Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Rajesh ji,
My expectation is similar to others in that Afghanistan will fracture as expected with the Taliban being dominant in the East and South with the rest of the country split between factions from the Northern Alliance in the North and Iranian backed groups in the West. The dollars and troops used by the U.S. - ISAF over the years have been unable to domesticate the Taliban.
After seeing what happened to Colonel Imam and Khalid Khawaja, I don't think that all of the Taliban - TTP groups can be consistently led in the same direction.
The Quetta Shura and Haqqani Network have been protected by the PA - ISI for many years and I don't think that any foreign agency will be able to break that relationship.
Since Afghanistan would be the weak partner in an alliance with India to turn the Taliban against Pakistan, what would India do different (that would work) from what has already been tried by operatives from other countries?
My expectation is similar to others in that Afghanistan will fracture as expected with the Taliban being dominant in the East and South with the rest of the country split between factions from the Northern Alliance in the North and Iranian backed groups in the West. The dollars and troops used by the U.S. - ISAF over the years have been unable to domesticate the Taliban.
After seeing what happened to Colonel Imam and Khalid Khawaja, I don't think that all of the Taliban - TTP groups can be consistently led in the same direction.
The Quetta Shura and Haqqani Network have been protected by the PA - ISI for many years and I don't think that any foreign agency will be able to break that relationship.
Since Afghanistan would be the weak partner in an alliance with India to turn the Taliban against Pakistan, what would India do different (that would work) from what has already been tried by operatives from other countries?
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The other countries, the Western countries, their interest was to protect their partners in Pakistan, the Pakistani Army, and hence they did not have clarity as to where the head of the snake was!Joseph wrote:Since Afghanistan would be the weak partner in an alliance with India to turn the Taliban against Pakistan, what would India do different (that would work) from what has already been tried by operatives from other countries?
We have perfect clarity!

We need to start Supari Plantations in AfPak region! [1] [2] [3] [4].
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HOw do you maintain the catalogue of your posts, Rajesh garu.. I want to adopt a system to organize whatever I write on this forum and elsewhere.. kindly reply on ekhat OR nukkad or elsewhere.. 

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
India has linked to Afghanistan in strategic partnership after more than 100 years or even longer. This is a historic and will take time to realise and also change the region for good.RajeshA wrote:Joseph wrote:Since Afghanistan would be the weak partner in an alliance with India to turn the Taliban against Pakistan, what would India do different (that would work) from what has already been tried by operatives from other countries?
We have perfect clarity!![]()
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Kaya-nahi stresses “right balance” between defence and development
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QUETTA: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Assfauq Parvez Kayanani visited Command and Staff College Quetta Friday and stressed upon the army officers to maintain adequate capabilities and readiness to fulfil the tasks assigned.While addressing the participants of command and staff course, he said that for meaningful and sustainable progress, a nation has to strike the right balance between the requirements of development and defence.It is the duty of the armed forces to maintain adequate capabilities and readiness to fulfil the tasks assigned, said the army chief. He said that no army operates in a vacuum, rather it draws upon the support of the nation to conduct its tasks in a manner that it contributes to the fulfilment of national polices, interests and aspirations.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Rajesh ji,
Your writings advocate a very forward - proactive approach towards Pakistan, but I don't sense India having the nature to be that aggressive (or aggressive at all).
If India would have immediately sent Rabbani Khar home after her meeting with Geelani a few years ago, then my perception of the situation would be different.
Your writings advocate a very forward - proactive approach towards Pakistan, but I don't sense India having the nature to be that aggressive (or aggressive at all).
If India would have immediately sent Rabbani Khar home after her meeting with Geelani a few years ago, then my perception of the situation would be different.
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Naawazzo to Kayanahi, I dont Like it
LAHORE: Pakistan's incoming prime minister Nawaz Sharif on Friday condemned the latest US drone strike in the country's lawless tribal belt which killed the Taliban's deputy chief.“The Pakistani Taliban on Thursday withdrew their offer of peace talks with the government after confirming the death of their second in command in the US drone strike.Waliur Rehman was killed when an unmanned US aircraft attacked a house in North Waziristan tribal district, a Taliban and al Qaeda haven on the Afghan border, early on Wednesday.The statement said a close aide of Nawaz Sharif on Friday met with US charge d'affaires Richard Hoagland and conveyed Sharif's sentiments on the latest strike.
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From "Tribune" news article (posting in full). An MQM supporter and an educational institute owner was gunned down and the mango TSPians are debating if he was Shia or not as if his being Shia is cause enough to be killed in TSP.
Targeting education: Educationist Azfar Rizvi gunned down in Karachi
Targeting education: Educationist Azfar Rizvi gunned down in Karachi
Also note the comments sections from TSPians.By Noman Ahmed - Published: May 31, 2013
KARACHI: Educationist Syed Azfar Rizvi was shot dead near Café Student in Karimabad by unknown armed assailants on Friday evening.
Rizivi was in his car in his car along with his when unidentified assailants riding a motorcycle shot at him. He received fatal injuries while his driver was critically injured. They were shifted to the Abbasi Shaheed Hospital where the driver succumbed to his injuries.
Rizvi was head of the Dhaka Group of Educational Institutions and served as an honorary secretary of Anjuman-e-Taraqqi-e-Urdu Pakistan.
District Central SSP Amir Farooqui told The Express Tribune that Rizvi along with the driver Abdul Ghaffar, were returning home from the Karimabad branch of the Dhaka Coaching Centre’s chain when two assailants on a motorcycle ambushed his car near Cafe Student.
Earlier on Friday, he had sent an article to the media in which he supported the MQM chief Altaf Hussain’s recent party reorganisation. He had also urged for education to be given importance as a way forward.
Saeed M.A - 3 hours ago
Reply: Polio workers, professors, doctors, lawyers, and now an Educationist goes down, but never a General ? RIP …
fz2 - hours ago
Reply: @saeed army is sacrificing their lives on a daily basis please update yourself and do not indulge false propagada
Osama Shah - 2 hours ago
Reply: ET…. please get your facts right, he was a Sunni, I personally know this guy !
MAHA KHAN - 2 hours ago
Reply: HE WAS NT SHIA
MAHA KHAN - 2 hours ago
Reply: he was not shia
skhan - 2 hours ago
Reply: Doesnt matter if he was shia or sunni ; Can someone intervene in Karachi and stop these killings? Anyone. …
Atif - 2 hours ago
Reply: Where are we heading towards?
Truth - 2 hours ago
Reply: Deplorable! A great man and a supporter of art and culture. Another victim of lawless land. Everyone claims Karachi in other provinces, but no one owns it…
Lifetalk - 2 hours ago
Reply: Crash and burn, this country will go down in flames before it has any hopes of rising up.
ARW - 2 hours ago
Reply: May be he is killed on confusion of name!
I do not know much about him and it does not really matters to which sect he belongs to but the fact is that he was an educationist so it is a loss to our nation.
Mango X - 2 hours ago
Reply: @MAHA KHAN:
@Osama Shah:
He was a human being frist, his religious orientation is secondary. However, being identified as Shia is not a SIN. However, in Pakistan even having a Shia sounding name makes you a target.
Jameel ur Rasheed - an hour ago
Reply: MQM should be asked about these killings. I mean they sat in Government for last fifteen years, or you can say 14.75 years! And the caretaker government was also chosen from their consent!! They have secured almost all the NA seats from Lahore. MQM should be questioned against whom they are protesting? They cried that TTP targeted them during elections campaigns and suddenly after elections, TTP allowed them to hold massive rallies. Isn’t it awesome?
Sanam - an hour ago
Reply: Five comments and 3 of them about shia/sunni. sad
Mohammad Ali Siddiqui - an hour ago
Reply: I am really shocked to watch this horrible news on the local TV Channels that a well known personality Mr. Azfar RIzvi has been killed along with his driver in a shoot out near Karimabad today in the evening.
Late Azfar Rizvi was a very decent person.
Every year lot of people were invited on Dawat-e-Haleem at his residence in Block No. 5, Federal “B” Area during the month of Safar and my family members use to go every year on his invitation.
In the last Safar, he did not arranged Dawa-e-Haleem due to security reasons.
I knew him personally as he was also associated with the Arts Council of Pakistan, Karachi and was known for his humbleness and kind behavior with every one.
May Al-Mighty Allah rest his soul in peace and give strength to his family members to bear the irreparable loss of a precious human life. AMEEN.
RHS - an hour ago
Reply: Nobody doing any good in or for Pakistan is safe anymore. Very sad situation….
hope - an hour ago
Reply: First of all my thoughts & prayers are with Rizi Sb’s family,
Secondly, I saw couple of comments regarding if he was shia or suni, I am deeply sadden to see such comments, whoever he was it is a great loss and now stop identifying people with there sect or religion or race. Try to give importance to Human life.
Finally, @fz we are not against our army but NO BODY has right to rule the people without their will. And unfortunately our army thinks that they are the crusader.
I acknowledge and respect the sacrifices are been given by our army JAWANS and I always pray and respect them but the leadership of the army …………. No comments.
@fz please go through the history of our country and you will find out that this is happening with our innocent AWAM for years, and who is doing it you know very well.
Also see these stories and you will know who is running our THE BEST foreign policy, if you still think our army LEADERSHIP is good for you and for our country then enjoy todays’ Halat of our country.
XCriminal - an hour ago
Reply: Syed & Rizvi and they say he was not a Shia.. What a Joke!!!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
From "Tribune" news article (posting in full). Choti Jalebi is back. I know some here missed her so now she has switched parties and is with Nawaz Sharif and be rest assured you will hear more from her in the days to come.
PML-N nominates Marvi Memon for NA reserved seat
PML-N nominates Marvi Memon for NA reserved seat
By Web Desk
Published: May 26, 2013
PUNJAB: Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) on Sunday decided to nominate Marvi Memon as a member of the National Assembly from Punjab’s reserved seats for women, Express News reported.
Marvi had lost her seat from Sindh during the general elections on May 11, 2013. The PML-N’s Aisha Javed and Saba Sadiq were also nominated for the reserved seats.
The three nominated MNAs had left Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) in favour of PML-N earlier.
Prime minister-elect Nawaz Sharif had welcomed Marvi after offering PML-Q leaders membership to his party if they apologised to the nation for supporting a dictator.
On Marvi’s joining PML-N, Nawaz had said “Marvi’s approach towards issues is pragmatic. She will prove to be an asset for the party.”
The PML-N has reached a simple majority with 144 seats in the National Assembly after a number of independents joined the party.
This number is expected to rise with the inclusion of women and minorities reserved seats.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Just a quick data point for guru's to ponder on. Karachi Stock Exchange was at 18,000 on Mar 30, 2013 and it went to 19,000 by May 03, 2013 (about a month) and now on May 30, 2013 it is at 21,000. That is a very quick rise in the KSE from 18K to 21K i.e. 17% increase in 2 months. Someone is making a lot of money on this bull run even as there are bad signs showing up for the TSP economy for eg. the Central banks reserves, the power situation and the overall gloom in the economy. So other than the change of Govt nothing can account for this upbeat mood in the KSE.
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U.S. officials: Obama’s new “restrained” drone policy doesn’t apply to Pakistan when there are U.S. troops next door
Pakistan Is A Special TNT Case
Pakistan Is A Special TNT Case
A sensible exception, but making a big announcement about limiting drone strikes and then carving out an exception for Pakistan is like going on a strict diet but making an exception for any food that’s “really tasty.”Most drone strikes happen in the tribal areas; if it’s business as usual there until U.S. troops are out of Afghanistan, why even announce the new policy now? Save it for the big Afghan withdrawal declaration next year, assuming that ever happens.
If, like me, you were unclear yesterday on how the “new” policy would authorize the droning of Pakistani Taliban number two Wali ur-Rehman, here’s your answer: There is no new policy when it comes to people who would attack American
In the Afghan war theater, we must — and will — continue to support our troops until the transition is complete at the end of 2014. And that means we will continue to take strikes against high value al Qaeda targets, but also against forces that are massing to support attacks on coalition forces. But by the end of 2014, we will no longer have the same need for force protection, and the progress we’ve made against core al Qaeda will reduce the need for unmanned strikes.
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Biju, They are bringing back money or converting black to white in the KSE rise.
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We are just like Greece and Spain
Pakistan may be next in line for an IMF bailout
Pakistan may be next in line for an IMF bailout
With foreign reserves diminishing fast, Pakistan is on the brink of an economic crisis that may force its new government to ask for an unpopular bailout from the International Monetary Fund requiring a sweeping overhaul of the country's economy.
So, what could be the immediate effect on the pakis?Pakistan's foreign currency reserves stood at just $6.4 billion as of May 17, down from more than $14 billion two years ago. That is only enough to cover about 1.5 months' worth of imports while the IMF considers adequate foreign reserves for any country enough to cover three months of imports.
So, is it a done deal?A run on the banks by panicked citizens anxious to convert savings into dollars amid fears of a devaluation, a withdrawal from the stock market, a collapse of economic activity and higher unemployment.
So, what's the good news?"The writing is on the wall that Pakistan is going to the IMF. The only thing left is to give a date"
AoA!Since 1988, Pakistan has signed onto eight IMF programs that demanded structural changes in the economy. But it has never managed to resolve its chronic problems.
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Didn't they release a statement "we don't need IMF, IMF needs us!" A few months back? BTW the Iran - Pakistan pipeline should be seen in this light. Pakistan neither has the money to build the pipeline nor the money to buy gas. They are merely using it as a bargaining chip to "give up" in exchange for an IMF loan.
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Whatever that may be, Pakistan shall be 'sustained'.
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Baki RAPEtte trying to do an == with Bangladesh

The world understands that such incidents, even though drops in the ocean, are small steps towards world peace!Last year, when the Ali Enterprises garment factory in Baldia Town, Karachi caught fire, killing about 300 people, unsafe and prison-like conditions of workers locked within workplaces were exposed but little besides condolence messages and some monetary compensation was offered by the government of Pakistan and international businesses. But tragedies from Pakistan have usually elicited less attention than from elsewhere.
OK. Muslims cannot do such things to fellow Muslims, so the fault must be with the kuffar.Though the international businesses are not directly responsible for the inhuman conditions that the labourers suffer, they are definitely culpable in promoting these inhumane conditions by their unconcern regarding the factors governing their supply chain.
For Pakistani products, the added humiliation is that not all brands agree to have the label, ‘Made in Pakistan’ affixed to the garment whereas ‘Made in Bangladesh’ is frequently seen on clothing from H&M, Old Navy, Tommy Hilfiger and other notable brands.![]()

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You Kuffar !!!!!Anujan
Didn't they release a statement "we don't need IMF, IMF needs us!" A few months back? BTW the Iran - Pakistan pipeline should be seen in this light. Pakistan neither has the money to build the pipeline nor the money to buy gas. They are merely using it as a bargaining chip to "give up" in exchange for an IMF loan.
Don't you see IMF needs Pakistan to accept money. IMF is begging and Paki momins are doing favour by accepting the money.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
A Kaafir Dhimmi, Crusader, Hanood and Yehudi plot to malign the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Mohammaddenism ?
BBC reports that in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a "begging mafia" operating in and around Mohammadden shrines “forces thousands of children into a life of slavery”:
The BBC then goes on to say that “if a child isn't disabled, a disability can be inflicted upon them” citing a Mohammed Ali, who is identified as founder of the Roshni Helpline charity:
Child victims of Pakistan's 'begging mafia'
BBC reports that in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a "begging mafia" operating in and around Mohammadden shrines “forces thousands of children into a life of slavery”:
The BBC then goes on to say that “if a child isn't disabled, a disability can be inflicted upon them” citing a Mohammed Ali, who is identified as founder of the Roshni Helpline charity:
Child victims of Pakistan's 'begging mafia'
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Looks nice. Who are they blackmailing to get one? Massa? China?Jhujar wrote:PAKISTAN NAVY 100000 TON AIRCRAWL CARRIER 2015
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^^^
They were planning on building the aircraft carrier in Gwadar, but misfortunately, tarrel fliend took over the port operations and there is no place to build one. Krachi is infested with deshaidgards. Maybe Peshawar in 2018 might be a good candidate for the shipyard!
They were planning on building the aircraft carrier in Gwadar, but misfortunately, tarrel fliend took over the port operations and there is no place to build one. Krachi is infested with deshaidgards. Maybe Peshawar in 2018 might be a good candidate for the shipyard!
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India likely to attend Sharif's Swearing-in ceremony - The Hindu
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is likely to depute one of his ministers to attend the swearing-in of Nawaz Sharif as Pakistan Prime Minister, expected to take place on June 5.
According to sources, the stature and seniority of the minister would be decided early next week once there is clarity on the nature of the ceremony.
It is believed that at one stage New Delhi was worried at the prospect of Mr. Sharif being sworn-in on May 28.
“It marks the anniversary of testing of nuclear weapons by Pakistan. It would have been a bit odd for a minister to be present at the ceremony on such a day,” sources said.
The Indian side is being cautious in its approach to the unfolding scenario after the massive victory of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) led by Mr. Sharif. While his positive tone on relations with India is to be appreciated, the attitude of New Delhi to the regime will be guided by its ability to deliver on promises. {Bull. It has never been India's approach to calibrate its response with the deliveries made by TSP. We have always been very generous and have always been backstabbed and massively short-changed. We don't mind that because Pakistanis are always long-lost, misguided brothers from the same family. We expect them to be prodigal every time a new PM or Dictator assumes office and we go many a mile only to end up with the same fate. We never learn. So will it be this time too}
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Mainly borrowed pictures of the Gerald R. Ford which isn't even in service yet for the US.Jhujar wrote:PAKISTAN NAVY 100000 TON AIRCRAWL CARRIER 2015
Pakis are unable:
1. To build railroad locomotives
2. Build infrastructure without help from China
3. To improve their electrical generation capacity
etc
Yet some dream of having the latest military technology that would cost them billions. They are such foolish people!
Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
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Once of the ILK - Always a Terrorist!
Prince Harry Death Threats : Man Pleads Guilty
A man has admitted making threats to kill Prince Harry, Scotland Yard has confirmed.
Ashraf Islam, 30, of no fixed address, pleaded guilty to the offence at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court on May 25 and is being held in custody awaiting sentencing.
He was arrested after attending Hounslow police station in west London on May 23 - just one day after the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command investigated the case, but no terror charges were brought against Islam, a spokesman for Scotland Yard said.
Cheers
Once of the ILK - Always a Terrorist!
Prince Harry Death Threats : Man Pleads Guilty
A man has admitted making threats to kill Prince Harry, Scotland Yard has confirmed.
Ashraf Islam, 30, of no fixed address, pleaded guilty to the offence at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court on May 25 and is being held in custody awaiting sentencing.
He was arrested after attending Hounslow police station in west London on May 23 - just one day after the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.
Officers from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command investigated the case, but no terror charges were brought against Islam, a spokesman for Scotland Yard said.
Cheers

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
The Supreme Court of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan decrees that all citizens shall face 10 hours of no electricity a day.
Time it seems for the descendants of central Asian horsemen to start galloping on horses across those wide open grasslands while drinking orange juice made from oranges bought in baskets of a hundred in order to keep cool (Clicky):
Equal power load shedding schedule issued

Equal power load shedding schedule issued
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As pointed by Tarek Fateh no mention of Balochistan or BengalAAO BACHO SAER KARAEN PAKISTAN KI
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The economy, power situation was down in the dumps even two months ago. The only reason I could fathom is Saudi pasand NS getting elected. Now KSA is going to pump in the elixir(15 billion USD worth if I remember correctly) into pakistan to keep it alive for some more time.BijuShet wrote:Just a quick data point for guru's to ponder on. Karachi Stock Exchange was at 18,000 on Mar 30, 2013 and it went to 19,000 by May 03, 2013 (about a month) and now on May 30, 2013 it is at 21,000. That is a very quick rise in the KSE from 18K to 21K i.e. 17% increase in 2 months. Someone is making a lot of money on this bull run even as there are bad signs showing up for the TSP economy for eg. the Central banks reserves, the power situation and the overall gloom in the economy. So other than the change of Govt nothing can account for this upbeat mood in the KSE.
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One of the comments was awesome -- How many oarsmen does it have?Jhujar wrote:PAKISTAN NAVY 100000 TON AIRCRAWL CARRIER 2015

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As per Islamic banking that is exactly correct. Why the confusion?Anujan wrote:Didn't they release a statement "we don't need IMF, IMF needs us!" A few months back?

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I think Dera Adam Khel would be a better location to build the aircraft carrier - they form the core of Pakistan's indigenous metallurgical expertise.RCase wrote:^^^
They were planning on building the aircraft carrier in Gwadar, but misfortunately, tarrel fliend took over the port operations and there is no place to build one. Krachi is infested with deshaidgards. Maybe Peshawar in 2018 might be a good candidate for the shipyard!
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By the way it is just 1.5 billion. Not 15 billion. The latter figure in the Paki press was just one creative paki media roach. Not that 1.5 billion is a small figure for these parasites.abhik wrote: The economy, power situation was down in the dumps even two months ago. The only reason I could fathom is Saudi pasand NS getting elected. Now KSA is going to pump in the elixir(15 billion USD worth if I remember correctly) into pakistan to keep it alive for some more time.
Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Show and Tell Time!
The author is enunciating the Pakistani Leaderships’ Perfidious Behaviour which has been known to all and sundry here on the BR-F for maybe Three Decades - if not more. As such Posting in Full :
Nagging distractions
With a comfortable majority, Nawaz Sharif still faces a daunting task to keep the military and civilian bureaucracy at bay
The relations between the Army and Nawaz Sharif’s earlier administration were at its lowest around September 1999. Then COAS Gen. Pervez Musharraf flatly denied “any differences with the government”, following the US warning against any “unconstitutional move” to remove the elected government in Pakistan. Then Chief Minister of Punjab, Shahbaz Sharif, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, based on intelligence reports, accused the Taliban government in Afghanistan of facilitating the trained and armed sectarian groups in Pakistan. The Pakistan Foreign Office, speaking for the Taliban, flatly denied the assertions. Interestingly, then Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz had no prior knowledge of the Foreign Office spokesperson’s denial (Dawn September 23 to October 9, various dates).
While the COAS was denying any possibility of Kargil investigation, the prime minister called his Indian counterpart to improve relations. In Washington DC, when asked how long in her view the Nawaz Sharif government would continue, “Before December they will go” was Benazir Bhutto’s response. She welcomed the coup on October 12, 1999 within hours of its success.
The 2013 election results have brought Nawaz Sharif back to the PM’s House. Many analysts have been counseling and cautioning Nawaz Sharif to avoid déjà vu all over again. A cursory reading of the conditions in 1999 makes many to believe that the differences in 1999 were over the foreign or the defense policy.
This hypothesis gained coinage as the Kargil incidence happened right when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was making an all-out effort to improve relations with India. While the Indian prime minister was enthusiastically welcomed in Lahore, the COAS refrained from showing up. The Kargil incidence, soon after the Indian prime minister’s visit, destroyed any goodwill generated during and after his visit. Nawaz Sharif was visibly annoyed when he had to rush to Washington DC to salvage a rapidly worsening military and foreign policy disaster on the mountains in Kashmir.
The Kargil incidence, just like the prior armed or political conflicts with India, reflected the internal political dilemmas in Pakistan. The stark reality is that whenever Pakistan is in deep internal economic or political crisis, either the relations with India take a turn for the worst, or Pakistan finds itself in a war or war-like state.
In 1965, after the coerced election victory, President Ayub found himself in a perilous political crisis and the whiff of coup grew against him. The escalation of the conflict in Kashmir was a part of the strategy to regain the lost political ground. However, that did not save him for long. Similarly, the war in 1971 was essential to cover up a momentous political disaster in East Pakistan.
The army coups in Pakistan tend to develop around some contrived calamity. Gen. Ayub took over in 1958 after Khan Qayoom started a march to destroy the scheduled elections. The 1977 coup of Gen. Zia followed a deliberately designed political crisis after the elections. The Kargil incidence was part of the series of false dilemmas that crop up in Pakistan at various points to create the environs for a change at the central government.
The annoyance of the prime minister over Kargil was enough to develop a consensus for the coup within the GHQ. That conflict, not in any way, shape, or form, confers the problems were over the foreign or defense policies. The sharp differences were already there as was evident from the forced resignation of Gen. Karamat a year before the Kargil incident.
The Kargil incidence was the public face of developing consensus for the coup within the officers and had nothing to do with differences over foreign or defense policies. Historically, all Pakistani political parties and the GHQ agree over the vital foreign and defense policy goals. Often even the priorities are identical too.
Kargil strengthened the view that relations with India are a separating line. However, looking at the history, all the army ruled governments worked to improve relations with India. It is an erroneous assumption that the usually sour relations between the civilian governments and the GHQ are over these two policies. The abstract fear of India did influence the army before the 80s. Presently, the manipulation of the public opinion has ensured that the Army will maintain its pivotal position in the Pakistani politics, even after extensive relations with India are established.
Disconnect between the civilian governments and the Army brass is primarily on the style of governance. The army, over the last several decades, has developed a sense of entitlements and the Generals find it difficult to stay away from the daily operations of civilian administration by the civilian representative. The elected governments often reach the PM’s House after several years of bitter political struggle. They have to appease their followers, assembly members, and make deals with the other power brokers. While the leaders attempt to maintain their political base, the nagging criticism of the state functioning over trivial issues from both the military and the civilian bureaucracy linger.
The hammering and the constant nagging of the outgoing People’s Party government over the internal issues from the military bureaucracy turned it into an ineffective government. President Zardari and his prime ministers had given up all pretenses of control of the foreign and defense policy very early on in their administration. The attempt to recover some ground through the Kerry-Lugar Bill designed with the help of former ambassador to the US, Hussein Haqqani, also backfired on the PPP government.
The new administration of Nawaz Sharif will again face the similar issues. Mr Sharif, though with a comfortable majority, still faces a daunting task to keep the military and civilian bureaucracy at bay. The irritable army-civilian relations will continue. The international support that he already enjoys is wider than the PPP administration ever had a chance to develop. That gives him an edge and many eyes would be on Sharif’s admin on how it copes with the meddling and the micro management of Islamabad from the offices in Rawalpindi.
Cheers
The author is enunciating the Pakistani Leaderships’ Perfidious Behaviour which has been known to all and sundry here on the BR-F for maybe Three Decades - if not more. As such Posting in Full :
Nagging distractions
With a comfortable majority, Nawaz Sharif still faces a daunting task to keep the military and civilian bureaucracy at bay
The relations between the Army and Nawaz Sharif’s earlier administration were at its lowest around September 1999. Then COAS Gen. Pervez Musharraf flatly denied “any differences with the government”, following the US warning against any “unconstitutional move” to remove the elected government in Pakistan. Then Chief Minister of Punjab, Shahbaz Sharif, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, based on intelligence reports, accused the Taliban government in Afghanistan of facilitating the trained and armed sectarian groups in Pakistan. The Pakistan Foreign Office, speaking for the Taliban, flatly denied the assertions. Interestingly, then Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz had no prior knowledge of the Foreign Office spokesperson’s denial (Dawn September 23 to October 9, various dates).
While the COAS was denying any possibility of Kargil investigation, the prime minister called his Indian counterpart to improve relations. In Washington DC, when asked how long in her view the Nawaz Sharif government would continue, “Before December they will go” was Benazir Bhutto’s response. She welcomed the coup on October 12, 1999 within hours of its success.
The 2013 election results have brought Nawaz Sharif back to the PM’s House. Many analysts have been counseling and cautioning Nawaz Sharif to avoid déjà vu all over again. A cursory reading of the conditions in 1999 makes many to believe that the differences in 1999 were over the foreign or the defense policy.
This hypothesis gained coinage as the Kargil incidence happened right when Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was making an all-out effort to improve relations with India. While the Indian prime minister was enthusiastically welcomed in Lahore, the COAS refrained from showing up. The Kargil incidence, soon after the Indian prime minister’s visit, destroyed any goodwill generated during and after his visit. Nawaz Sharif was visibly annoyed when he had to rush to Washington DC to salvage a rapidly worsening military and foreign policy disaster on the mountains in Kashmir.
The Kargil incidence, just like the prior armed or political conflicts with India, reflected the internal political dilemmas in Pakistan. The stark reality is that whenever Pakistan is in deep internal economic or political crisis, either the relations with India take a turn for the worst, or Pakistan finds itself in a war or war-like state.
In 1965, after the coerced election victory, President Ayub found himself in a perilous political crisis and the whiff of coup grew against him. The escalation of the conflict in Kashmir was a part of the strategy to regain the lost political ground. However, that did not save him for long. Similarly, the war in 1971 was essential to cover up a momentous political disaster in East Pakistan.
The army coups in Pakistan tend to develop around some contrived calamity. Gen. Ayub took over in 1958 after Khan Qayoom started a march to destroy the scheduled elections. The 1977 coup of Gen. Zia followed a deliberately designed political crisis after the elections. The Kargil incidence was part of the series of false dilemmas that crop up in Pakistan at various points to create the environs for a change at the central government.
The annoyance of the prime minister over Kargil was enough to develop a consensus for the coup within the GHQ. That conflict, not in any way, shape, or form, confers the problems were over the foreign or defense policies. The sharp differences were already there as was evident from the forced resignation of Gen. Karamat a year before the Kargil incident.
The Kargil incidence was the public face of developing consensus for the coup within the officers and had nothing to do with differences over foreign or defense policies. Historically, all Pakistani political parties and the GHQ agree over the vital foreign and defense policy goals. Often even the priorities are identical too.
Kargil strengthened the view that relations with India are a separating line. However, looking at the history, all the army ruled governments worked to improve relations with India. It is an erroneous assumption that the usually sour relations between the civilian governments and the GHQ are over these two policies. The abstract fear of India did influence the army before the 80s. Presently, the manipulation of the public opinion has ensured that the Army will maintain its pivotal position in the Pakistani politics, even after extensive relations with India are established.
Disconnect between the civilian governments and the Army brass is primarily on the style of governance. The army, over the last several decades, has developed a sense of entitlements and the Generals find it difficult to stay away from the daily operations of civilian administration by the civilian representative. The elected governments often reach the PM’s House after several years of bitter political struggle. They have to appease their followers, assembly members, and make deals with the other power brokers. While the leaders attempt to maintain their political base, the nagging criticism of the state functioning over trivial issues from both the military and the civilian bureaucracy linger.
The hammering and the constant nagging of the outgoing People’s Party government over the internal issues from the military bureaucracy turned it into an ineffective government. President Zardari and his prime ministers had given up all pretenses of control of the foreign and defense policy very early on in their administration. The attempt to recover some ground through the Kerry-Lugar Bill designed with the help of former ambassador to the US, Hussein Haqqani, also backfired on the PPP government.
The new administration of Nawaz Sharif will again face the similar issues. Mr Sharif, though with a comfortable majority, still faces a daunting task to keep the military and civilian bureaucracy at bay. The irritable army-civilian relations will continue. The international support that he already enjoys is wider than the PPP administration ever had a chance to develop. That gives him an edge and many eyes would be on Sharif’s admin on how it copes with the meddling and the micro management of Islamabad from the offices in Rawalpindi.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
Defeat has its own consequences. The TSPA having been defeated in Kargil either had to face a purge or overthrow the govt. They did the latter.
Nothing about consensus and all that BS. It was a pure power play of dog eat puppy.
Nothing about consensus and all that BS. It was a pure power play of dog eat puppy.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
A former US Amby to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlain was on CSPAN elaborating on the recent Paki elections with a Rapatte. The Rapette was fawning and moaning about how IK's perormance has put the Islamists on the backfoot in the recent elections and Pakistan is a safe place for shopping for Europeans and American-Pakis.
Every effort is on to whitewash Pakistan's image....India is in for a tough time in the coming days. If this is in CSPAN, get ready for CNN.
Every effort is on to whitewash Pakistan's image....India is in for a tough time in the coming days. If this is in CSPAN, get ready for CNN.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
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Wali killed on a tip-off by Hakimullah supporter
The US State Department has disclosed that Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan’s deputy chief Waliur Rehman was targeted and killed by a drone attack on a tip-off provided by a member of the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Taliban group.
Sparking fresh controversy by the statement, it said the US will award the informer $5 million.
According to INP, the State Department refused to disclose the name of the informer; however it has confirmed that the award will be paid. It said that anyone who provides reliable and actionable information deserves the award under the justice programme.
According to media reports, there are serious differences between Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah Mehsud groups of the TTP. These two groups are opposing each other and the person who provided information about the presence of Rehman belongs to the Hakimullah group.
Khan Syed alias Sajan has succeeded Rehman and the Shoaib Khel tribe of the Mehsud group has welcomed his appointment.
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Wali killed on a tip-off by Hakimullah supporter
The US State Department has disclosed that Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan’s deputy chief Waliur Rehman was targeted and killed by a drone attack on a tip-off provided by a member of the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Taliban group.
Sparking fresh controversy by the statement, it said the US will award the informer $5 million.
According to INP, the State Department refused to disclose the name of the informer; however it has confirmed that the award will be paid. It said that anyone who provides reliable and actionable information deserves the award under the justice programme.
According to media reports, there are serious differences between Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah Mehsud groups of the TTP. These two groups are opposing each other and the person who provided information about the presence of Rehman belongs to the Hakimullah group.
Khan Syed alias Sajan has succeeded Rehman and the Shoaib Khel tribe of the Mehsud group has welcomed his appointment.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013
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