Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

wig · Post by **wig** » 26 Apr 2011 11:51

US prosecutors charge four more LeT men over 26/11

Four more Pakistani conspirators have been charged by US prosecutors with carrying out the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks on behalf of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

In a second superseding indictment filed by the federal prosecutors before a court here yesterday, the four were identified as Sajid Mir, Mazhar Iqbal, Abu Qahafa and one by the name of 'Major Iqbal'. Besides, the indictment mentioned an unnamed individual "Lashkar Member D." All are residents of Pakistan.

The four men identified were previously mentioned but not named in the indictments that charged Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley and Pakistani-Canadian Tahawwur Rana in connection with the Mumbai attacks which killed 166 people, including six Americans.

Sajid Mir was associated with LeT and supervised others linked with the outfit.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/1542157_US- ... over-26-11

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2011 11:55

ISI a Terrorist Organization - Najam Sethi's spin
& other stories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZS2FT7CgQE

For fast playing 240p playback (slightly lower resolution) click the link and then select 240p.
Embedded videos allow only 360p and above resolutions,

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Apr 2011 12:04

Nandu wrote:It also shows that Fair's only argument is "RAW exists, therefore it has to be doing something". i.e. she has no evidence.

She learned paki logic along with giggly urdu. Her tweets reveal she is a dorkette at heart.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2011 12:16

As suggested by a guru earlier, only the half-brights analyze Af-Pak, Indo-Pak, Iraq scenarios.

The really intelligent ones do the US-China thing these days.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 26 Apr 2011 13:14

Baloch Freedom Fighters torch bus carrying pakistanis, 15 dead

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 26 Apr 2011 13:21

abhijitm wrote:
saip wrote:What's wrong with these suicide bummers? Singles won't do. When r they going to score a century?
its a boundary so far.
four killed

still very Misbah-esque batting !

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2011 13:23

Athar Abbas' (DG ISPR) statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn6qCNom1L0

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Apr 2011 13:34

I have been thinking, that all the attempted terrorist attacks in the mainland the US, post 9/11, none have succeeded, what could be the possible reasons for that. Could it be that the attackers were incompetent, or, could it be that they knew exactly what they were interested in, and yet some how extremely unlucky. Or could it be that the attacks were designed to fail to begin with.

Of all the possibilities, I find the last one most troubling.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2011 14:57

Gagan wrote:ISI a Terrorist Organization - Najam Sethi's spin
& other stories.

Sethi Sa'ab (in London): "Mulk ka kya hal hai?"

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 15:10

Gagan wrote:Athar Abbas' (DG ISPR) statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn6qCNom1L0
retired officer is on its own

just like what's happening in Bahrain, hai ji?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 26 Apr 2011 15:17

Bombs Strike Two Buses Carrying Navy Workers in Karachi

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 26 Apr 2011 15:20

‘IMF considers Pakistan economic managers deceitful’
Blasphemy by IMF.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 26 Apr 2011 15:23

The blasts came just days after Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the army chief, claimed to have broken the back of militants in the country.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2011 15:34

Nobody really retires from ISI. That's because no one really permanently joins the ISI. That's the very basis of operations for the ISI. Officers are deputed to ISI from the three military services and paramilitaries, while still earning majority of their keep from the original parent services. They serve a few years and then rejoin their original groups. Some stay on. Like Hamid Gul, for instance. But, they always remain beholden to the ISI for their careers elsewhere (in public life or in the forces). These "retirees" can be called in to serve ISI's interest at any time. There are no "retirees" from the service. Hence, that statement by Athar Abbas, although factual, is meant to deflect opinion and mislead the west.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2011 15:35

Venkarl wrote:
The blasts came just days after Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the army chief, claimed to have broken the back of militants in the country.

Kayani did not lie. Karachi is not "the country". It's a city not under control of any authority. The country only includes land under control of the army. Like Pindi.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Apr 2011 15:41

Gagan wrote:ISI a Terrorist Organization - Najam Sethi's spin
& other stories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZS2FT7CgQE

Personally I think, Najam Sethi has got a pretty good idea of how Pakistan works, and he manages to give a pretty honest commentary from his PoV.

He is calling the current impasse between USA and Pakistan sanjeeda - serious! So the Pakistanis too are reading the relationship to be in dire straits.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 16:23

NS is generally spot on re pakistan's internal affairs. ISI+PA mishandled Davis case. Being swallowed by CIA they caught hold of it's tail, thought biting it would make CIA scream and they can escape the grip. But instead the snake is now biting harder.

interesting time ahead...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2011 16:37

These things happening on the same day:

‘IMF considers Pakistan economic managers deceitful’

Guantánamo Bay files: Pakistan's ISI spy service listed as terrorist group

Too much of a coincidence? No its a conspiracy onlee.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 16:40

Deceitful Dacoits. What a coincidence!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2011 16:47

Gagan wrote:These things happening on the same day:

‘IMF considers Pakistan economic managers deceitful’

Guantánamo Bay files: Pakistan's ISI spy service listed as terrorist group

Too much of a coincidence? No its a conspiracy onlee.

The big coincidence is that both facts were know by the west for four years, and nothing was done aboiut them.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 16:58

deweaponization
Who will enforce the law? And then what will happen to the chest beating of 'india can never overrun pakistan because every pakistani has a gun'?

This is only for baloch and Kaffurs.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 17:11

pakistan india trade talk

While no major breakthrough seems likely, on the table would be an Indian offer to export electricity and possibly sell petroleum products to Pakistan, which is faced with an acute energy crisis, officials say.

again mention of electricity export!! whats going on??

Pakistani officials also question the utility of MFN status, given the balance of trade which remains heavily tilted in India’s favour, citing “non-trade barriers” such as quality standards and customs procedure against Pakistani exports.

Riding high on pakistan love GoI can waive quality standards for the pakistani products. Can't take anything for granted.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 26 Apr 2011 17:22

ramana wrote:
Rangudu wrote:Ramana
I think India's Man Mohini Singh as found the antidote for TSPsura. Its Cold Start which will lead TSP to nuke themselves with every advancing column.

I got the same image in my mind when many moons ago shiv theorized about how india becoming secularized meant that tsp could only purify by fire.

but really, for a paranoid lashkar is their any dearth of reasons to start fire?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 26 Apr 2011 17:26

Only way India can help pakistan to grow economically is to export our best economist "MMS" to pakistan. MMS should become the finance minister of pakistan. Problems solved for everyone.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Apr 2011 19:39

OT for this thread.
But the US is now going to deploy Armed Preadator and Reaper drones in Libya against the Government forces.

Now we will get to see how effective these really are in the face of actual gunfire. The libyans will surely have anti aircraft and manpad cover present, rudimentary but still present.

Interesting thought: What happens if the Libyans shoot down a drone? The abduls in Pakistan will go crazy that their army and fizzaiya couldn't shoot down even one drone, while the libyans have shot down dorne(s)

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2011 20:11

Anujan wrote:Ex-ISI men likely behind 26/11 attacks, says Athar
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/26/ex-isi-m ... athar.html

Military spokesman Maj-Gen Athar Abbas has hinted at involvement of retired ISI officials in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, but categorically denied any role of serving spies.

Its a twist to the saying in TSPA "Old TSPA soldiers never die, they join the jihadi ranks!"

saip · Post by **saip** » 26 Apr 2011 20:55

abhijitm wrote:
saip wrote:What's wrong with these suicide bummers? Singles won't do. When r they going to score a century?
its a boundary so far.
four killed

First I thought they were suicide bombers and so only one dead meant a hit wicket. Now it looks like it is a little more sophisticated and they used remote control bombs. So suicide bombers in short supply?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 26 Apr 2011 21:09

No, they are just getting smarter. Remember recently a captured suicide bomber claimed almost 1000 professionals are being trained in NWFP academy.

saip · Post by **saip** » 26 Apr 2011 21:23

In the wiki leaks they said they arrested everyone wearing a particular model of Casio watch as these were used as timers for bombs and they were distributed by Al Quaeda!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Apr 2011 21:57

abhijitm wrote:deweaponization
Who will enforce the law? And then what will happen to the chest beating of 'india can never overrun pakistan because every pakistani has a gun'?

This is only for baloch and Kaffurs.

Only bans illicit use of weapons. Jeeharding kafirs still halaal.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Apr 2011 22:05

Pakistan's hypocrisy has run its course; it needs a new relationship with U.S.

In the short term, Islamabad and Washington need to negotiate a new counterterrorism relationship. The old strategy of ambiguous private compromise veiled by public dissembling has run its course. Pakistan's legitimate concerns should be weighed against the immediate threat to the American homeland and to U.S. forces in Afghanistan. This is a herculean task given the underlying strategic differences, but the alternative is likely to be much starker.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 26 Apr 2011 23:27

Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter @CChristineFair

I know this is getting slightly OT for this thread, but...

I finally went and looked at her twitter stream. She is definitely not being very "professional" (remember her slur against Arnab Goswami?). I wonder if she has done piskological analysis and determined that this is the right way to deal with Indians.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 26 Apr 2011 23:42

Prediction is - Eyes on Baluchistan due to this mess TSPA - US mess. Lets see if the fireworks start.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 26 Apr 2011 23:46

Nandu: May not be...she is a low level attack hound. To be discarded when the wind changes direction.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Apr 2011 23:54

Nandu wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:From twitter @CChristineFair
I know this is getting slightly OT for this thread, but...

I finally went and looked at her twitter stream. She is definitely not being very "professional" (remember her slur against Arnab Goswami?). I wonder if she has done piskological analysis and determined that this is the right way to deal with Indians.

She is a lightweight dork with nuisance value.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2011 23:59

Stephen "Uneven" Cohen was the lightest of minds in the late 70s. along the way he morphed into a TSP loving-India hating pit bull. The worst thing is due to his heading a politicial studies dept in Uty of Illinois he managed to shape/guide quite a few 'experts' Indian origin and otherwise.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Apr 2011 00:48

shyamd wrote:Prediction is - Eyes on Baluchistan due to this mess TSPA - US mess. Lets see if the fireworks start.

shyamd ji,
I have my eyes on the Ralph Peters map!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Apr 2011 01:03

What else do people expect the ISI to do?

Their primary job is to keep the Pakistani Army in power, well funded, and above and out of reach of all power centers in pakistan.

Fixing politicians is an important part of that game. If there are politicians who will subvert any anti-army move from within parliament and from within the government, and will play the shadow games with other countries at the behest of the army, that is what the army wants.

So it traditionally picks up politicians who are weak - like Imran Khan today, like Nawaz Sharif a few decades ago. These political newbies don't even have politicial parties, have no philosophy in life except to be politically expedient to advance their own careers. The ISI sets these guys up, makes a party for them, gets them alliance partners from the established political parties, advises them, and then fixes elections for them.

For example, they are setting up Imran Khan these days. They are going to the extent that they are selecting his electoral candidates, getting a party ready for him. They've made a deal between Imran Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf and the MQM, and one can see a huge amount of media space being given to Imran biradher these days.

The guy is at best a bumbling politician for godssake! And he is being set up to be PM of Pakistan.

Expectedly all the netas and parties who are bereft of the ISI's grace are up in arms and cribbing like hell.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Apr 2011 02:47

ramana wrote:Stephen "Uneven" Cohen was the lightest of minds in the late 70s. along the way he morphed into a TSP loving-India hating pit bull. The worst thing is due to his heading a politicial studies dept in Uty of Illinois he managed to shape/guide quite a few 'experts' Indian origin and otherwise.

So, Lightweight gora poli sci types tend to gravitate to paki side since SDRE Indians have a way of looking down on the intellectually inferior and their white egos can't take it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Apr 2011 02:51

The rumor is Begum Zia persoanlly used to serve samosas fried by her dainty hands to Unven Cohen to win him over. (Narrated to his own student!)

It was that kind of fawning attention that buys them over. Back in US they have to make their own coffee and eat a week old donut!