Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Mar 2013 05:01

BJP swept up in Modi tide Generation shift unfolds

New Delhi, March 2: Ostensibly, the BJP national council had gathered this morning to ratify Rajnath Singh’s appointment as party president.

Instead, it became one more platform to unofficially acknowledge what now seems almost a formality: the anointment of Narendra Modi as shadow Prime Minister.

Rajnath himself led the charge, acknowledging Modi’s primacy among the assembled leaders right at the beginning of his acceptance speech at the Talkatora Stadium.

A standing ovation from the crowd, with many emphasising they had nothing to do with the BJP and had come only for Modi, underlined the point, as did the posters and CDs and the rave notices from party leaders.

“The best news we recently received was the Gujarat win,” Rajnath gushed. “It was historic for the BJP because for the first time, a chief minister of ours had pulled off a hat-trick. We were beside ourselves with joy when the results came out.”

He added: “But it would not be proper for me to welcome Modi with just words. I want to garland him and I want all of you to give him a standing ovation for a minute, because every worker present here wants to felicitate him.”

Rajnath then embraced Modi, who returned the gesture by greeting everyone seated in the front row of the dais.

One subplot of the leadership saga was reflected in Rajnath’s tribute-cum-political farewell to Advani. The veteran was gently told he would from now on offer the party “marg darshan (guidance)” whenever it finds itself in a crisis.

“At a time our esteemed Atalji is not active, under the guidance of respected Advaniji, (and by dint of) the hard work of our cadres and the strategies crafted by our popular and competent leaders, we will secure a victory,” Rajnath added as Advani looked a trifle bewildered at the thought of passing into the sunset.

Vijay Goel, the Delhi BJP president and the convention’s host, kicked off the Modi eulogies.

“Nobody in the country any longer thinks of Manmohan Singh as the Prime Minister,” he claimed. “Every child wants Modi as the Prime Minister. Nothing of this sort has ever happened before.”

“Modi PM, Modi PM,” the crowd chanted.

Rajnath had indicated yesterday that he would walk the extra mile at the convention to indulge the Gujarat chief minister. Sources said he had “promised” Modi he would ensure the gathering collectively applauded him.

Outside the stadium, clutches of youths who called themselves “Modi’s diwanes (fans)” held up posters proclaiming that if their hero had written history in Gujarat, he would rewrite India’s future.

Rocky Mittal from Kaithal in Haryana distributed a CD titled PM Banega Modi (Modi will be PM), whose cover showed the Gujarat chief minister’s face against the backdrop of the Red Fort and a national flag.

The eight songs in the CD were all written by Mittal, who comes from a family of Om Prakash Chautala voters.

“Make no mistake, I am with Modi and not the BJP. The day the party declares him as its PM candidate, I shall give up my work and be at his beck and call,” Mittal said.

Asked when the BJP might formally anoint Modi as its leader for the 2014 elections, a source said: “The strategy will unfold in phases. Today’s signals are loud and clear.”

At yesterday’s national executive, three senior leaders, C.P. Thakur and Ashwani Choubey of Bihar and former Uttarakhand chief minister Bhagat Singh Koshiyari{D4 hates this guy who built BJP in Uttarakhand brick by brick}, had told Rajnath he must send out an “unambiguous” message on the party’s intentions to elevate Modi — else, the delegates would “not keep quiet”.

Asked whether a third win for poll-bound Madhya Pradesh’s chief minister, Shivraj Singh Chauhan, might muddle the scene by throwing up a “competitor” for Modi, a source decided to “explain the matter in my own way”.

“Modi covers the entire range of rankings from one to 10,” he said. “Chauhan and Raman Singh (the Chhattisgarh chief minister) rank 11 and 12.”

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130303/j ... TKLdaL3D3U

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Mar 2013 05:58

Sushupti wrote: I was talking about colonial connection of the Dynasty. If i were in position of RSS/BJP leader position i would create non state actors with deniability and direct them (only verbal no physical attacks) towards Dynasty. Many in cow belt still sincerely believes Dynasty to be Brahmins.

Even a EX-RSS chief is dropped like a hot potato and left at the mercy of dynasty barking dogs.

Therefore, question is why RSS/BJP so helpless and defensive or may be some Chanikyan strategy ?.

sushuptiji,

This is exactly what is happening in Bharat now. Every voice that is raising against the Congress System in all it's forms is inspired by RSS directly or indirectly. This is the only organization that stayed nationalistic since independence and provided cultural nationalistic critical mass behind any nationalistic thought process.

The RSS/BJP combine cannot cross certain lines and cannot act like the goons of Congress System exactly for one reason and one reason only.

Any and every incident that hurts any indian and Indian interests hurts RSS/BJP because Bharat is their home and they cannot burn down their kitchen just because some rats are creating havoc there.

On the other hands the congress system can destroy our beloved nation because they strive on chaos and divisiveness. Look at the comments of that idiot Janardan Dwivedi. He is threatening to creat havoc in India as a response to an accusation of one political person on another political person.

"If someone gets agitated then who is responsible... everybody has a right to oppose such things... if Congressmen and people the country do something (untoward), they (RSS) will be responsible for it," Dwivedi said.

This is the very congress system that is giving excuses and protection to the elements that are blowing up people across Bharat.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Mar 2013 06:11

^^^ +1, RamaY garu.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Mar 2013 06:26

How many of us know this? (I didn't until I read it in Rajnath Singh's speech in Eenadu news paper)

The Jammu&Kashmir Legislative Assembly was initially composed of 100 members, later increased to 111 by the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir (Twentieth Amendment) Act of 1988.[1] Of these, 24 seats are designated for the territorial constituencies of the state that lies in Pakistan-administered Kashmir.[1][2][3] These seats remain officially vacant as per section 48 of the state constitution.[1][3] These seats are not taken into account for reckoning the total membership of the Assembly, especially for deciding quorum and voting majorities for legislation and government formation.[1][3] Hence, the total contestable and filled seats of the assembly are presently 87.The two women may be nominated as members by the Governor of Jammu and Kashmir if he or she is of the opinion that women are not adequately represented.[1]

Rajnath Singh said that the 24 seats reserved for PoK are not filled, and demanded that they must be filled by either the Bharatiyas who migrated from POK or Kashmiri Pundits who are displaced from the state.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Mar 2013 07:56

Until POK is liberated those 24 seats should be nominated seats filled by people who were refugees from those areas.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 Mar 2013 09:33

That is a sensible suggestion.It needs amendments to the constitution of J&K. Also we need to identify those people who were resident of POK areas which have not been delimited so far. But if implemented , it could have far reaching implications.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Mar 2013 09:48

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjp-w ... 46224.html

Modi spoke not one word at the meeting – that will be remedied on Sunday, when he addresses the council – but his was the name that virtually every leader invoked the most. And each such incantation of Modinama, with the tantalising suggestion of his imminent ascension as Prime Minister, drew thunderous ovation and spirited sloganeering from the party’s supporters.

Clearly, BJP leaders sense that in Modi, they have a mascot who can energise the party’s support base in a way that few others can. In fact, it appears that in this case, the senior party leadership has been under pressure from the cadres to embrace his candidacy more forcefully in the face of opposition from alliance partners like Nitish Kumar; the leaders are, in that sense, being ‘led’ by the followers.

And in coining the slogan ‘Sushasan sankalp, BJP vikalp‘, with its emphasis on good governance, the party is looking to ride on the coat-tails of Modi, whose record on that front in Gujarat over the past decade has been acknowledged by all but the most diehard opponents of Modi. In fact, so perverse have the arguments of these ‘deniers’ become that the case is now being made that Modi should be kept out of possible Prime Ministership even at the cost of suffering poor governance for the next few years!
the foreign agents have planted their agents who have corrupted a lot of intellectuals that the say worst is OK for India. They want India's destruction if the people in India want the foreign agents out.

Such visceral opposition to Modi, and such an unabashed alibi for poor governance, will only serve to fire up the BJP’s support base even further – and perhaps even persuade those at the centre who have no appetite for yet more of the UPA’s record of abysmal record of poor governance and monumental corruption of recent years.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Mar 2013 11:01

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/live- ... 46360.html

Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the only real PM India had, says Modi.by FP Staff 1:04 AM

Modi now refers to nuclear tests during Vajpayee's regime and world economic sanctions that were imposed after it.
He says, Vajpayee didn't fear the economic sanctions and went ahead with the second test two days after despite the sanctions. by FP Staff 1:03 AM

Modi invokes Lal Bahadur Shastri who coined the Jai Jawan, Jai Kisan slogan. Credits him for ensuring that India didn't have to import wheat.by FP Staff 1:01 AM

Finally we hear the phrase, good governance. by FP Staff 12:58 AM

What the Congress didn't do in MP in 45 years, the BJP has done in five years. Not just Gujarat, but BJP all over has stressed on good governance: Modiby FP Staff 12:57 AM

12:57 AMRajyasree @RajyasreeRahul G should poach Narendra Modi's speech writer. Immediately.

But after 2004, India has lost out its position. This is a major loss for our country. There is a question mark on the future of India: Modiby FP Staff 12:56 AM

When Vajpayee was PM, the whole world had accepted India as an upcoming super power: Modi

Says the roots of the party are corrupt. Calls it a termite in the life of the Indian people. BJP needs to get rid of this Congress 'deemakh'. The only way to do this is with the sweat and hardwork of BJP workers.

If Pranab da would have been successful, then what would have happened to the family. Pranab da was a man of the soil, he knew the problems of the people: Narendra Modiby FP Staff 12:50 AM

Whoever threatens the political future of the family, their political career comes to an end: Narendra Modiby FP Staff 12:49 AM

They then chose a PM where the family remains invisible. A nightwatchman. But they didnt know the night will be so long:

Narendra Modiby FP Staff 12:49 AM

Remember when Sitaram Kesri was appointed as President of Congress like a nighwatchman? Just so 'the family' can come back: Narendra Modiby FP Staff 12:48 AM

Man! He is kicking some rear end of ITALIAN scums

12:47 AMsb_on_demand @tweeted_nowModi doesn't distinguish between BJP leaders and BJP followers. All are Karyakartas! A positive notion!

Modi painting a broad picture. Attacking Congress's record since independence. Swaraj toh mila, Suraaj nahin ...

Congress has sacrificed the health of the nation for the welfare of one family. This is their tradition: Narendra Modi.by FP Staff 12:45 AM

For three decades there was only Congress, right from Parliament to Panchayats. There was no opposition. China, Korea, Israel were trying to improve their status. India failed to develop while other nations moved ahead: Narendra Modi.by FP Staff 12:44 AM

Modi takes on the UPA

Says the Central govt is unacceptable. Desh ko dubo diye, garib ke ghar mein chula nahi jal raha. (They have destroyed the nation, the poor have nothing to eat): Narendra Modi.by FP Staff 12:43 AM

The world world is focused on Gujarat's story: Narendra Modi.by FP Staff 12:41 AM

Modi dedicates the victory in Gujarat to all the workers of the BJP.by FP Staff 12:41 AM

Victory in Gujarat due to people's faith in BJP's politics. The victory is due to the leadership of all key BJP leaders. BJP's victory in Gujarat is also the victory of the people of Gujarat: Narendra Modiby FP Staff 12:40 AM

Victory in Gujarat doesn't belong to one person. This victory belongs to the united strategy of BJP: Modiby FP Staff 12:39 AM

Modi refers to self in third-person, refers to yesterday's standing ovation. Sounds overcome with emotion. Says he has no words to thank the people.by FP Staff 12:38 AM

Modi begins speech at BJP National Council Meet. The audience is cheering for him. He opens with Bharat Mata ki jai. Thunderous applause and response from the Council.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 03 Mar 2013 11:09

Modi speech telecast live. Watching in thanthi tv. Not understanding eveything due to average hindi, but i can see it is good.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Mar 2013 11:21

http://m.timesofindia.com/business/indi ... 772325.cms

ndia is heading straight for economic failure post-Chidambaram's budget as a direct result of the lack of meaningful economic reform, says Heritage Foundation, an important conservative thinktank in the US. Assessing finance minister, P Chidambaram's budget, Derek Scissors of the Washington-based organization said that it "leaves India on the same, failing course it's been on of undisciplined spending and unrealistic expectations".

The Indian economy is in dire health, he said, not only because Indians' incomes have stagnated, income growth slowed and consumer inflation is high, but because manufacturing that should lead the Indian economy that would create jobs for the swelling ranks of young Indians is refusing to take off.

"Services lead in large part because the labour market is more flexible in services industries than in manufacturing. Rather than labour market reform, the Indian government offers a state-led infrastructure program. But the infrastructure program has no chance to succeed while property rights to land remain so ill-defined," he explained.

According to him, India is making the same mistake as the US like substituting spending since reform is politically difficult. "The proposal for this year is a triumph of hope over courage: Spending is to increase by 17%, yet the deficit is to fall to 4.8% of GDP. This won't happen. Spending will have to be curbed or the deficit will balloon again," he said.

The high growth between 2004 and 2007 was largely due to the reforms of the years before. "Without a sustained reform process, which will take considerable time, India will not return to the days of fast growth. Government revenue and GDP will continue to disappoint, deficits will continue to be high, and consumers will continue to suffer. This is the path India remains on," he added.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Mar 2013 11:42

WoW. What a speech. The campaign for 2014 started. Mission Vs commission is the new mission statement. This is not India shining or about anti-Terror. A mission for Good Governance Vs Commissions. Beautiful.

NaMo Namaha. Excellent speech folks. He ripped the dynasty. He used great phrases that middleclass can understand. Sitaram kesri was a night watchmen. MMS is longest serving Nightwatchman. He made two tangential statements:
(1) if it was Pranab Da India would not be this miserable
(2) Nuke test references about doing the second test within two days after the first test.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 03 Mar 2013 11:53

Fantastic speech....

First time in India we are seeing the hallmark of a true leader...and all those ridiculous epithets of "Hitler", "Fascist", "dictatorial" will die a quick death after this speech - given that the 'team spirit' in his leadership style was very evident. He was praising the entire NDA set of CMs, Rajnath Singh and others sky-high.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Mar 2013 11:56

^^Yeah yeah, but as long as NM doesn't sweep South TN, Kerala and Nagaland, he's not a national leader, really...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Mar 2013 12:05

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Yeah yeah, but as long as NM doesn't sweep South TN, Kerala and Nagaland, he's not a national leader, really...

Don't forget malnutrition in Gujarat!!!

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 03 Mar 2013 12:06

Is it there On youtube yet?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 03 Mar 2013 12:08

Personally, I am VERY glad Modi has made the Parivar, in other words the Dynasty or 'The Family' as central to what he is standing up against. Validates a key premise of this thread.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 03 Mar 2013 12:10

Atri wrote:Is it there On youtube yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... U5VX4nvmlw

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Mar 2013 14:04

^^^Great speech. Overtly but not overly political.

The man knows how to tailor speeches to the audience. Unlike at SRCC, this wasn't an audience of nominally apolitical youth but one of committed party workers and activists and leaders.

And tomorrow, if he were to address the rural voter in say UP or WB or the urbane voter in South TN, I'm sure he can do it peacefully.

Meanwhile rumor is UPA is considering banning anti-termite sprays after this speech.

P.S.

NM tears the NAC apart - calls them disconnected from the land, 5 star activists out to massage own egos than to work for the country.

He praises Pranabda. Hints that prez has no reason to be beholden to the INC. Hint is towards the post-poll fairness from the prez perhaps?

The attacks on dynasty are sunning in clarity, purpose, poignance, emphasis, the plain weight of truth in them...too much, nay three much only.

Emphasizes people's participation, sense of ownership of polity "jan bhaagidari" which the INC has tried to demolish.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 Mar 2013 14:33

Arjun wrote:Personally, I am VERY glad Modi has made the Parivar, in other words the Dynasty or 'The Family' as central to what he is standing up against. Validates a key premise of this thread.

This is what I have been wanting to say for some time. The family seems to be protected from any criticism whatsoever in the last years . Someone jumps in and takes the bullet for them. When NM cuts across the noise and starts to poke at the family, there is going to be a lot of discomfort. Expect something from the dark side.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Mar 2013 17:24

RamaY wrote:How many of us know this? (I didn't until I read it in Rajnath Singh's speech in Eenadu news paper)

The Jammu&Kashmir Legislative Assembly was initially composed of 100 members, later increased to 111 by the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir (Twentieth Amendment) Act of 1988.[1] Of these, 24 seats are designated for the territorial constituencies of the state that lies in Pakistan-administered Kashmir.[1][2][3] These seats remain officially vacant as per section 48 of the state constitution.[1][3] These seats are not taken into account for reckoning the total membership of the Assembly, especially for deciding quorum and voting majorities for legislation and government formation.[1][3] Hence, the total contestable and filled seats of the assembly are presently 87.The two women may be nominated as members by the Governor of Jammu and Kashmir if he or she is of the opinion that women are not adequately represented.[1]
Rajnath Singh said that the 24 seats reserved for PoK are not filled, and demanded that they must be filled by either the Bharatiyas who migrated from POK or Kashmiri Pundits who are displaced from the state.

I actually wrote some posts on a solution based on this. [1] [2] [3] [4].

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 03 Mar 2013 17:45

Modi ne Phod diya.
(he has cracked it)

And oh -- if Sushupti ji cares about BJP, then I am Dalai Lama's reincarnation, one of his parallel Tuluku's. Sushpti ji is to BJP was Shalya was to ....

schowdhuri · Post by **schowdhuri** » 03 Mar 2013 17:58

VikramS wrote:
Atri wrote:Is it there On youtube yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... U5VX4nvmlw

try this one - clear audio, unlike many of the other videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMOJLGLUzbQ

You will get the other speeches also here, not sure if I am imagining thibgs, but the tone of the speeches seem very different, very focussed on development, with facts & figures. The one by Arun Jaitley is pretty scary.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 03 Mar 2013 18:11

Be careful of putting all eggs in one basket.

Let congis first decide who their PM candidate is for 2014.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Mar 2013 18:47

chaanakya wrote:Be careful of putting all eggs in one basket.

Let congis first decide who their PM candidate is for 2014.

Whether putting everything in same basket or have hidden alternatives, the time has come to tell to the world we have a basket and that has a thousand 24 carat golden eggs. I believe that is what BJP is currently doing.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Mar 2013 18:54

Neela wrote:
Arjun wrote:Personally, I am VERY glad Modi has made the Parivar, in other words the Dynasty or 'The Family' as central to what he is standing up against. Validates a key premise of this thread.
This is what I have been wanting to say for some time. The family seems to be protected from any criticism whatsoever in the last years . Someone jumps in and takes the bullet for them. When NM cuts across the noise and starts to poke at the family, there is going to be a lot of discomfort. Expect something from the dark side.

The difference is this time, it is the dynasty that is attacked and not the person MMS. In fact, I don't know who is strategizing for Modi or whoever is writing the speeches. They are doing extremely great job so far. Even while criticizing MMS, he wanted to make it as not personal attack and hence he brought the concept of cricket's nightwatchman and first named late Sitaram Kesri as nightwatchman before calling MMS is the longest serving nightwatchman. In addition, to add more salt to the wound, he said things would not have been this bad if Pranab Da is PM. Then he brings in that dynasty does not want a good performers. All this he tells in simple language that we regularly talk and not something that is spoken in few pandits' families or couple of districts of India.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 03 Mar 2013 19:07

Insider news, Modi writes his own speech!!

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 03 Mar 2013 19:27

fanne wrote:Insider news, Modi writes his own speech!!

often times he does not even write speeches .. He speaks extemporizes...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Mar 2013 19:28

Narendra Modi is snake, scorpion, dirty man:Congress

Reactingto Narendra Modi’s speech in BJP national council, Congress leader Manishankar Aiyar who lost Lok Sabha polls in 2009 but was nominated to Rajya Sabha today said that Narendra Modi is snake and scorpion. He also termed Narendra Modi as gandaa aadmi(dirty man). He said Modi represents a party that has agenda of killing the Muslims and minority.

In his reaction to Modi’s speech Congress leader Rajiv Shukla said that Modi used abusive language against individuals. He raised a question that why Modi was supporting Sangma in President’s election if he had so much honor for Pranab Mukherjee? Shukla said Modi was not speaking like a national leader.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/03/03/naren ... ncongress/

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Mar 2013 19:34

BRF was right about Pranab Mukherjee. The family simply doesn't trust this fellow. The bugging incident solidified this notion.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 03 Mar 2013 19:39

Sushupti wrote:
Narendra Modi is snake, scorpion, dirty man:Congress

That's the family servant Aiyyar reacting to the words on Dynasty - its obviously caused deep mental trauma and agony to her majesty's very loyal buffoon.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Mar 2013 19:43

Well! The message has to be pounded in and out of the heads of every Indian. The DIEnasty wanted to destroy economy so that others don't get credit. Modi has done that so well without calling them names. I am doing my job madam! Just my job! I have to tell them that you are putting your dienasty in front of the country and we have to tell it to people again and again.

People are putting the message across

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/anoth ... /1082244/0

He tried. Our poor old Finance Minister tried with his Budget to pull off an old-fashioned Indian rope trick and create the illusion that India was open for business again and that boom times were around the corner once more. He failed to convince anyone except those who like to believe in illusions. And I who have known Mr Chidambaram from the days when he understood deeply the need for reforming our stagnant 'socialist' economy felt bad for him.

If Mr Chidambaram read The Times of India 10 days before he presented his Budget, he would have seen on its front page a report that said that if there could be a 5 per cent cut in the Rs 1.15 lakh crore that the government of India spends on the salaries and perks of its 34.1 lakh staff, there could be a saving of Rs 6,000 crore, "five times the Centre's budgeted wealth tax collection".
The sad truth is that even if Mr Chidambaram had wanted to do such things, he could not have because his boss, Sonia Gandhi, believes that the only way the Congress party can win in 2014 is by distributing largesse to the 'aam aadmi', even if it bankrupts the economy. So the Budget made a provision for her food security Bill, which when it becomes law will distribute cheap grain to more than 70 per cent of the population. Judging by the scale of pilferage and corruption that other schemes of this kind has fostered, Sonia's new idea will not work, but it may delude some voters into voting for Lady Bountiful.

My other problem with Sonia Gandhi's largesse is that it has, ever since MNREGA began, made the glorification of poverty fashionable again. So in rural India, where the economic boom inspired even the poorest people to want real improvement in their lives and instilled in them an aspiration to one day being prosperous, they again want to be counted among the poor to benefit from government dole and cheap grain. So we are back to being the nation of beggars that we became as a consequence of Nehruvian socialism. -

If the hundreds of thousands of crore rupees poured into subsidies and poverty alleviation schemes had been used instead to build roads, schools and hospitals, it is my conviction that we would today have been on the verge of becoming a developed country. What is the point of bemoaning this, now that it is all over and there is not the smallest hope that anything will change before the next general election.

Even if the Finance Minister had been able to change course, it may not have made a difference. Sonia Gandhi's economic legacy is that she has taken a booming economy and ground it down to the socialist growth rates that were the hallmark of her mother-in-law's economic policies. It is now only a matter of time before Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and perhaps even Pakistan streak ahead of us as we wallow once more in poverty and regain our former reputation as a nation of starving millions.

But what about the maal-nootrition in errrrrr... Gujar...

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 03 Mar 2013 19:47

Congress just got jabbed in the stomach. They wont survive for long. Hindus have to go for the kill by voting for nationalist parties in this coming election. My entire family back in India that never votes will actually do so this time.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Mar 2013 20:12

Another 6 months of such drift and chances are even the babucracy will stop doing the dynasty's bidding - they'll instead hedge, and play a waiting game as the polls would be way too close by then.

The day that happens, the CBI + ED + NIA threat hanging over Cong clones like th SP/BSP/NCP/YSRCP etc will lighten considerably. Even the paid media, spook agencies and EVM magicians may have second thoughts at that stage... who knows...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Mar 2013 20:23

Someone posted some tea leaves about AP.

This is my gut feel for 2014 elections in AP where the state and national elections are held together.

Looks like INC is going to go under united AP campaign and strategy. They are trying to consolidate the United AP supporters in Andhra which has 25 Seats + 3 in hyderabad. There will be overt or covert alliance with YSRCP and MIM. They must have given up on T-state and will try to undo TRS using corruption charges on KCR family in Telangana.

The second strategy is to announce T-State and merge TRS into InC and give KCR the package he wanted. Also release YSJ and make him the CM candidate in Andhra.

In either case Congress is hoping to get 20-30 seats from AP in 2014.

The only way TDP can fight this coalition of corruption is by making a overt/covert alliance with BJP like they did in 1999. There are no permanent enemies and untouchables in politics. Given the fact that NM is elected thrice and the whole NBPJM of congress system couldn't get a verdict against NM; TDP should be able to sell their alliance with BJP to its supporters.

Ofcourse the Muslim MiM, Christian YSRCP and secular INc will try to call BJp a communal party. But it's support base is already has been sensitized with this churning in past 10 years.

The only question is what KCR wants. Will he go with INC and become a CM or will he join nationalist coalition? This will tell us more about the origins of T-Agitation itself.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 03 Mar 2013 20:42

edited...

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 03 Mar 2013 20:43

We really need a thread dedicated to the 2014 General Election. A list of each MP, from each district, in each state must be collected and compiled to see where things are headed. The following is a good list to start with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me ... y_state%29

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Mar 2013 20:55

devesh wrote:

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Mar 2013 20:56

RamaY wrote:Someone posted some tea leaves about AP.

This is my gut feel for 2014 elections in AP where the state and national elections are held together.

Looks like INC is going to go under united AP campaign and strategy. They are trying to consolidate the United AP supporters in Andhra which has 25 Seats + 3 in hyderabad. There will be overt or covert alliance with YSRCP and MIM. They must have given up on T-state and will try to undo TRS using corruption charges on KCR family in Telangana.

The second strategy is to announce T-State and merge TRS into InC and give KCR the package he wanted. Also release YSJ and make him the CM candidate in Andhra.

In either case Congress is hoping to get 20-30 seats from AP in 2014.

The only way TDP can fight this coalition of corruption is by making a overt/covert alliance with BJP like they did in 1999. There are no permanent enemies and untouchables in politics. Given the fact that NM is elected thrice and the whole NBPJM of congress system couldn't get a verdict against NM; TDP should be able to sell their alliance with BJP to its supporters.

Ofcourse the Muslim MiM, Christian YSRCP and secular INc will try to call BJp a communal party. But it's support base is already has been sensitized with this churning in past 10 years.

The only question is what KCR wants. Will he go with INC and become a CM or will he join nationalist coalition? This will tell us more about the origins of T-Agitation itself.

If whatever was written above is correct then Congress will just lose the election. No chance at all. TDP does not need to go with BJP (in fact should not as a strategy).

We missed(overlooked) one important statement from Modi. Defeating Congress is Desh bakth ki kaam. In that pursuit, it is important for BJP to not put a single candidate in AP, TN, Kerala also. The BJP strategy should imagine a situation of even Left's victory is better than congress victory. Left is an enemy but they are not part of the Congress system. This election is about destroying the system and hence there is only one enemy.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 03 Mar 2013 21:27

Muppalla wrote:The BJP strategy should imagine a situation of even Left's victory is better than congress victory. Left is an enemy but they are not part of the Congress system.

Left has supported con against BJP at each and every level possible so I don't see how supporting left is going to help BJP and BJP's long term goal must look towards strengthening itself in the southern states on it's own.

Let's be very clear that Left is an enemy of the Indian state.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Mar 2013 21:39

Left, Maya, Mullahyum, DMK, Even to some extent even CBN (not TDP) behaved like congress B teams.

As long as they support secularism and p-secularism so they can get few thousand votes, they are not trust worthy and must be treated same as congress system.