News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 15:46

amdavadi wrote:acharya

Navy SEAL team 6 doesnt exist...It is made up by media, but there is no mention of SEAL team 6.
SEAL doesnt go by team assignment...

not true. ST6 does exist although it has changed its name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ment_Group

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 15:51

Aditya_V wrote:Because Pakis know based on Past experience unlike the US we have to consider........

you made a long post but didn't answer my question. how does that comment by ACM Naik give a 'morale boost' to the pakis and why will they repeat it 100 times ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 May 2011 15:51

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... story.html

“The minutes passed like days,” said John O. Brennan, the administration’s chief counterterrorism adviser. “It was probably one of the most anxiety-filled periods of time, I think, in the lives of the people who were assembled.”

Obama's face certainly shows it. His body language is that of a little boy who is just sitting quietly scared in a corner
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshow ... 1304376154
Don't blame him though. The buck was going to stop with him and he gambled with a competent team and won.
Hialry Clinton's experssion is hidden behind a hand - she is seasoned player

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 15:53

hulaku wrote:I rarely post here but am a regular at Military Photos.

And there are subtle hints about India's role as some of the members there are actually service members of different Western Armed Forces.

There is a comment by a senior gent about "Navy Seals in Srinagar"

And then another guy who I know is a SpecOp based in Aghanistan taking about how the IAF chaps with him were elated and celebrating (in Afghanistan)

Interesting stuff to say the least.

link please.
thx.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 03 May 2011 15:54

Obama looks really small in that picture, for his stature! Strange, these images are usually quite "managed".

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 16:03

Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 03 May 2011 16:04

BBC news: ISI says it is extremely embarrassed, to have missed Bin Laden living under their nose

Chameleon quickly changing color

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 16:05

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2 ... ers/37260/

If it is true that Pakistani intelligence was helpful in locating bin Laden, and kept that matter secret, then we can begin to sort out our fraught relationship with that troubled country on a more equitable, trusting basis. If that turns out not to be the case, then there will be a dreadful reckoning to come.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 May 2011 16:06

What about average Paki soldiers hired during Zia-years? They must be pis*ed that they could not save their Sheikh?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 May 2011 16:07

I think the price would be to give USA a carte blanche on increasing its special forces and intelligence assets in Pakistan, and it would indeed involve the ability to go after all assets mentioned in the vast library of material taken away from the compound during Operation Geronimo!

USA would be getting full freedom to go after Haqqani Network, Quetta Shura and all others, by putting boots on the ground!

All the sh*t we hear about so-virginity is going to become a thing of the past!

America is about to jack up its presence in Pakistan in a very major way!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 16:08

Some pictures from M&G links above

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somebody , please save the picture.

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Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 May 2011 16:11

UBanerjee wrote:Obama looks really small in that picture, for his stature! Strange, these images are usually quite "managed".

I dont think so. To me he is leaning forward sitting in his chair.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 03 May 2011 16:13

Look at pictures 1,5,6

On 6 there is a flag/emblem of the chopper unit...can someone identify it?

chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 16:14

This angle is news to me:

US SEALs were told to avoid engaging Pak forces

The 'Abbottabad operation' against Osama bin Laden was planned till the last minute detail by the US intelligence and the American naval SEALs had been told to avoid chances of any engagement with Pakistani forces.

And top White House officials heaved a huge sigh of relief when the four US military helicopters were out of Pakistan air space just in the nick of time as clueless authorities in Islamabad were scrambling fighters to intercept them.

Pakistan should have been involved in Osama raid: Musharraf

"The Operation was designed to minimise the chances of engagement with Pakistani forces," John Brennan, President Barack Obama's Advisor on Counter-terrorism said.

"It was done very well," he said, adding that no Pakistani forces were engaged and there were no other individuals who were killed except those inside the compound.

Brennan's remarks came as other top US officials said that latest intelligence reports indicated that the al Qaeda chief had been living in the Abbottabad mansion for over six years.

He said Pakistani were only contacted after "all our people and aircraft were out of Pakistan airspace".

The US official said that at that time Pakistani's had begun reacting to the incidents that were taking place in Abbottabad. "Therefore, they were scrambling some of their assets."

"Clearly, we were concerned that if the Pakistanis decided to scramble jets or whatever else -- they didn't know who was on those jets. They had no idea about who might have been on there, whether it be US or somebody else," he said in response to a question.

"So we were watching and making sure that our people and our aircraft were able to get out of the Pakistani airspace, and thankfully there was no engagement with Pakistani forces," Brennan said.

US officials said in addition to bin Laden, one of his sons Khalid was killed in the raid while his wife got a shot in the calf, but survived.

Pakistan exposed, but US will keep up balancing act: Experts

They said also killed in the raid were bin Laden's trusted personal courier Sheikh Abu Ahmed and his brother. 23 children and nine women who were also in the compound were handed over to Pakistan authorities.

Brennan said the SEAL team which undertook the Operation believed that bin Laden had lived in the compound for six years.

The New York Times on Tuesday said that the President Obama had been presented three options for the Abbottabad operation, a US team to capture or kill the suspect, launching some kind of surgical strike like a bombing raid or waiting for the development of further intelligence.

Hunt on for owner of mansion where Osama was hiding

White House officials said the bombing run was discarded as it has a downside that it could cost civilian casualties and would leave little evidence as to the identity of those killed.

So, Obama took the option of a helicopter-borne raid as it would preserve the possibility of obtaining evidence.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 16:19

Gagan wrote:Posting this video of a room in Binladen's compound

This video shows 3 rooms in the compound. It is possible to place these rooms from the pattern of the windows, skylights, doors etc comparing with the outer pictures of the house.

These rooms are in the first floor of the house with a common bathroom on the opposite end of the corridor (something like a master-bedroom) and a kitchen in-between the two bedrooms, one of them doubling up as a store room/larder. The bedroom with copious amounts of blood on the floor and a big cot is the one on the right hand side (when viewed from the back). The store room was the one which has a hole blasted in the wall IIRC, so this was the point of entry after the seals had secured the perimeter.

OBL's bedroom had one window facing the mountains, I guess a single courier and one of the sons gave resistance by blocking the stairway.

Could the seals have used the helos to pull the grill off from the windows? This could have also lead to the crash, which would have lead the seals to blast a hole in the wall.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 May 2011 16:19

chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures

That house is a bunch of crap for $1 million!!!! Not worth it.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 03 May 2011 16:28

In all this talk of a new, more militant approach by US to pakistan, you are forgetting the (recently entered) elephant in the room - China. Its presence limits the options of US to push pakistan beyond a certain point.

Besides, pakistan is still useful in putting out various insurgencies on the Arabian peninsula. Which means that at the end of the day, US/KSA will still need them. This incident (UBL's death) will be used to flog some more concessions out of pakistan, but no more.

Didn't US forgive (nay, wink at) pakistan acquireing nukes? So what is sheltering a mere mass murderer?

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Things would really get interesting if US chose to confront pakistan, sending that country deeper into China's bosom. Then US China rivalry would really start playing out in the military sphere.

The situation is very different in pakistan, than say - Taiwan. Because in pakland, Chinese and US forces are in close physical proximity and can actually come in contact in hostile situation. In Taiwan, the straits limit the amount of violence as well as keeping armed forces of both conveniently far from each other. No such luxury in pakistan. The margin of error much smaller (Yippee).

I would really love to see US turn the screws on pakistan and enter a tense period wrt China

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There is a second aspect to this incident. With this, Obama has pulled an ace over Hillary. After she had cornered him over Qaddhafi/Libya issue. Obama takes back initiative with the killing of UBL.

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 03 May 2011 16:29

NRao wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures
That house is a bunch of crap for $1 million!!!! Not worth it.

Must be fortified from the inside.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 03 May 2011 16:33

NRao wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures
That house is a bunch of crap for $1 million!!!! Not worth it.

Who knows how complicated is the plan of house.. and what's underneath that house.. I am sure it must be having an elaborate and well fortified basement (to save the dweller from hellphyre or some other bunker busting bombs).

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 May 2011 16:37

Rahul M wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Because Pakis know based on Past experience unlike the US we have to consider........
you made a long post but didn't answer my question. how does that comment by ACM Naik give a 'morale boost' to the pakis and why will they repeat it 100 times ?

"Bhartis started threatening us but we were not cowed and they had to back off etc ..."

Besides points by Aditya.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 May 2011 16:38

It needed to look ordinary from outside. But there is GF extension to main building which is hidden behind high walls and also entrance seems to be complicated and well secured. It took billions of dollars to find the needle in a haystack, hidden in the Cantt. I also think cost of land would have been much being in prime locality.
btw, it was Unkil money given to Pak army ( routed to ISI or directly) which built this house so $1 mn is nothing.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 16:39

NRao wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures
That house is a bunch of crap for $1 million!!!! Not worth it.

Considering that the plot is near premier TSPA facilities and in an area which is the "closest you could get to Britain" (not my words), the real estate value of the land (which is pretty huge) could be high, the building is a depreciating asset anyway!

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 03 May 2011 16:42

anishns wrote:Look at pictures 1,5,6

On 6 there is a flag/emblem of the chopper unit...can someone identify it?

chaanakya wrote:Some interesting photos here
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... h-Pictures

It is the 4 swords emblem of the JSOC on a coat-of arms depiction. Correct me if i'm wrong.

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 03 May 2011 16:52

Bin Laden lived in Pakistan compound 5-6 years: U.S.

(Reuters) - Osama bin Laden lived for the past five to six years in the compound deep inside Pakistan where the al Qaeda leader was killed by U.S. forces, President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser said on Tuesday.

And EyeAssEye knew nothing

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 03 May 2011 17:01

jimmyray wrote:Bin Laden lived in Pakistan compound 5-6 years: U.S.
(Reuters) - Osama bin Laden lived for the past five to six years in the compound deep inside Pakistan where the al Qaeda leader was killed by U.S. forces, President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser said on Tuesday.
And EyeAssEye knew nothing

And US knew nothing either

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 03 May 2011 17:02

Closer look at Chopper tail rotor

Closer look at Chopper tail rotor 2

Closer look at Chopper tail rotor 2

1. Doesn't remotely look like anything you see open-source - not MH60, not CH47, not OH58 and not vanilla CH53.
2. Looks like like a 5-bladed tail rotor - again, none of the above have a 5-bladed tail rotor.
3. The horizontal tail-plane has an unusual placement - on MH60 it is at the extremity of the tail unit, CH47 has no conventional tail rotor, OH 58 has 2-bladed rotor with the horizontal planes set well ahead on the thin tail boom, and CH53 has a canted plane on the other side of the tail rotor.
4. On the other hand, have a look at the Sikorsky S76, particularly WRT to the placement of tail planes to vertical tail: S76 3-view
6. FWIW, an S76 variant: S75. Look at the shaping.
5: Whatever the base model is, the tail unit and rotor hub has some serious cladding, quite sure will be some radar/IR absorbent material

So... are we seeing for the 1st time an in-service (semi?)stealth assault chopper used only by JSOC? Makes sense for penetration into hostile airspace... Interesting.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 May 2011 17:11

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 03 May 2011 17:16

Rumsfeld spouting Pro-Pakistan crap on CNN... No wonder he could never get Osama.

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 May 2011 17:18

^^ So after 2 days of hungama, everything is now back to normal and another ( in the long list) of Paki perfidy is conveniently forgotten, leaving the SDREs wringing their hands?

Others have been strung up for 400% lesser offenses than Pak and yet, Pak will live to fight another day..

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2011 17:19

UBanerjee wrote:"Pakistan.. Pakistan... Pakistan...Pakistan!... PAKISTAN!"

No, please say it the way it was said in the video: Packestan...Packestan...

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 03 May 2011 17:20

That downed helo looks so different

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 03 May 2011 17:28

sum wrote:^^ So after 2 days of hungama, everything is now back to normal and another ( in the long list) of Paki perfidy is conveniently forgotten, leaving the SDREs wringing their hands?

Others have been strung up for 400% lesser offenses than Pak and yet, Pak will live to fight another day..

They must have extracted some price from the Paquis, so now soft-pedaling mode begins.

The only really nice thing to emerge out of this regarding US-Pak is increased domestic consciousness. Normally foreign policy in the US may as well be a black hole, but some domestic pressure may be brought to bear. Especially regarding purse strings. The republi-hawks will try to hammer Obama for being soft on Pakistan, at least that is the message going out right now (never mind GWB's tighter embrace!)

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2011 17:29

NRao wrote:That house is a bunch of crap for $1 million!!!! Not worth it.

That $1 M includes land value.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 03 May 2011 17:35

US will ask TSPA to go into Waziristan . Kayani will oblige . TSP will again become a good ally. But then pakis being pakis will again surrender enmasse to the mighty taliban. Kayani will cry hoarse and demand Chinook helos, talib radar jamming tools , trident missiles with nuke subs and then the last of it , few billion dollars. The lovefest will go on.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2011 17:39

sum wrote:^^ So after 2 days of hungama, everything is now back to normal and another ( in the long list) of Paki perfidy is conveniently forgotten, leaving the SDREs wringing their hands?

Others have been strung up for 400% lesser offenses than Pak and yet, Pak will live to fight another day..

See here in the TSP thread

We are somehow waiting to hear some 'good' news from Pakistan on account of some action by somebody who has a fairly close and much entangled relationship with that country and which clearly is not interested in (or incapable of) 'punishing' that country in any form.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2011 17:42

Who says Osama is a terrorist, ask Muslim religious leaders

Didn't some of these gentlemen say that Islam doesn't preach violence and that OBL cannot be called a Muslim? We need to dig their statements past 10 years

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 May 2011 17:44

land value, my foot in phuck-e-stan!? the cost of this one special ops is million times higher than that one place in the p-land.

btw, didn't obl blunder himself by not taking any mosque refuge? that is what I would ask to all those followers and imams - why they didn't do it? and spec ops would still get him..

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hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 03 May 2011 17:49

This is what I speculate will happen.

The brave Kammandus of the SSG would go 1 better than the Guru Devs and will capture Mullah Omar and present him to the great Khan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2011 17:56

hulaku, Mullah Omar will never be handed over by Pakistan. This has been discussed here.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 May 2011 17:57

Pranav wrote: "Bhartis started threatening us but we were not cowed and they had to back off etc ..."

Besides points by Aditya.

none of those comments will be taken as 'threatening us', however much TSPA might spin it.