Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Nov 2011 08:22

pgbhat wrote:Musharraf: Mullah Omar has 'never been in Pakistan'

Guess just like OBL!!!

liar liar pants on fire.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Nov 2011 08:25

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

The Australians come to the bitter realisation that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has a penchant for supporting Islamic Terrorism.

Editorial in the Australian by Foreign Editor, Greg Sheridan:

Yet elements of the Pakistani military and intelligence agencies are intimately assisting the people who are killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. The extent and detail of the reporting of this is now irrefutable. Countless Americans up to the most senior commanders have stated bluntly that Pakistan continues to give assistance to the Haqqani network and to elements of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Read it all:

Stop funding Pakistan while it pays to kill Diggers

dada · Post by **dada** » 10 Nov 2011 08:57

SBajwa

Your Post on the Abductions of Hindu/Sikh women by Muslim Raiders was excellent. This reminds me of the Interview of Imran(Taliban)Khan who was asked by a Journo (some years back) as to why women from the Indian Subcontinent fall for him. His Answer .. ? . "We always had for ourselves & enjoyed the best of the Indian women !"

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Nov 2011 09:00

A_Gupta wrote:
Narad wrote:Hope this is mere poak farting by YAWN.

Bangladesh may withdraw complaint over EU help for Pakistan
Well, the original is here:
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... ws&sp=true

The only hope is that the Bangla Foreign Secy. says - "I will check with Geneva" - shouldn't he have said, "I will check with Dhaka?"

Older Bangla take:
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/n ... nid=203945

“We did not prepare any position paper this year in this regard. We are not sure enough whether we would oppose this year as we did not receive any signal from the high level of the government,” the official said.

Perhaps this will clear the air. An excerpt from the WTO website dealing with EU’s waiver request for granting preference to exports from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to compensate for floods there two years ago that was raised in the November 7, 2011 meeting of the WTO’s Council for Trade in Goods:

EU’s waiver request for Pakistan

The European Union recalled that almost a year ago it tabled its request for tariff preferences for Pakistan to help the country recover from massive flooding. It has now submitted a revised request that takes into account the systemic concerns expressed by several members, and stressed that the measure is for two years only.

The United States and Norway supported the EU request. Viet Nam said its concerns had been addressed in bilateral talks, and that it was now ready to support the EU request. Morocco said it could support the EU request but would have preferred prior consultations with the EU since the waiver request covers textiles, a capital sector of its economy. Bangladesh, Indonesia, Peru and Argentina said they were still studying the revised request, and requested more consultations with the EU. Brazil expressed reservation about the request and asked the EU for consultations on possible effects on Brazilian exports.

Pakistan said the revised EU request made clear that this waiver would not be a precedent for the future, thus it had addressed the systemic concerns of some members. The EU said it has done its best to respond to the consultations, but it was clear that some complexity remained. It would like to consult with members, and hoped for a unanimous agreement as soon as possible.

The Council took note of the statements and agreed to revert to this matter at its next meeting.

Rollback of various trade restrictions urged, EU to consult on Pakistan waiver

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 Nov 2011 09:58

Edited: reposting reply in Iran's Identity politics thread.

Kamboja, I posted my reply here.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Nov 2011 10:14

pgbhat wrote:Musharraf: Mullah Omar has 'never been in Pakistan'

May what Gola says come True, i.e Balochistan is a separate country and not part of Pakistan. Pakistan should become only Northern Punjab.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 10 Nov 2011 10:27

shiv wrote:

In this clip Stephen Sackr fails to point ot a fundamental contradiction in what Musharraf says. When it comes to Mullah Omar being in Pakistan Musharraf says "I don't know". When it comes to the question of Mullah Omar being in Afghanistan, Musharraf is 100% certain of Mullah Omar's presence in Afghanistan.

Being from the computer industry we had a phrase for people like Moosh who had a definitive NO and a definitive YES to the same question which was posed but with a slightly different context.

We used to call that person "Bit, No-Bit". Representing his limited ability to be capable of only two states!

In plain english it translated to Moron. More-on than off!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 10:41

Khar meets Yasin Malik ahead of India visit, talks Kashmir

Another example of increasing trust between India and TSP?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 10 Nov 2011 11:24

From the Daily Times Pk. And posted in full.

McCaul unclear Zardari can make good on his pledge

ISLAMABAD: The head of the Homeland Security delegation, Michael McCaul, downplayed the significance of President Asif Ali Zardari’s remarks about “eradicating” the Haqqani network, saying it was unclear whether President Zardari had the power to make good on his pledge, given the influence of the military in Pakistan. “The president, on the record, said ‘I am going to work with you to eradicate them,’” McCaul said. He further quoted Zardari as saying: “I know these people very well, they are snakes and I’m going to go after all of them.” McCaul said he welcomed the president’s statement, but “the real question is how much does this president control the military” and the country’s spy service. McCaul said the American delegation asked to meet the Pakistani army and spy chiefs, but this was not possible. He said that US will continue to attach great importance to bilateral relations. agencies

FWIW

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2011 11:30

Are MSA and MKB guiding MMS policy?

11:21 AM The PM reiterated that the two countries will resume bilateral talks especially since the dialogue process has yielded positive results.
11:21 AM PM at Saarc: Gilani man of peace, let's leave past behind:

PM Manmohan Singh addresses the press at the Saarc summit. The PM says the dialogue with his Pak PM Gilani has been positive. "We will resume dialogues with all the sincerity. I believe PM Gilani is a man of peace. Let us leave the bitterness of the past behind us."

The two leaders discussed visa liberalisation, the 26/11 trial, the Samjhauta blast trial, measures to build on the MFN status. Details awaited.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Nov 2011 11:33

Now the pakis are making fun of us. Way to go GOI.

Kasab is a terrorist, should be hanged: Malik

Addu: Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik, on Thursday, said that Ajmal Amir Kasab, who has been sentenced to death for the 2008 Mumbai attack, should be hanged.

Speaking on the sidelines of the SAARC summit here, Malik told reporters that Kasab is a non state actor and should be sent to gallows.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Nov 2011 11:35

US ‘confident’ on Pakistan nuclear weapons safety

WASHINGTON: The United States believes that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are in safe hands, a State Department spokesman said Wednesday, rebutting a report that Islamabad’s atomic arsenal was vulnerable to theft.

Two US publications, The Atlantic and the National Journal, citing unnamed sources, last week said Pakistan had transported nuclear weapons in low-security vans on congested roads to hide them from US spy agencies.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters in Washington that the United States was not persuaded that safety had been compromised.

“We have confidence that the government of Pakistan is well aware of the range of potential threats to its nuclear arsenal and is accordingly giving very high priority to securing its nuclear weapons and materials effectively,” Toner told reporters.

“We continue to have confidence… that they’re taking appropriate steps,” he said.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 11:37

^^^

Some should ask the minister, if Kasab is a terrorist, then what about his co conspirators. Why are they not being prosecuted by TSP it self. Or why are they not being handed over to India?

And by extension.............. What does it make the TSP?

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2011 11:44

When MMS has already said:

I believe PM Gilani is a man of peace. Let us leave the bitterness of the past behind us.

Don't think other small technicalities matter.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 10 Nov 2011 11:50

Pratyush wrote:^^^

Some should ask the minister, if Kasab is a terrorist, then what about his co conspirators. Why are they not being prosecuted by TSP it self. Or why are they not being handed over to India?

And by extension.............. What does it make the TSP?

Does it mean Gol, Durree-ani, Kiya nahin also will be swung, hung and flung?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Nov 2011 11:53

Didn't Gilani saheb say after S-e-S that Mr. Singh was a man-of-peace ? This time around, it is the reverse. Let's see what concessions are made.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2011 12:01

Seems India deserves this public humiliation and display of impotence going by our Pak policy so far:

Asked about Pakistan removing Jamat-ud-Dawa from the terror list, Malik said, "Information is not evidence and there is need for concrete legal evidence for keeping them in the terror list".

On the release of JuD founder Hafiz Saeed, he said, "He was bailed out by the highest court of Pakistan and the government can't do anything about it".

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Nov 2011 12:51

^^Notice the QuikClot for use in case of getting wounded. May more of his tribe increase in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Nov 2011 13:30

sum wrote:Seems India deserves this public humiliation and display of impotence going by our Pak policy so far:

Asked about Pakistan removing Jamat-ud-Dawa from the terror list, Malik said, "Information is not evidence and there is need for concrete legal evidence for keeping them in the terror list".

Oh yes, information surely is not evidence. The UN included Professor saheb's name in the Terrorists List under UNSC Resolution 1822 based on what it termed as 'incontrovertible evidence.' Immediately after the UN ban, Professor saheb was house-arrested, for a period of one month. The Pakistani Government contended, before the full Bench of the LHC, that Prof. Hafeez Saeed was 'kept in confinement in pursuance of the United Nations resolution 1822 of 2008', a contention that was rejected by the LHC (Lahore High Court) later on because there was no such requirement in the UNSC notification. Instead of independently investigating the UN charges and indicting Prof. Hafeez Saeed, the Pakistani government blamed the UN for his arrest. The court held that there was no material to detain him under 'preventive measure' and the UN resolution did not specifically require an arrest. One of the judges pointedly asked the state prosecutor as to why Pakistan should be so concerned by a UN Resolution when India had not cared to implement several UN Resolutions on Kashmir. Anyway, the federal and the Punjab governments went to the SC (Supreme Court) in appeal against the release of Prof. Hafeez Saeed. Again, simply the UNSC Resolution was presented before the Chief Justice who demanded more compelling evidence. Then, the Punjab government withdrew from the case citing 'lack of evidence' ! Then the GoP, the sole remaining party, sought postponement of the proceedings because the files were all with the Punjab Attorney General, a contention that Punjab denied. In this confusion, the case has been indefinitely postponed.

On the release of JuD founder Hafiz Saeed, he said, "He was bailed out by the highest court of Pakistan and the government can't do anything about it".

If Rehman Malik is now saying that the Supreme Court has dismissed the case, that was probably done discretely.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Nov 2011 13:49

A 'new chapter' in the making, claim Man Mohan Singh & Gilani

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Nov 2011 14:13

SSridhar wrote:A 'new chapter' in the making, claim Man Mohan Singh & Gilani

Terrorism with trust? Murder in the midst of un-interruptible dialog?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Nov 2011 14:18

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote:A 'new chapter' in the making, claim Man Mohan Singh & Gilani
Terrorism with trust? Murder in the midst of un-interruptible dialog?

Terror will target only Aam Addmi's, so INC feels it is ok.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Nov 2011 14:44

^ Isn't it interesting that both the PM's are puppets while real power lies somewhere else and both are acting as if they define and decide the policy.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Nov 2011 15:35

Salman Khan studying Nuclear Physics

For his role in Ek Tha Tiger, Salman Khan is doing full research. The thriller has him in the role of a scientist blamed for leaking secrets about nuclear weapons from Britain to Pakistan.

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The world of the Pakis , "the leader of the ummah", is crumbling around them!!

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 10 Nov 2011 16:37

Russia endorses full SCO membership for Pakistan

http:///paktribune.com/news/Russia-endorses-full-SCO-membership-for-Pakistan-244987.html

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Nov 2011 16:40

India 'mindful' of Pak sensitivities over Afghanistan: US

WASHINGTON: The US has said India has adopted a "very responsible" approach towards Afghanistan and stayed away from taking up a major role in training security forces of the war-torn country so as not to exacerbate Pakistan's concerns.

"I think India has actually been very careful, very mindful of the fact that Pakistan is sensitive to the types of assistance it provides to the Afghans," Michele Flournoy, US under secretary of defence for policy, said.

"It has consciously chosen not to take a major role, for example, in the training and development of the security forces. They have a small police training programme for female police officers in India," she said in response to a question at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, according to a copy of the transcript provided by the Pentagon here.

Afghanistan needs to develop positive relationships with all of its neighbours, she said, noting that the Afghans and Indians have recently signed a strategic partnership of their own.

"We have not seen the details of that document, but our understanding is that India is primarily at this point providing a great deal of development assistance to Afghanistan in the transportation and infrastructure sectors, and so forth," she said.

I still think MMS & Co were just playing along the script written by Washington to spook TSP when they signed the deal with Karzai.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 10 Nov 2011 17:34

US steps up pressure on Pakistan to take action in N Waziristan

Keeping up pressure on Pakistan to strike at militant groups in North Waziristan, US has warned if Islamabad does not become a part of the solution, it could be branded as part of the problem.

Pointing out that a "sort of witches brew of militant groups" was sheltering in the rugged area, the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Michele Flournoy said US is engaged in a very "candid and intensive" discussions with Pakistan about how they can together deal with some of these groups.

"Insurgency continues to benefit from sanctuaries and support inside Pakistan. This has contributed to rise of cross-border incidents and the security situation in Regional Command East remains tenuous as a result," Flournoy said.

"Safe havens along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan are a very serious problem, and they are at the top of our agenda in our engagement with the Pakistani government," she said.

The Pentagon official said even though the US has several billions of dollars of security assistance in the pipeline, very little of that is being delivered to Pakistan now because most of its equipment deliveries require training at the receiving end.

"Well, Pakistan, in the wake of the bin Laden raid and other things, asked us to pull all our trainers back. So we can't impart training on the equipment. So we can't deliver the equipment. So this is blocking the delivery of a lot of assistance that's already in the pipeline," she said.

The US official also said that some financial payments owed to the Pakistani government had not been released for the last two quarters because we need to see concrete progress on some of our counter-terrorism objectives together.

"I believe that we can be successful in Afghanistan even with some degree of continued safe havens in Pakistan, but it will be much more difficult and much more resource intensive to sustain that success," she said.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Nov 2011 17:57

arun wrote: Reaction of one time BRF favourite Shrilleen aka Dr. Shireen Mazari to the article titled “The Ally from Hell” by Jeffrey Goldberg and Marc Ambinder that appeared in magazine “The Atlantic”.

Our ‘ally from hell’: a rejoinder to US hawks

This rejoinder from Shireen once again re-inforces US's soft peddling TSP for larger geo-political strategic gain, thecenter piece of which I need not re-iterate: India == TSP. Here is why. Please see Shirleen's crude anti-Semitism which is symptomatic of TSP, RAPE and Abduls alike:

Jeffrey Goldberg served in the Israeli Defence Forces and was a prison guard during the First Intifada - so one does not have to imagine too much to understand where he is coming from.

As for Marc Ambinder, the White House correspondent for the National Journal, he has had a psychological battle against obesity and his wife works for the Boston Consulting Group which includes amongst its current and former employees Israel’s extreme right wing leader Benjamin Netanyahu! I rest my case of the US being our “ally from hell”.

Typically, US definition of "bad guys" runs the gamut depending on the flavor of the day, but for sure any country that is plauged such crude anti-semitism, will surely be on US hit list. And a key barometer of this is US's mouthpiece media from right-wing Fuax news to "liberal" NPR would do the needful bringing this anti-semitism to public consciousness, but not so in case of TSP. Why?

I attribute it to the various power centers in US. No doubt the Jewish lobby reigns supreme in DC, but so is the Pentagon/CIA/state and security establishment including think tanks. Cost/benefit analysis will deem whether the anti-semitism needs to be highloghter, or in the larger interests, this should pass. And in the case of TSP, the latter view dominates. So much so, that even someone like Uneven who is Jewish talks about "Hindu oppression" of TSP. And by God, the foxy TSPA/ISI do keep their eye on the first and most important target: India, and not let thier ant-semitism get the better of them so as to not tip the balance against Pentagon/CIA.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Nov 2011 18:09

India to move to Preferential Trade Agreement (PTA) with TSP

With Prime Minister Manmohan Singh declaring that time has come to write a “new chapter” in the history of two countries, India on Thursday decided to move towards a Preferential Trade Agreement with Pakistan as both sides agreed to put in place a liberalised visa regime soon.

The decision to move towards a Preferential Trade Agreement with Pakistan under SAFTA that will lead to zero customs duty on all traded goods by 2016 came as Dr.Singh met his counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani on the margins of the 17th SAARC summit.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Nov 2011 18:28

SSridhar wrote:India to move to Preferential Trade Agreement (PTA) with TSP
With Prime Minister Manmohan Singh declaring that time has come to write a “new chapter” in the history of two countries, India on Thursday decided to move towards a Preferential Trade Agreement with Pakistan as both sides agreed to put in place a liberalised visa regime soon.

The decision to move towards a Preferential Trade Agreement with Pakistan under SAFTA that will lead to zero customs duty on all traded goods by 2016 came as Dr.Singh met his counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani on the margins of the 17th SAARC summit.

So chinese can dump goods and pakis can make a 5% margin and rip our domestic Industries off. Wow, what a wonderful idea.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 10 Nov 2011 20:17

I am posting in off topic thread on slavery and slave trade during Islamic rule.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Nov 2011 21:46

^^ Meanwhile, back at the zoo:
PM, Gilani meet at beach cottage, script new chapter in ties

What is it with Beach resorts, MMS and Gilani which causes MMS to go weak in the knees and blurt out absolute BS ??
(case in points are the SeS declaration, the Havana fiasco and now Maldives thing where he made the FS, Mathai, read out a prepared statement saying that "forget the past and begin with new slate" and "Gilani is a man of peace")

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Nov 2011 21:54

MEA should confiscate PM's passport, so that he can't travel abroad and every time sell one disc from India's backbone!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 Nov 2011 22:36

RajeshA wrote:MEA should confiscate PM's passport, so that he can't travel abroad and every time sell one disc from India's backbone!

Either he is lying or he is being blackmailed. No sane person on this planet would do that.

sukhish · Post by **sukhish** » 10 Nov 2011 22:39

CRamS,
excellent post. No matter what anybody says, the U.S strategic interest the CIA/Centcom are very mindful about pakistan. They will not cut off from pakistan. India is definitely in there mind, because they know that as India grows, pakistan would be helpful in countering it. that's why India should have good relations with china as well. I predict at some point in next three years, India's relations with china will improve considerably, because of U.S.

the sole superpower is not that easy to understand.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 10 Nov 2011 23:00

Man, how much good stuff still remains in peace pipe? It's not fun anymore... Do Pakis know that when PM decides to smoke... he decides to smoke and they can make whatever announcement before and after meeting the dear leader? Please do show me the chanakian in today's meeting specially after loud mouth Malik's statements and OFFICIALLY taking JuD off the terror list....

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 10 Nov 2011 23:09

Yup, that demand for a 'liberalized' visa regime shows up again.

What kind of incompetent PMO do we have that allows MMS to interact one on one with the likes of groper. This is the man who can not say NO to anyone and PMO knows it too.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 Nov 2011 23:12

Venkarl wrote:I guess kids were assigned a teacher or were sent to some Imam for Islamic teachings. Any attempt by a Dharmic mom to instill Dharmic values in her kids would cause tremors in Imam's heart which will hit back at Mom with Punishment/torture/Death. So Moms keep quiet and suffer till they live.

Knowing Pakis so well, I would not be surprised of a spectacular attack on 11/26 anniversary this month end.

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chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Nov 2011 00:52

Altair wrote: Knowing Pakis so well, I would not be surprised of a spectacular attack on 11/26 anniversary this month end.

Sad as it might be, GOI needs spectacular events from time to time to wake itself up.People of India would be like canon fodder to the paki designs and MMS would sing praise of his birthplace.

Listening to Times Now debate , where few Paki b@$t@rd$ are having field day, is sickening to me.