Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Sep 2013 23:23

Exactly, there is no lapse by the IA. Western borders are in environment twisted by unfair policies of fourfathers of pakis and actual psychos in paki lands who live only to throw rabid dogs from across the border 24 hours - pakistaniyat. All of this is not normal.

Providing cover fire, finding gaps in defense preparedness, throwing rabid dogs across the fence, making arms available to rabid dogs etc - when these exceptions are nullified then we talk of any lapses on our side.

Not to talk of terror cover provided to pukis by fourfathers under excuses, allowing terrorism under arbitrary labels and combining that with other processes - these are all exceptions. The western border is abnormal.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Sep 2013 23:36

Despite Kashmir attack, peace talks will go on : Manmohan

NEW DELHI : India’s prime minister branded Thursday’s attack by militants on an Indian police station and army camp in disputed Kashmir as “barbaric” but – without mentioning Pakistan – said it would not derail efforts to pursue peace through dialogue.

“This is one more in a series of provocations and barbaric actions by the enemies of peace,” Manmohan Singh said in a statement. “Such attacks will not deter us and will not succeed in derailing our efforts to find a resolution to all problems through a process of dialogue.”

A group of militants dressed in Indian army uniforms killed eight people in the raid near the Pakistan border, Indian officials said.

The attack triggered calls in New Delhi for talks between the rival nations’ leaders at the weekend to be called.

Just a day before the attack, Singh said he would meet Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly for highly anticipated talks. They are expected to discuss rising violence in the Kashmir region.

This can neither by SMG's or the Indian WKKs. It is either Uncle Same has got MNS by the S.... & C..... or most probably MMS wanting to put a Peace Stamp on his CV and possibly get the Nobel Prize.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Sep 2013 23:44

Piss stamp wont happen for it will be transitory. Reason TSP jihadis will think they can have more and will revert to their terrorist attacks. And MMS govt will go before the 2014 drawdown.
Even if UPA comes it wont be MMS again.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Sep 2013 23:48

85 year old men don't yearn for wars nor they can guide a nation to heights .
They want their solitude and old memories from childhood.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 26 Sep 2013 23:57

ramana wrote:Piss stamp wont happen for it will be transitory. Reason TSP jihadis will think they can have more and will revert to their terrorist attacks. And MMS govt will go before the 2014 drawdown.
Even if UPA comes it wont be MMS again.

ramana Ji :

Then Uncle Sam has got him by the S & C or - a bit OTT - there as a Terrorists "ULTIMATUM".

Cheers

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2013 01:57

Said before,there's no point in any "dialogue of the deaf" with Pak. Pak should be treated as a terrorist state and "quarantined".No normal relations whatsoever.Barring visas for humanitarian reasons,no interaction with anyone from Pak inside India,no sporting ties here,ZERO tolerance until TSP terror ends.The border to be further strengthened,and any terror raids across the border to be met with open-ended mil. ops against Pak including air/drone strikes against terror entities as the US is conducting. Sending the Paki HC packing a must,the status of diplomatic relations could even be downgraded to that of consular status.The establishment of a string of army fortresses/cantonements in J&K-a concept posted before,plus plans for the safe return of Kashmiri Pandits to be accelerated.

To encircle Pak ,ties with Iran,Afghanistan and the states of the former Northern Alliance to be further deepened.Our ties with the US must also be reviewed,as Nawaz Sharif has just been rewarded for his latest terror act by being invited to the White House by O'Bomber aka O'Bugger. On TV,our former diplomat and envoy to Pak,GP,described the Sherrif's close ties to terror groups and that every time he was in power there was a resurgence of terror activities against India.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Sep 2013 02:24

Nawaz has given an interview to WSJ where he has hinted that Ashphuck might be given an extension. Don't know if it is chunkiyan misdirection.

partha · Post by **partha** » 27 Sep 2013 02:39

Anujan wrote:Nawaz has given an interview to WSJ where he has hinted that Ashphuck might be given an extension. Don't know if it is chunkiyan misdirection.

It seems Mullah Radio has declared that Kayani will meet the same fate as Gen Sanaullah

Looks like Badmash has a plan

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 27 Sep 2013 02:51

Naming Rights for the new Islands

#Naming rights

Shortly after media outlets reported that Tuesday's earthquake had created a small island off of Pakistan's southern coast, the hashtag #possiblenamesofnewisland began trending on Twitter (ET). While the mud island will likely disappear, as others have in the past, that hasn't stopped Pakistani citizens from making suggestions like "Jazeera-e-Namaloom Afraad" and "Shutter Island," a reference to a 2010 film starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Based on the number of retweets and favorites, the frontrunner is "Yahoodi Sazish," which means "big head."

Amreeki morons translated "Yahoodi Sazish" as "big head"

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Sep 2013 03:35

Rony!! tell them send them emails reminding them that Indians know more Urdu than the nPakis!!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Sep 2013 03:36

Anujan wrote:Nawaz has given an interview to WSJ where he has hinted that Ashphuck might be given an extension. Don't know if it is chunkiyan misdirection.

Does he have any other option??

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Sep 2013 03:42

Any moronic and idiotic people will know that the "democracy" in Pakistan is nothing but a SHAM being run for American and Indian public.

Any democratically elected leader is/has/will no power over his/her armed forces is "democratically elected only in name" put in charges as FACE by the head of the armed forces (real power).

A democratically elected leader can and should fire any military leaders on will who are against his/her "democratically" elected wills. This is not the case in nPakistan!!!!

so!! nPakistani armed forces by not behaving as the elected leader deems fit means

1. The "elected" leader(Badmash elected by Army) goes along with the armed forces.
OR
2. He(Badmash) has no charge/write with the armed forces.

then only morons will talk with "elected" leaders whom they "perceive/think" are in charge of armed forces.

There are no other options but War!! As I have been saying from last 15 years!

We Indians have been believing that "Elected officials have all power" while the reality is that our Armed forces is the real power!! they are our heroes who respect the will of the public by going with Prime minister!!! Hats off to the armed forces of India!!! The real heroes of India!! will have and always will!!!! While naPakistan has only one option which is to destroy and merge back with India!!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 05:10

I guess the MMS talking to Pakistan confirms one thing. GoI firmly believes that all x-border terrorism is by non-state actors and GoP doesn't have any role in it.

Now the question is does GoP includes TSPA or not.

Perhaps the chanikiyan idea is to create a wedge between GOP and TSPA

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Sep 2013 08:58

From the archives of The Hindu

The subject of Kashmir figured during talks between Mrs. Vijayalakshmi Pandit, leader of the Indian delegation to the United Nations, and Mr. Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State, on September 25, according to American sources. The sources added, however there had been no forward movement towards the solution of the issue during the discussions. It was understood that Mrs. Pandit reiterated India’s viewpoint on the subject and told Mr. Rusk that while India had made strenuous attempts to reach an agreement with Pakistan, the latter’s hatred of India and her flirtations with China resulting from that hatred had made the solution more difficult than ever. The concessions India had been willing to make at one stage for amicable relations between the two countries could no longer hold the field.

This is what India said to the US in Sep. 1963, when India's position was rather precarious due to various issues. The situation vis-a-vis Pakistan has gotten worse far more since 1963 and the China-Pakistan collusion has gotten far more complicated. Proportionately, we have surrendered our position since the days of Mrs. Vijayalakshmi Pandit.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Sep 2013 10:31

China closes Sino-Pak border for 10 days - DT

The Chinese government has decided to close the Sino-Pak border for 10 days as part of extra ordinary security measures ahead of its Independence Day celebrations.

According to Hunza Nagar police, a notification from the Chinese government said the Khunjerab Pass would remain closed from September 28 to October 7. Trade and traffic between the two countries will remain closed during this period. Police said the Chinese government has been expressing concerns about threats of terrorist infiltration through the Khunjerab Pass. Such measures are routinely taken to guard the country against elements who may want to be involved in subversive activities in the Xinjiang autonomous region, where sections of the Uighur communities have been involved in a struggle against the government, police quoted the Chinese government as saying.

Such is the reputation of TSP.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 27 Sep 2013 11:12

Well Paki export going downhill.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 12:05

and we have a PM who is hell bent on resuming normal trade and dialog with the pigs

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Sep 2013 12:36

Taking gifts isn’t a cime, it is part of Asian culture: Asad Rauf

Duffer suddenly realized the virtues of Asian culture. Had it been in Arapia, they would have cut his _______ citing Islamic culture.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 13:19

This Paki umpire(who has no cause to be a celebrity - being in the job of Umpire) accepts expensive inducements from well known bookies and later terms these as "gifts" (refers it as "Asian culture" as if gifting doesn't exist in rest of the world and rest of the people are not aware of the difference between an "Asian gift" and an inducement).

Even a female bonobo accepts an orange in return for giving a lay to a random male bonobo. Should it be treated as a gift or inducement or payment for service ...Hain ji?

Man these Paki's crack me up.

partha · Post by **partha** » 27 Sep 2013 13:34

Peshawar blast targeting Govt employees traveling in an official bus.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/610166/two- ... war-blast/

Updates in last 15 mins:
2 killed 10 injured
5 killed 15 injured
12 killed 25 injured

Latest: 16 killed 35 injured.

16 killed, 35 injured in Peshawar blast

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 27 Sep 2013 13:46

^^^^^

TGIF

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 13:59

Were they on their way to negotiate with TTP ?
Then it looks like TTP came ahead and met them on the way itself

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Sep 2013 14:08

Nawaz Sharif promises 'vigorous action' if peace talks with the TTP fail.

Oh, yeah.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Sep 2013 19:05

India in finals of Sultan of Johor cup for under-21 Hockey.

http://www.sultanjohorcup.com.my/

India won all 4 matches as below. Defeating Pakistan 4-0 and Korea 6-1. Even Malaysia defeated Pakistan 4:2

Sunday 22 Sep 2013: 22-09-2013 18:05 England 1 : 2 India
Monday 23 Sep 2013: 23-09-2013 18:05 Argentina 2 : 3 India
Wednesday 25 Sep 2013: 25-09-2013 20:05 India 4 : 0 Pakistan
Thursday 26 Sep 2013: 26-09-2013 18:05 Korea 1 : 6 India
Saturday 28 Sep 2013: 28-09-2013 18:05 India - : - Malaysia

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2013 19:33

Just one quick scan of Indian newspapers this morning, and the Paki attack is all but gone from the headlines. Some puke newspapers (not TSP, but disgusting Indian newspapers) cite yesterday's attack as a menace facing both India & TSP and the world. Can there be a more apt definition of cowardice that not only do you not confront your aggressor, but consider aggressor also as the victim. But oh, did I forget, India is a hard state when it comes to "secularism", MMS won't hesitate to send in his police to rough up Baba Ramdev or ask the UK officials to humiliate him. How much lower can India get. Sometimes, I feel that with a ruling elite like this, its understandable that TSP will only continue down this path of hitting India and at the same time pose as being part of the "international community" combating the "menace of terror". What an effective strategy to get concessions from India.

With US making Iran and Syria surrender under the guise of "talks", next you might start hearing rubbish from ToiLet, Hindustan(Paki)Times, Indian(Paki)Express, UnDyTV etc, that mighty US has agreed to talk to Iran and Syria, India must also talk to TSP on Kashmir and make concessions, as India has "global responsibilities" like US, and it is in India's interests to keep TSP happy. Mark my words, this could very well be the line of thinking in Delhi.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 27 Sep 2013 19:37

Rony wrote:Naming Rights for the new Islands

#Naming rights

Shortly after media outlets reported that Tuesday's earthquake had created a small island off of Pakistan's southern coast, the hashtag #possiblenamesofnewisland began trending on Twitter (ET). While the mud island will likely disappear, as others have in the past, that hasn't stopped Pakistani citizens from making suggestions like "Jazeera-e-Namaloom Afraad" and "Shutter Island," a reference to a 2010 film starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Based on the number of retweets and favorites, the frontrunner is "Yahoodi Sazish," which means "big head."
Amreeki morons translated "Yahoodi Sazish" as "big head"

It should be named as 'getaway ghusulkhana' for the rich and corrupted pukis

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Sep 2013 21:30

Long but fantastic

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ing-at-war

Jacob remembers that India actually had only three thousand troops outside of Dacca, while Pakistan still had over twenty-six thousand in the city. {One SDRE = 8.6 TFTAs? Something doesnt make sense} “Just go and get a surrender,” Manekshaw told Jacob. He rushed onto a helicopter, joined by the wife of his superior, Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora, the general officer commanding-in-chief of the Eastern Command, who said that her place was with her husband. When they landed in Dacca, Jacob remembers, there was still fighting going on between the Mukti Bahini and Pakistani troops. As insurgents shot at his car, he jumped up to show them his olive green Indian army uniform, which stopped their firing. Once he got to Pakistani headquarters, Jacob remembers, General Niazi said, “Who said I’m surrendering? I only came here for a cease-fire.” Alone and acutely aware of how outnumbered the Indians really were at the moment, he took Niazi aside. Jacob recalls, “I said, ‘You surrender, we take care of you, your families, and ethnic minorities. If you don’t, what can I do? I wash my hands.’ He said I blackmailed him, to have him bayoneted. I said, ‘I’ll give you thirty minutes, and if you don’t agree, I’ll order the resumption of hostilities and the bombing of Dacca.’ ” As Jacob walked out, “I thought, my God, I have nothing in my hand.” But Niazi, surely knowing how many more Indian troops were following the tip of the spear outside Dacca, yielded.

Preserving the Pakistanis’ dignity, Jacob says, they set up solemn ceremonies at the Race Course. Niazi handed a pistol to Aurora. When Sydney Schanberg, covering it for The New York Times, told Jacob that the surrender of a Pakistani general to a Jewish Indian general made one hell of a story, Jacob indignantly told him not to write it.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Sep 2013 21:33

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ing-at-war

Kissinger now proposed three dangerous initiatives. The United States would illegally allow Iran and Jordan to send squadrons of US aircraft to Pakistan, secretly ask China to mass its troops on the Indian border, and deploy a US aircraft carrier group to the Bay of Bengal to threaten India. He urged Nixon to stun India with all three moves simultaneously.

a squadron of Jordanian F-104s had gone to Pakistan, totaling twelve warplanes. En route the planes stopped in Saudi Arabia, with some of them flown by Jordanian pilots and others allegedly guarded by Pakistanis. The State Department, too, observed eleven of these Jordanian F-104s in Saudi Arabia, and surmised they were bound for Pakistan. While the US embassy in Amman was never notified, its staffers did notice a conspicuous absence of Jordanian fighter pilots at their favorite bars.38 Haig secretly told a Chinese delegation that Jordan had sent six fighter aircraft to Pakistan and would send eight more soon; Iran was replacing Jordan’s lost airplanes; and Turkey might be sending as many as twenty-two planes. Kissinger assured the Chinese, “Jordan has now sent fourteen aircraft to Pakistan and is considering sending three more.” Nixon later asked, “Did the Jordan[ian]s send planes[?]” Kissinger replied, “17.”

Now Kissinger could ask China to move its troops toward India’s border. Nixon, keen for the People’s Liberation Army to deploy its soldiers, was convinced India would back down: “these Indians are cowards.” About the Chinese, he said, “All they’ve got to do is move something. Move their, move a division. You know, move some trucks. Fly some planes. You know, some symbolic act. We’re not doing a god-damn thing, Henry, you know that.”

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Sep 2013 23:04

rajanb wrote:^^^^^

TGIF

I think the proper acronym is ICBIFA (I Can'T Believe Its Friday, Already).

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 27 Sep 2013 23:42

Anujan wrote:http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ing-at-war
Nixon and Kissinger’s most perilous covert gambit was the overture to Mao’s China— already on poisonous terms with India. Kissinger believed that Zhou Enlai was somewhat unhinged when it came to India, and the deployment of Chinese soldiers could easily have sparked border clashes.

This is interesting, if somewhat off topic. Would someone better informed on the topic be able to explain what Zhuo Enlai's beef with India was, so much so as to be characterized as unhinged ?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Sep 2013 00:19

Anujan wrote:Long but fantastic

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... ing-at-war

For those in the LA Area :

"The Blood Telegram : Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide" with author Gary Bass

Please join us for a talk by Professor Gary Bass, author of "The Blood Telegram : Nixon, Kissinger, and a Forgotten Genocide." This event is co-sponsored with the UCLA School of Law Sanela Diana Jenkins Human Rights Project.

Thursday, October 17, 2013
12:15 PM
UCLA School of Law, Room 1447
Los Angeles, CA 90095

Cheers

Ramu · Post by **Ramu** » 28 Sep 2013 00:56

Rony wrote:Naming Rights for the new Islands

#Naming rights

Shortly after media outlets reported that Tuesday's earthquake had created a small island off of Pakistan's southern coast, the hashtag #possiblenamesofnewisland began trending on Twitter (ET). While the mud island will likely disappear, as others have in the past, that hasn't stopped Pakistani citizens from making suggestions like "Jazeera-e-Namaloom Afraad" and "Shutter Island," a reference to a 2010 film starring Leonardo DiCaprio. Based on the number of retweets and favorites, the frontrunner is "Yahoodi Sazish," which means "big head."
Amreeki morons translated "Yahoodi Sazish" as "big head"

Looking at the amount of hot gas that comes out of this waste land, it should be named as GHQ pindi chana.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Sep 2013 00:59

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Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Sep 2013 00:59

PM says Pakistan still epicentre of terror; calls for 'lower expectation' from Sharif meeting

WASHINGTON : Seemingly undermined by the massive domestic flap over a Cabinet decision to shield criminal politicians, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh nevertheless pressed ahead with "widening, deepening and strengthening" India's ties with the United States, an enterprise that involved advancing agreements on civilian nuclear cooperation, trade, and security.

The Prime Minister also bluntly signalled, with President Obama sitting beside him, that India has had enough Pakistan inflicting terrorism on India and will not respond to overtures without contrition or correctives from Islamabad. Calling Pakistan the epicentre of terrorism, he called for a lowering of expectation from his meeting with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who he will meet in New York on Sunday.

Earlier, President Obama had expressed commiseration for the latest terrorist attack in Jammu & Kashmir but had expressed the usual American hopes for a positive engagement between India and Pakistan, thanking the prime minister for his consistent push for peace.

In an oblique rebuttal to pressures from US corporations and industry for greater and freer access to Indian markets, the Prime Minister said his government's priority was to lift the masses of poor Indians.

Remarks by President Obama suggested the two sides had made further progress in advancing the civilian nuclear deal.

Singh went into the meeting with Obama scorched by having been hauled over the coals by the Congress party heir apparent over a Cabinet decision to shield criminal politicians.

The harsh criticism, coming hours before the Prime Minister was to meet President Obama, completely upstaged the bilateral dialogue, at least as far as the overwrought media was concerned, although the prime minister serenely continued with his engagements.

A simple suggestion to our Prime Minister : In that case there is no reason to meet Nawaz Sharif at all!

Cheers

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 28 Sep 2013 01:33

^^ There is, he has to receive his annual shot of secularism

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 28 Sep 2013 01:43

Shonu wrote:^^ There is, he has to receive his annual shot of secularism

Shonu Ji :

No need at all!

MMS is being "Hung Out to Dry" by the Crown Prince!!

Cheers

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 28 Sep 2013 01:53

CRamS wrote:
6. I am not a big fan of MMS as you all know. He is a disgrace, and I don't want to say anything else to respect forum guidelines. But at the same time, I think its a bit disingenuous for BJP and Modi to pile on him at this stage after such a ferocious attack, because this was an Indian army lapse, what could MMS have done? And in any case, what would BJP have done to prevent this attack?

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... itency.htm

Median number of terrorist incidents per year in J&K before BJP/NDA govt (1993-1997): 5,273

Median number of terrorist incidents per year in J&K during BJP/NDA govt, up to Parakram (1998-2002): 3,091

Median number of terrorist incidents per year in J&K in the equivalent period FOLLOWING Parakram (& Musharraf's begging for cease fire) (2003-2007): 1,990

I don't know what the BJP would have done to prevent this particular attack, but that's not how things work, do they. A national government can set a policy in place, and then evolve and act upon that policy with various initiatives that either yield results or not. On the scale at which it's appropriate to judge these things, it's pretty clear that whatever the NDA was doing yielded results.

In contrast, we know what MMS' policy has been. Uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialogue, sell outs at Sharm-el-Sheikh and Thimphu, compromises on Siachen and Sir Creek, delinking talks from 26/11 and other terror attacks. Well, that policy has had its results too.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 28 Sep 2013 02:08

Suraj wrote: This is interesting, if somewhat off topic. Would someone better informed on the topic be able to explain what Zhuo Enlai's beef with India was, so much so as to be characterized as unhinged ?

Suraj if you read that article in its entirety, it is Nixon and Kissinger who come across as unhinged lunatics. Zhou En lai eventually made the smart choice of staying out despite the Americans pressing and prodding the Chinese to intervene and promising them protection from the Soviets.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Sep 2013 02:51

What I find funny and interesting is that Pakistan is having the same dilemma visavis the TTP as India is having with Pakistan. There is a section of the population arguing for aman ki asha with the Taliban, saying Peshawar attacks was by rogue elements seeking to undermine talks, immy suggesting a Taliban office etc. People are talking how Taliban are brothers, how moderate faction of Taliban should b strengthened ityadi.

The talibs are seeing such signs as weakness and are imposing preconditions like Sharia in Pakistan

As Pakistan and India both will find out, appeasement doesn't work.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Sep 2013 03:09

^ I disagree.

In Paki-TTP scenario the public want TTP to take over and the minuscule leadership is trying to delay that.

In Indo-Pak scenario the public DOESN'T want Pakis but the minuscule leadership is trying to engage PKis.