You are lying again... You didn't read it before spouting your opinionsomnath wrote:Stan-ji
2. Re binayak sen, I had taken the trouble of reading the (Hindi) judgement and background that had come out in copious detail before criticising the judgement. And a lot people have done so as well. Let's see what the high court has to say.
You might want to comprehend the context of a comment before shooting off..I dont intend gettinginto a slanging match - it adds no value...But the ISI letter WAS presented by prosecution as evidence - it has been widely recorded, and I took the trouble of going through not just the judgement but also the background info...there are several inconsistencies in the judgement itself, which I have pointed out (and many others with greater "legal" gravitas - like Ram Jethmalani)...some of the self-proclaimed legal eagles, incl on BRF, took refuge under purported statements of the state DGP about "holistic view of all evidence to conclude Dr Sen is an empathiser" as well - sort of rubbish that doesnt stand even elementary scrutiny...dont remember who that was, and dont have the patience to go trhough the thread again...milindc wrote: You are lying again... You didn't read it before spouting your opinion
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somnath wrote:Go to the raw data - read the judgement (its not very long, about 90 pages I think)...Even to a non-legal mind like me, grounds for conviction look amazingly thin (evidence includes a letter from Ilina Sen referrgin to ISI, btw, she was referring to the Indian Sociological Institute)
I don't have a bone in this matter & have absolutely no wish to be spending my time on irrelevent matters - but am digging this up since you have specifically dredged this issue up again by claiming that you had read the judgement.somnath wrote:Again, your knowledge of basic tenets of jurisprudence seems even lesser than mine...When studying a judgement and commenting on it, one does not need to go back to proceedings during the trial to analyse the reasons for the judge's opinion..The judgement encapsulates all rationale of why the judge has arrived at a particular conclusion..the judgement is availabel on the net, and I (and others who are commenting on it) base their opinions on the same.
You had denounced the judgement in itself, not the prosecution & one of your highlighted points in denouncing the judgement was the ISI letter.The prosecution DID include the ISI letter in its case, there is no doubt about that..And there were numerous holes in the judgement itself, which has been discussed here and everywhere else many times before...
In any case, this isnt a legal adjudication forum that needs to "prove" anything..If you want to believe that I didnt go through the judgement, be my guest - makes no difference to me, or the fundamental point on the critique of the judgement...
Well, not sure how you can decide which claims can be made and which ones not..Arjun wrote:This is a purely objective issue - no question of my 'wanting to believe' anything. Just don't make the claim in the future, that unlike others you do read judgements.
) - bringing out facts that prosecution has presented is standard procedure in critiquing judgements, espeically if the judgement itself is perceived to be walking on "thin grounds"...But really, this is cavilling over semantics, a bit juvenile - I would rather worry myself with the substantive issues...True...I cannot stop you from claiming the earth is not round, or that the sun rises in the west.somnath wrote:Well, not sure how you can decide which claims can be made and which ones not..
I would too. Wonder why you specifically brought up the somewhat juvenile point of your reading judgements and implying that Stan had not, in your reply to Stan on this page.But really, this is cavilling over semantics, a bit juvenile - I would rather worry myself with the substantive issues...
Try to keep to the larger point, most of the time at least!Aah, why did I have a feeling the c-word would be brandished? This is getting somewhat juvenile, but why don't you report after polling some experts as to how many 'comprehend' your point?somnath wrote:If you go through the conversation fuly, you can perhaps "comprehend"
One responds to the kind of point one sees being made.Try to keep to the larger point, most of the time at least!
..you may make buffaloes understand and recite vedas....but not Somnathji...he is beyond infinity....Looks like prepartion for general elections are underway. PC is using the NIA as his personal ticket to PMship.NIA takes over probe in three blast cases
April 07, 2011 9:58:25 PM
PTI | New Delhi
Launching its probe into suspected role of right-wing groups in terror acts, a Central probe agency has taken over investigation of three blast cases -- Mecca Masjid, Ajmer Sharif and Malegaon -- in which the cadres of Abhinav Bharat are alleged to be involved.
The cases were registered by the National Investigation Agency after the CBI and Rajasthan Government gave their consent to the Union Home Ministry for handing over the probe.
NIA officials said the three cases -- Mecca Masjid, Ajmer Sharif and Malegaon 2006 -- have been registered and others including Malegaon 2008 blast case, which actually brought the alleged role of Abhinav Bharat on the forefront, would be registered later.
However, Madhya Pradesh Government has put a spanner in the efforts of the Home Ministry to have a combined investigation of all cases related to Hindu terror groups by refusing to hand over the murder case of RSS activist Sunil Joshi, an accused in Samjhauta blast case, to it.
The Centre had asked the Madhya Pradesh Government to handover the probe of Joshi murder case to the NIA to which the state government said that the investigations into the case had been completed and a charge sheet filed in the court.
Union Home Minister P Chidambaram had told reporters earlier here after presenting his monthly report that "..Sunil Joshi is not a case to be transferred. That is a little more complicated...They (NIA) have to apply in the court under different sections of the NIA Act. They will apply to the court."
The Home Ministry issued notification in the three cases, where right-wing terror groups' alleged involvement has surfaced, to be investigated by the NIA, which is already probing the blast in Samjhauta Express -- rail link between India and Pakistan -- in which more than 65 people were killed.
A chargesheet has been filed in the Malegaon 2006 case by the ATS of Mumbai Police in 2006 itself naming nine accused and had pinned the blame on Lashker-e-Taiba and banned SIMI.
However, the confession of right-wing activist Swami Aseemanand before a magistrate claiming that the blast in the power loom township of Maharashtra was a handiwork of Hindu groups left the ATS red faced.
Following this, the CBI, which had remained silent on the Malegaon probe for four years, had also formed a fresh team to re-investigate the case.
There has been no headway in Mecca Masjid case while the Rajasthan ATS had carried out pain-staking investigations in Ajmer blast case and has arrested four people including Aseemanand.
On Madhya Pradesh's reluctance to hand over the Sunil Joshi probe to the Centre, the Home Ministry has already sent a proposal to the Law Ministry seeking its legal opinion in the wake of absence of a nod from the BJP government in the state, official sources said.
Madhya Pradesh government has filed a charge sheet against certain persons, including Sadhvi Praghya Thakur, an accused in the Malegaon 2008 case, in connection with the murder of Joshi, an accused in Samjhauta Express blast case and three other cases.
The NIA Act empowers the Centre to unilaterally hand over any terror case to the agency and does not require the state government's consent.
Joshi was shot dead at Dewas, Madhya Pradesh, in December 2007. Samjhauta blast accused Swami Aseemanand, who is currently in jail, had in his confessional statement named Joshi as one of the key conspirators in the right-wing extremist network.
NIA is already probing the February 2007 Samjhauta Express blast and September 2008 Modasa blast cases.
The ISI letter (in fact it is an e-mail) thing was brought up by prosecutor during his closing arguments, and after Binayak Sen's lawyer objected. Prosecutor withdrew that remark and as I noted it is never mentioned in Judgement or any evidence appendix.somnath wrote:You might want to comprehend the context of a comment before shooting off..I dont intend gettinginto a slanging match - it adds no value...But the ISI letter WAS presented by prosecution as evidence - it has been widely recorded, and I took the trouble of going through not just the judgement but also the background info...there are several inconsistencies in the judgement itself, which I have pointed out (and many others with greater "legal" gravitas - like Ram Jethmalani)...some of the self-proclaimed legal eagles, incl on BRF, took refuge under purported statements of the state DGP about "holistic view of all evidence to conclude Dr Sen is an empathiser" as well - sort of rubbish that doesnt stand even elementary scrutiny...dont remember who that was, and dont have the patience to go trhough the thread again...milindc wrote: You are lying again... You didn't read it before spouting your opinion
Check this http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1000875
But, there is really no point here - the man has been convicted, the judgement has been criticqued by many, and he has appealed...Thats where the matter ends...For now...at least at a a legal level...
If you simply want to get into a personal slanging battle, I am not interested - if you have anything substantive either on the judgement or on the case, I am....But I guess you arent interested in the latter...
“I heard today and saw on TV that these parties have raised the Bangladeshi migrants problem as a poll issue. They are going from place to place talking about it,” Ms. Gandhi told an assembly election rally here.
“But I want to ask them when their (BJP) government was in power at the Centre why did they not take any measure to stop infiltration even though our Chief Minister had raised the issue before the then union home minister. Do they now have any authority to raise a finger on us on the issue,” she asked.
Ms. Gandhi asserted, “When the BJP government was in power at the Centre it never did anything for Assam. Now both our central and State governments have taken measures to stop infiltration from Bangladesh.”
Published April 5, 2011 ISI , Lashkar-e-Tayiba , Terrorism 1 Comment
Badaruddin Sirajuddin Haqqani will be the new face of the Al-Qaeda according to reports from Islamabad. The reports also suggested that he would emerge as a household name in the world of terror and he will be the most feared Al-Qaeda leader till date.
Badaruddin is one of the sons of Maulana Jalaluddin Haqqani of the Afghan Taliban which is closely associated with the Al-Qaeda. Indian intelligence agencies see this as a surprising move since the Al-Qaeda appears to be springing up some new names to head their organizational and operational activities.
Sources in the intelligence bureau say that this is something that they had been discussing for quite sometime and the fact that a member of the Haqqani network has been roped in to head the Al-Qaeda is only an indication that the group is planning on splitting into splinter groups. When groups are bifurcated into splinter groups it is an indication that the focus would be on particular targets and this would include India as well.
Under Badarrudin who is lethal, young and is being groomed into a full fledged terrorist, the Al-Qaeda would see a lot of changes. Badarrudin has been in the fray for quite sometime now and he has been trained under his father a fierce warrior himself who has been battling US troops in Afghanistan.
The IB says that the plan to split into splinter groups would be confusing for very many security agencies since these would report to one head, but would fight independent battles. Moreover Baddarudin is a surprise factor and popping up such a name would only confuse security agencies. Moreover springing up new names would also mean that security agencies would take a while to commence their chase since a whole load of new information needs to be derived on this man.
Coming to the Indian problem, a group under Baddarudin would be in charge of Kashmir. Under the joint operation of both the Al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban, Baddaruddin has managed to recruit nearly 26000 persons to wage a battle in Kashmir. In addition to this they have also formed 30 suicide squads for Kashmir alone. However the IB adds that this new faction would not restrict itself just to Kashmir and there is every possibility of it spilling into the rest of the country.
The entry of Baddaruddin into the main fray would not necessarily mean the end of the likes of Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar or Jalaluddin Haqqani. These men would continue to play a prominent part in the operations, but the introduction of young blood would only boost the two outfits, the IB points out.
Another dangerous ploy which can be witnessed in this is that most of these developments have taken place without the blessings of the Pakistan establishment. The reason why these groups decided to go aggressive against India is because they felt that the Pakistan establishment was going soft on the Kashmir issue. Moreover they felt that the groups such as the Lashkar-e-Tayiba which is completely under the control of the ISI was walking away with pie. The Afghan Taliban and the Al-Qaeda feel that the Lashkar acted only on the instructions of the ISI and they feel that being a toy in the hands of an establishment was not allowing them to wage their battle effectively. These groups want a solution while the ISI wants an issue alive is what the Al-Qaeda feels. Unfortunately for the ISI too this thought process appears to be catching up among the cadres of the Lashkar as well and they are finding it difficult to keep the group united.
The IB says that in the days to come one could find a more aggressive approach from the Al-Qaeda both in Kashmir as well as Afghanistan due to this revamp within the jihadi forces.
Suspected conspirator in IC-814 hijack nabbed?
April 12, 2011 1:47:48 AM
PTI | New Delhi
A person suspected to be a key conspirator in the hijacking of Indian Airlines plane(IC-814) has been detained in Chile and the CBI will be despatching a team to the South American nation soon to verify whether he is the same person wanted in this country.
Highly-placed sources in the Government and the probe agency said today that the Chilean police informed the CBI that they had detained a person identified as Abdul Rauf and that there was also an Interpol Red Corner notice pending against him.
The sources said that the Chilean police had also sent his finger prints for verification but the CBI expressed its inability as neither Rauf's picture nor his finger prints was available with the investigation agency.
A team would be soon going to Chile to ascertain his identity as well as question him, the sources said, adding some help from western friendly intelligence agencies was likely to be taken in this connection.
Abdul Rauf wanted by the CBI is the brother-in-law of Jaish-e-Mohammed Chief Maulana Masood Azhar and was among the main conspirators in the hijacking of Indian Airlines plane from Kathmandu on December 24, 1999.
The Jaish chief was among the three terrorists exchanged for the plane and over 160 passenger after eight-days of negotations carried out at Kandhahar, a city in Southern Afghanistan.
According to the confessional statement of Abdul Latif, one of the conspirators who is in jail at present, Abdul Rauf and Yusuf Azhar, brother of Azhar, criss-crossed India and Nepal several times.
It was is July 1999 that the hijack plot took concrete shape and the conspirators held several secret meetings in Dhaka and Mumbai.
In August, Ibrahim Attar (or Chief), the second brother of Maulana Masood Azhar, informed Abdul Latif about the plan and the forged passports and travel documents for the five hijackers were arranged.
Dilip Bhujel had already delivered the guns and grenades via the Kalingpong route. A crucial meeting between the gang took place in the Kathmandu Zoo on December 13, where Latif was told he would not be on the hijacked plane but should remain as the gang's point-man in Mumbai.
Thereafter, the hijackers moved to their base in Kathmandu but kept in touch with Abdul Latif, who, in turn, relayed the messages to Abdul Rauf in Karachi. On the fateful day too, the hijackers kept informing him when they cleared security for boarding IC-814 or when they were in the waiting lounge.
It was the telephone call made by Abdul Rauf to Abdul Latif, asking him to call up the BBC offices in London and give details of the hijacking, which were intercepted and the arrests were made.
Slightly dated, may be we can negotiate business deals with Chileans in return for those inbred b-turds.Calcutta, March 25: Chilean commerce minister Jorge Bunster will visit India within two weeks to meet minister of state for commerce Jyotiraditya Scindia and thrash out the modalities of a free trade agreement, which could expand the portfolio of items traded between the two countries to 10,000.
At present, trade between India and Chile is governed by a preferential trade agreement (PTA) covering 320 items.
“We also want to take the number of items covered in the PTA from 320 to 5,000,” said Nestor Riveros, minister counsellor (commercial), embassy of the Republic of Chile.
It has to be related to proliferation only, Chile is a leading phosphate producer, some phosphate compounds are used in the spent fuel enrichment process, to separate out the maal. Moreover, there seems to be a dulling down in Chile as first-world standard OH&S systems are being installed across many of the production facilities in the country, so if this India-Chile extradition treaty is signed, it would be nipping the TSP attempts in the bud.ramana wrote:Wonder what makes Chile so attractive to TSP terrorists
Govt sat over Rauf arrest info for three monthsApril 13, 2011 8:39:45 PM
Rakesh K Singh | New Delhi
The 1999 Kandahar hijack mastermind is among 40 most wanted terrorists
The two-member team of the CBI and IB may have left for Chile on Tuesday to ascertain the identity of one Abdul Rauf — arrested in the South American country on suspicion of his involvement in the 1999 Kandahar hijack case — but it turns out, the agencies made the move three months after being informed about the development by Chilean authorities.
The security agencies knew about Rauf being in custody of Chilean police since January but sat over it thus showing utter lack of seriousness on their part in the investigation of such an important case of terror.
A top CBI official confirmed that the Chilean authorities had indeed informed the agency about Rauf’s arrest in January itself. “We were trying to authenticate if he was the Abdul Rauf wanted in the 1999 Indian Airlines plane hijacking case. The details do not match but since we have no photograph or fingerprints, a team is now going to make sure,” he said without elaborating further.
Sources, however, admitted to the considerable delay and also conceded that it would be a challenging task to ascertain the identity of the person in the absence of any fingerprints or his photograph. The team includes SP Joginder Singh Naik — who was one of the CBI investigators in the IC-814 hijack case.
The Interpol Red Corner Notice (RCN) against Rauf (Number A-566/6-2000) says that physical traits like height, colour of eyes, colour of hair and distinguishing marks of Interpol wanted suspect are unknown.
Bahawalpur-born Pakistani terrorist Rauf has been listed in the RCN for offences of hijacking, kidnapping and murder. He is one of the 40 most wanted terrorists that India has asked Pakistan to be handed over for prosecution in the hijack case.
Sources said that even if he is identified as the ‘wanted’ Rauf, his extradition process could compound if Pakistan lays claim to his nationality. In such an instance, Pakistan would have the first right to seek his custody.
{Very defeatist asttitude. Wonder how they can live with themselves as police officers who throw up theri hands even before the fight? I would have the picture of Rupin Katyal and his distraught wife on my desk to remind me of the unfinished business.}
“I have no doubt that if the identity of Rauf is established, Pakistan will render him every possible legal assistance to block his extradition to India. We will then have to see how the legal proceedings go,” former diplomat and security analyst G Parthasarthy told The Pioneer.
{Him too! Abdul Rauf has not committed any crime in TSP. So how can TSP have first rights on him? If that is so how come Canada hasn't demanded its "first rights" over Rana in Chicago?The RCN is from India not TSP.}
“But we have to first ascertain and establish whether the person under custody is the same Abdul Rauf for whom there is a RCN. We then have to establish to legal authorities in Chile that there is a valid basis for our seeking his extradition to India. In view of the RCN we do not need a formal extradition treaty to seek his extradition to India.”
As things stand, the Chilean police had informed the CBI that they had detained a person identified as Abdul Rauf and that there was also a RCN pending against him. They had also sent his finger prints for verification.
Rauf is the brother-in-law of Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Maulana Masood Azhar and was among the main conspirators in the hijack case. The Jaish chief was among the three terrorists exchanged for the plane and over 160 passengers after week-long negotiations with the hijackers and the Taliban at Kandahar in Afghanistan. According to the confessional statement of Abdul Latif, one of the conspirators at present in jail, Rauf and Yusuf Azhar, brother of Azhar, crisscrossed India and Nepal several times before the audacious hijacking.
Another accused Dilip Bhujel had delivered the guns and grenades to the hijackers via the Kalingpong route. A crucial meeting by the gang members was held in Kathmandu Zoo on December 13, 1999 where Latif was told he would not be on the hijacked plane but should remain as the gang’s point-person in Mumbai.
{Is this guy atleast arrested or is he still scot free in TSP!}
The hijackers moved to their base in Kathmandu but kept in touch with Latif, who, in turn, relayed the messages to Rauf in Karachi. On the fateful day too, the hijackers kept Rauf in the loop when they cleared security for boarding IC-814 or when they were waiting in the waiting lounge prior to departure.
It was the telephone call made by Rauf to Latif, asking him to call up the BBC offices in London and give details of the hijacking, which were intercepted and the arrests were made.
So they knew that carying the rifles was illegal.FRONT PAGE | Wednesday, April 20, 2011 | Email | Print | | Back
Danish ship crew detained for dumping AK-47s off Mumbai coast
April 20, 2011 1:14:52 AM
TN RAGHUNATHA | Mumbai
A joint team of sleuths belonging to Maharashtra’s Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS), Intelligence Bureau, the Navy, the Coast Guard, city crime branch and Customs department is interrogating eight detained crew members of an intercepted Denmark-flagged vessel — including two retired British Royal Army soldiers — in connection with a case of suspected arms dropping.
Though the intensive search of MV Danica Sunrise had not resulted in any seizure of firearms and ammunition till Tuesday evening, official sources said that it was the admission of some of the crew members — particularly the two retired British Army soldiers — that they had “dumped” two AK-47 rifles in the Arabian Sea, had prompted the investigators to continue their joint interrogation of the crew members.
The crew had reportedly “dumped” the two AK-47s in the sea, after apprehending that they might be picked up for questioning, if they were found with rifles, sources said.
MV Danica Sunrise is being searched off the Mumbai coast following intelligence inputs that a Pakistani national was on board the merchant vessel and was carrying arms and ammunitions.
Apart from the admission of arms dumping by the vessel's crew members, what has made the Indian investigators suspicious is why MV Danica Sunrise was heading towards Mumbai and why it was not carrying any cargo when it arrived here.
One of the explanations offered by the crew members is that they wanted to disembark two of their crew members, both security guards and retired Royal British Army soldiers, whose tenure on board was getting terminated on Monday, while another explanation given was that the crew members were heading to Mumbai to carry out repair of some snags that the vessel had developed earlier.
On Sunday evening (1800 hrs), an intelligence input was received that a ship possibly carrying arms and ammunition, is heading towards Mumbai for offloading off Mumbai coast. Immediately, Indian Coast Guard ship (ICGS) Subhadra Kumari Chauhan which was on patrol off Maharashtra coast was diverted to undertake search.
No vessel was located in the identified position. However, officers from ICGS Subhadra Kumari Chauhan commenced interrogating crew of all vessels anchored. "MV Danica Sunrise a Denmark flag vessel reported positively that two safety guards on board vessel have similar name. An armed boarding party of ICGS Subhadra Kumari Chauhan boarded the suspected vessel anchored two km from Gateway of India and commenced interrogation," officials said. While six of the crew are Danish, two security guards are British who served in the British Royal Army as soldiers.
There you go, silence till the wanted is in India.“Rifikhang was arrested in Bangladesh almost two months back,” said a senior government official today.
Further:While Rifikhang’s arrest practically puts the entire NDFB anti-talks faction top brass behind bars, the development in no way ends the threat of militancy. One more militant leader who has been challenging and killing security forces with impunity is still at large. “Bidai is dangerous and now hiding in Bhutan,” said a source.
Thick forest and the inability of the Indian troops to operate in Bhutan ensures Bidai is free in his camp.
The CBI released photographs of nine NDFB militants, who were accused in the October 30, 2008 serial blasts in Assam. The CBI has announced a cash reward of INR 0.5 million for anyone giving information about the militants - Arun Borgoyary alias Dinthilang, George Boro alias John alias B Jwangkhang, Khargeswar Basumatary alias Rahul Brahma, Tensu Narzary, Uttam Sargiary alias S Ulafat, Jitu Daimary, Tarun Sargiyari, Bishnu Gayari alias Bidai and Mudai alias Muthu Brahma.
According to media reports, CBI sources said Rauf is not the IC-814 hijacker they are looking for, but is a mere visa offender.
The CBI group comprising of two members is meeting the Chilean authorities to verify the suspicions and later India might seek extradition of Rauf.
Rauf was arrested in human trafficking charges and fake visa cases in January in Chile. He was allegedly trying to push Pakistanis to North America through Chile.
Only Q is as to how more than 200 rioters( would assume the highest ever police firing toll in independent India) were shot dead if the police were indifferent?The post-Godhra riots have come back to haunt Narendra Modi with a senior IPS officer alleging the Gujarat Chief Minister had allowed Hindus to "vent their anger" during the 2002 clashes.
"In his affidavit in the Supreme Court, IPS officer Sanjeev Bhatt has said the Chief Minister in a meeting held on February 27, 2002 expressed the view that Hindus be allowed to vent their anger," sources close to him said here today referring to the affidavit in the Zakia Jaffery case.
"I filed an affidavit in the Supreme Court on April 14. This is regarding the investigation being done by the Special Investigation Team (SIT)," Bhatt told PTI, but declined to divulge its contents.
The officer, who was posted as DCP at the State Intelligence Bureau (SIB) during the 2002 riots, said in the affidavit that he had attended the February 27 meeting called by Modi where he asked officers to be "indifferent" to rioters.
In his testimony before the SIT, Modi, however, said Bhatt being a junior officer at that time was not present in the February 27 meeting where the Chief Minister had allegedly asked police officers to go soft on rioters.
The officer also expressed surprise over how his affidavit, which is likely to be taken up by the Supreme Court on April 27 along with other matters relating to the 2002 communal riots, got leaked to the media.