Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2011 12:45

Rudra, that's a cover my ass statement from Hina... Later she can say that by "you" she meant Geo TV, only "they" is the US :D :D

More seriously... a datapoint from Mullen's testimony, when he was speaking he referred to the ISI as "internal services intelligence" (watch the clip)... he got stuck for a moment and then finished it off as "internal" not "inter"... After so many visits and so much of chai-biskoot, can't the guy remember what the main terrorist threat to his country is actually called? Disappointing. He should have remember that in his sleep...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 13:41

Anujan wrote:India should urge restraint, ask US to not jump to conclusions and offer to play the part of a intermediary where we can talk to Pakistan and arrange some sort of a joint Pakistan-US investigation to establish who the culprits were. US should also hand over any evidence it has to Pakistan so that Pakistani courts can prosecute the culprits. Ultimately US should realize that it is making the Af-Pak border a nuclear flashpoint.


Lovely!
Is there any way it can be issued as a statement by our phoren mesthris? SM Krishna can read any dumb ass statements given to him.
India should send a Military advisor to US and ask them to "back down", US policy and attitude towards Pakistan is endangering Indian lives in Pakistan doing reconstruction work and threatening world peace.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 14:06

US bomb warning to Pakistan ignored
He warned that Pakistan was heading towards international isolation. "If it keeps going like this, it could end up like Syria – before the Arab spring."


I think it would end up somewhere between present day Somalia and Syria.
I have been in direct contact with some balochis for the past month.
In the saraiki belt and Balochistan and Sindh, main problems are created by Feudal lords. In Dera Ghazi Khan, Farooq Leghari (Ex president of Pakistan) and Zulfiqar Khosa (Ex Governor of Punjab) are the corrupt ones and appropriate all the funds for personal benefit. There is a huge underground moment against TSPA and right now they are not organized but they however outnumber TSPArmy manytimes over. There is huge anger against Army and it is growing everyday as more people disappear. It is only a matter of time before a complete breakdown happens.
Some Americans are in contact with some Balochis since the Osama raid and subsequent developments. Although it cannot be verified it can be assumed that Arms are being supplied to Balochis.It may not be a good idea but what is! All in all, This is going to be a bloody Christmas and new year for Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 23 Sep 2011 14:09

Altair wrote:SM Krishna can read any dumb ass statements given to him.
Altair


Beware! He will pick out a Portuguese or Icelandic statement to read.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2011 14:20

^^ :rotfl:
hopefully not a Pakisatanic one...

Altair,

Interesting company you keep. I have to confirm that my own Baloch contact has a similar view... Unfortunately, haven't been in touch with the chap for nearly a year...

>>Some Americans are in contact with some Balochis since the Osama raid and subsequent developments.

They have been in contact for a long time now. So has Auntie's people... Several top Baloch leaders are esconced in Londonistan. No surprise there of course.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Sep 2011 15:09

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/ ... -pakistan/
Unlike during the Cold War when Pakistan was able to exploit U.S.-Soviet rivalry to maintain its position against India, Pakistan is looking very isolated right now. In the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan in the 1980s it had American and Saudi support. This time around it is hard to find any country which will help it.

In Afghanistan ordinary people are opening blaming the ISI for the country’s troubles. Russia is worried about instability in Afghanistan spilling over into the former Soviet Central Asia and about drug smuggling pushing up the numbers of heroin addicts whose growth is already gnawing away at its economy. Moscow has been more resistant even than the United States to the idea of taking former Taliban off a UN sanctions list to create a better climate for talks. Relations with neighbouring Iran tend to go up and down, but are not helped by a spate of killings of Shi’ites by Sunni extremists in Pakistan. China is interested only in stability and securing its access through Pakistan to oil supplies and raw materials. For all Pakistan’s “deeper than the oceans” faith in Chinese friendship, it is unlikely to ride to its rescue in a confrontation with the United States over Afghanistan.

Ironically, India is being projected as a way out of the quagmire with the prospect of regional trade offered as a solution to Pakistan’s deepening economic gloom. But India – indeed far more than the United States – has tended to be more suspicious of the Pakistan military and the government has justified to its domestic critics the current peace process as a way of supporting civilian democracy in Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby sum » 23 Sep 2011 15:20

>>Some Americans are in contact with some Balochis since the Osama raid and subsequent developments.

They have been in contact for a long time now. So has Auntie's people... Several top Baloch leaders are esconced in Londonistan. No surprise there of course.

Wonder if Desh also has been having chai biskoot with balochis or this has been outsourced to Unkil to handle?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby vishvak » 23 Sep 2011 15:25

A gift from the land of pure
Polio Strain Spreads To China From Pakistan
Poor Chinese kids have to face this because of friendship.
The WHO said that a strain of WPV1 polio in China’s western Xinjiang province has been genetically linked with the type currently circulating in Pakistan...
Chinese authorities have started a countrywide investigation into the matter, with a mass vaccination campaign being launched in Xinjiang.

Friends Must adjust a little bit here & there, a little uneasy thats it.

More:
Polio strain from Pakistan a global threat: WHO
The UN health agency said it rates as 'high' the risk of further international spread of WPV from Pakistan, particularly given the expected largescale population movements associated with Umrah and the upcoming Haj pilgrimage in the coming months.

Pakistan is affected by nationwide transmission of WPV1, and is the location of the only wild poliovirus type 3 (WPV3) case in Asia in 2011, the WHO said.
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"As per recommendations outlined in WHO's international travel and health, travellers to and from Pakistan should be fully protected by vaccination," it said. Travellers to Pakistan who have in the past received three or more doses of OPV should be offered another dose of polio vaccine before departure, the WHO said.

Some polio-free countries may also require travellers from Pakistan to be immunized against polio in order to obtain an entry visa, the WHO said.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2011 15:48

>>Wonder if Desh also has been having chai biskoot with balochis or this has been outsourced to Unkil to handle?

Only moral and diplomatic support, of the kind that the Pakisatans used to give the Kashmiris in the 1990s. :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 15:57

shiv wrote:
Altair wrote:SM Krishna can read any dumb ass statements given to him.
Altair


Beware! He will pick out a Portuguese or Icelandic statement to read.

:rotfl: :rotfl:
All he needs is a phone call from Madam that a statement typed on a letterhead from MEA ,size 12 font, double spaced, times new roman style,with the rubber stamp of MEA would be given to him in a sealed envelop by her personal secretary wearing a blue striped tie and he must read it out. zimple job onlee..
SMK will follow to the letter, literally! No kidding here folks..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 16:02

JE Menon wrote:>>Wonder if Desh also has been having chai biskoot with balochis or this has been outsourced to Unkil to handle?

Only moral and diplomatic support, of the kind that the Pakisatans used to give the Kashmiris in the 1990s. :)


Also, the business networks of their targets. Eg: Gen. A has a sugar factory at location Alpha with godowns at location beta,his partners are Major B and Col.C who also have textile mills @ location gamma and delta respectively.. they have their stocks arriving on jumma day.. :mrgreen:

I would recommend this news site to be followed. It may not all be true but most news are genuine.
http://www.balochwarna.com/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby CRamS » 23 Sep 2011 16:34

Anyone watched the presidential hopefuls, white Christian nationalist republican dim-wits' hot air debate last night? (I must tell you though, with no substance, US media like Faux nooge can put on grand high-tech show, which they did last noght with Google :-). No wonder Indiands follow US debatesd more passionately than they do their own political debtes.).

Anyway, the topic of TSP came up, specifically, what should US do if Talibunnies sieze nukes. And the answers wre so pathetically lame and uneducated, but it still told you something.

First, that Perry cowboy from TX spewed some incoherent mumbo jumbo about how if US relationship with India were strengthened and offered up-graded F-16, this "paaaakistaaani siutaion won't arise". Can anybody decipher what he meant?

And then that Christian extremist clown Ric Santoum went on about how Obama dumped a faithful ally in Mush leading to this situation :-). And all that Newt Gingrich could say was that TSP poses an important problem.

But here is my take. Given that these republican clowns represent rougly 50+% of the US popuation, probably 75% of whites, and have their pulse, it seems to me from their unprepared, woefully ill informed answers, is that TSP is still not on the radar screen as much as it should be among this constituency. This in turn means that Pentagon/CIA boses through their media mouthpieces have not diseminated TSP perfidy to the joe six pack to elicit any strong support for some tough action against TSP.

Thus, despite the public tough-talking posture from 1500-star general Mullen, I don't expect any escalation. Looks like CIA/Pentagon strategists still have an open line of communication with Kiyani and there is still trust in him to deliver. India should better watch out. As Kiyani gives in, in return for US delivering on India which is Kiyani's main objective, US could very well be working on the Perkovich, Fair bimbo formula with willing collaboraters in New Delhi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby gakakkad » 23 Sep 2011 16:44

^^^ YEAH , that was one of the silliest debates...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 16:51

CRamS wrote: This in turn means that Pentagon/CIA boses through their media mouthpieces have not diseminated TSP perfidy to the joe six pack to elicit any strong support for some tough action against TSP.

Thus, despite the public tough-talking posture from 1500-star general Mullen, I don't expect any escalation. Looks like CIA/Pentagon strategists still have an open line of communication with Kiyani and there is still trust in him to deliver. India should better watch out. As Kiyani gives in, in return for US delivering on India which is Kiyani's main objective, US could very well be working on the Perkovich, Fair bimbo formula with willing collaboraters in New Delhi.


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There is one segment of people everybody seems to be ignoring. The Intelligence community and the Senate Armed forces committee people. They do have lot of weight. Both of them are very worried about the current situation in Af-Pak more so about Pakistan and nukes. So, despite what we hear from the Presidential hopefools and media, the President and the Secretary of State will get the first hand information of the $hit that is happening in the $hithole.And that is what matters! Joe Six Pack does not authorize MOAB or Daisy Cutter to be dropped on foreign soils.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby CRamS » 23 Sep 2011 17:13

Altair,

I know that, but usually disay cutters are preceeded by hot air demates and self righteous pontifications about US victimhood, doing God's own work, the white man's burden etc. Noting of the sort seems to be on the horizon. So, yes, CIA/Pentagon bosses maybe planning some covert action, but in the covert game, given the terrain, suicidal Islam etc, I feel ISI is more endowed than CIA/RAW combined.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby anmol » 23 Sep 2011 17:15

Perry stumbles in debate on Taliban nukes question
12:44am EDT

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - Front-runner Rick Perry stumbled during the Republican presidential candidates' debate on Thursday when asked what he would do if he got a 3 a.m. call alerting him that the Taliban had gotten nuclear weapons from Pakistan.

"Well obviously, before you ever get to that point you have to build a relationship in that region. That's one of the things that this administration has not done," the Texas governor replied at the debate in Orlando, Florida.

Perry made a reference to recent U.S. military accusations that Pakistan's intelligence service was backing Afghanistan's Haqqani insurgent group in carrying out attacks against U.S. targets, including the American Embassy in Afghanistan.

Then he talked about the importance of improving relations with India, Pakistan's neighbor and nuclear rival.

"So to have a relationship with India, to make sure that India knows that they are an ally of the United States. For instance when we had the opportunity to sell India the upgraded F-16s, we chose not to do that ... The point is, our allies need to understand clearly that we are their friends, we will be standing by there with them," Perry replied.

"Today, we don't have those allies in that region that can assist us if that situation that you talked about were to become a reality."


The answer raised doubts about Perry's foreign policy expertise in the region where the United States has been at war for a decade.

Candidate Rick Santorum, who has gained little traction in the race for the Republican nomination to challenge President Barack Obama in 2012, said Perry had failed to answer the question about the Taliban obtaining nuclear weapons.

"Working with allies at that point is the last thing we want to do. We want to work in that country to make sure the problem is defused," Santorum said.


Rick Perry made the comment here :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0T1GFV0 ... age#t=231s

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby member_19648 » 23 Sep 2011 17:19

Altair wrote:There is a huge underground moment against TSPA and right now they are not organized but they however outnumber TSPArmy manytimes over. There is huge anger against Army and it is growing everyday as more people disappear. It is only a matter of time before a complete breakdown happens.
Although it cannot be verified it can be assumed that Arms are being supplied to Balochis.


Shouldn't it be kept a secret?? God Forbid if some unwanted people are lurking here, might as well bring trouble to some poor people!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby RajeshA » 23 Sep 2011 17:19

BTW, there is a thread here for this purpose: "Indian Interests in US Presidential Election Campaign 2012"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 17:26

CRamS wrote:Altair,

I know that, but usually disay cutters are preceeded by hot air demates and self righteous pontifications about US victimhood, doing God's own work, the white man's burden etc. Noting of the sort seems to be on the horizon. So, yes, CIA/Pentagon bosses maybe planning some covert action, but in the covert game, given the terrain, suicidal Islam etc, I feel ISI is more endowed than CIA/RAW combined.


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US has lost the advantage of having an "element of surprise". They have been totally compromised in some fronts. Any self righteous statements is not going to help and they know it. They do not have time to prepare their nation for a surgical attack on Pakistan as it takes lot of time for the message to trickle down and their economy is doing no better.All they can hope for is whatever intel they have on Haqqanis is good enough. When the time comes,they can provide the necessary options for their President and hope for the best. This is not going to be covert anymore. Pakistan will make sure of that. It will all be sound and light show,hopefully sooner than later!.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 23 Sep 2011 17:28

if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 23 Sep 2011 17:30

Lalmohan wrote:if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?

sabotage

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby member_19648 » 23 Sep 2011 17:35

Lalmohan wrote:if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?


They would try to take out a few targets, get some kills in dogfight, bomb some nearby bases etc etc, when they run out of A/Cs and supplies and are severely damaged/destroyed, they would fire their missiles at anything and everything that they can think of leading to destruction of a few in the region. Then the Paki elite will flee to safe asylums and from such safe havens, would watch the show of total annihilation of the nation!

I maybe wrong though!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Lalmohan » 23 Sep 2011 17:44

tspa is not stupid enough to actually fight anyone

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby member_19648 » 23 Sep 2011 18:06

Lalmohan wrote:tspa is not stupid enough to actually fight anyone


Sorry, I hadn't noticed the Haqqani network. I was thinking air strikes against TSP itself. All airstrikes will be based on intel and US is lacking in HUMINT and TECHINT of Haqqanis, as a report suggested! I guess PA will try to hide the Haqqanis from such strikes as much as possible and if push comes to shove, might give them up, after all, there is an abundance of haqqanis in Pakiland. How long would it take to raise another group up!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby parsuram » 23 Sep 2011 18:27

Re: Altair:

They do not have time to prepare their nation for a surgical attack on Pakistan as it takes lot of time for the message to trickle down and their economy is doing no better


And ever since forever, War is a sure shot means of lifting an economy out of the basement. It is just a lot of deficit spending, but it works. And really, the US has not had a worthy oponent in either Iraq or Afghanistan. The paki will do a little mbetter than those two - well, atleast better than the Afghan's taliban.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby harbans » 23 Sep 2011 18:34

Also factor one thing if at all the Northern supply networks are up and running and US boots and Daisy cutters start exploding on Paki soil and more including taking out the ISI S wing in slumabad or something. Paki's will have nowhere to seek help. Chinese will play Taller than Mariana and deeper than Himalaya than vice versa in those circumstances. Paki's in the event will run to India..and all the WKK bhaichara will set up in full swing. Expect SMK to read lifafa's claiming how illegal it is of the US to be bombing our brothers in the region type of statement..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 23 Sep 2011 18:44

harbans wrote: Expect SMK to read lifafa's claiming how illegal it is of the US to be bombing our brothers in the region type of statement..


Only if he can recall why he stood up in the first place - ie whether it was to read or go to the loo or what.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby subodh » 23 Sep 2011 18:45

There is no need to bomb, daisy cut, etc.

This is all bloviating from Mullen and the rest. I doubt anything real will happen.

The paki fauji elite have built up huge wealth in the US, especially land holding in CA - as well as in other places. If the US was serious about squeezing anyone's nuts, it doesnt have to do much beyond gently sniffing around that wealth - most of which was a clean transfer from US taxpayers to the secular jihadis in any case.

The paki orcs have the US in what brf used to call the 'monkey trap'. The end result of gaming a real demolition of the paki project (which is the only way the incremental provocation from the paki side will definitively stop) is too scary for the US, and from a cost basis, probably not worth incurring.

So lot of f@rting and 'stern' words, even some never before heard, etc. Then more baksheesh, some bombing of huts, the al-quaida #3 captured for the 525th time and life goes on.

Also - all media space is being consumed by the economy, jobs, the markets and elections.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2011 18:51

Lalmohan wrote:if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?


Threaten to help?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Sep 2011 19:05

The outgoing chairman of the JCS is being used to issue statements, so that US can quickly disavow them when he retires, if it proves to be convenient.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Pratyush » 23 Sep 2011 19:08

JE Menon wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?


Threaten to help?


:rotfl: :rotfl:

JEM Ji,

You are too much ji.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby vnadendla » 23 Sep 2011 19:11

Hari Seldon wrote:
Anujan wrote:India should urge restraint, ask US to not jump to conclusions and offer to play the part of a intermediary where we can talk to Pakistan and arrange some sort of a joint Pakistan-US investigation to establish who the culprits were. US should also hand over any evidence it has to Pakistan so that Pakistani courts can prosecute the culprits. Ultimately US should realize that it is making the Af-Pak border a nuclear flashpoint.


Brilliant, sir.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SBajwa » 23 Sep 2011 19:13

Lalmohan wrote:
if the US were to undertake sustained and heavy airstrikes against the haqqani operating locations
what can TSPA/F actually do?


They probably are already moving haqqanis away from their known locations. Expect million dollars missile to take out empty "operating locations"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby hulaku » 23 Sep 2011 19:18

And is somewhat related news Unkil has removed restriction on Military aid on Uzbekistan as it gets more dependent on the Northern route for its supplies to Afghanistan.

U.S. removes restriction on military aid to Uzbekistan

http://en.trend.az/news/politics/1936056.html

Less $$$ for donkeysexistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 23 Sep 2011 19:43

Did anyone see ex-ISI chief Asad Durrani's statement that TSPA should now openly support TaliPaks against the US? Interesting stuff.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shravan » 23 Sep 2011 19:45

Sectarian attack: 3 killed, 3 injured in Quetta

The Express Tribune correspondent Shehzad Baloch said that those killed were coal miners belonging to the Hazara Shia community.

The armed men forced the passengers off the van and after identifying three men as ethnic Hazara Shia, shot them dead.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Sep 2011 19:53

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... tan-092311

Rather than the Haqqani Network, it would be more appropriate to call this the Waziristan Militant Complex.
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The bottom line is that the militants in Waziristan depend on the jihad for their survival and thus have to oppose any settlement.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JE Menon » 23 Sep 2011 19:58

Rman, didn't see the Durrani statement... any link to it? Durrani has been a bit of a weird character, walking the twilight zone between acceptability and "Gul"istan...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 23 Sep 2011 20:00

From Twitter:
Rezhasan Rezaul Hasan Laskar
Adm Mullen "knows fully well which all countries are in contact with Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive: Kayani.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 23 Sep 2011 20:21

BBC

When I spoke to a former head of the ISI, General Asad Durrani, on the programme last night, he went even further: Pakistan should be supporting the anti-US opposition in Afghanistan, he said. If the US insists on launching drone strikes against targets in Pakistan, sometimes killing innocent Pakistani civilians, then the US and Pakistan are in a state of what he called "low-intensity conflict".


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