that made me very happy was Nitin tried to get General Rakesh Sharma bash the quality of Chinese troops & he refused - said "respect your enemy". Also, right at the end, the RAW guy said that Xi has two choices: ⋅ Find...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 07:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016
Replies: 3672
Views: 689931

Re: VayuSena Rafale: News and Discussions - 17 Oct 2016

I would say do it ONLY if an order of 200 LCA Tejas are placed and that will be the LAST foreign fighter aircraft ever purchased by India. The LCA Tejas MK1A, Mk2, and MCA shall be purchased in quantities of 200, 400, and 800. After this, they need to be making LCA's like sausages. Maybe buy 2-3 re...
by khan
23 Jun 2020 02:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I sense some arrogance here among our membership. I would suggest caution, be paranoid and hoshiyaar.

All this deployment they did wasn’t about one little mountain ledge in Galwan (which they couldn’t hold on to even if their half-baked “plan” succeeded) - there is something bigger going on here.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 02:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

They will try something for sure. They just need to get lucky once, our side has to be successful 100% of the time.
by khan
23 Jun 2020 00:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

That makes no sense to me because the nature of war is entirely different between these locations. SCS is primarily a naval conflict, Ladakh is army, high altitude mountain warfare. If they want to calibrate their logistics and production ability, they already know what they are capable of because ...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 23:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

sajo wrote:Talks in Moldo are reported to have ended after 11 hours. Twitter chatter reports no major breakthrough.

I really hope our side is thinking of being pre-emptive & not just waiting for them to gather on their side of Akashi Chin in a enough numbers to overwhelm us.
by khan
22 Jun 2020 23:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The Chinis will try to de-escalate with "nobody won" kind of agreement. I really hope GoI doesn't go back to the all is well lethargy it made after Doklam and work on stopping the trade deficit. That’s wishful thinking. I only got to watch the first 10 mins of that latest Gokhale video, b...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 22:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Sure, and we will sit by idly right? When there are 200 structures in Galwan and 200 on Finger 4, easy pickings as Nair sir has said. And other areas such as south bank of Pangong where we can do a countergrab. Please, this is not 1962. We have an empowered & motivated military, we have a stron...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 22:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Good Gods, meeting between Lt Gen Harinder Sing & Maj Gen Liu Lin still ongoing, started at 11:30 AM. I hope General Harinder Singh is telling them that we figured out what they are upto & will not sit idle anymore. They need to pull back immediately or face consequences. The Chinese might ...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 22:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Would Chinese try a 1962 ? Capture and then pull back from Leh-Laddakh ? Makes India and Modi look like loosers and boosts PLA confidence ? Chinese version of shock-and-awe ? And if they time it so that India cannot regroup and counterattack before snow sets in, then it will cause considerable setb...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 22:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Problem with the Lt Gen's contention in Nitin Gokhale's interview that Chinese are not ready enough and they are just trying to surprise us and send us a message - I don't agree because they cannot surprise us twice - so no point in wasting a surprise. Our problem with DBO is this - if Chinese invo...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 08:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Look at Galwan in conjunction with Depsang. If they interdict and dominate DSDBO road when they attack through Depsang - then we are in trouble. As of today with the minimal road infrastructure they have leading up the DBO border it will be impossible for them to sustain ground operations. Their li...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 08:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

A huge plus to come out of the Galwan confrontation is the ROE have changed to allow the use of firearms when warranted. And that has been communicated to the Chinese via military and diplomatic channels. Yes, this no-arms policy is very good for aggressors, not so good for defenders. If they want ...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 06:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Do what by dominating DBO road? Why the trucks? Having Artillery spotters within LOS of the DBO road. That would be my guess. Trucks to move all those people. Apparently there were at-least 300 people there. They are 100 km from the main road - over rough terrain. They travel heavy, with oxygen ten...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 06:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

ramana wrote:Khan, Thanks for your answers. So they want to capture the Galwan River Valley and even fird it.
Why was this their objective?


They want to dominate DBO Road & have eyes on it.
by khan
22 Jun 2020 06:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Another obeservation, the twitter feed of China’s wolf diplomat & his acolytes, looks like a China-TSP ***** flick: - Pinned tweet: https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1263661820742533126?s=21 - https://twitter.com/tangtianru/status/1274700330358341633?s=21 - https://twitter.com/tangtianru/status/...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 06:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I agree its foolish to think there is a difference between Xi Jinping and PLA. This is not a rogue operation. 1 If so what were the objectives of Galwan River Valley attack? To me it is pretty obvious, that it was to capture the entirety of Galwan valley - first by force & then deception. 2 Why...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 04:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I just got done reading another piece on Nitin Gokhale’s Bahrat Shakti blaming it all on “rogue commander” General Zhao Zongqi. IMO, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Chinese operate. Their Army is full of General Zhao’s pushing their own initiative, if it works, General Zhao gets a ...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 04:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

What happened at the India-China border clash? - Interview with Victor Gao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySJ3pTMoMZM&feature=youtu.be Even the chinese propoganda guy does not believe that Chinese govt assertion that PLA did not have any deaths in the clash. They have no choice, 20+ Chinese tr...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 03:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Replies: 8085
Views: 1074300

Re: 2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

IMO, to not ally with the US in whatever possible security framework, would be completely insane after this.
by khan
22 Jun 2020 03:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Skardu j10 still rumors it cannot be verified but Caps intensified. It is learnt that close to 40 Chinese J10 fighter jets landed in Skardu air base in POK last night. @IAF_MCC is on its highest alertness. https://twitter.com/pradiprsagar/status/1274639259660517376?s=19 Isn't Skardu within the rang...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 02:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Shiv Aroor keeps saying that the IA is focused on Pangong Lake fingers. IMO that is a side-show compared to what could happen in the Depsang plains & there has been clear signaling of this, with the Chinese talking about their light tanks, India responding with Mig-29 & Apache in Leh, then t...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 01:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

fanne wrote:Guys, things are moving to second gear. First round we won (don't waste time reading or reasoning otherwise). That is now leading to 2nd round. Few news that looks like rumor are actually not

You mean the POK airbases?
by khan
22 Jun 2020 01:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

According to the interview of Dr Swamy, the Pak Fauj is in Unkil's pocket or rather that their pocket's are in Unkil's hands. He is convinced that they won't do anything. Honestly, India shouldn't be counting on either the point highlighted above or some theory about a CPC-PLA split, this type of t...
by khan
22 Jun 2020 00:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Mort Walker wrote:
RKumar wrote:Thats strange ... once more

https://www.scribd.com/document/4664508 ... ncjj1ev37w


PLA propaganda.

Agreed, doesn't seem to be a serious piece.
by khan
21 Jun 2020 23:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

So, thinking out loud, if there is a fight, it will start in the Depsang Plains (which seems to be the DBO area). Does anyone know anything about the area? Are there mountain passes at the periphery of the LAC that India can use to bottle up the Chinese? Some kind of authoritative writeup would be m...
by khan
21 Jun 2020 23:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 966892

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7rNOHc6h1U Interesting views from Subramanian Swamy. ... He says a big contributor for this standoff is driven by the differences/power play between PLA and CCP. He says PLA, unlike CCP, is not interested in politics otherwise and they never were. ... Xi spent years...

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