Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Jul 2011 02:07

ranjbe wrote:BRF members in the US who kept track of Fai and his activities, as well as the Indian intel community knew that ISI was funding Fai, and also a slew of other anti-Indian activists such as Gilani of the Hurriyat. The problem was that Indian authorities could not do much about it. The US had its own agenda when they did this. But India is going to reap a lot of benefits as an unintended consequence.

THis could be part of the Clinton visit to India. They need to downgrade Pak relations

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 21 Jul 2011 02:15

Walter Mead: Paki obsession with India means US-Pak relationship can never be normal.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... hout-them/

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Jul 2011 02:15

CRamS wrote:RajeshA;

What inspiration from TSP? Just because they appoint some bimbo for spewing out TSPA/ISI PR, India must follow in similar vein? Give me a break.

And BTW: If the newer generation, younger audience that Bakara et. al round up for their propaganda shows are any indication, I'd rather have our older mumbling netas who at least have some civilizational pride in them even if they can't express themselves as well as you and I would like. Of course there are always the useless WKK types, but thats democracy for you.

The old lack the fire, can't think of new ideas, too much inertia, too much deference to the whites and Islamics and too much attachment to the days of yore! We all know how MMS went to Britain and started telling them how grateful India is for all that we got from the British! That is when one says, "Aw gimme a break"!

It's time for new blood. If some idiot comes up, he will be brought down by others of new blood.

I don't care if she is a bimbo or not. She still has to show her stripes. It is her age that is an eye-catcher. And not everybody from the newer generation is a fan of Barkha! No?!

partha · Post by **partha** » 21 Jul 2011 02:16

ranjbe wrote:BRF members in the US who kept track of Fai and his activities, as well as the Indian intel community knew that ISI was funding Fai, and also a slew of other anti-Indian activists such as Gilani of the Hurriyat. The problem was that Indian authorities could not do much about it. The US had its own agenda when they did this. But India is going to reap a lot of benefits as an unintended consequence.

Well, at the least they could have selected a different person as Kashmir interlocutor instead of Dilip Padgaonkar who also attended Fai's conferences. Why didn't that happen?

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 21 Jul 2011 03:44

On Najam Sethi's latest Apas Kit Baat episode, some puki mango apdul called into say that whenever Hillary Clinton visits India, the anti-pak rhetoric increases, to that Sethi responded with a tight slap that "we are not in the same league as India, we have transactional (whoring type ) relationship with Khan and India has strategic relationship with Khan where India is spending its own hard earned cash to buy weapons & other materials from NSG and is not dependent on anyone like we are".
I hope that more and more anal-ysts on Puki anal-itical shows start saying the stark truth (not just on English language but Urdu and other local language shows) so that the == facade in mango apdul eyes is shattered. Please watch the 3rd part 6min 10sec onwards -

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Jul 2011 03:50

partha wrote:
ranjbe wrote:Well, at the least they could have selected a different person as Kashmir interlocutor instead of Dilip Padgaonkar who also attended Fai's conferences. Why didn't that happen?

WKKzhimer disease ,screwd up sense of CBM, Black channel wannelism. FAI being the saala was/is open secret.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jul 2011 04:08

For Paklurks:

India's defence expenditure is 2.something of GDP.
http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in/20 ... penditure/

So don't go around sponsoring this kind of tripe:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 17082.html

Peace-loving India, the world's largest arms importer

Defence spending has leapt since the Mumbai attacks of 2008 as Delhi steps up security and deterrence

and

Its current defence budget of $36bn – an increase of around 11 per cent on the previous year – is more than double what it spends on education and health combined.

The above is rubbish. First, note that the above tripe notes that:

India’s defence budget only equals two per cent of GDP

and secondly, that India spends 4.1% of GDP on education (UNDP figures)
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/ghosh290611.html (scroll to chart 1).

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jul 2011 04:09

RajeshA wrote: I don't care if she is a bimbo or not. She still has to show her stripes. It is her age that is an eye-catcher. And not everybody from the newer generation is a fan of Barkha! No?!

The epitmome of "globalized" newer generation are the likes of Shashi Tharoor. Can't get a better WOG (westernized oriental gentleman) than him who would be a perfect intelocuter with DC, London elites. And do you really think he is a hard-nosed nationalist who can articulate India's core concerns forcefully?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Jul 2011 04:16

^^^You can make up your mind for yourself:
http://thetrajectory.com/blogs/index.ph ... i-tharoor/

At TEDIndia, Shashi Tharoor, India’s Minister of State for External Affairs shared his views on what makes India a leading soft power across the globe. In Tharoor’s words, “In today’s world, it’s not the size of the army that wins. It’s the country that tells a better story”. And India through it pluralism and social development at home and over-arching reach of its cultural components abroad has been telling better stories, stories wrapped in awe and admiration that continue to surprise many across the globe.
For Tharoor, India is not a nationalism of ethnicity or religion, but nationalism of an idea. India is not a land where all people agree and abide by a consensus; but all agree on the ground rules of how to disagree and live without consensus.

Tharoor come across as one of the rare, articulate and knowledgeable politicians in India. No wonder he contends that Governments usually don’t tell the best stories. It takes a story writer and intellectual like Tharoor to voice an evident but understated fact about India’s potential.

Shashi Tharoor’s TEDIndia speech – a must listen for all Indians!

http://www.ted.com/talks/shashi_tharoor ... site-basic

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 21 Jul 2011 04:50

A_Gupta:

Lotsa mumbo jumbo in that speech. India can tell as a great a story as it wants through Tharoor, but the fact is that it is under an overaching threat from Paki pigLeTs and nukes (and their 3.5) next door. No story telling can win over such a nemesis. Only raw military power. And whats this globalization BS anyway? Ask Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin if they believe in it?

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 21 Jul 2011 06:33

rajithn wrote:
[quote="Fidel Guevara
Nope, they are not going to fight for us, but if their actions help India as a collateral benefit, more power to them!

But thats exactly my point: The collateral benefit is going to be minimal, if not negligible. What do you think is the coverage of this story in the U.S or western media?

And do you think the U.S is not going to be able to manage its media to look the other way, when things turn back to normal. As one of the forum posters put it succintly: This is not "turning a corner"..its just a "roundabout".

Do you think the psuedo-liberals like the Roys and Kuldip Nayar are going to change their spots anytime?

And what do you think the Geelanis are calling Fai's indictment: that India is behind these machinations!

We will not be deriving any collateral benefit out of this one.

The scale of the FBI investigation indicates that this is not going to die down soon - they will go to trial and name a lot of names, including more Roy-types. The possible indictment of some Roy-types and its fallout is the benefit, not the media coverage of the trial itself, nor a change of opinion of the Roys, nor any change in the Geelanis.

Imagine you are Suzanne, your primary audience is the west, and you are able to globe-trot around the world giving anti-India interviews, partly because of this type of ISI funding. Post Fai, if you are Suzanne, you will be more careful in accepting sponsorships, as you don't want to end up on some black list.

The benefit is that the Fai case will put a damper on WKK sponsorships, and thereby reduce the volume of anti-India dirt out there. This is the collateral benefit we can look forward to.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 21 Jul 2011 06:46

Watch this video (only in the US unfortunately)
It's from May 5, 2009.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-m ... ed-zakaria

Must say...Zakaria was right on the money

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jul 2011 07:52

SSridhar wrote:So, what is going to be the reaction of the Indian members of the Fai Gang ? Will they say that they never knew that he was receiving funds from the ISI to host these seminars, that they never betrayed India, that they have freedom of expression . . .It is going to be interesting. One would like these turncoats to be thoroughly discredited.

You will need super comprehension abilities to understand their logic.

But the important question is: Why did our govt appoint some of these compromised people as interlocutors? (Also remember Sachar Committee report)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2011 08:01

Shaashtanga wrote:I hope that more and more anal-ysts on Puki anal-itical shows start saying the stark truth (not just on English language but Urdu and other local language shows) so that the == facade in mango apdul eyes is shattered.

Shaashtanga, pranams. I completely agree with you. We should do that for the simple reason that it is one more nail we enjoy being driven into Pakistani coffin. However, a Pakistan that is inching towards a semi-comatose state will not die because of these slaps on the face. It has to be simply destroyed using every means available, including what you have said. That's why we must welcome every turn of the US screw even though we may not be sure right now if the US has at last decided to see the white light or not. There is absolutely no way Pakistan, if it survives the upcoming deluge somehow, would have a normal relationship with us as befits any two neighboring countries. If there is more confrontation with the US, Pakistan would try to up the terrorism ante against us. But, we will have to brace for such pain but work towards dismantling Pakistan. I hope that our MEA is carefully working towards that goal.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Jul 2011 08:11

is the pakis letting the PRC into POK a hedge against a indian invasion or simply their inability to fund the infra projects there, or both?

I wonder if India in retaliation for a terrorist strike , bombards and wipes out such a "tunnel" project site, resulting in KIA of say 300 chini workers..what will happen?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Jul 2011 08:18

Singha wrote:is the pakis letting the PRC into POK a hedge against a indian invasion or simply their inability to fund the infra projects there, or both?

Singha, yes, that is one reason. There are others as well. The following is what I posted three months back.

• The presence of China in PoK is another one of those 'tactically brilliant but strategically stupid' moves. The Pakistanis may be doing this for several reasons. One, they may want to put pressure on the Americans by bringing in the Chinese so that the increasing strains between the US and Pakistan may be somewhat contained. Two, the Pakistani Army may conclude that with the significant drawdown of allied forces in Afghanistan, more Pakistani troops may need to be deployed in Af-Pak border in time to come, thus weakening the eastern border with India. They may hope the PLA's presence could act as a deterrent to India. Three, after the withdrawal of the US forces, US will not need Pakistan. From past experience, Pakistan knows that the US would not care for Pakistan after that and in the present circumstances (unlike in the Cold war era of 1989 or in 1965 or in 1972) of its close relationship with India, Pakistan would feel completely naked once that happens, in spite of nukes and missiles. The PLA boots on the ground at the border is therefore a hedge against any possible combined operation by the Yahud, Hunud and the Nasara.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jul 2011 08:32

Now we can see the true colors of some Americans:

PAKISTAN: DON’T GET DISTRACTED BY THE FAI CASE: Teresita C. Schaffer

Veteran Kashmir-watchers like ourselves were amazed to find that today’s New York Times and Washington Post gave front-page coverage to the arrest of Ghulam Nabi Fai, the longtime director of the Washington-based Kashmir American Council. Fai and another Pakistani-American were charged with violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) by conspiring to act as an agent of a foreign principal – the Pakistan government – without registering with the attorney general. They were also charged with concealing the fact that Pakistan was funding and directing the KAC’s lobbying and public relations campaigns in the United States. The funding allegedly included campaign contributions to members of Congress known for their pro-Pakistan positions on the long-standing Kashmir dispute.

For those familiar with Fai’s operations, the case has an “I am shocked, shocked…” aspect that calls to mind Captain Reynaud’s memorable outcry deploring gambling in the film “Casablanca.” Since the KAC was established in 1990, the year when anti-Indian political upheaval in the disputed state returned the Kashmir issue to world attention, U.S. Kashmir-specialists have assumed that the council’s activities were sponsored and paid for by Islamabad. The allegation that these activities have included small and unpublicized campaign contributions to sympathetic American politicians comes as no particular surprise.

In seeking to promote the case for Kashmiri self-determination, Pakistan’s long-standing position – and anathema to the Indians – the KAC has focused its lobbying attention on administration officials, members of Congress, the media, and influential private Americans. Anyone seen to have a direct or indirect role in fashioning Kashmir policy is almost certain to have been approached by the energetic Dr. Fai, often with a visiting Kashmiri in tow, and given a pro-Pakistan interpretation of developments in the state.

The high point of the council’s annual calendar of events has for years been a much-publicized meeting and roundtable in a Congressional office building on Capitol Hill that draws a sizeable number of congressmen, Kashmiri political leaders (all of an anti-Indian flavor), American and South Asian academic specialists, Kashmiri-Americans, ethnic journalists, and Pakistan Embassy officials. Views that do not accord with the Pakistan position are not often voiced. Over the years, these sessions have become set-pieces, occasions to vent against India’s human rights violations in the part of the state it administers and to renew demand for the U.S. administration to take a more active role in bringing about a Kashmir settlement on terms favorable to Pakistan. In these sessions members of Congress play bit-parts. Some of them, such as Representative Dan Burton (R, Indiana), are familiar with the Kashmir issue, or at least Pakistan’s interpretation of it, and apparently feel strongly about it. But many others appear to have come to the sessions with scant awareness of the nature of the dispute. They customarily appear briefly, read prepared scripts, and hastily depart.

If the InterServices Intelligence Directorate (ISI) or some other organ of the Pakistan government has been footing the KAC’s bills, as seems so obvious, it is hard to conclude that they have been getting their money’s worth. For all its efforts, the council’s lobbying has had minimal success in persuading the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama administrations to change their basically hands-off diplomacy on the Kashmir dispute.

It is regrettable that the charges against Fai have been raised at a point when U.S.-Pakistan relations face a host of problems far more consequential than alleged wrongdoings by Pakistan’s lobbyists in Washington. The two sides should be focusing on trying to resolve or manage these major issues, not getting distracted by the Fai sideshow. It would be even more regrettable if the allegations have been trotted out as a way for the United States to hit back at Pakistan in general and the ISI in particular. The situation is too serious for this kind of game playing.

Howard B. Schaffer

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Jul 2011 08:34

Praveen Swami uvacha:
ISI paid millions to influence U.S. on Kashmir

FBI agent Sarah Linden's affidavit filed in support of the Justice Department's criminal complaint — the rough equivalent of a First Information Report — alleges that Dr. Fai reported to several ISI officials, identified as Brigadier Javed Aziz Khan, Brigadier Sohail Mehmood, Lieutenant-Colonel Tauqeer Mehmood Butt and the former head of the organisation's security directorate, Major-General Mumtaz Bajwa.

Intercepted phone calls and e-mail, the affidavit states, make clear the ISI directly controlled the activities not just of the KAC but also its sister institutions in Brussels and London.

4 serving ISI senior afsars unmasked by Amrika!!!

Also, does the "security directorate" of Maj Gen Bajwa imply the "S- Branch"( black ops division) on which so much talk was focused on BR few weeks back?

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Jul 2011 08:41

Taller than mountain fliend exporting its only exportable material to best fliend also:
Analysts see Pakistan terror links to Xinjiang attack

Officials on Wednesday said this week's attack on a police station in China's far western Xinjiang region had been “masterminded” by terrorist groups, while security analysts here suggested separatist groups active in Pakistan had a role in the violence.

Officials raised the death toll from Monday's attack in Hotan, a city in southern Xinjiang, to 18. While police shot down 14 “rioters”, four others, including two women, were killed in the attack.

Hou Hanmin, the head of the regional information office in Hotan, told The Hindu in a telephone interview that the attackers were “organised”, and armed with knives and grenades.

The rioters had entered a nearby government office before attacking and setting fire to a police station. They had taken six hostages before the police shot 14 of the 18 reported attackers, according to official accounts.

“They held up a banner calling for ‘holy war',” said Ms. Hou. “The attack was brutal and ruthless. This was clearly an attack masterminded by terrorist groups.”

Xinjiang has seen intermittent unrest with clashes between the local Uighur ethnic group and the increasing number of Han Chinese, the country's majority ethnic group, who have migrated to the region in recent years. The government has, in the past, blamed Uighur separatist groups for the clashes, though many Uighurs say tensions had been driven by rising inequalities between the groups.

On Wednesday, government-run newspapers quoted terrorism experts as saying the attacks were carried out by separatists, likely linked to terror groups active in Pakistan. Xinjiang shares a border with Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Jul 2011 09:10

All unsealed documents of the Rana case (ordered to be unsealed by the judge day before yesterday) are here. 350 pages. I havent skimmed through them yet. Rakshaks please find the interesting parts.

http://news.intelwire.com/2011/07/exclu ... -rana.html

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Jul 2011 09:35

Fidel Guevara wrote:The benefit is that the Fai case will put a damper on WKK sponsorships, and thereby reduce the volume of anti-India dirt out there. This is the collateral benefit we can look forward to.

Don't be so sure. The Fai case is revealing the deep INC-ISI-LeT nexus in India. I've suspected that elements within INC had advance knowledge of the ISI-LeT attack on Mumbai on Nov 26 2008, simply because of the obfuscatory press blaming CIA/RSS/Mossad that was initiated by INC apparatchiks while the attacks were in progress. IMO the nexus was confirmed when the two INC chief ministers then went public with their line blaming RSS for the attack in the weeks following the attack.

This nexus creates the anti-India dirt, and is protected within India which provides them all the sponsorship they need.

vanand · Post by **vanand** » 21 Jul 2011 10:46

porkies playing democracy card in Kashmir, but this also show their true face - they had conducted POK Legislative Assembly polls in Karachi and all parties in pakistan participated in this poll. As India saying, now they can also say cashmere is us and it have democratic setup.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/20/polling- ... seats.html

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 21 Jul 2011 11:13

Hiten wrote:the cause & effect video have been joined
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj1SZk60b5I

youtube has removed this video... can you post it in rapidshare and provide link in the forum please.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Jul 2011 11:38

Cross posting from the Internal Security watch thread

Aditya_V wrote:Somthing suspected by Many in BR, many so Called leftists who always come together on LET- Hurriyat- Maoists- ULFA issues are all on the payroll of foreign agencies, no mention in most media channels for this FBI story, I belive this is just a tip of iceberg will 99.9% of relity regarding such payments still below the waterline.

I guess they are just a type of s** workers who pr******** thier own country which they probably have no attachement too.

L'affaire Fai: US lawmakers, Indian liberals come under scrutiny.

I think TImes of India is being careful naming only the 2nd rung JNU chaps and Media personal. I think some people like A.Roy have attended such meets in the past.

Another group which has come under the lens is Indian liberals and so-called bleeding hearts who accepted Fai's and KAC's hospitality to attend conferences and seminars in US on the Kashmir issue where US authorities say Fai and his ISI handlers plied the Pakistani agenda who have identified journalist-activists Kuldip Nayar, Rajinder Sachar, and Gautam Navlakha among those who attended KAC events organized by Fai which turns out were funded by ISI.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 21 Jul 2011 12:08

A_Gupta wrote:X-Post: documents unsealed from Rana trial
http://news.intelwire.com/2011/07/exclu ... -rana.html

Guys, if needed I can post them in Scribd for pesterity

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jul 2011 12:19

vera_k wrote:The Fai case is revealing the deep INC-ISI-LeT nexus in India. I've suspected that elements within INC had advance knowledge of the ISI-LeT attack on Mumbai on Nov 26 2008, simply because of the obfuscatory press blaming CIA/RSS/Mossad that was initiated by INC apparatchiks while the attacks were in progress. IMO the nexus was confirmed when the two INC chief ministers then went public with their line blaming RSS for the attack in the weeks following the attack.

This nexus creates the anti-India dirt, and is protected within India which provides them all the sponsorship they need.

Another instance of a brilliant same side goal.

This will be picked up and then the line will be even BRF suspects that Indians did 26/11 themselves to discredit the poor innocent Pakis.

Why don't you take your looney conspiracy theories to the GD forum? Nukkad would be good place for such revelations.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Jul 2011 12:23

PDF epaper:http://epaper.dnaindia.com/epaperpdf/21 ... -pg3-0.pdf

NIA nails fake Indian currency to Pak mint

In a major breakthrough which could establish Pakistan’s direct involvement in the counterfeit currency racket in India, the National Investigative Agency (NIA) has found that Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) circulated in India are manufactured in a state-owned printing facility in Pakistan.

Apparently certain features of Paki original currency (like security thread inserted during paper manufacture) matches exactly with the features of Fake Indian currency. Investigators have used this as evidence to nail them.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Jul 2011 12:26

does vera_k's post imply that "BRF suspects that Indians did 26/11 themselves to discredit the poor innocent Pakis." or that elements within INC have gone over to the paki side ?

given how the pakis were sought to be protected by shamelessly blaming Indian organisations for 26/11 by people like AR antulay, is that really a looney conspiracy theory ?

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 21 Jul 2011 12:32

Anujan wrote:NIA nails fake Indian currency to Pak mint
In a major breakthrough which could establish Pakistan’s direct involvement in the counterfeit currency racket in India, the National Investigative Agency (NIA) has found that Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) circulated in India are manufactured in a state-owned printing facility in Pakistan. Apparently certain features of Paki original currency (like security thread inserted during paper manufacture) matches exactly with the features of Fake Indian currency. Investigators have used this as evidence to nail them.

What will Desh use this information for, prepare another dossier and increase trade with the Pigs. Kill their couriers and Agents... this flow would get stymed.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jul 2011 12:36

When you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas

China finally ready to admit Pak's role in Xinjiang violence

BEIJING: A Chinese government think-tank has finally broken the deafening silence about the role of Pakistan in the continuous spate of violence in China's western province of Xinjiang. There are indications Beijing will now exert pressure on Islamabad to come clean about the support being given to anti-China forces from inside Pakistan.

The think-tank, the Institute of Central Asia at the Xinjiang Academy of Social Sciences, has pointed the finger at Pakistan as the source of violence. This is is something both Chinese officials and anti-China bodies like World Uighur Congress always avoid doing.

The violence in Hotan, which is next door from the Pakistan border, left nearly 20 dead on Monday, it is now being revealed. The incident showed that Communist Party of China's close relationship with the Jamat-e-Islami and its protective attitude towards Pakistan have both failed to insulate Xinjiang from separatist violence.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Jul 2011 12:37

Anujan wrote:PDF epaper:http://epaper.dnaindia.com/epaperpdf/21 ... -pg3-0.pdf

NIA nails fake Indian currency to Pak mint

In a major breakthrough which could establish Pakistan’s direct involvement in the counterfeit currency racket in India, the National Investigative Agency (NIA) has found that Fake Indian Currency Notes (FICN) circulated in India are manufactured in a state-owned printing facility in Pakistan.
Apparently certain features of Paki original currency (like security thread inserted during paper manufacture) matches exactly with the features of Fake Indian currency. Investigators have used this as evidence to nail them.

Would it be possible to make a scanner which checks for exactly that feature to pronounce a currency note as fake.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Jul 2011 12:39

chetak wrote:When you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas

China finally ready to admit Pak's role in Xinjiang violence

Jeeeeehaaaard!

Jihad never felt so good! Ow-yeahhh!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 21 Jul 2011 12:41

I don't think INC knew about 26/11 beforehand.

But why don't they suspend Antulay and Digvijay Singh from their party? I guess their comments should be seen as a "self goal" too. The principle of avoidance of self goals cannot be suspended selectively.

Moreover, Shivraj Patil is a governor now. Vilas Rao Deshmukh is a cabinet minister. So much for their accountability and compunction.

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jul 2011 12:44

Rahul M wrote:does vera_k's post imply that "BRF suspects that Indians did 26/11 themselves to discredit the poor innocent Pakis." or that elements within INC have gone over to the paki side ?

given how the pakis were sought to be protected by shamelessly blaming Indian organisations for 26/11 by people like AR antulay, is that really a looney conspiracy theory ?

It's not a a question of what it implies but what it can be twisted into.

Look I have no objection to this line of CT being discussed. However, I don't think this is the right thread for it. As an Admin if you think its OK to discuss here, then I'll be happy to withdraw my comment/objection. Please let me know then I'll amend my first comment.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 21 Jul 2011 12:47

Shaashtanga wrote:On Najam Sethi's latest Apas Kit Baat episode, some puki mango apdul called into say that whenever Hillary Clinton visits India, the anti-pak rhetoric increases, to that Sethi responded with a tight slap that "we are not in the same league as India, we have transactional (whoring type ) relationship with Khan and India has strategic relationship with Khan where India is spending its own hard earned cash to buy weapons & other materials from NSG and is not dependent on anyone like we are"

Najam Sethi tore Paki H&D into bits... wonder how he get away with talking all this in Pakeeland!!! I thought he will tone down his rhetoric after SSS, nope. wonder what he telling about FAIgate!!!

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 21 Jul 2011 12:49

chetak wrote:When you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas
BEIJING: A Chinese government think-tank has finally broken the deafening silence about the role of Pakistan in the continuous spate of violence in China's western province of Xinjiang. There are indications Beijing will now exert pressure on Islamabad to come clean about the support being given to anti-China forces from inside Pakistan..

This is all part of the screw-tightening process... Dragon wants to extract its pound of flesh which there is some available.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Jul 2011 13:36

amit wrote:
Rahul M wrote:does vera_k's post imply that "BRF suspects that Indians did 26/11 themselves to discredit the poor innocent Pakis." or that elements within INC have gone over to the paki side ?

given how the pakis were sought to be protected by shamelessly blaming Indian organisations for 26/11 by people like AR antulay, is that really a looney conspiracy theory ?
It's not a a question of what it implies but what it can be twisted into.

Look I have no objection to this line of CT being discussed. However, I don't think this is the right thread for it. As an Admin if you think its OK to discuss here, then I'll be happy to withdraw my comment/objection. Please let me know then I'll amend my first comment.

as long as it is in context of the fai affair and does not degenerate into political mudslinging it is a valid topic.

as for the fear that this can be twisted, please tell me what can't be twisted ? pakis can invent issues to twist. I don't think there was a bigger self goal than charging col purohit with supplying RDX when the govt's own reports said no RDX was used in the samjhauta express bombings. this at a time when all had sundry had accepted LeT's hand in it.

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jul 2011 13:43

Telegraph, that is the Kolkata one, has a detailed story on the Fai connection of Indians.

Several Indian journalists and activists had also accepted the invitation from the group to take part in seminars in the US, which involved business class travel and “some luxury”. However, there is no evidence yet that they were aware of the KAC’s alleged connection with the ISI. Some journalists had also turned down the invitations.

Bleeding hearts and those who are always fighting for the "downtrodden" need some luxury from time to time, na?

Sources said journalists such as Kuldip Nayar, Dileep Padgaonkar, Harinder Baweja, Ved Bhasin, Rajmohan Gandhi and activists Rita Manchanda and Gautam Navlakha and politician Subramanian Swamy had attended some of these seminars.

Bharat Bhushan, who writes on India-Pakistan relations and is a former journalist with The Telegraph, declined to deny or confirm if he participated in any event organised by the group.

Lookie, lookie, some interesting names tumbling out. I guess everybody likes "some luxury" and a free business class ticket to the US of A.

Siddharth Varadarajan, national bureau chief of The Hindu, said Fai invited him to attend a seminar in 2009. “But I declined,” Varadarajan said, adding that he made enquiries and decided “it was best not to attend”.

“But my decision to not attend isn’t a judgement or commentary on people who did attend as they could have had different assessments (of the KAC and Fai’s activities),” he said.

What aroused Varadarajan’s suspicion was Fai having listed India’s envoy to Washington Meera Shankar as one of the speakers at the event. “I checked with my sources on how come she was attending? They told me she wasn’t,” Varadarajan said.

Like him or not SV did the sensible thing of doing a background check himself. I wonder why the other worthies didn't do so before accepting. Is the lure of a free ticket and "some luxury" so great, especially considering the agenda of the the forum and the sensitive subject of Kashmir?

Veteran journalist Dileep Padgaonkar attended a KAC seminar “several years back”. Padgaonkar said he did not remember the year now but he “quite liked the meeting and did not suspect any hanky-panky”. The journalist said he felt there was a need to put forward the Indian point of view even if the outfit was pro-Pakistan.

“This was a time before Google searches or deep background searches. There were leading journalists from Pakistan attending the seminar. We had no idea about Fai’s connections. I wouldn’t have gone had I known or had there been even the faintest of suspicions (about the source of the KAC funds),” Padgaonkar added.

What a lame excuse from a former editor of TOI. "Several years back" there were no Google searches? Seesh!

But not everybody is apologetic about engaging with the KAC or Fai. Activist Gautam Navlakha felt that Fai could not be vilified as an ISI agent on mere allegations. Navlakha, who attended at least two KAC-organised meetings in the last few years, cautioned about jumping to conclusions even before Fai was convicted. “I know Fai. I have enjoyed his hospitality and my conversations with him. Whatever the nature of funding may be, in my eyes his conviction as a Kashmiri remains impeccable,” Navlakha said.

OK should this joker be booked as a ISI junkie? So even if the ISI funds him he's doing the right thing. Is that what this fella is trying to say? In other words hand Kashmir to the Pakis?

New Delhi and its mission in Washington kept away from the KAC, knowing it was an India-bashing outfit. But there weren’t any express instructions to Indians from outside the government not to attend KAC-organised events.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Jul 2011 13:50

Shaashtanga wrote:On Najam Sethi's latest Apas Kit Baat episode, some puki mango apdul called into say that whenever Hillary Clinton visits India, the anti-pak rhetoric increases, to that Sethi responded with a tight slap that "we are not in the same league as India, we have transactional (whoring type ) relationship with Khan and India has strategic relationship with Khan where India is spending its own hard earned cash to buy weapons & other materials from NSG and is not dependent on anyone like we are".

Hajam Sethi does a good hajamat of the unwashed Abduls in Pakistan.

If Jinnah had access to such wisdom, Pakistan would not have been here in such a situation.

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 Jul 2011 13:50

Rahul M wrote:as long as it is in context of the fai affair and does not degenerate into political mudslinging it is a valid topic.

I hold no brief for the Congress jokers mentioned in this context. But I hope you realise that the statement: "I've suspected that elements within INC had advance knowledge of the ISI-LeT attack on Mumbai on Nov 26 2008, simply because of the obfuscatory press blaming CIA/RSS/Mossad that was initiated by INC apparatchiks while the attacks were in progress", is of the same class as charging Col Purohit?

After all some Cong joker also has the right to say I've suspected Col Purohit?

Two wrongs make a right? I think all this verbal gymnastics only detracts from the seriousness of the message that we try to convey on this thread. My point is there are other threads to discuss this.

Anyway no more from me on this.