RajSingh wrote:Saar .. I am a graduate from IIT kgp . a bunch of my friends joined HAL , MDL , NTPC , BHEL , DRDO etc. in 2009 when we graduated and now most of them have either left the companies or are eager to leave it .. not because the salary is less ( which is actually pretty good for IITians) but because there is no work. All innovative work is outsourced to private companies and the managers hardly utilize the skills of the engineers . Everybody is happy sitting down and making money and doing nothing. The young people want more challenges and so move on to do higher degrees or join companies with more challenge.
and BTW no one goes to Wipro and Infy from IIT's . Its considered an insult if a BTech from IIT has to join these IT companies !!
I don't want to sound insulting to you or to anyone else. But let me just point out what appear to be "home truths" about Indian, IIT, engineering and education in India. All personal viewpoints just like yours, starting from having close family (brothers/cousins/in laws) in IIT Kgp, Mumbai, Madras ending up with their children and their generations children getting - some in IIT again and some non IIT engineers.
IITs are supposed to be the best engineering institutes in India and they are certainly better than most of the rest. But they still do not come very high up on the world ranking simply because even IIT alumni "look down" with contempt at anyone who has to do an MTech at IIT. You would never ever consult an MBBS doctor for anything but the most minor problems, you want a guy with specialist training. The more the merrier. Why shoud it be different for engineers. 4 years education hardly makes a good engineer out of a good student. IITs do not offer respectable post graduate education.
The other engineering colleges are worse barring the ones that are affiliated with AIEEE - the RECs and a few others. Even Infosys and WIPRO are not particularly bothered about IIT graduates because they can take on willing people from "lesser" colleges and train them to do the job they want done rather than use the material that IIT graduate come stuffed with i their heads. They seem to be doing perfectly well without IIT material.
The problem is that no employer in India can look for "IIT IIT IIT" every time. He can only hope to get the "average engineering graduate". The "average engg graduate" in India has attended 3-4 years of coaching classes from 9th to 12 std and he then gets into some engineering course in and engineering college with not enough faculty and who are sometimes unemployable elsewhere. The engineer who scrapes through is hardly an engineer. These are the people who man Indian industries.
Engineering innovation and excellence comes from research. Research means funds, science and high quality educational institutions that can offer respectable Techs or PhDs. Private companies are not doing much research. Most research is done in government labs of DRDO etc. The easiest thing is to curse and easier to be contemptuous of India. But it is more difficult to suppress the anger , convert it to concern and ask how to go about solving a fundamental education and research funding problem in India.
The "mai-baap" solution of "government should do this and that" is silly. If you curse the government on the one hand for being incompetent, you cannot expect the same government to come up with solutions. How does the government run good quality subsidized IITs while it cannot run government research labs? There is something important missing in this non analysis. Rants do not help. Most people who are good students in India who go abroad (like all my IIT relatives) end up feeling that "their talents were recognised abroad". That could mean that their talents, honed in IITs in india were actually no good for India. At least a few of them start identifying with the west which recognized their talents and then start roundly cursing the India that trained them to do well abroad.
No need to curse and rant.