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On the Mohammadden Sabbath of Friday a Mohammadden place of worship is suicide bombed in Indonesia.

Going by the report that the suicide bomber shouted “Allahu Akbar” just as he detonated his bomb it would appear that the Pakistani malaise of the Pure killing the Less Pure is spreading to Indonesia:
Friday, 15 April 2011

Suicide bomber hits Indonesian mosque

From Arab News

JAKARTA, Indonesia: A suicide bomber attacked an Indonesian mosque during Friday prayers, shouting “Allahu Akbar” as he detonated his device, wounding 26 people, officials said. The bombing occurred inside a police compound in the West Java town of Cirebon, and many of the victims were officers. ………………

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It’s Catching On… Fire! – Koran Burned In Iran
The complete video is 7:36 minutes long. I cut the beginning out. go to the link provided to see it in it's entirety.

Two anonymous young men in Iran, one Iranian and one Afghan, have burned a Koran in protest. This seven-and-a-half minute long video shows the two men, their faces obscured, holding the Muslim holy book and reading prepared statements. They say that Arabs have foisted this book and their homelands and because of it they have gone backwards for 1400 years. They say they dislike the Koran and want it to disappear, adding "Viva freedom!"

Afterwards they stand the Koran on a flat rock, douse it alcohol and light it. One of them hoots and laughs. The book burns fiercely, and after a few moments one of them sprays more alcohol into the flames. The video ends with them warming their hands over the blazing book.
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Alabama-grown:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13068133
Here Omar Hammami grew up, an all-American boy, baptised and church-going.

Here he discarded his upbringing and religion and turned to an ever more orthodox Islam.

And here he began a journey that has taken him to the wilds of Somalia, and a high profile position in al-Shabab, the brutal Islamist insurgent group.
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arun wrote:it would appear that the Pakistani malaise of the Pure killing the Less Pure is spreading to Indonesia:
that is how pakis ask for alms around the world... they do sooosai bum with AoA... that means give me bakshish

What does Indonesia have? Oil, money, dollaahs, wimmens... something must be there...
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Mark Steyn, The end of the world as we know it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25KEB3T ... ure=relmfu
Westren Europes growing Muslim population at 3.8 per couple compared to the ethnic European average of 1.3 per couple is going to change demographics in a big way by 2040.
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In Bangladesh Mohammaden Cleric, Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini, has threatened to wage Jihad if the Bangladesh Government passes any law banning child marriage.

The Cleric’s opposition to a ban on child marriage is reportedly owing to his view that a ban “will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge“ :
Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad

by Special Correspondent
April 20, 2011 ……………………..

Mufti Amini said, "Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old".

He said, "The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge."

Fazlul Haque Amini further said, "Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women." ……………………..

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Militants wanted to film, broadcast Indonesian church attack, police say

By Niniek Karmini, The Associated Press–1 day ago

Islamic militants involved in a plot to bomb an Indonesian church ahead of Easter celebrations wanted to film and broadcast the inferno, which would have occurred as thousands of people were arriving for services, police said Friday. ……………..

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The English Defense League EDL was born two years ago. It was a day in march 2009, when the Anglican Regiment held its homecoming march in Luton, from Afghanistan. When every patriotic Englishmen were welcoming their lads back home, a couple of Islamists (read Pakis- and who else but that very scum), held a demonstration, shouting Allahu Akbar, and chanting slogans against NATO presence in Afghanistan. (imagine our boys coming back from Kargil, and we have a couple of guys, with a black flag! By god i would have personally slaughtered their brains)

It pissed off many, especially the football fans of England, and that was the beginning of EDL. In two years EDL has spread across England, with the simple slogan " Patriotism is not Racism"
EDL is not against Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics or Protestants....its about those who do not integrate themselves into the British Culture and want Sharia laws in Britain. Its about those British Muslims, who plan attacks like the 7/7, its about them who are negative about gender equality and homosexuality. Its about those "satanic verses" in the Koran that need to be abrogated, so that, there is peace amongst people.

As an Indian Im proud that we have a person of Indian origin, who is a spokesperson, of EDL, Mr.Gurmit Singh. As a Sikh he would know better, the scrooge of Islamism than
anyone else. Good luck EDL, hope the day would come, when English men behave like men with spine and not poodles !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRrl57Cq ... re=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League
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Kuwaiti professor about the prospect about using Anthrax over United States!
It takes 4 kilos , exported through the drug tun ells in Mexico and spread into USA and its major cities that will kill 330,000 ppl, in one hour! he says!?
My only question to him his, " The reverse can also be true" and when 3.3 hundred thousand Kuwaitis are not there, on earth, What will remain of you?
These are the nuts we are faced with! No wonder we do not get sleep!
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India needs an Anjem to wake it up from its slumber

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Study shows that Muslims will conquer the world by 2050: SIOE (Stop Islamization of Europe)
United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) calculations show that the world population is rapidly increasing, having reached 6.9 billion in 2010 and will near 9.15 billion by 2050.

The world of the future will be crowded, impoverished, and Islamic.

The UNFPA data suggests that India’s population rose by 16 million, totaling 1.21 billion, this year and it is expected that the nation’s population will witness an increase of 400 million, reaching 1.61 billion and surpassing China, in 2050.

The sharp rise in India’s population will come from Muslims, who now constitute 14% of the country’s population. Muslim women in India display a much higher Total Fertility Rate (TFR) than Hindus. On average, the number of children born to Indian Muslim women is 4.1, for Indian Hindu women 2.9.

The TFR figures support the calculation that the Islamic population of India will reach 340 million within the next forty years.


Guys, how about shutting down your computers, going home and making love! I suggest a fertility rate of Laloo Prasad!
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University campuses are 'hotbeds of Islamic extremism' Islamic fundamentalism is being allowed to flourish at universities, endangering national security, MPs and peers say.
Secret files obtained by The Daily Telegraph and WikiLeaks disclosed this week that at least 35 terrorists held at Guantánamo Bay were indoctrinated by extremists in Britain.

The leaked documents, written by senior US military commanders, illustrated how Britain effectively became a crucible of terrorism over the course of two decades.

The parliamentary group was set up two years ago to carry out research into homeland security issues.

Its inaugural report comes after a separate inquiry by the umbrella organisation for universities earlier this year said animal rights extremists posed a greater problem than Islamist radicals.

Universities UK, which represents vice-chancellors, said it could do very little about extremism on campus. Instead it issued new guidance on the importance of freedom of speech. Their report followed the attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a former student at University College London, to blow himself up using a bomb in his underpants as a flight came in to land at Detroit on Christmas Day, 2009.

Abdulmutallab, an engineering student, was the Islamic Society president from 2006 to 2007.

The parliamentarians' report said Britain's homeland security strategy failed to address in sufficient detail how to tackle the threat of extremism at universities, how to strengthen businesses' ability to deal with a terrorist attack and how to ensure security over the internet.

The report said some universities and colleges had become sites where extremist religion and radicalism could flourish "beyond the sight of academics".

They also noted that there was a "reluctance to co-operate with the police on the part of some universities that did not want to be seen to be 'spying' on their students".

The MPs and peers said universities presented a "unique challenge". However, "in some cases [they] evidently struggle to establish the correct balance between academic freedoms and university authorities' responsibilities as part of ensuring homeland security."

In the report, entitled Keeping Britain Safe, the MPs and peers said the problem of universities as places of radicalisation required "urgent and sustained attention by the new Government".

Several witnesses had flagged up "serious problems" evident in universities and the issue was of "grave concern." The problems they cited included examples of extremist preachers being invited on to campuses.

Abdulmutallab was only one in a long line of university students to become involved in terrorism.

A recent survey found that 31 per cent of those convicted of terrorist-related offences had attended university and 10 per cent were still students when they were arrested. Two of the July 7 bombers had been students.

Think tanks have highlighted a succession of extremist speakers invited to deliver lectures unopposed at university Islamic societies, including UCL.

Westminster University recently elected students with links to the extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir as president and vice-president of the student union.

The report also raised “significant concerns” over unregulated foreign funding of universities. It said that, in many cases, the funding had a political purpose and could have direct effects upon the institutional structure, curriculum, appointments and the schedule of events.

The London School of Economics was among the controversial recipients of foreign aid, accepting a donation of £1.5 million from a trust controlled by Col Muammar Gaddafi’s son, Saif.

The report quoted one witness, Prof Anthony Glees, of Buckingham University, who said Arab and other foreign governments had ploughed £240 million into Islamic studies courses at universities over the past 10 years.

The report said the role of businesses in preparing for emergencies such as terrorist attacks was “highly problematic”.

The Government’s new counter-terrorism strategy will aim to “prevent the import and dissemination of extremist written material and speech which promotes hatred” on campus, the report said.

“These are welcome initiatives which must be implemented forcefully,” the MPs added. “This complex subject requires further attention. It has been an obvious and neglected problem for too long and must be tackled as a matter of utmost urgency.”

The report also found that the processes behind the National Security Strategy (NSS) and the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) were “deeply unsatisfactory”.

“Too much was done in too little time, consultations were not extensive enough and it presents a lost opportunity for a sophisticated debate about internal and external defence,” it said.

Bernard Jenkin, the group’s chairman, said: “The NSS and SDSR are not a satisfactory basis for the UK’s homeland security strategy for the next five years.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... emism.html
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... arget.html
Muslim group claims royal wedding is legitimate terror target
The royal wedding is a “legitimate target” for a terrorist attack because of Britain’s foreign policy and the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, a radical Islamic group has claimed.
Muslims Against Crusades, which had its application to protest on Friday turned down by police, yesterday urged Muslims to stay away from central London when Prince William marries Kate Middleton and to avoid all means of public transport due to the heightened risk of an attack.
Assad Ullah, leader of the extremist campaign group, insisted that it had no “inside knowledge” but was simply repeating security fears that have already been widely reported. “There is a legitimate Islam opinion that those who have been attacked have the right to retaliate,” he said. “British foreign policy is causing this kind of feeling and increasing the instability in this country. We do not advocate violence but can see how they made themselves a legitimate target for others.” Announcing that the group had abandoned its plans to protest against the wedding, group spokesman Abu Abbas said: “We urge all Muslims to stay away from the royal wedding, not only because of the drinking, drug taking and sexual promiscuity but because of the likelihood of an attack by the Mujahideen.
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UKIP candidate in Leicester South by-election calls Islam "morally flawed and degenerate"
Regine Anderson, UKIP's candidate for Leicester's first elected Mayor, is busy concentrating on her A levels. So it has fallen to Abhijit Pandya, the party's candidate in the Leicester South by-election, to make a splash in the media.
And he has not let UKIP down.
The UKIP candidate for the Leicester South by-election has caused outrage by condemning Islam on his blog.
In the article,
Abhijit Pandya called Islam "morally flawed and degenerate" and said he backed a controversial Dutch politician, who called Islam a retarded ideology
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You can find the full article on Pandaya's blog, but here are a few choice excerpts:
"Campaigning in Leicester recently, I have been shocked to discover the quanta of those from Islamic backgrounds on one form of a benefit or another.""Islamic culture inherently rejects the Western way of life, more specifically the Protestant work ethic, that has successfully built the economies of the West. The increase of Islam in the UK is going to be a problem for the welfare state.""A removal of multi-culturalism and assimilation of these people needs to done to save them from the abyss of exclusion and welfare. Above all, one should not shy away of contemplating forced repatriation, or threatening it to further assimilation, as a result of their lack of economic contribution to the UK."pandaya, incidentally, is UKIP's "Head of Research". You get the impression that is not too onerous a position.
http://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2011 ... th-by.html
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Sushupti wrote:India needs an Anjem to wake it up from its slumber
What makes you think there aren't any Anjem's in India ? Almost every mosque has one. What about 'Dr'. Zakir Naik ? Just because some of the mad-rassah mullahs are not internet/media savvy does not mean that we don't have cancerous elements. Steeped in 'secularism' and lacking in cojones, our media will never criticize radical Islam unlike the American media that takes it head-on these days.
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In India we do not have media which is right of the center. May be Pioneer come to mind. But in US you have Fox to start and down to many papers etc. Blogs are there.
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OBL apologises to his children in his will.

Of particular note in the article is this:
To his children, he cites a precedent in the Islamic texts to tell them not to fight in Jihad. He refers to a passage where Omar bin al-Khattab, the next Islamic leader after the prophet Mohammad, also wrote to his son, Abdulla, not to engage in holy war.

"You, my children, I apologise for giving you so little of my time because I responded to the need for Jihad," the will states.
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Mohammadden mob sets two Coptic Christian churches on fire in Cairo:

Toll in Egypt church attack rises to 10
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RajeshA wrote:Study shows that Muslims will conquer the world by 2050: SIOE (Stop Islamization of Europe)
United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) calculations show that the world population is rapidly increasing, having reached 6.9 billion in 2010 and will near 9.15 billion by 2050.

The world of the future will be crowded, impoverished, and Islamic.

The UNFPA data suggests that India’s population rose by 16 million, totaling 1.21 billion, this year and it is expected that the nation’s population will witness an increase of 400 million, reaching 1.61 billion and surpassing China, in 2050.

The sharp rise in India’s population will come from Muslims, who now constitute 14% of the country’s population. Muslim women in India display a much higher Total Fertility Rate (TFR) than Hindus. On average, the number of children born to Indian Muslim women is 4.1, for Indian Hindu women 2.9.

The TFR figures support the calculation that the Islamic population of India will reach 340 million within the next forty years.



Guys, how about shutting down your computers, going home and making love! I suggest a fertility rate of Laloo Prasad!
As troubling as it is, I really dont see Hindus getting back to producing as many children. Its becoming rare to see a young urban Hindu family with 2 children, let alone more than that. And when compared, I dont even remember when I last saw a Muslim family with less than 3 children. I recall a recent report by GoI saying 'More than 20 million Muslim families use contraceptives and hence, fears of demographic change are unfounded'. Well, I personally dont see that Muslim population growth coming down. Every single family I recall has some 5-6 children. As more and more urbanization occurs, the Hindu rate will fall further while Muslim rate will remain steady. Demographic change in India is inevitable.
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The elephant in the room is the question - Can a muslim be a muslim without covreting kafirs to the true faith. The answer is no. That is the absolute basis of the religion - muslims know the truth, the non muslims do not, therefore it is our absolute duty as muslims to spread truth hence destroy falsehood and do gods work. Also Mohammed was the last prophet and says my word is what God wants and there will be no one after me. So the message is clear, it is recored in the book and there is no room for later prophets to say anything else. Frankly its simple and brilliant.

The only choice now is do you believe or not. If you do then by not converting the Kafir you are not doing Gods work and hence are not a muslim. So if you are a 'moderate' muslim deep down your subsconscious will always ask that question - if the Quran is true and I am a follower then the logical conclusion is that I must convert others!

That is why Islam cannot coexist with other 'religions' including Christianity. Christianity is both similar and different. Since it has a very strong political church organization and a community and converting basis it has the basis for a strong political counterforce to Islam. And that is what determines its repsonse to growing concerns of Islamization in the west.

Not sure how many saw the Pope's visit to UK last year. It was very enlightening. The Pope and the Archbishop of Canterburry joined forces (Catholics+Anglicans) to ward of the secular threat to the church. That includes Islam as well. The political strength of the churches and the very definition of christendom means that one of the most importnat identities of the west is christianity. It doesnt matter if people actually go to church its the identity that matters. And thats what will define the battlelines against Islam in the west.
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Kittooji,

You are right but on an OT note, think of Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh. If you have the vision and the guts then numbers dont matter! On that happy note I am taking Rajeshji's advice. After all who am I to argue with a senior member;-)
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 32744.html

Irshad Manji
Prof. Bilgrami chalks up the defensiveness of moderate Muslims to their fear that openly criticizing other Muslims "would amount to a surrender," the ultimate abdication of group honor—and thus identity—to a contemptuous West. But, as Prof. Bilgrami astutely points out, the reverse holds true: The final triumph for colonizers is the Muslim habit of denying and deflecting our internal dysfunction. Avoidance strips Muslims of the ability to be introspective and, therefore, free. Moderate Muslims throttle the very moderation to which they claim to be devoted.....

It is time for those who love liberal democracy to join hands with Islam's reformists. Here is a clue to who's who: Moderate Muslims denounce violence committed in the name of Islam but insist that religion has nothing to do with it; reformist Muslims, by contrast, not only deplore Islamist violence but admit that our religion is used to incite it.
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Report: Islamic Shariah is in American State Courts
We are most certainly watching an invasion of our nation by Islamists bent on inserting their degenerate Shariah system into our country, and as I said, the equally degenerate Left is their partner in crime.

One example is a story linked by Robert Spencer at his website Jihad Watch from the NewKerala.com news site.

On Monday, during the voir dire process of a closely-watched trial for an Islamic terror-supporting suspect, a federal judge in Chicago struck from the potential jury anyone who looked on Islam with disfavor. Yes, it seems that in this American court, you will not be allowed on the jury if you understand the true nature of Islam.

The accused is Tahawwur Hussain Rana, a Chicago businessman who is accused of providing cover for a mastermind of the Mumbai terrorist attacks that killed 166 people.

As reported in the story,

“Judge James Leinenweber spent the entire day questioning possible jurors, keeping the main thrust of his inquiry on establishing whether they had demonstrably negative views about Islam as a religion and Muslims as a community. While by and large the jurors said they had no particular antipathy towards either, some, such as juror number 14, said he did not respect Islam.

In his reply to a questionnaire that was distributed among the potential 100 jurors May 16, this particular juror reportedly wrote, ‘Terrorists are mainly Muslims, or am I wrong?’ He was promptly excused by the judge in the interest of a fair trial for Rana.”

Talk about true “jury rigging”! So, we’re going to scour the land in terror cases to find only people who approve of Islam? Give me a break! As Robert Spencer wrote in comment on the story,

“But on what basis does Judge James Leinenweber think that a rosy, fact-free belief in Islam as a Religion of Peace and a ‘respect’ for Islam will help ensure that Tahawwur Hussain Rana will get a fair trial? Why should this make any difference one way or the other? If a juror who knows that jihadists use Islamic texts and teachings to justify violence and supremacism would be more likely to convict Rana, why wouldn’t it also be true that a juror who thinks that Islam is a peaceful religion that has been hijacked by a Tiny Minority of Extremists be more likely to acquit Rana?”

Exactly; and perhaps that is the point here—sympathy for the devil, so to speak. One of the main things jurors are required to swear to do is to weigh the facts of the case at hand and render an honest judgment based on those facts. This type of jury screening assumes that people are lying when they say they will weigh only the facts of the case.

But, I do find it fairly hard to believe that all those people who claimed ambivalence toward Islam were telling the truth, anyway. It is quite unlikely that—if nothing else—they have no memory of 9-11. Still, just because a person understands the true, uncivilized nature of Islamic doctrine, does not mean he is unable to give an impartial judgment of the facts in the case. Regardless, here is just one example of the pro-Islamist slant of the Left in our nation.
When following the Rana Trial related reports did notice and felt its peculiar why a potential jurors view on a religion of accused has any bearing what so ever on trying him for the case? Is it normal practice in US courts to check if any juror has unfavorable impression of accused religion ?
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Terrorism conviction for Mohammadden cleric originating from Trinidad and Tobago in the US:

Imam convicted in JFK bomb plot
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Patni ji, there was a similar weeding out of Hindu's and Jews in UQistan on a trial for some hate preacher.
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Muslim teenage beauty queen 'stoned to death'
A teenage Muslim girl has been stoned to death in Ukraine after taking part in a beauty contest, it has been claimed.

The body of 19-year-old Katya Koren was found dumped in a forest on the Crimean peninsula a week after she went missing amid suggestions that she had been 'punished' for flouting Sharia law.

Police said that Miss Koren, a former participant in regional heats of the Miss Ukraine beauty pageant, had suffered multiple blows to the head inflicted by one or more stones or rocks.

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Tackling terror: UK cabinet nod for crackdown on Muslim NGOs
LONDON: British PM David Cameron has prevailed in a hotly debated cabinet review calling for crackdown on moderate and non-violent Islamic organizations to counter terrorism. The details of this policy will be unveiled by home minister Theresa May perhaps as early as Tuesday.

Cameron's press office told TOI that it does not discuss details of cabinet meetings, but did not deny Cameron's pushing through with the new policy. Government sources revealed Cameron had said that even moderate Muslim organisations could be breeding grounds for extremists and a stepping stone to violence. Among those who strongly opposed Cameron's position was Pakistani-origin chairperson of Conservative party, Baroness Sayeeda Warsi. However, she was instructed not to air her disagreement in public.

The strategy, known as 'Prevent', will provide a broader definition of extremism, expanding this to include non-violent NGOs which advocate Sharia law in Britain.

They will now be considered ''un-British''. May's declaration could, in fact, warn Muslim groups that public funding will be withdrawn from them unless they meet more stringent conditions. The head of the Indian Muslim Federation (IMF) in the UK, Shamsuddin Agha, said this was scare-mongering. But he distanced IMF from hardcore Muslims by stressing: ''We're Indian Muslims. Its a different brand of Islam.''
Do you like this story?
At least Britishers have got their senses back. There is no such called moderateism or extremism in Islam, they will just morph themselves between these forms depending upon situation and time.
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Female war prisoners should be sex slaves for men
Female Kuwaiti politician syas:

A woman politician from Kuwait has sparked anger and disbelief by calling for legalization of sex slaves, saying it would protect men from adultery, and suggesting that female prisoners from war-torn countries should be purchased for the same, as it would be a "better life" for them, and they would not die of starvation.
“There was no shame in it and it is not haram" (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law,” Mutairi claimed.
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/femal ... n/800931/0
Female war prisoners should be sex slaves for men: Politician
A woman politician from Kuwait has sparked anger and disbelief by calling for legalization of sex slaves, saying it would protect men from adultery, and suggesting that female prisoners from war-torn countries should be purchased for the same, as it would be a "better life" for them, and they would not die of starvation.

Salwa al Mutairi, who once ran for parliament, argued buying a sex slave would protect decent, devout and "virile" Kuwaiti men from adultery or being seduced by other women's beauty because an imported sex partner would be tantamount to marriage, reports the Daily Mail.

“There was no shame in it and it is not haram" (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law,” Mutairi claimed.

To justify her claim, she cites an 8th century Muslim leader Haroun al-Rashid, who is rumoured to have had 2,000 mistresses.

Mutairi recommended that offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way that recruitment agencies provide housemaids.
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shiv wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/femal ... n/800931/0
Female war prisoners should be sex slaves for men: Politician
A woman politician from Kuwait has sparked anger and disbelief by calling for legalization of sex slaves, saying it would protect men from adultery, and suggesting that female prisoners from war-torn countries should be purchased for the same, as it would be a "better life" for them, and they would not die of starvation.

Salwa al Mutairi, who once ran for parliament, argued buying a sex slave would protect decent, devout and "virile" Kuwaiti men from adultery or being seduced by other women's beauty because an imported sex partner would be tantamount to marriage, reports the Daily Mail.

“There was no shame in it and it is not haram" (forbidden) under Islamic Sharia law,” Mutairi claimed.

To justify her claim, she cites an 8th century Muslim leader Haroun al-Rashid, who is rumoured to have had 2,000 mistresses.

Mutairi recommended that offices could be opened to run the sex trade in the same way that recruitment agencies provide housemaids.
I hope folks dont dismiss this as a laughing matter. The Kuwait politician is absolutely correct in that such a practice of using captives as sex slaves is sanctioned in islam, in fact, mohamad himself used that as rationale to allow his followers to rape the captive women of the Banu Quraysh tribe. And in fact, such a use of sex slaves is justified on precisely the same grounds as the kuwaiti woman did. Such filth is extolled as an example of "islamic charity and kindness. Otherwise these poor women would starve and die." Of course, left unsaid is that these war captives were destitute and defenceless precisely because their menfolk were slaughtered by moslems.

To wit, this practice is sanctioned by allah himself and mohammad actually used this "revelation" to his advantage many times.
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^^^ +1 ( Shiv's Post).

The UK’s Daily Mail on the same story of the woman legislator from Kuwait calling for the allowing of sex slaves for Kuwaiti Men :

Men should be allowed sex slaves and female prisoners could do the job - and all this from a WOMAN politician from Kuwait

Lest this event be painted as a Buddhist/Christian/Hindu/Jewish/Jain/Sikh/ plot to malign Mohammaddenism the same story from Arab sources. First from Al Arabiya:

The curious case of the woman who thinks sex slaves will stop Arab men from committing adultery

Second from the Kuwait Times:

Female activist calls for legalizing sex slavery

Third from the Emirati paper The National:

Men should have sex slaves, says female Kuwaiti politician
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A couple of Posts from the link Arun mentions which explains the mindset and why I feel that unless countries in the Arab world are confronted with thier Past wrongs like Hindus were with respect to Sati things are not going to change. The start should be made with the Holocust/Ethnic cleansing of Occupied Kashmir and Pakjab of Hindus and Sikhs
'For example, in the Chechnyan war, surely there are female Russian captives,' she said.

'So go and buy those and sell them here in Kuwait. Better than to have our men engage in forbidden sexual relations.'

She insisted, 'I don’t see any problem in this, no problem at all'.

In an attempt to consider the woman's feelings in the arrangement, Mutari conceded that the enslaved women, however, should be at least 15.
One Saudi mufti supposedly told Mutairi: 'The context must be that of a Muslim nation conquering a non-Muslim nation, so these jawari have to be prisoners of war.
Infact sometimes, for many of our secular crowd who never utter a word against treatment of women or minorities in Saudi or Pak should be sent there Male/female slaves to understand the ideology they support to achive narrow Political gains.

Unless many in Saudi Arabia, Paki establishment are brought to book over the inhumane treatment of other Muslims/Non-Muslims there is going to be no end extremism from certain Fundamentalists.
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why I feel that unless countries in the Arab world are confronted with thier Past wrongs like Hindus were with respect to Sati things are not going to change.

Few things about Sati i found out. First it was not endemic all over India, but only in certain communities. Second it did not have doctrinal sanction. Third, according to documentation by the British themselves the number of cases of Sati over 50 years 3 centuries ago was less than the number of women burnt by the Church as witches. Fourth Hindu's did not take much resistance to give up evils in society and reforming these sort of cultural practises as doctrinal santion for such is just not there. Muslims are handicapped to a large extent, as doctrinal sanction as Sadler ji mentions is there for keeping sex slaves, murdering critics etc. The fight for reforming Islam is not an easy one.
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Yes, but the later confrontation the more terrible will the consquences be, rather than being ruderless like DIE and European Elite.
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http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1107388
ramana wrote:Shiv, I am now reading books on the early Caliphs after Muhammad. I would like to draw some analogies after explaining what I learned.

One interesting phenomeon in Islamic society is along as the pure are invovled in external jihad (razza) or outward facing they are all happy. When they have to take on the inner jihad/struggle they turn extremely violent. The reason is they think the outward jihad is blunted as they are not adhering/following the book.

When Ali, the fourth Caliph, met the forces of Muwayyia in Syria and ended up in a parley (reasons are irrelevant here), he lost the support of his adherents led by Wahab called Kharjites or Rejectionists (not Wahaab of Riyadh, who came ~1000 years later with same idea). These Kharjites took up the law unto themsleves and would attack others claiming to be more Islamic then the rest. Their standard tactic was to declare the other as apostate and kill them.

Ali eventually defeated them but didn't eliminate them to his own disadvantage. He got murdered by a Kharjite who screamed the apostate charge while killing him with a poisoned sword.

Now come to TSP. In 1971, the Pak Army got a massive defeat but was not destroyed thanks to US intervention and lack of understanding.
Bhutto came to power and stabilised the TSP and prevented its fracture.
Zia ul Haq deposed him and called him a traitor and hanged him. Zia then let lose the Islamist/Rejectionist meme in the TSPA and larger society. In effect he started the Kharjitification of Pakistan. This was because they could not fight outwards ie the greater jihad got blunted and the inner jihad to better themsleves could not be tolerated.

Its the Kharjite meme that propels Zia ul Haq kind of Islamic leaders and
Qadri kind of killers/murderers.
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A book review in Telegraph, Kolkata

Convert a Tale of Exile and Extremism

RAINBOW AND GRANITE


The Convert: A Tale of Exile and Extremism By Deborah Baker, Viking, Rs 450

In her essay, “The New Biography” (1927), Virginia Woolf, quoting Sir Sidney Lee’s remark that “the aim of biography is the truthful transmission of personality”, writes: “No such single sentence could more neatly split up into two parts the whole problem of biography as it presents itself to us today. On the one hand there is truth; on the other there is personality. And if we think of truth as something of granite-like solidity and of personality as something of rainbow-like intangibility and reflect that the aim of biography is to weld these two into one seamless whole, we shall admit that the problem is a stiff one and that we need not wonder if biographers have for the most part failed to solve it.” Woolf, of course, was writing this at a time when the art of life-writing was in its infancy. Since then, biographers have failed in varying degrees in getting the right mix of granite and rainbow. Deborah Baker, however, belongs to the category of those who have succeeded. I was tempted to add ‘miraculously’ after ‘succeeded’, but The Convert proves that the process of combining fact and fiction involves more painstaking research and detective work than miracles. In fact, if this book has a setting, it is the New York Public Library’s archives and manuscript division, from where starts the story of Margaret Marcus of Larchmont as told by Deborah Baker, when the latter chances upon 24 letters written between 1962 and 1996 by Margaret.

Baker’s version starts on April 18, 1962, when Maulana Abul A’la Mawdudi of Icchra, Lahore sends a letter to young Maryam Jameelah, expressing his joy at her acceptance of his invitation to come to Pakistan and live in his home. This Maryam Jameelah was known as Margaret Marcus in another life of intense dissatisfaction, when she was the daughter of middle-class Jewish-American parents, Herbert and Myra Marcus. In the early 1960s, when she was 28 years old, Margaret converted to Islam, because, as she said in a letter to her parents, she had chosen “to live according to her most deeply held beliefs”. Later, in Pakistan, Margaret would become a fierce apologist for Islam, upholding its values as the panacea for all that ails the West. Rejecting the idea of parenthood as she believed was embodied in Herbert and Myra, she found a surrogate father in Mawdudi, better known as the founder of the radical Islamic group, the Jamaat-e-Islami, and a home in Islam. In denouncing her biological parents and their faith, Margaret was indicting not just her upbringing but also the whole of the philistine West. As she sailed to Pakistan on the Maulana’s invitation, she watched ordinary men and women going about their daily tasks in Muslim Egypt and wrote: “I see their dignity and gentleness, their exquisite manners and open-arm hospitality, their unquestioning faith. I envy them their lives, beyond the reach of ‘technical assistance’ and the poisoned fruit of modernization.”

This will sound precocious if one is in a kind mood, and annoyingly patronizing and ignorant if one is inclined to be less than charitable. The letter from which the above sentences are quoted comes at the very beginning of the book. It is the first letter in Margaret’s own voice, following the two from Mawdudi and Herbert Marcus. Baker allows the reader to form her own judgment of Margaret before she begins to analyse and interpret her subject for the reader. After the letter, Baker joins in to say: “Anonymity is my vocation. I inhabit the lives of my subjects until I think like them…. I find myself most susceptible to those tuned to an impossible pitch, poets and wild-eyed visionaries who live their lives close to the bone. Haunting archives, reading letters composed in agony and journals thick with unspeakable thoughts, I sound the innermost chambers of unquiet souls; unearth dramas no one would ever think to make up.”

So here is the image of the biographer as a bookworm, leading an unassuming life hidden among dusty shelves in library archives, but with a secret life in which she sometimes becomes “a woman who dreamed of words as numbers” (In Extremis: The Life of Laura Riding), sometimes the gaily-feathered Beatnik poets (A Blue Hand), and here, a damaged idealist who gave up the supposed freedom of a Western lifestyle for the dark security of the purdah. Writing biographies becomes a kind of fictioneering, as the writer enters the lives of her subjects imaginatively and sees feelingly. So much for the rainbow. The letters, journals and writings form the bedrock of granite from which the flights of fancy take off. Baker gives another twist to Margaret’s already twisted tale by confessing at the end that she has “rewritten and greatly condensed [Margaret’s] letters”. But before Baker, her subject herself had rewritten her own life in the letters, manipulating facts to suit her needs.

Since life-writing is in vogue now, Baker’s efforts would probably have gone unnoticed had it not been for her sharpness and the disarming honesty with which she takes the reader along with her on the quest for her subject’s haunted life. The assumed reader is another ficto-fact which Baker keeps addressing constantly even as she sifts through Margaret’s correspondence. She can expertly pre-empt the reader’s responses because she is not just the author of Margaret’s life but also the reader of the fiction Margaret creates of herself in her letters.

Taken in by the tale of the upright exile, Baker ardently examines Margaret’s life for answers to such searing questions as: is the bridge between the East and the West really unbridgeable, as Margaret seemed to insist, or are they caricatures of each other? Can one find a solid justification for Mawdudi’s call for global jihad if one looks from the East to the West instead of the other way round? In other words, to use the well-worn cliché, is one man’s freedom-fighter the other man’s terrorist? At no point does Baker trust Margaret completely as a narrator. Yet, as a baffled researcher “exiled to a state of devastation and doubt” by the seemingly irreconcilable differences and, more alarmingly, by the similarities, between the Orient and the Occident, she “looked to her for the outsider’s crucial insight, a blind seer’s clarifying truth”.

Starting off from New York, touching base in Lahore, the search ends where it all began — in the lunatic asylum. Margaret, with her persistent questioning of the values the West lived by, had been diagnosed with schizophrenia by American doctors who swore by Freud, and institutionalized. She had found her way out in Islam and Pakistan. Yet, within a few months of her stay in Pakistan, Margaret is committed to an asylum again, this time by Mawdudi, who had once welcomed her to a new life of dubious freedom.

Perhaps Margaret, with her obsession for absolutes, had always been mad. Or is madness another name for discomfiting questions which society must disavow to keep itself safe? Whatever the case may be, as Baker reads the descriptions of Margaret’s interactions with her American psychiatrists (who inevitably attribute her uncontrollable anger at and extreme disaffection with America’s cherished ideals to sexual repression), she finds in them an “uncanny portrayal of the relationship between America and the Muslim world: a catastrophic folie à deux in which both sides brought out the monster in each other”.

With monsters and madness we are back to Herr Freud, one of whose doomsayings forms the epigraph to this book: “Whoever undertakes to write a biography binds himself to lying, to concealment, to hypocrisy, to flummery.” After going through the tumult that is The Convert, such a pronouncement sounds ridiculously uni-dimensional, if not entirely false. This work does not lie, it just blurs the boundaries between truth and falsity, between fiction and fact. The meaning of the book is condensed in its jerky form, which becomes the battleground where the inner demons of the West and the East fight one another over a seemingly insignificant woman who had the courage to summon them up. Perhaps this is what Woolf, in her essay, “The Art of Biography”, had called “that high degree of tension which gives us reality”.

ANUSUA MUKHERJEE
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Another book review:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1105368

Lesley Hazleton - After the Prophet: The Epic Story of the Shia-Sunni Split in Islam

Publisher: Doubleday (September 15, 2009) | Language: English | ISBN-10: 0385523939 | 256 pages |
Much American foreign policy has been shaped by the centuries-old disagreement between Islam's two main factions, and yet Americans in general, and our politicians in particular, often can't tell Sunnis from Shi'ites. With the publication of this outstanding book, we no longer have any excuse. Hazleton ties today's events to their ancient roots, resurrecting seventh century Arabia with reverence and vivid immediacy. Here are rich recreations of the lives of the Prophet Muhammad and his beloved wife Aisha; here are often overlooked details (why is green the color of Islam? why do some Muslim women veil?) filling in the contours of the narrative. The battle to name Muhammad's successor is gripping—but it is Hazleton's ability to link the past and present that distinguishes this book: the main issue is again what it was in the seventh century—who should lead Islam?—played out on an international level. Where Ali once struggled against Muawiya, Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia today vie with each other for influence. Anyone with an interest in the Middle East, U.S.-international relations or a profound story masterfully told will be well served by this exceptional book.
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Above book gives a fascinating vignette on political Islam in the early days. It show:

- The succession was quite disputed and there was an undercurrent to prevent dynastic succession early on. Ali was repeatedly denied the post of Caliph and had to wait for a long time and wasn't accepted. Later the Prophet's family was murdered in Karbala to remove all chances of dynastic claims. Yet Yazid succeeded his father and establihed the Ummayeds! In other words he who had force made the rules. Religious piety etc were not important. The guys who extreminated the Prophet's family to prevent dynastic rule themselves established dynasties. We see this in the recent Egypt turmoil.

- Role of Mothers of Fatihful, the numerous wives of Muhammad, who played harem intrigues during the succession and devasted the polity.
- The interconnected marital alliances of the four and later caliphs and the discord as a result of that.
- Ali was the first one to take political Islam out of Arabia to Kufa in modern day Iraq
- Whoever controls Syria and Egypt controls Middle East.
- The Sunni-Shia world dividing line is in Iraq. Iraq is the Shia founding region. Its related to the old Assyrian vs Sumerian divide or Byzantine vs Persian of later times.
- Political Islam always leaves the religious Islam region. Ali moved the political Islam to Iraq from Arabia. Muwaiya moved it to Damascus during the Ummayaids. Abbasids moved it new city Baghdad. Similarly later Shia Islam moved from Iraq to Persia.
- I already commented on Kharjites and their derivatives.
Big picture.

- Hussein is the Christ figure of Islam. His martyrdom was similar to the crucification and inspired the Shia.
- Odd but Islam in space of 100 years had both the Old (Sunni) and New(Shia) religion in them. So it was time compression and the rivalry is still to be worked out.

More later.
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Four year survey of 100 US mosques:

51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts.

In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshipper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad.

All of the important research informs us that the jihadists around the globe base their violence and terrorism on sharia and its doctrine of jihad. Most label their jihad defensive and some offensive, some use aggressive global violence to pursue their ends (i.e., al Qaeda), others a more nuanced nation-by-nation strategy with a mix of political maneuvering with violence and/or the threat of violence (i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood). But, they all tell us that their driving doctrine is sharia and its call for a global Caliphate order by Islamic law.
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