Cosmo_R wrote:It was Jesse Helms:
http://articles.sfgate.com/1995-04-07/n ... utto-india
Added later: Helms later said that BB only talked about India and no mention of Pakistan so he thought she was the Indian PM.
Mahendra wrote:I don't see why people are having orga5ms over JA's comments made to some Pawki( haven't seen the video yet), even if JA Pwned the other guy what bl00dy difference does it make? A pawki is immune to reality, all the Pawkis I have met believe that they won 4 wars with India, defeated the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and that Pawkistan would have been a superpower if not for Zardari and the Joos. If the idea is that JA made Pawkis see the reality then that idea falls flat on its face. JA's comments would be dismissed as the comments of a lower caste Muslim trying to please his Hindu masters in India.
Pawkistan is beyond redemption, the only solution is a break up of Pawkistan and Brinda Karat type of detoxification of text books campaign.
Your address isn't No 72 Pindliyon ka Gooda is it?Mahendra wrote:In real life sirji. I am the RAA station chief in Pindi
I agree with the points you have made and thanks for linking the speech. But "fail/success" is not the point. That speech has been archived forever in the archives of the UN and is a historic document on which future knowledge and judgements will be based.KLNMurthy wrote:
When an Indian diplomat carrying in his memes the finest intellectual tradition makes a speech that lasts 8 hours, it is probably because he wants a best possible shot at getting what his country wants from an unreceptive audience. If they were going to be receptive and on India's side, there would have been no need for a speech. That he failed doesn't necessarily mean the speech was a bad idea.
KLNMurthy wrote:
May be OT but can't help observing that there is a kind of == between America and Pakis with respect to aversion to open takedown of H&D, as noted above. The reason for this seems to lie in good old fashioned tribal chieftain symbolism: if you have pretensions to being the boss-man, then losing H&D openly is bad because aam aadmi, or aam client country, will stop obeying you. On the other hand, in the covert chess game of power politics, H&D has no place, as it is all give-and-take only and both parties understand that.
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Export restrictions apply. The sale of certain products is subject to an end-user certification and approval by the Government of Pakistan and DEPO (Defence Export Promotion Organization).
Associated PressThe family of a civilian contractor killed in a 2008 truck bombing in Pakistan has sued the Marriott International hotel chain. The suit was brought by the family of Albert DiFederico, a Virginia man who was in Pakistan as a civilian contractor for the State Department. The lawsuit claims the Marriott in Islamabad failed to adequately protect its guests and evacuate the hotel after an initial explosion that caused a fire in the truck's cab.
+1Gagan wrote:The reason why I liked Javed Akhtar's talk, is because he showed the Pakistanis what they were.
I saw indignation on his face when the Pakistani tried to talk about there being more religious freedom in Pakistan. The look of indignation on JA's face clearly indicated his sense of Patriotism for India.
Beyond that his rebuttal was precise, and he deeply understands the Pakistanis.
His views on the RSS, I won't comment on, other than to say that his viewpoint is shared by a lot of people, across all religions in India. His theory on doing an == perhaps stems from his beliefs, and I guess he is entitled to them. I know a lot of people who have similar beliefs and no one's questioned their patriotism or their general knowledge yet.
He openly undressed the Pakistanis until their bigotry was naked and there for all to see. Here was a guy dismissing their two nation theory, their false religious tolerance, and Jinnah's excuse in creating Pakistan.
The best part was the way he told the guy, "You have to have minorities left in your country to be generous to them". Is this fact about there being 10% hindus in Pakistan at partition, and now down to some 1% a widely known fact? I don't think so, but JA knew this! If that isn't perceptive, then saars what is?
I liked it, I would give the guy 4.5 stars out of 5. (Half mark deducted for bringing in the RSS too much)
Read it all:The enemy is the ISI—it runs Pakistan from the shadows like a puppet master. The ISI is a danger to civilized societies everywhere, because it nurtures and breeds hatred among Pakistan's Islamist masses, and then uses their thirst for jihad as a foreign policy sledge hammer against Pakistan's neighbors and allies, often for no purpose besides just creating chaos. Its financial, logistics, and intelligence support of myriad jihadist groups in Kashmir thrice brought India and Pakistan to war—once a near-nuclear confrontation. Its S-Wing planning and logistics support for Afghanistan's Taliban from Pakistani soil has so muddied the waters in Afghan-Pakistan relations that President Hamid Karzai turned to India to counterbalance Pakistan's negative influences on his country. War, against both its neighbors, may be big business for Pakistan's army and intelligence organs, but the damage to civil life is nearly catastrophic—and it must now stop.
It appears that the discussion on RSS is still continuing here.JE Menon wrote:Once again, this is the TIRP thread... Take the discussion elsewhere please.
Stupidity going on the thread again with RSS being equated with Hinduismabhishek_sharma wrote:It appears that the discussion on RSS is still continuing here.JE Menon wrote:Once again, this is the TIRP thread... Take the discussion elsewhere please.
Eh?Acharya wrote:Stupidity going on the thread again with RSS being equated with Hinduism
I think this is one of those Mirror, Mirror in the Wall... moments.RSS is only a small subset of Hinduism and there is no == between RSS and Hinduism.
Pakistan having VERY large middle class (30-50 million people) with VERY high per capita income.abhishek_sharma wrote:Pir Zubair Shah, Hassan Abbas & Shuja Nawaz on ISI/Pakistan (Video)
You need to see such loons as info an move on.Dipanker wrote:^Why do give exposure to a loon like ZH ? This guy is a total nutcase.
So, does it mean Sakhuni mama == Muralidhar in age old memories. Who is offensive and who is defensive? What is their individual moto's? How come Individual A == B, just by generalization? (Regarding JA's comments)VikramS wrote:Gagan:
Regarding JA. The =/= really hits home.
For the Paki, RSS/VHP etc. represent the shudra oppressing, evil Hindu, (put in your favorite stereo-type here...). In the Paki world-view, the mere existence of these organization is proof that TNT is alive and necessary; they are evil incarnated.
Now JA says that the ML the creator of Pakistan, the savior of Muslims, is nothing but the other side of the same coin. So the evil RSS is nothing but the Hindu version of the sacred, savior of Pakis! He added another spanner in the cognitive dissonance the Paki psyche wrestles with everyday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6gZ4Jh69GY&NR=1ramana wrote:You need to see such loons as info an move on.Dipanker wrote:^Why do give exposure to a loon like ZH ? This guy is a total nutcase.
Are India and Pakistan likely to stumble into nuclear war? This appalling possibility has long been kept alive by conflicts between the two historical enemies, but it may have been pushed closer to fulfillment by a catastrophic failure of U.S. foreign policy in South Asia. This isn’t just playground posturing. Soon after conducting nuclear tests in 1998, India’s Hindu nationalist government threatened Pakistan with an "all-out war." The rhetoric on the other side of the border was no less temperate. In 2001, the Hindu nationalist-led government responded to a terrorist attack by Pakistan-trained militants on India’s Parliament by mobilizing hundreds of thousands of troops on the border. Both nations eventually pulled back from the brink.
Singh knows that the long-unresolved issue of Kashmir lies at the heart of the tense relationship between India and Pakistan. More than 70,000 people, mostly Muslim, have died in India-administered Kashmir as troops have battled an insurgency backed by Pakistan. Any "Idiot’s Guide to South Asia" will tell you that peace in the region will remain a distant dream until India and Pakistan reach a solution acceptable to Kashmiri Muslims as well as nationalists in both countries.
This will initially require, at the very least, India to shift it troops out of the Kashmir valley, where during the past two summers hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers have confronted increasingly nonviolent and overwhelmingly young Muslim protesters. Unfortunately, India’s new image in Europe and America as a rising power has diminished the Indian appetite for compromise and negotiation.
He goes on to say that, "common dost of kutta, dragon and elephant is responsible to bring peace".Pakistan of course has been readying itself for a military incursion across the border. Last month, it tested a remarkably mobile missile system designed to unleash low-yield nuclear weapons on tank formations. The bin Laden killing and successive attacks by the Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda have left its military and intelligence establishments humiliated and seething with anger.
Faced with a rash Indian strike, it might well behave even more recklessly -- an increasingly plausible scenario that America’s rigidly compartmentalized policies in South Asia have done little to thwart
See, it was a simple case of a young pakistani man in love. Pakistan is a normal country where love and peace flourishes. There are no terrorists in Pakistan, only crazed lovers.
ISLAMABAD - The man who made sensational claims about the PNS Mehran base attack has turned out to be a disparate lover who fabricated the story just to revenge his failure in marrying a sister of an army man. Muhammad Junaid in an interview with Waqt News confessed that he had nothing to do with the Karachi naval base attack. “I am not a witness to it and totally unaware of the facts about it,” he said.
Junaid had claimed in a programme of a private TV that some army men were involved in the attack on Mehran naval base in Karachi.
Giving details, Junaid said that he was engaged with a girl, but her brother Arshad, who is a Hawaldar in the army, had been creating obstacles in the way of their marriage...
Make Love, not war.Abu Dhabi, June 01: A Pakistani woman convicted of adultery begged a criminal court in Abu Dhabi not to deport her to her home country, saying she could be killed by relatives, a newspaper reported on Wednesday.
The unnamed woman told court she is willing to spend any jail term in the UAE but appealed for the judge not to deport her.
“She told court that her family and relatives of her husband are waiting for her at home to avenge their honour after she committed adultery,” Alittihad said.
“She said that her husband had already killed her lover after finding him in her bed…the court decided to adjourn sentence to June.”
The paper said lawyer for the woman’s husband had told court that the families of her husband and his victim had agreed on a reconciliation at their home country.
At least 27(Nos. 7& 2 from 72 in reverse) Pakistanis, including four civilians, were killed in the fighting, as were 45 insurgents, local police officials said
