The hulls are fabricated somewhere else...hulls are being fabricated at Vadodara
2. Arun_S was claiming in the other forum, almost one year ago that the Reactor was operational.
The hulls are fabricated somewhere else...hulls are being fabricated at Vadodara
Its open source that the hulls are being fabricated on the west coast or at least they were for the first 2-3 hulls.Gagan wrote:1. Another factual error is this lineThe hulls are fabricated somewhere else...hulls are being fabricated at Vadodara
2. Arun_S was claiming in the other forum, almost one year ago that the Reactor was operational.
Don't think so. The Navy took over the HSL yard, right next to it's own facilities at Vizag. That has a covered yard about the right size for Nuke subs. I think it will shift there , with components and hull sections etc, still being built by L&T at other locations.Now L&T has this HUGE shipbuilding yard just north of Chennai. Production of future hulls might shift there.
This facility north of Chennai is very recent. A lot of things have been happening since a very long time at a lot of placesGagan wrote:And they have been putting the hulls on a barge and pulling them all across kanyakumari to vizag.
Now L&T has this HUGE shipbuilding yard just north of Chennai. Production of future hulls might shift there.
Thats right. But the production should move to the east coast now with L&T's new shipyard there.Vipul wrote:The hulls IIRC were being fabricated by L&T at their shipyard in Hazira not Vadodra.
EXACTLYWill wrote:
No wonder the cost of the Viki escalated so much
The reactor's performance will be tested in various stages, including firing of weapons and operations in the depth of the ocean. If everything remained in place, the submarine is expected to be ready for induction by 2014.
t's the first Royal Navy submarine that can hover underwater. The hover adds to its stealth.
...no longer has a traditional periscope to peer above the water
...Instead Astute has cameras fitted on a mast that feed live pictures into the control room. In daylight it provides colour images that can zoom into a target. At night they use a thermal imaging camera.
Unlike the old periscope that would pop out of the water for minutes at a time, Astute's mast breaks cover for just a few seconds. It can record what it sees giving the crew time to analyse the images. It's another feature that makes the submarine harder to detect.
It's taken a decade to build HMS Astute. Five years after she was launched and more than two years after she was commissioned and she's still undergoing sea trials. The programme is way over budget and late.
A rotating launcher maybe?Aditya_V wrote:Well this 12 -k-15 and 4 -K-4 is psdy -ops. can you you put BM side by side in a Hatch like CM's. I doubt it.
Yes. Even I am sceptical about this 12-4 theory. Further, I doubt if the range of K-15 is mere 750KM. Doesn't pack lot of punch for an SLBM.Aditya_V wrote:Well this 12 -k-15 and 4 -K-4 is psdy -ops. can you you put BM side by side in a Hatch like CM's. I doubt it.
750Km is good enough for our friends up the arabian sea.prashanth wrote:Singha ji,
True. But what is the strategic value of such an SLBM? You have to go very close to the enemy coast to launch it.
This leaves me wondering if the K15 is a smokescreen to cover something else.
Possible. Another possibility is that the K15 will be the naval equivalent of prithvi. Comes cheap for practice sessions to train submariners.Boreas wrote:prashanth wrote:Singha ji,
750Km is good enough for our friends up the arabian sea.
panda is always second in our priority list. atleast untill very recently it was.
Yes i would image with around 30 weapons in torpedo room and 12 vl nirbhay, she would be equivalent of the 688i or akula in terms of strike power and a lot bigger than the raggedy ass mini ssn like trafalgar and rubis.merlin wrote:I thought Arihant and her sisters S3 and S4 are interim SSBNs. Once the larger follow on class are ready, Arihant and her sisters would likely revert to SSGN role with 12 VLS cruise missiles (Nirbhay perhaps).
SLBM is reserved for nuclear delivery role only. Why is 750 KM range an issue for targeting Panda from the oceans? Are we saying that the Panda detection net is strong? They severely lack capable ASW corvettes, capable fixed wing and rotary assets for the job. They still depend on old style mines and some sonar capability. Lack of ASW assets is known to be the achilles heel of PLAN. They also lack willing poodles in the region except by way of N. Korea willing to cooperate in this matter like India does with Singapore, vietnam. What we ought to invest in is making something like the Nirbhay to be launched as an SLCM.Boreas wrote: 750Km is good enough for our friends up the arabian sea.
panda is always second in our priority list. atleast untill very recently it was.
prashanth wrote:Singha ji,
True. But what is the strategic value of such an SLBM? You have to go very close to the enemy coast to launch it.
This leaves me wondering if the K15 is a smokescreen to cover something else.
You need to first learn to walk before you can run, K15 is our walking phase the next SLBMs will come when we gain the capability to run. K15 is our Prithvi of SLBM class missiles.ramana wrote:I think K15 was to provide a 'quick' sea leg to the triad.
K4 is more like it with deployment in South Indian Ocean.
You fight with what you have. IAF justifies an air launched deterrent capability against PRC, arguing a one way ditch effort using the Su-30's. The other geo-political players can assist, look the other way or gain India's enmity. The K15 is not perfect or adequate but I think push comes to shove the asset shall be used. My view is we do not need any SLBM capability with nuclear payloads for the Pakistanis next door. We did be fools not to follow up on Cam Ranh Bay. Also, is there a reason for K15 to not be on the diesel/AIP equipped subs? Somehow all talk of it is limited to Arihant only.ramana wrote:ShauryaT, To be able to launch a 750km weapon the sub has to come quite close to shore in South China Sea which is practically a closed sea. This makes the sub detection not very hard. You are forgetting a big player deployed in the area who might be interested in stability!
So I dont think Arihant is right now configured for the PRC deterrent role.