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Sanku wrote:
Pranav wrote:
As far as UPA is concerned there is zero ambiguity about who is in charge. Maino cracks the whip and the Congies dance at her command.
PMship is very different, for BJP yous can say RSS is in charge, so sorry your logic does not cut.
Manmohan really has no power to decide anything. Maino chooses the cabinet and issues her commands to the ministers through Ahmed Patel. She micro-manages everything from coal blocks to spectrum to defense kickbacks to CWG contracts.

In exchange for 100% loyalty, servants like Salman Khurshid are permitted to steal from the handicapped for their pocket money requirements.
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Pranav wrote:
Sanku wrote: Why isnt anyone keep to figure out who will lead UPA or what will be UPAs shape? They are in worse form!! But no one seems to care?
As far as UPA is concerned there is zero ambiguity about who is in charge. Maino cracks the whip and the Congies dance at her command.
That and besides one has to actually campaign after declaring a candidate. As Meenakshi Lekhi said these guys are busy protecting their sases trying to plug holes to establish deniability.
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Maybe its the 'Mumbai spirit' which forgives the oppressors.
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In places like Mumbai Pune there are lots of vote-banks i.e. localities which are tied-in tightly to certain political parties. These vote-banks are bound to vote for the same option regardless of governance/omission/commission. A case in point is Pune, where Kalmadi always won no matter what. A city with a high concentration of RSS-leaning individuals cannot ensure murderers to not win elections. NM once said in his speech, that today if Shivaji Maharaj stands for election in Maharashtra, there is no guarantee that he will win.

PS: Vote-banks I do not mean only minority religion based ones, there are slums, illegal settlements, other such groups.

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prahaar wrote:A city with a high concentration of RSS-leaning individuals cannot ensure murderers do not win elections.
they are divided. in too many streams.
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Con party out with a new ad playing off on amar Akbar Antony blah blah.
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He He, Mahatma NaMo will ensure it will meet the fate of RaOne
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Mahendra wrote:He He, Mahatma NaMo will ensure it will meet the fate of RaOne
:rotfl:
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@rahulkanwal: Man most unhappy with today's Opinion Poll, undoubtedly, Nitish Kumar. Best laid plans to block @narendramodi coming apart if numbers hold.
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Muppala garu,

Pls read today's Eenadu paper, page 6.
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Modi meets Vajpayee, Advani with an eye on LS polls
Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who is being projected by a section within the BJP as the party's prime ministerial candidate for the next Lok Sabha polls, today met a host of top leaders including Atal Behari Vajpayee and L K Advani.

Here to attend the BJP Parliamentary Board meeting, Modi utilised the opportunity to spend the entire day with the top leaders whose support he would require at the time the party decides on its Prime Ministerial candidate.

Today's meetings assume significance as Modi is reportedly pushing the party hard to declare him as BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate ahead of the general elections.

Modi has asked top party leaders to "effectively use the failures of the UPA government" and also project the successes of the BJP-led governments in various states and achievements during the previous NDA regime, party sources said.

He also called for making optimum use of media, including social media, to put forth the party's views before the public in an aggressive way, they said.

This was the first time that Modi attended the BJP Parliamentary Board, the top decision-making body of the party, after he was nominated as its member by party president Rajnath Singh recently.

Modi met former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee at his residence and sought his blessings. Vajpayee is indisposed for sometime now.

Soon after his arrival in Delhi, the Gujarat Chief Minister headed straight to Advani's residence and spent some 40 minutes with him and later termed the meeting as "wonderful".

"In Delhi today. Had a wonderful meeting with Advaniji on arrival at Delhi," Modi said on Twitter after meeting Advani.

He then headed towards former BJP President Nitin Gadkari's residence and spent about an hour with him. Gadkari is considered close to the RSS and his support is crucial to Modi.
While these meetings were scheduled before BJP Parliamentary Board meetings, he met party president Rajnath Singh soon after the meeting and had lunch with him.

The Gujarat Chief Minister also spent almost two hours with BJP's General Secretary (Organisation) Ram Lal, who is also considered close to the RSS.

Modi discussed internal party affairs with Ram Lal, as also the party's strategy for the forthcoming 'Jail bharo' agitation from May 27 to June 2 against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh over the coal block issue, the sources said
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RamaY wrote:Muppala garu,

Pls read today's Eenadu paper, page 6.
http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.asp ... anel&no=11

Is that what you are taking about?
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God save BJP from these loose canons.
OTV ‏@otvnews 11h

BJP #Odisha in-charge Chandan Mitra: BJD is our biggest enemy in the state
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Changing dynamics of UP and the Hurricane from the West




With one year to go for 2014 General elections, the political situation is still fluid, although straws in the wind suggest some remarkable consolidation of views on some key issues. If one thing that is fairly conclusive to any serious UP watcher, it’s the seething anger against the Central government. The huge unpopularity of Central government has rubbed onto the fortunes of Congress. Coupled with anti Congress mood the miserable performance of several sitting Congress MPs could well ring death bell for Congress in 2014.

Rahul Gandhi who campaigned aggressively in 2012 hoping to reap dividends by posing as the angry young man needled by the inefficiencies of the system seems to have given up on UP preferring to enjoy the comforts of Delhi rather than slug it out in the dusty lanes of rural hinterland. The severe anti incumbency against Central government could see Congress ending up a poor third in constituencies like Moradabad, Keri, Farukkabad, Maharajganj which it won in 2009. Indeed the talk in political circles and on ground is that it could be tough ride for Rahul Gandhi in Amethi where there is a great deal of voter discontent. The party was washed out in the key bastions of Amethi, Sultanpur and Rae Bareilly in 2012 Assembly elections

Samajwadi Party government, contrary to reports in Delhi media, continues to enjoy the honeymoon period and has largely held onto the Muslim-Yadav consolidation. Indeed if any lack of choices given the seething unpopularity of Congress has driven larger sections of Muslims into the firmer embrace of SP.

Brahmins, who have emerged the key swing group in UP, gravitated towards SP thus firming up their recently earned reputation of siding with the party in power. BSP which is licking its wounds after its disastrous performance in 2012 has lost further ground among upper castes, MBC’s and sections of Dalit Muslims.

It is in this scenario that an interesting realignment is taking place which has the potential to change the political landscape. The virtual domination by the money and muscled Yadavs and Mulsims in Akhilesh’s reign has managed to rub sections of non Yadav OBC’s on the wrong side. Thakurs smarting under their perceived negligence and sidelining post the Raja Bhaiyya fiasco are looking towards BJP as an option. Indeed the most remarkable aspect today is the sheer popularity of Gujarat strong man Narendra Modi. He has managed to morph into larger than life figure across the state and is voluminously talked and held in aw in urban and semi-urban parts from Lucknow to Allahabad. The readiness of OBC and non Brahmin upper caste sections to embrace Modi has not been lost on either the opposition parties or the BJP cadre. Indeed it would be understatement to say that Modi is a factor for he seems to be a phenomenon. Voters across the state are enamored of Modi and his development tales in a state which has been starved of developmental activity.

Indeed there are fears among no BJP parties of the dent he is likely to cause among their base should he campaign in the state. A SP leader, who this author talked to while on a visit to Maharajganj, said only factor which could stall SP march in Poorvanchal is the Modi factor. Indeed the assessment across the board while traversing Poorvanchal was that Modi card could significantly alter the dynamics of the region and has the potential to even push BJP ahead in the race.

This overriding public sentiment seems to have been not lost by the BJP President Rajnath Singh who has deftly appointed Modi’s acolyte Amit Shah as in charge of UP. What’s interesting is that while other appointments didn’t even raise a whimper Shah’s appointment managed to raise eye brows across the political circles showing the extent of Modi factor at work.

BJP Delhi leadership should read the public mood and give the baton charge to Modi if it has to have any realistic chances of touching 30 seats in 2014. Should Modi’s PM candidacy be formalized 2014 could well turn out to be a no holds barred battle between Mulayam dreaming of ruling Delhi with the help of Third Front and the Hurricane from the West who has the potential to overturn the existing political order in badlands of UP.

http://centreright.in/2013/05/changing- ... ZwnURWZi1E
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Sushupti wrote:God save BJP from these loose canons.
OTV ‏@otvnews 11h

BJP #Odisha in-charge Chandan Mitra: BJD is our biggest enemy in the state
Same loose canon who wrote that bjp lost in 2009 becos arun shourie praised modi
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Muppalla wrote:
RamaY wrote:Muppala garu,

Pls read today's Eenadu paper, page 6.
http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.asp ... anel&no=11

Is that what you are taking about?
Yes sir. If combined with non-TDP Kamma lobby it can give purposeful results.
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Sushupti wrote:God save BJP from these loose canons.
OTV ‏@otvnews 11h

BJP #Odisha in-charge Chandan Mitra: BJD is our biggest enemy in the state
Try to be chanikyan :mrgreen:

They are giving voters hints ;)
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The mood of the nation: New poll predicts downfall for UPA and shows the BJP's hopes of victory rest squarely on the leadership of Narendra Modi - Dailymail.co.ku
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The UPA's loss, however, will not translate to big gains for the NDA if Modi is not named leader. The real winner in this war between two big alliances seems to be an alternative front of regional parties, which command strong presence in states.

This amalgamation stands to get 232 seats, a gain of 68, if the Modi factor is not in play. In the Modi-as-NDA-leader scenario, however, the alternative front stands to lose 64 seats and come down to 168.
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Yesterday dynasty poodle Vinod Mehta dropped hints regarding mafia's next moves for Modi. He said Modi has so many court cases pending against him and their outcome could affect his electoral prospects in the coming 12 months. Truly mafia!
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Three polls with just one message: No alternative to Modi
The polls – one by AC Nielsen for ABP News, another by C-Voter for Headlines Today, and a third by GFK for CNN-IBN – clearly indicate that the Congress is slipping, and slipping badly, in urban India, and possibly all over the country too. It is likely to crash to one of its worst defeats in history. The message: it is best to soldier on till 2014, since early elections means crushing defeat.
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anchal wrote:Yesterday dynasty poodle Vinod Mehta dropped hints regarding mafia's next moves for Modi. He said Modi has so many court cases pending against him and their outcome could affect his electoral prospects in the coming 12 months. Truly mafia!
The most worrying thing is the collaboration of judges in this mafia game of Congress. Many judgements are too convenient for Congress.
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^^^ I was about to post that. Some bits I found interesting
Modi’s semi-polarising nature tends to have two kinds of impact: one helps the BJP, and another helps its strongest local rival – due to tactical voting by Muslims.

The big impact is in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, where the Modi bandwagon raises the BJP seat share from 10 in 2009 to 29 even while whittling down the BSP and Congress. The Samajwadi Party, which expects a consolidation of the Muslim vote, also gains, with its seats rising from 23 in 2009 to 30.
I am slowly coming around to the view that BJP may not have a choice but to go with Modi in the current elections. To be honest, I am not convinced yet, and still think a soft projection may be what is needed, however these are precisely the sort of numbers that I said we should look for and if they form, make a decision based on them, and they seem to be quite clear.

A little more work, and I dont think creating consensus with BJP/NDA would be a issue.
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To add to the above, I also think that as part of Congress game plan Modi MAY BE blocked from taking PM candidate position (court cases, attacks, riots etc) -- in that case we are looking for a two year third front backed by congress type situation.

I think Atri-ji's wish is going to come true (that is not what I WANT, but what LOOKS LIKE happening now)
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Sanku wrote:To add to the above, I also think that as part of Congress game plan Modi MAY BE blocked from taking PM candidate position (court cases, attacks, riots etc) -- in that case we are looking for a two year third front backed by congress type situation.

I think Atri-ji's wish is going to come true (that is not what I WANT, but what LOOKS LIKE happening now)
Agree, especially about Atri mahashay's predictions.

But, if by legal means Modi is blocked, then there will be little chance of third front or 2-3 year third front government. The people will lose their interest. It is unlikely that blocking of Modi will transfer the vote to the BJP. It will be UPA 3 for full five years. The only solace apart from Atri's prediction of "past tense, present disaster, future bright", will be that Sri Khujliwal will probably be out of bijness until next time.

Added later: The BJP's vote and seats will go down because in states where it will be in direct fight with INC, in absence of Modi, the voters will simply re-elect the existing system ( this is not a comment on the voters, just an inference).
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^^^ That is one of the chief reasons, why I DONT want NaMo as either the PM candidate or PM in near term, what I want is NaMo there, but not there. Plausible deniablity, but with all the advantages.

Unfortunately no one gets me :((
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Firstly, legal analysis of the cases involved seems to indicate that the charges are highly flimsy and not likely to hold water.

Secondly, even if the cases move forward to some indictment (which would of course be subject to appeal etc) - it would be very obvious to voters that the case is a motivated judicial attack on Modi. In which case, don't you think there could be strong chance of a bigger sympathy wave in favour of somebody who is being wronged ?
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Sanku wrote:^^^ That is one of the chief reasons, why I DONT want NaMo as either the PM candidate or PM in near term, what I want is NaMo there, but not there. Plausible deniablity, but with all the advantages.

Unfortunately no one gets me :((
That would be the ideal situation for the Advani coterie - use NaMo to harvest votes and fool people, but maintain the strangle-hold on the party High Command.
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Sushupti wrote:God save BJP from these loose canons.
OTV ‏@otvnews 11h

BJP #Odisha in-charge Chandan Mitra: BJD is our biggest enemy in the state
I think he is doing the right thing!

In fact everywhere BJP should concentrate their rhetoric against the main regional party in the state. Of course there will also be rhetoric directed at Congress but mostly at the Dynasty.

What this focus on regional party does is is that it pushes Congress out! The anti-incumbency against the state government by the regional party works in favor of BJP. Also the polarization of Muslim votes means that the Muslims side with the regional party rather than the Congress. Also I would favor that the regional party at the time of elections does try to pull in Muslim votes and act "secular".

What BJP should try is to create a duopoly between itself and a regional party in every state of India.

This way BJP can try to create its own favorite opposition in each state:

In Odisha: BJD
In Uttar Pradesh: SP
In Bihar: RJD
In Maharashtra: NCP

After 2014, BJP can move to other states

In Kerala: the Communists
In West Bengal: Trinamool Congress

Of course first BJP can allow the regional party to destroy Congress, and then move in as the second alternative.
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Arjun wrote:Firstly, legal analysis of the cases involved seems to indicate that the charges are highly flimsy and not likely to hold water.

Secondly, even if the cases move forward to some indictment (which would of course be subject to appeal etc) - it would be very obvious to voters that the case is a motivated judicial attack on Modi. In which case, don't you think there could be strong chance of a bigger sympathy wave in favour of somebody who is being wronged ?
Ahh but the only chance left for maino mafia is this - to stop Modi. Modi is not going to do a Vajapayee or Advani from 1999-2003. He will get prosecutions against maino mafia where ever there is a need to do that. He does not need to be a PM to do that but he certainly needs to be at the centre. The way things are playing out is people want no one but Modi. I do not know how it will finally come to a fruition.
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Honestly, quite hard to believe that in 9 yrs of UPA, the dastardly C-system couldn't fix a single case against Modi. What gives I wonder?

Maybe they were complacent during UPA-1 thinking him as a passing fad, a regional satrap etc. But in UPA-23 also they didn't try to outright "buy" a favorable judgment in even 1 Modi case? Possible but unlikely. Maybe they tried but all state institutions haven't yet come under C-system co-option yet. Whop knows what the next judicial appointment holds?
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There have been many judgements convenient to Congress and hostile to Modi pronounced by judges one day before their retirement. Please google.
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Arjun wrote:Firstly, legal analysis of the cases involved seems to indicate that the charges are highly flimsy and not likely to hold water.

Secondly, even if the cases move forward to some indictment (which would of course be subject to appeal etc) - it would be very obvious to voters that the case is a motivated judicial attack on Modi. In which case, don't you think there could be strong chance of a bigger sympathy wave in favour of somebody who is being wronged ?
I pointed out three methods of potentially harming, these include assassination/accident, triggering of scale riots (like Church attacks in So Ka) and legal cases. The charge of riots, is something that can stick to Modi, given that there is already ground prepared to suspect him in general populace. It will also bog him down in Gujarat fire fighting.

Apart from the above, there could be other methods, some of which we see already, such as targeting of Amith Shah, Varun Gandhi and Kataria for trumped up cases. Similar low level, low intensity but large volume and sustained attacks on mid level functionaries in another tactic.

And of course there is a long list of other potential attacks.

These attacks depend on how much of exposure that NaMo will be given, because of course attacking prematurely will be wasted efforts, plus more countering is possible. Also some of these will only be for NaMo, since he is a little more exposed, thanks to the persistent efforts by INC over last years.
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Pranav wrote:
Sanku wrote:^^^ That is one of the chief reasons, why I DONT want NaMo as either the PM candidate or PM in near term, what I want is NaMo there, but not there. Plausible deniablity, but with all the advantages.

Unfortunately no one gets me :((
That would be the ideal situation for the Advani coterie - use NaMo to harvest votes and fool people, but maintain the strangle-hold on the party High Command.
This is AAP level talk, better to not take seriously.
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Sanku wrote:^^^ That is one of the chief reasons, why I DONT want NaMo as either the PM candidate or PM in near term, what I want is NaMo there, but not there. Plausible deniablity, but with all the advantages.

Unfortunately no one gets me :((
If they have proof they will put him behind bars whether he is declared or not. They have tried for 9 yrs.
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Modi calls the shots at BJP parliamentary board meeting

Amid continuing efforts to scupper the chances of his being projected as BJP's PM candidate, Gujarat CM Narendra Modi on Tuesday made a powerful start to his new innings as a member of the party's parliamentary board, exhorting his colleagues to aggressively take on Congress.

Modi, who was attending the first meeting of the parliamentary board after being re-appointed to the top decision-making body in March, drove the agenda in the meeting as he argued for a full-scale assault on the UPA. According to sources, Modi said the BJP should expose UPA government's failures by nailing its claims and by contrasting those with the performance of BJP governments in states.

"We should show to people that the data and figures UPA government has cited as part of a pre-poll PR blitz are contrary to the reality," a senior source quoted Modi as saying at the meeting. The Gujarat CM also said the BJP should launch a campaign using social media to highlight scams under UPA as well as other unpopular features of its reign: price rise, policy paralysis, weak foreign policy and others. "It was a powerful performance, which looked all the more so because of L K Advani's silence," the source said.
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^ it is scarily surprising to see LKA's silence,that too in a party parliamentary board meeting.

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muraliravi wrote: If they have proof they will put him behind bars whether he is declared or not. They have tried for 9 yrs.
Its not only about putting behind bars. That part may not even be useful anymore.

Please do see other reasons.
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Modi met with Advani before the Parliamentary Board Meet. So there was either a meeting of minds or expectation of forthcoming conflict.

If it was a meeting of minds, then Advani would let Modi speak for him as well. If it was about forthcoming conflict, then Advani knows that this board meeting is not going to be deciding anything.

Advani knows that at his ripe age, he wouldn't be physically jumping into the rumble and tumble of politics. At the most if his lieutenants win the day for him, and ask him to be PM, he would oblige. He doesn't really have much he can do vs Modi. All he has is his Ashirwad. Either he can give it to Modi and endorse him or he can keep it and it would only give everybody a slightly off taste but wouldn't change anything.

Advani is actually in a slight dilemma. If he fights from his Gandhinagar LS Constituency, he is basically at the mercy of Modi. That really puts him out of any reckoning for PM. If Advani now switches to another constituency, say in Madhya Pradesh, then he is saying it out loud, that he is afraid to face his constituency, that he cannot even win his own constituency, and so he is running away to another BJP satrap. If he is running so scared, how is he going to manage to win in the Prime Minister stakes.
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Post by Sanku »

I do not think Advani is so foolish as to engineer a small time confrontation within BJP. That would be totally out of character anyway.

Nothing about the man has ever been power hungry politician. He has walked away from center-stage TWICE even during his prime due to considerations of image and sangh before self.

He continues only to provide framework and continuity and as backup rather than for personal reasons, he has more than once already said that he has moved much beyond posts and winning etc, and not just now.
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