China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 13 Dec 2012 13:18

it will end up like this and this thread will probably wil never be used

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 14:51

ashi wrote: Usually the Chinese members are very much sticking to the topic and only post Chinese military related news/discussion.

That's not 'true'. check my posts and how many times i have reminded them the thread title is "Chinese military". And this reminder has been given by other members too.

The provocation come from some Indian members and they start deriding Chinese manufacturing, Chinese culture, and then start name calling. I guess they just can't handle the truth.

Blatant lie. The opposite of what you said it 'True'. Chinese members drag 'India' in each and every discussion. Again check my posts and count how many times i have reminded them this is "Chinese Military" thread.

I say mods should delete everything that is non Chinese military related in this thread, regardless who and what.

I agree.

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 14:57

Japan Answers Chinese Plane With Fighter Jets

Japan scrambled fighter jets over contested islands in the East China Sea after a small Chinese propeller plane entered what Tokyo considers its airspace.

Coming just three days before general elections in Japan, Thursday's move sharply escalates territorial tensions that have already damaged economic relations between the two neighbors.

The Japanese government said that eight F-15 fighter planes from the Air Self-Defense Force were dispatched to airspace over the islands after coast-guard patrol vessels confirmed the presence of a single Chinese aircraft 15 kilometers south ...

keshavchandra · Post by **keshavchandra** » 13 Dec 2012 15:10

kish wrote:
ashi wrote: Usually the Chinese members are very much sticking to the topic and only post Chinese military related news/discussion.
That's not 'true'. check my posts and how many times i have reminded them the thread title is "Chinese military". And this reminder has been given by other members too.

The provocation come from some Indian members and they start deriding Chinese manufacturing, Chinese culture, and then start name calling. I guess they just can't handle the truth.
Blatant lie. The opposite of what you said it 'True'. Chinese members drag 'India' in each and every discussion. Again check my posts and count how many times i have reminded them this is "Chinese Military" thread.

I say mods should delete everything that is non Chinese military related in this thread, regardless who and what.
I agree.

As the guideline for the all respected member here, I want all to;
1. No need to intertain any Mr. Chu- zoug- maung here. They all just want derail the flow to nonsense.
2. Second I have a request to admin, kindly use a power full anti virus for these viruses and block there profile further.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 15:22

I have enjoyed all that has happened in the last few pages since the "We must not underestimate China" group has been kicked out of this thread. What it has shown is that the Chinese have absolutely nothing to show which backs there claim of technological == with west and when questioned they deride India instead of answering the questions which further shows that all there claims are smokescreens only.

P.S.- Waiting to see the next Chinese Military striptease videos or photos

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Dec 2012 16:12

reuters

(Reuters) - Japan scrambled fighter jets on Thursday after a Chinese government plane entered for the first time what Japan considers its airspace over disputed islets in the East China Sea, escalating tension between Asia's two biggest economies.

Japan protested to China over the incident but China brushed that off saying the flight by the Chinese aircraft was "completely normal".

Sino-Japanese relations took a tumble in September after Japan bought the tiny islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, from a private Japanese owner.

Patrol ships from the two countries have been shadowing each other since then in a standoff that has raised concern that a collision could escalate into a clash. Thursday's incident was the first time both sides used aircraft in the dispute.

"Despite our repeated warnings, Chinese government ships have entered our territorial waters for three days in an row," Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Osama Fujimura told reporters.

"It is extremely regrettable that, on top of that, an intrusion into our airspace has been committed in this way," he said, adding that Japan had formally protested through diplomatic channels.

Japan's military scrambled eight F-15 fighter jets, the Defense Ministry said. Japanese officials later said the Chinese aircraft had left the area.

It was the first time a Chinese aircraft had intruded into Japan's airspace near the disputed islands, Japan Defense Ministry said.

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda later instructed the government to be "all the more on guard", the Kyodo news agency reported.

China's state maritime agency said a marine surveillance plane had joined four Chinese vessels patrolling around the islands and the fleet had ordered Japanese boats to leave the area immediately.

"The Diaoyu islands and affiliated islands are part of China's inherent territory. China's flight over the islands is completely normal," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a briefing in Beijing.

Japanese analysts said it was a significant escalation.

"This is serious ... intrusion into Japan's airspace is a very important step to erode Japan's effective control over the area," said Kazuya Sakamoto, a professor at Osaka University. "If China sends a military plane as a next step, that would really make Japan's control precarious."

Toshiyuki Shikata, a Teikyo University professor and a retired general, said the use of aircraft by both sides was significant.

"Something accidental is more likely to happen with planes than with ships," he said.

"SACRED TERRITORY"

The incident comes just days before a Japanese election that is expected to return to power the conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) with hawkish former prime minister Shinzo Abe at the helm.

Abe has vowed to take a tough stance in the dispute over the islands, which are near potentially huge maritime gas reserves, and has said that the ruling Democratic Party's mishandling of its diplomacy had emboldened China.

Abe has also promised to boost spending on defense including on the coastguard.

Smaller Asian countries such as the Philippines have also become increasingly worried about Beijing's growing military assertiveness and its claims to disputed islands in the South China Sea.

U.S. President Barack Obama urged Asian leaders during a visit to the region in November to rein in tension over territorial disputes.

Washington does not take a position on the sovereignty of the islands but says they are clearly covered by a 1960 security treaty obliging the United States to come to Japan's aid if attacked.

China says the islands are its "sacred territory" and says its claim predates Japan's.

Nationalization of the islands in September was intended to keep them out of the hands of a fiery nationalist politician, to head off a more damaging confrontation with China.

But the move triggered a wave of protests in China that shuttered Japanese factories and stores, disrupted trade and prompted China to strengthen its own claim to the disputed territory. Japanese carmakers saw their sales in China slump in the weeks after the islands were sold.

(Additional reporting by Terril Yue Jones in BEIJING; Editing by Robert Birsel and Jeremy Laurence)

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 16:17

shiv wrote:
wong wrote:^^^^

. We are the same race and culture.

Being the same culture is only a guarantee of equal stupidity, nothing else. But why are you sucking up for Chinese weapons? Taiwan has only made an F-16 copy and one nice looking trainer. But cheap Chinese K-8s are selling. And crashing.

Lol. F-16 has twin engines? This looks like a Taiwan F-16 copy??

My point was simple. This only took tiny little Taiwan 5 years from first flight to full production. There are over 100 already in service for 15 years. Taiwan doesn't have 70 years of aviation history (remember that funny LCA(Mirage) apologist thread you created on BR ??)

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 16:22

venug wrote:OT:
Ancient Indus Valley Civilization? Do you think Indian civilization starts with IVC? we are the progenitors for your four fathers. Refer to Oppenheimer's 'Real Eve'. If you don't know please dont blast off. In your arrogance and ignorance, you will make a fool out of yourself. My last post on this.

So I have to read Oppenheimer ?? Is he German or British. Thanks for proving my point and please this is not that Out of India thread, funny as it is.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 13 Dec 2012 16:34

This is OUT OF INDIA forum

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 16:36

wong wrote:
So I have to read Oppenheimer ?? Is he German or British.

Its definitely not chinese, so it isn't fake. Stick to topic, prove you are intelligent enough to have a discussion.

please this is not that Out of India thread, funny as it is

You can't keep away from India, can you. You are just like 'paki' ba$tards without brain.

Just like 'pakis' ba$tards you are a disgrace to china.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 16:41

wong wrote:My point was simple. This only took tiny little Taiwan 5 years from first flight to full production. There are over 100 already in service for 15 years. Taiwan doesn't have 70 years of aviation history (remember that funny LCA(Mirage) apologist thread you created on BR ??)

From the same place where you put the pic from

The IDF jet fighter project was designed and built by the Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC) based in Taichung, Taiwan, with assistance from American defense corporations.

So it's pretty clear that the assistance was magnanimous which helped Taiwan create an "indigenous" fighter aircraft but what puzzles me is why does a Chinese has to bring in Taiwanese "indigenous" fighter aircraft in "Chinese Military Watch Thread" to prove Chinese superiority in military tech ???

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 13 Dec 2012 16:45

He will probably bring in nigeria next

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 16:47

^^^ May be he has four fathers like pakis.

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:01

Sagar G wrote:
wong wrote:My point was simple. This only took tiny little Taiwan 5 years from first flight to full production. There are over 100 already in service for 15 years. Taiwan doesn't have 70 years of aviation history (remember that funny LCA(Mirage) apologist thread you created on BR ??)
From the same place where you put the pic from

The IDF jet fighter project was designed and built by the Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC) based in Taichung, Taiwan, with assistance from American defense corporations.
So it's pretty clear that the assistance was magnanimous which helped Taiwan create an "indigenous" fighter aircraft but what puzzles me is why does a Chinese has to bring in Taiwanese "indigenous" fighter aircraft in "Chinese Military Watch Thread" to prove Chinese superiority in military tech ???

Well, I'm from Taiwan, the Republic of China.

And LCA has generous assistance from Dassault, GE and just about everybody else, yet you still consider it "indigenous". Don't you ? Chinese members only bring up India to point out the double standard and generally inconsistent logic of Indian posters. Next you'll tell me about Mao, the Little Red Book and the Great Leap Forward. LOL !!! Right??? That's usually the next stop on the idiocy train.

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:07

Oh, I forgot, the next idiocy station after the Little Red Book is some random insult on the Pakistanis using some racial pejorative. WTF?? Really?? ?? ?? Why always bring Pakistan into everything in a China thread? Stay on topic!!

Harshad · Post by **Harshad** » 13 Dec 2012 17:11

wong wrote:That's usually the next stop on the idiocy train.

Thats fine with us. But why are you travelling first class?

This is neither LCA thread nor FCK thread nor taiwanese nor american thread. Yet you want to be here to say that you make more salary because you are taiwanese american (whatever that means) Why this insecurity?

You should be posting on paki fora. They tickle to chinese scrotum very well and occasionally will poke fingers in your a$$.

Get a life!

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:15

wong wrote:Well, I'm from Taiwan, the Republic of China.

But Taiwan and China currently are two different nations so why bring in Taiwan in this thread ??? Also you are not Chinese by definition but amazingly suck up to Chinese.

wong wrote:And LCA has generous assistance from Dassault, GE and just about everybody else, yet you still consider it "indigenous". Don't you ?

India was put under arms embargo after the nuclear tests and all those "generous" assistance that you think we had vanished as well but still we have made a fighter jet which is pretty capable. This doesn't seem to be the case with your "indigenous" jet which had a continuous flow of assistance from western nations.

All this info came from the same place from where you chose the pic of your "indigenous" jet so thank you for posting that pic

wong wrote:Chinese members only bring up India to point out the double standard and generally inconsistent logic of Indian posters.

Would love to see the display of consistent logic by Chinese posters atleast once in this thread before discussing what Indian posters are doing.

wong wrote:Next you'll tell me about Mao, the Little Red Book and the Great Leap Forward. LOL !!! Right??? That's usually the next stop on the idiocy train.

Since you have declared yourself a Taiwanese hence I won't bring up Mao but still amazed how you suck up to him.

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:21

Harshad wrote:
wong wrote:That's usually the next stop on the idiocy train.
Thats fine with us. But why are you travelling first class?

This is neither LCA thread nor FCK thread nor taiwanese nor american thread. Yet you want to be here to say that you make more salary because you are taiwanese american (whatever that means) Why this insecurity?

You should be posting on paki fora. They tickle to chinese scrotum very well and occasionally will poke fingers in your a$$.

Get a life!

I was asked directly by an Indian member how much I make, correct?? Responding to a direct question is hardly a sign of insecurity. Which reminds me, after the random Pakistani insult, there is the stupid and idiotic assumption that Chinese members must be paid to love and defend their country. The Indian repertoire here is rather limited. You really need new, more creative stuff or just stay on topic.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:25

wong wrote:Chinese must be paid to love and defend their country.

Wait are you now claiming that you are a Chinese ??? You said that you are from Taiwan and with the current thing between Taiwan and China how come you become a Chinese ??? Your claim is in direct contradiction to the stance of your country. First be clear whether you are chinese or taiwanese depending on which we can bring in Mao.

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:30

Sagar G wrote:
wong wrote:Well, I'm from Taiwan, the Republic of China.

But Taiwan and China currently are two different nations so why bring in Taiwan in this thread ??? Also you are not Chinese by definition but amazingly suck up to Chinese.

Actually, both sides recognize they are the same country. So does the UN, the USA and basically everybody else that matters. I am Chinese and proud of it. Who's definition ?? An Indian's definition?? I guess I need the British definition of what constitutes an Indian.

I'll make it simple for you. A Gujarati or whatever is still an Indian. A Taiwanese is still a Chinese. Get it?? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp??

nits · Post by **nits** » 13 Dec 2012 17:32

Please stop the Troll Guys; don't feed them... we are taking down this amazing forum down just because of 2 insane members...

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:35

wong wrote:Actually, both sides recognize they are the same country. So does the UN, the USA and basically everybody else that matters. I am Chinese and proud of it. Who's definition ?? An Indian's definition?? I guess I need the British definition of what constitutes an Indian.

From the source of your "indigenous" fighter pic more info about your county's relationship with China

The People's Republic of China has repeatedly attempted to claim Taiwan as its own territory and refuses to recognize its government and president. In response, this claim is rejected by the government of the Republic of China, which views itself as an independent sovereign country and equally refuses to recognize the existence of the mainland People's Republic of China.

So does people like you considered like naxals in our country or what ???

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:38

wong wrote:I'll make it simple for you. A Gujarati or whatever is still an Indian. A Taiwanese is still a Chinese. Get it?? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp??

But a Gujrati doesn't say that he is from a different country unlike Taiwanese. Get it ??? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp ??

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Dec 2012 17:46

China was getting into multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicles (MIRVs), which could be integrated with its DF-31 and DF-41 missiles. These missiles are capable of firing multiple warheads. The DF-41 missile, it is claimed, has a range of 12,000 km. Pakistan is also interested in acquiring MIRVs. “With the MIRVs, the efficacy of the missile defence shield becomes more challenging,”

China has a multilayered BMD shield. It has done interceptor tests in the exo-atmosphere, the endo-atmosphere and the mid-atmosphere. “Knowing the missile exchanges that have taken place between China and Pakistan, there is always a possibility of these missiles being developed in Pakistan with Chinese assistance,”

flonnet

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:46

Sagar G wrote:
wong wrote:Actually, both sides recognize they are the same country. So does the UN, the USA and basically everybody else that matters. I am Chinese and proud of it. Who's definition ?? An Indian's definition?? I guess I need the British definition of what constitutes an Indian.
From the source of your "indigenous" fighter pic more info about your county's relationship with China

The People's Republic of China has repeatedly attempted to claim Taiwan as its own territory and refuses to recognize its government and president. In response, this claim is rejected by the government of the Republic of China, which views itself as an independent sovereign country and equally refuses to recognize the existence of the mainland People's Republic of China.
So does people like you considered like naxals in our country or what ???

Actually, that's not true either. People write all kinds of crap on wikipedia. Taiwan officially claims China too. Taiwan for 60 years has/had governors and representatives in exile for every single province in China (sort of like your Indian backed Dalai Lama in exile). In fact, China by law, cannot permit a Taiwanese declaration of independence and officially the USA doesn't support it (but if course it does).

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 17:50

Sagar G wrote:
wong wrote:I'll make it simple for you. A Gujarati or whatever is still an Indian. A Taiwanese is still a Chinese. Get it?? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp??
But a Gujrati doesn't say that he is from a different country unlike Taiwanese. Get it ??? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp ??

I'm don't. And I'm Taiwanese. Your country has an active insurgency. Not China nor Taiwan. I'm sure I can find a Kashmiri or Naxalite who doesn't claim India as their country. Too difficult to grasp?? Lol.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:54

wong wrote:Actually, that's not true either. People write all kinds of crap on wikipedia.

Ok now when the tables are turning and it is becoming hard to defend your position Wikipedia is crap. You and the other so called "Chinese" posters must keep this in mind in future before referencing from there.

wong wrote:Taiwan officially claims China too. Taiwan for 60 years has/had governors and representatives in exile for every single province in China (sort of like your Indian backed Dalai Lama in exile). In fact, China by law, cannot permit a Taiwanese declaration of independence and officially the USA doesn't support it (but if course it does).

More from your crappy source

In a poll of Taiwanese aged 20 and older taken by the TVBS in March 2009, a majority of 64% opted for the status quo, while 19% favored independence and 5% unification.

So you are a minority in your country. How sad

But again, amazing how a Taiwanese sucks up to China.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 17:58

wong wrote:I'm don't. And I'm Taiwanese.

Ok Taiwanese national who is a minority in his own country who are ready to suck up to China. This gives you a lot of credibility

wong wrote:Your country has an active insurgency. Not China nor Taiwan.

China has insurgency problem you should know better since you so much love to suck up to china.

wong wrote:I'm sure I can find a Kashmiri or Naxalite who doesn't claim India as their country. Too difficult to grasp?? Lol.

But still they are a part of India unlike Taiwan which hates PRC officially Lol Lol Lol Lol

wong · Post by **wong** » 13 Dec 2012 18:03

^^^^

64% Taiwanese favor status quo. I'm hardly the minority. What Indians don't understand is Taiwan and China like each other much better than Kashmiri and Indians. Kashmir is basically one giant military base right now, etc.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 13 Dec 2012 18:07

Pakis go abroad , claim Indian identity. This wong -fung-fong chinese has come abroad on Indian forum and claiming Taiwanese identity.
Such a gleat leap folwald from Chinese 50 centers. It just goes on to show the inferiority complex chinamen have.

Once i was negotiating with a chinese daughter for the night massage. She was asking 40 usd while i was ready to give 20 usd. Then a gentleman standing beside me in kandura told me ," Ya Allah !!! She is Chinese . No more than 10 usd."

Finally , the deal went through at 10 usd .

Chinese = Cheap , whether goods or services , antics or tactics ...

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:14

wong wrote:
I was asked directly by an Indian member how much I make, correct?? Responding to a direct question is hardly a sign of insecurity. Which reminds me, after the random Pakistani insult, there is the stupid and idiotic assumption that Chinese members must be paid to love and defend their country. The Indian repertoire here is rather limited. You really need new, more creative stuff or just stay on topic.

ho ho ho. Your counter parts in peoples republic of china insult islam at home, yet make friendship with paki. Now that is creative.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 18:15

wong wrote:64% Taiwanese favor status quo. I'm hardly the minority.

Which means they see themselves as Taiwanese so yes you are a minority. I am not saying this the poll conducted by your people say so.

wong wrote:What Indians don't understand is Taiwan and China like each other much better than Kashmiri and Indians.

If this was true then you should have unified by now but since that hasn't happened so it only shows that you are lying. Well what else a minority view holder can do in such a situation

wong wrote:Kashmir is basically one giant military base right now, etc.

From PRC's perspective same is Taiwan add to that American colony

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:18

wong wrote:
Sagar G wrote: But Taiwan and China currently are two different nations so why bring in Taiwan in this thread ??? Also you are not Chinese by definition but amazingly suck up to Chinese.

Actually, both sides recognize they are the same country. So does the UN, the USA and basically everybody else that matters. I am Chinese and proud of it. Who's definition ?? An Indian's definition?? I guess I need the British definition of what constitutes an Indian.

I'll make it simple for you. A Gujarati or whatever is still an Indian. A Taiwanese is still a Chinese. Get it?? Or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp??

Yet both sides maintains an army to 'kill' each other.

I will definitely hope taiwanese win the war.

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:21

wong wrote: Actually, that's not true either. People write all kinds of crap on wikipedia. Taiwan officially claims China too. Taiwan for 60 years has/had governors and representatives in exile for every single province in China (sort of like your Indian backed Dalai Lama in exile). In fact, China by law, cannot permit a Taiwanese declaration of independence and officially the USA doesn't support it (but if course it does).

Don't compare yourselves with People's republic of china. Taiwan is a democracy, Bloody China is autocratic.

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:24

wong wrote: I'm don't. And I'm Taiwanese. Your country has an active insurgency. Not China nor Taiwan. I'm sure I can find a Kashmiri or Naxalite who doesn't claim India as their country. Too difficult to grasp?? Lol.

But, you (tiwanese) are not as effective in killing muslims. See you have to learn a lot from your counterparts in people's republic of china.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 13 Dec 2012 18:27

Not sure if posted before, I apologize if it was, bit dated from Aug 2012
China's Evolution on Ballistic Missile Defense

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:27

wong wrote:^^^^

64% Taiwanese favor status quo. I'm hardly the minority. What Indians don't understand is Taiwan and China like each other much better than Kashmiri and Indians. Kashmir is basically one giant military base right now, etc.

Like 'locusts', You too have a nick name for mainlanders.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Dec 2012 18:29

When the going gets tough, dump your supposed nationality and identify yourself as Indonesian, Taiwanese etc. etc.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 13 Dec 2012 18:29

On a more 'serious' note, here's a video of the J 10 maneuvring that would put the Rafale to shame!

kish · Post by **kish** » 13 Dec 2012 18:33

^^^ Thats a paki 'trait', recently some chinese are using it.

If there is a 'baloch' massacre happening in paki'satan, An paki ba$tard will claim that he is a 'baloch' and will say balochis are living peacefully in paki'satan.