Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2019 05:36

Sainik Samachar, April 2007

Role of Artillery in Kargil

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The performance of the Artillery units which fought heroically at Kargil in 1999 during operation Vijay was splendid. The Indian Artillery fired over 250,000 shells, bombs and rockets during the Kargil conflict. Approximately, 5,000 ordnance were fired daily from more then 300 guns, mortars and multi-barreled rocket launchers (MBRLs). During the peak period of assaults, on an average, each Artillery battery fired over one round per minute for 17 days continuously. Such high rate of fire over long periods had not been witnessed anywhere in the world since World War-II. The Gunners soon developed blisters on their hands from carrying and loading heavy shells and cartridges incessantly. Very few of them got more than a couple of hours� sleep in 24 hour-cycle.
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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 26 Apr 2019 21:44

PM talking about ATAGS (I think) in interview to AajTak.

https://youtu.be/V7Ep4VtePPk?t=643

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 26 Apr 2019 22:03

Wow. He knows about ATAGS and zeros in on range. :eek:

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Vips » 30 Apr 2019 02:01

Kalyani Group has started work (to be completed in 2 years) on a new Super Ultra Light Howitzer with hybrid recoil technology weighing at 3.2 tonnes. This gun would be transportable by a 6X6 and would be capable of rapid dismantling and carriage by Helicopters.This guns are planned to be equipped for Strike groups for Cold Start formations.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby sudeepj » 30 Apr 2019 22:15

The Mandus group has realized a 155mm soft recoil gun called Brutus (reference to French Caesar gun :D ). Some day soon, I think we will see it in Indian army.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-arm ... nd-brutus/

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 30 Apr 2019 22:53

Vips wrote:Kalyani Group has started work (to be completed in 2 years) on a new Super Ultra Light Howitzer with hybrid recoil technology weighing at 3.2 tonnes. This gun would be transportable by a 6X6 and would be capable of rapid dismantling and carriage by Helicopters.This guns are planned to be equipped for Strike groups for Cold Start formations.

Might be a funny idea, but couldnt we there be an attempt for UAV/drone based transportation for artillery guns and ammunition. To Base locations through trucks and then to the final location through drones. That ways we can use the current pool of domestic guns rather than ultra cool/expensive imports. As a side system, they may support our supply lines in areas where the border roads are not great

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 01 May 2019 09:30

Which drone?

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 May 2019 14:53

ks_sachin wrote:Which drone?

not any existing but a large quadcopter or may be a combination of 3-4 that can carry large objects over small distances say few kms that can circumvent the absence of roads. we have many building blocks, light battery from ISRO, some experience on FBW/communication from Rustom/panchi etc. We can start with lower performance parameters. Not that I have any experience in this field, and may be this fits "design your drone better"

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 01 May 2019 22:52

ks_sachin wrote:Which drone?


He is suggesting that such a transportation drone be developed.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 02 May 2019 00:08

ArjunPandit wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:Which drone?

not any existing but a large quadcopter or may be a combination of 3-4 that can carry large objects over small distances say few kms that can circumvent the absence of roads. we have many building blocks, light battery from ISRO, some experience on FBW/communication from Rustom/panchi etc. We can start with lower performance parameters. Not that I have any experience in this field, and may be this fits "design your drone better"

Last one from me on this:

my point being we make arty guns, we make fans, we make batteries, we have experience in control laws, avionics. We can make dummy guns with similar shape and size (if not those can be imported from russia or even china) Even if actual product fails we can make good progress.

Resource constraint might not be an issue:
1. Manpower: Invite those (-1)chai wallahs and other engineering grads who are are spending life watching GoT and other sitcoms. Draw some juice from the investment that gormint has made in subsidizing their education. I am sure there would be a sizeable no. who would not mind doing it for free just for learning. At least I would have done it in my summer break and some internship
2. Use old retired guns
3. Transportation & Equippoment is GoI india already. I am sure few 1000 round trips wont dent IR budget. Acco: there are already guest houses/colleges in summers /vacation time in key DRDO cities like Delhi/Bangalore/Hyd/Chennai/Pune etc.
4. I am sure GOI can afford few computers/laptops and other hard ware for students to try

I am hopeful we can come with something over a 5-10 year horizon. It need not be the best, ~50Km (assuming china would find it hard to go beyond 50 km in any place) or we taking in arty 50 Km in a single ride. And on Chinese side we can use their fabled infra. No need for fancy 1 in a million fail rate. Boost with our domestic arty guns and accumulation of ammo. If not guns it can certainly provide food and other things to troops.

would be faster than waiting for NHAI to build highways after getting clearances. Better in the sense tea-nese will find it hard to sustain their ingress with a proper infra and a good arti based hammering.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 May 2019 01:04

Ok. No more of this drone project here.
I started a design your drone thread to which there are no takers.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby mmasand » 02 May 2019 02:10

I think the Chinooks are perfectly capable of air lifting the Howitzers/Dhanush to the front lines. Why reinvent the wheel. Besides a drone isn't going to carry the personnel that have to operate the gun.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 02 May 2019 03:08

mmasand wrote:I think the Chinooks are perfectly capable of air lifting the Howitzers/Dhanush to the front lines. Why reinvent the wheel. Besides a drone isn't going to carry the personnel that have to operate the gun.

my stupidity reminds me of the old example where students built watertank without accounting for weight of water

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 16 May 2019 01:10

Buried in this report is the stated root cause of the M777 shell break-up. The US supplier came up with a fault in the BCS charges made by OFB used in the user trials.
need to understand that.

Peregrine wrote:Army raises alarm over rising accidents due to faulty ammunition - Rajat Pandit
NEW DELHI: The Army has sounded an alarm over the unacceptably high number of accidents taking place in the field due to poor quality and defective ammunition being supplied for tanks, artillery, air defence and other guns by the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).
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Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 16 May 2019 14:37

ramana wrote:Buried in this report is the stated root cause of the M777 shell break-up. The US supplier came up with a fault in the BCS charges made by OFB used in the user trials. need to understand that.
ramana Ji :
Many Thanks Indeed.

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Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Postby MeshaVishwas » 18 May 2019 15:18

A delegation from the Indian Army Artillery receive a brief from 5 Regt RA on their capabilities during an exchange visit to the unit in Catterick. The event provided a valuable opportunity to share information on weapon locating radars. ⁦@adgpi⁩ ⁦@ArtilleryRoyal⁩

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