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by ParGha
16 Oct 2018 22:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3537
Views: 415129

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Katare, an Infantry Division in India has 14-18K men (19th Division is the biggest, with even more men). Armoured divisions have 12-14K men, but they are still larger than Soviet Tank Divisions of 9-10K men. A “Division” with just 6K men is a Joker Division... in 1999 the Matayan Brigade alone had m...
by ParGha
16 Oct 2018 18:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3537
Views: 415129

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Part of the confusion is probably because people are using a mix of British/Commonwealth and German/American terminology for combined arms units. AFAIK, in India: Company+ Level - Combat Team Battalion+ Level - Combat Group Brigade+ Level - Combat Command Division+ Level - Integrated Battle Group No...
by ParGha
08 Oct 2018 18:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

ParGha what is your take on who gets what of Sig and Caracal? Does it really matter when the whole effort seems to be about lining someone's bank account? This Sig + Caracal deal works out to a blended rate of about $3,000 USD/rifle -- for comparison, the US Government pays FN to build M4s at about...
by ParGha
05 Oct 2018 17:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

Smaller purchases of CZ-75s were indeed made for some Armored Corps officers, Central Excise and Delhi Special Branch. One of the best pistols ever made, and Indians got them for <$30 a piece. Same with early AKs for <$80 a pop for the paratroopers. If that is a “scam”, I wonder what we should call ...
by ParGha
17 Sep 2018 20:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3500
Views: 358732

Re: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

Tsarkar-ji, if you take out the armor and the main gun, it is a missile carrier - no longer a tank. It too has an important role in th future, but it does not replace a tank.
by ParGha
17 Sep 2018 20:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3500
Views: 358732

Re: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

An aircraft flies in and out of the battlefield back to safe and clean hangars, so it can be loaded out with sensitive sensors; a tank is supposed to fight it out in the mud for days on end while getting peppered with small-arms and artillery shrapnel. Too much dependency on fancy electronic sensors...
by ParGha
05 Sep 2018 18:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3500
Views: 358732

Re: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

Who spots the targets at 8kms? It is very difficult for the TC to look for targets that far ahead and not lose situational awareness of his 3km—0.8km primary AOR. It may be better to assign that work to a FAO-type role, who orders missile fire or calls in fire from a NAMICA. That also makes a case f...
by ParGha
31 Jul 2018 06:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

The design process is evolutionary, and no one has done such a drastic pivot -- even the Japanese, with their much more advanced industrial base, shaved off only 6 tons between Type 90 (50T) and Type 10 (44T).
by ParGha
11 Jul 2018 17:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Replies: 4021
Views: 631752

Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

“The Beckoning Isle” - one of the most realistic books on Indian special operations I’ve ever read. Col Sapru is very humble and grounded in his narration, while still being proud and respectful of all his men achieved in the general cluster-eff. I’m still trying to figure out if 1st Para Cdo picked...
by ParGha
02 Jul 2018 18:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

Sachin, I don’t have any experience with the SLR and it is hard to parse the marketing hype from reality. One thing you have to remember is that 7.62x51mm has a strong recoil, and IA is going to be equipping an army of not only the large men from the northwest and the south, but also the 5’2” ~50KG ...
by ParGha
02 Jul 2018 17:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

SP isn’t the most reliable source, but it resonates with what I have read about T90 and Armatas from many Russian analysts: over complicated, maintenance hogs which decrease unit autonomy at marginal technical advances. IA would have been better off sticking to T72s and upgrading them with better en...
by ParGha
02 Jul 2018 17:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

ramana, the Russian planes come with Makarovs (9x18mm) as part of standard equipment. Despite what you see in movies, most pilots don’t have enough training to fight it out against even a lightly armed police force. If someone is really feeling Rambo-ish, they can always apply to get an AK74SU (or a...
by ParGha
20 Jun 2018 21:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

Long stroke or short stroke or DI does not matter. It matters a lot - a long-stroke gas-piston rifle is more tolerant of dirty ammunition, but direct impingement will choke very soon. It is easier to shoot precisely with DI rifles and make them lighter, but you lose the resiliency of the gas-piston...
by ParGha
20 Jun 2018 17:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

Serious question - is INSAS a bad rifle? It is a good enough design, which is poorly manufactured. To put it in perspective, it is the same fundamental design as the SIG550 series being bought by the NSG (long-stroke gas piston action in 5.56x45mm). It can be simplified and modernized a bit, but th...
by ParGha
13 Apr 2018 18:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

7.62x51mm battle rifle in full-auto mode? Very few men in the Indian Army outside the giants of the Bodyguard Cavalry and a few other individuals here and there will be able to control a light rifle firing on the happy-switch!
by ParGha
12 Apr 2018 18:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

ramana wrote:How many Independent Armored brigades?


Six known (2, 3, 6, 14, 16, 23), plus one more reported: https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/ARMY/tod ... oured.html
by ParGha
04 Apr 2018 18:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

Ramana, light tanks (Stuarts, AMX-13s and PT-76s) were used to devastating effects at Poonch, Zoji La, Chushul and the riverine deltas of Bangladesh. Given that Indian border is mostly mountains, marshes, jungles and fine sand deserts, the light tank regiments will always outnumber the heavy tank re...
by ParGha
04 Apr 2018 01:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3500
Views: 358732

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

FICV program, properly planned and executed soon, can also fulfill the light tank requirement with a Main Gun System in a 20-22 ton solution that shares a lot of common parts with the ICV (hopefully tracked and not wheeled). Not to mention the usual ATGM, mortar carrier, command vehicle, ambulances,...
by ParGha
03 Apr 2018 15:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2407
Views: 342583

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Local Kashmiris often surrender, especially if there is a political or IB guarantee of some back room deals. Plenty of Ikhwanis, SPOs and even Territorial Army personnel come from surrendered militants. It is a practical measure.
by ParGha
25 Mar 2018 18:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3537
Views: 415129

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Rakesh, is the AFV being referenced here the wheeled Tata Kestrel or some other tracked IFV? Are they planning on acquiring both, since there are both wheeled and tracked battalions in the Mech Inf Regt (not sure about the Guards)? If so, what is the tracked AFV called?
by ParGha
07 Mar 2018 21:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

The closest parallel to the Arjun story is that of the Japanese GSDF MBTs. With the 50 ton Type-90s, they started building heavy tanks approaching the Western-style approach taken by Leopards, Challengers, Abrams, etc. However the Japanese found that these heavy tanks could only cross 65% of the maj...
by ParGha
07 Mar 2018 17:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2404
Views: 262182

Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

LTG SPP Thorat recommended fighting at the road-heads and not at the peaks; no one in the army ever wants to fight a guerrilla war — they are devastating for the culture and organization of an army. In fact, LTG Harbaksh Singh, who authorized the creation of the Army Commandos during the 1965 War hi...
by ParGha
01 Mar 2018 12:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Small Arms Thread
Replies: 4266
Views: 698962

Re: Small Arms Thread

One thing I don’t understand: people b!+(# endlessly about 5.56x45mm being inadequate and unsuitable for COIN/CT operations... so how come the spec ops troops, who presumably have a lot of discretion to buy what they wish, end up with 5.56x45mm Tavors, Sigs and M4s after paying thousands of dollars?
by ParGha
03 Feb 2018 05:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2404
Views: 262182

Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Nachiket, it is untrue that the Deccani Sultans and the Mughals were unaware of guerrilla warfare. Hundreds of Maratha sardars served in Deccani armies as irregular cavalry (including Shivaji's family). Even more Uighurs and Turkmen served in Mughal armies, men who had grown up riding almost before ...
by ParGha
03 Feb 2018 04:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2404
Views: 262182

Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Maratha forces were not particularly mobile cavalry centric in Shivaji's time -- his could barely assemble enough cavalry to get a low ranking mansabdari from the Mughals. Later he also paid his army a regular salary, and didn't want an expensive large cavalry on the books -- so he kept the size to ...
by ParGha
15 Jan 2018 16:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 3500
Views: 358732

Re: Armoured Vehicles Discussion Thread - August 9, 2014

arjun chassis with a smaller engine + more internal fuel should also be made into a 155mm low velocity siege cannon thing for infantry support role. this will supplement the usual BMP2 cannons which are not so effective in dense urbanized areas and hollow cement block houses which are common in rur...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 23:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 20423

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

Singha-ji, The Paks are quite keen to fight, and they have large pools of excess and unemployable man-power to spill plenty of blood. 1948, 1965, 1971, 1999, 2011-Present prove this point. Of course, all of it melts away when Indians go on the offensive and threaten their fauji-feudal-mullah setup i...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 21:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 20423

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

While I cannot predict anything, I would like to make a comment on "war" in general - since the thread is about war, and I see this form a historic perspective of wars in general. Historically different cultures have evolved a concept of total war, continuous war, 1000 years war, "aa...
by ParGha
10 Jan 2018 20:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Two and Half Front War Scenario
Replies: 209
Views: 20423

Re: Two and Half Front War Scenario

Let us be clear about one thing: preventing a two-and-a-half front war is more desirable and winnable than fighting a 2.5 Front War. History proves that fighting a two-front war is almost always a losing proposition (Napoleon between Brits+Portuguese in the south and Rus+Prussians in the north, Germ...
by ParGha
08 Jan 2018 02:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

FWIW - Tesla drivers are reporting a 30-50% range loss this week with the NE US temperatures in -10 to -20C range. Forget about ever deploying this technology in Ladakh or Sikkim or North Kashmir.
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 07:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 338
Views: 26090

Re: Tactics & military craft

ramana wrote:Dont they have a training unit for troops reporting for RR duty?


XV and XVI Corps Battle Schools.

I thought his question was about troops leaving RR and going back to their parent units?
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 04:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 338
Views: 26090

Re: Tactics & military craft

It is very interesting to hear how much reorientation is required when moving to a new location or from COIN to regular roles. I would think that the change is maximum for Armd and Arty and some for Mech Inf, but it looks like its substantial even for Inf. If I understand it correctly, after an RR ...
by ParGha
25 Dec 2017 03:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 338
Views: 26090

Re: Tactics & military craft

Re your examples of old operations and public though well known information I think it would be fine. In fact I am very intrigued by your suggested example. Please post. The 9th and 10th Para Commandos in Sri Lanka: same mission, same enemy, same terrain... very different tactics. When the men of t...
by ParGha
10 Dec 2017 21:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tactics & military craft
Replies: 338
Views: 26090

Re: Tactics & military craft

Please clarify for this discussion: 1. What are the upper limits of tactical employment -- Is it the Western European definition of up to battalion (and equivalent unit) action? Or is it the Soviet definition of up to division (and equivalent formation) action? Along the same lines, what constitutes...
by ParGha
10 Dec 2017 08:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 124
Views: 29068

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

The re-armament program under the National Re-Construction Plan (External Security), code-named the Cerberus Program, consisted of three divisions -- H1 focused on the immediate mass-production and deployment of low-complexity armament; H2 focused on medium-term acquisition, indegenization and deplo...
by ParGha
08 Dec 2017 03:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV
Replies: 124
Views: 29068

Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIV

ParGha, I am still waiting to know what happened next. It was supposed to be a catalyst for a collaborative writing exercise (a la PIMS-I style) to engage the mujs flushed out from the GDF. Who knew real world events would catch up to my ball-of-yarn? I will provide some more runway for the Cerberu...
by ParGha
25 Nov 2017 20:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

It might be a stupid question but can arjun take a defensive role while t 90 takes an offensive role in the rear It is a legitimate question, and seriously worth pursuing if it helps preserve the knowledge and capabilities that has been built up over last 30 years, AND provides a platform to increm...
by ParGha
25 Nov 2017 20:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

I’m talking direct line of sight fire here and you’re talking indirect fire? Do silver bullets miraculously travel at the speed of light and blow up enemy tanks? It is very difficult to hit a moving target with direct fire artillery, and it is very dangerous to your crew especially after the first ...
by ParGha
22 Nov 2017 22:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

What is the safe crew height for the Arjuns? For comparison -- in T-72 and T-90, the max safe height for driver is 5'7" and 5'9" for the gunner and the commander. For T-55s the loaders were max 5'5" (usually 5'3"), though others could safely be 5'7" max. They are a little bi...
by ParGha
22 Nov 2017 19:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions
Replies: 1722
Views: 234026

Re: MBT Arjun - News and Discussions

Given our almost total inventory of Sov./Ru MBTs,the favourite for the JV partner will in all likelihood be UVZ (UranVagonzavod)) makers of a certain tracked AV called "Armata"! As I have posted elsewhere, even Russians themselves think that T-14 is too "western" in its design p...

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