Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2013 15:13

The Big Surprise of 2014

While many on the BRF are seeing polorisation in western UP as some thing beneficial to the BJP. The counterpoint is that the other parts of UP are exposed to other political parties and they may benifit from the incompetence of the MSY son.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Oct 2013 15:34

^^^

One of the backstabbers referred to above is Govindacharya. Who is the other?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Oct 2013 16:11

sadhu who dreamed of gold is a well known congress face. Acc to several channels

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 22 Oct 2013 17:22

Sanku wrote:^^^

One of the backstabbers referred to above is Govindacharya. Who is the other?

Sanjay Joshi, in all probability. But, these days, I don't put much credibility in Praveen Patil's analysis.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 22 Oct 2013 18:03

Can anyone here throw some light on Haryana politics: Why is sushma hell bent on avoiding alliance with INLD. Is it better to just stay with HJC??

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Oct 2013 18:45

muraliravi wrote:Can anyone here throw some light on Haryana politics: Why is sushma hell bent on avoiding alliance with INLD. Is it better to just stay with HJC??

Can't say, but she has been active in Haryana, Andhra Pradesh and I believe Karnataka politics. Over the years she has built up a legacy in these areas and is not willing to go new ways!

Question is whether she is now working with NaMo and Rajnath or whether these are all her own initiatives! NaMo and Rajnath can use her and her status as not close to them for keeping more balls in the air.

For example, NaMo can ask her to talk Kuldeep Bishnoi into merging his party HJC into BJP promising him considerable say in the party's state unit and Haryan, and still go ahead with an pre-poll alliance with INLD.

Only if Hooda loses to get any LS seats for Congress, would the Congressi Jats be willing to switch allegiance to some other party, which could be BJP. In the long run, BJP should try to take over the Jat constituency.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Oct 2013 18:49

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Oct 2013 18:56

Key difference between UP and Gujarat

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Oct 2013 19:00

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Oct 2013 19:10

are brahmins a vote bank at all?? How can one prove or disprove this?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Oct 2013 19:28

IndraD wrote:are brahmins a vote bank at all?? How can one prove or disprove this?

A word of caution. These comments apply only to Bs of UP and Bihar not countrywide.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Oct 2013 19:29

Sushupti wrote:
IndraD wrote:are brahmins a vote bank at all?? How can one prove or disprove this?
A word of caution. These comments apply only to Bs of UP and Bihar not countrywide.

A word of caution, anti-brahminism and castist bilge should not be believed about any region.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 Oct 2013 19:52

Boss my take is (and no one knows the number, but among Hindu castes, Brahmin are highest number in UP, more than Yadavs, but then there are counter numbers as well). 60% (OR X%) of B vote is committed to one party, rest (y%) is the opportunistic part that swings around. In fact quite a decent % of this vote is dienasty nostalgic, but that is a small number, and they will never vote for anyone. Only kaal can take care of that. It maybe that y% maybe swinging back to where 60% (or x%) is parked. But did I not see Kalraj Mishra not that enthusiastic at Kanpur say compared to Bajpai or KS ji.
It's irony, If KS was left to his fate, we maybe talking about third term of NDA with him maybe the PM candidate. But fate no one knows!! We may have had a 3-4 trillion economy, surajya and suraksha!! But some people could not think ahead of their ego!!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Oct 2013 19:54

Sanku wrote:
Sushupti wrote:are brahmins a vote bank at all?? How can one prove or disprove this?

A word of caution. These comments apply only to Bs of UP and Bihar not countrywide.
A word of caution, anti-brahminism and castist bilge should not be believed about any region.

Sanku accept the reality of modern day Dronacharyas & Ashwasthamas. In UP & Bihar they worship Nehru/Gandhi.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Oct 2013 20:54

Sushupti wrote:
Sanku wrote: "Sushupti">> A word of caution. These comments apply only to Bs of UP and Bihar not countrywide.

A word of caution, anti-brahminism and castist bilge should not be believed about any region.
Sanku accept the reality of modern day Dronacharyas & Ashwasthamas. In UP & Bihar they worship Nehru/Gandhi.

Sushipti Kindly stop spreading FUD -- when one attempt fails, next one starts, you never tire of divisive posts do you, sometimes trying to portray one set of people in BJP vs other, till the truth comes out and exposes those as lies. Then move to next set of FUD.

If all else fails, tried and tested method of playing one caste against others.

Blatant anti Brahminism, these days hidden under oh its onlee UP and Bihar etc.

Sorry but these will be countered. Deal with it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Oct 2013 22:37

India Today tale on AAP prospects in Delhi on Dec 4th

AAP aggressive campaign

Sushupti,
Dont post divisive or casteist tweets.
Thanks,
ramana

And consider it a caution and will escalate if it persists.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 23 Oct 2013 02:44

Atri wrote:Wasn't Sachin Tendulkar's mother in law, who is a scottish lady, the classmate of Smt Soniya Gandhi ji?? remembered reading it somewhere..

Bianca's mother-in-law is also a scottish christian like SRT's. SRK, SRT & Bianca-Raul are very good family friends. Just like AB used to be with IG and RG.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 23 Oct 2013 03:53

AB was at least from Prayaag and old timers.. SRT was to aapla Maanus, a son of a middle-class Marathi poet..

i guess it is the dynasty policy of catch them young and watch them grow..

Anyways, I do not think SRT accepted to campaign for Cong(I). I think that much sense, he has.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 23 Oct 2013 07:16

With Onions breaching the Rs.100 mark, why on this God's earth be willing to put his vote for Congress and its partners.
Whether they are Brahmins of UP or Muslims of Delhi. I mean I can't see any reason to vote for congress as much spin DDM would like to put on current events.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Oct 2013 07:24

free tv, cash, etc?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 23 Oct 2013 08:58

Vijay Goel loses Delhi CM candidate race as RSS calls the shots

appointments within the BJP come without the approval of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), has been reinforced yet again. This time Delhi BJP president Vijay Goel learnt the hard way that keeping the RSS happy is part of every BJP leader’s job.

The RSS stiffly opposed Goel’s chief ministerial candidature for the state ahead of the December Assembly elections. While Goel claimed on Monday that he had never sought to be the party’s CM face, insiders say that Goel’s high-handed approach after taking over the party’s reins in February alienated him from the RSS. The party’s front runner for the CM post now is Dr Harshvardhan (who uses his first name), who not only enjoys the RSS’ confidence but also has the support of senior party leaders, including LK Advani, Nitin Gadkari and Sushma Swaraj.

A well-placed source in the BJP said that Goel lost the chief ministerial candidature race due to strong opposition by RSS’ Delhi prant pracharak (state unit head) Anil Kant. “Kantji was not happy with Goel’s style of functioning and he (Kant) is the one who strongly opposed Goel’s candidature. Kantji’s opposition has cost Goel dear,” the source said.

Others too were unhappy with Goel’s one-man show in the party. Among them were RSS Delhi chief Kulbhushan Ahuja and Mukesh Punyani, who works as a link between the RSS and the Delhi BJP.

Another BJP insider told dna, on condition of anonymity, that ever since Goel took over the party’s Delhi unit in February, he stopped consulting the RSS on party affairs.

“The RSS leadership in Delhi has been unhappy with the way Goel is running the party. They brought it to his notice and when they failed to note any change in his style of functioning, the RSS leadership in Delhi stopped talking to him,” he said.

Goel, sources said, ignored the RSS while announcing his team despite the RSS’ objections in the appointment of district president, block president and state office bearers. Feeling left out, the RSS stopped giving its suggestions and refrained from taking interest in the party’s affairs in the city, he said.

Ironically, Goel should have been the last person to alienate the RSS. He rose to the party’s top position in the state because the RSS withdrew support to his predecessor Vijender Gupta, a popular corporator in Delhi.

“Despite leading the BJP to victory in all the three civic body elections in April 2012, Gupta was removed as party president to make way for Goel when the RSS withdrew its support to him over corruption allegations,” he said.

With elections around the corner, the RSS has been avtively participating in BJP’s decision making. BJP sources say the party has finalised Dr Harshvardhan to be its chief ministerial candidate and that a formal announcement will be made following a parliamentary board meeting, expected to be held by the month end.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-vi ... ts-1907373

niran · Post by **niran** » 23 Oct 2013 09:08

^^^^^ is not Nitin Gadkurry a RSS man? and Nitin Gadkurry is in charge of Delhi election
the reality is "Party Cadres" are unhappy with Vijay Goel particularly after Vijay Goel refusing to press
for the case against Sheela Dixit use of Govt. fund in election campaign case, what he did was he collected few
old retired men from his mohalla and did a symbolic march, that too was not completed.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Oct 2013 09:14

niran saar,

Moi is under the impression that dilli bhajpa cadre want Goel and not HarshV. Seemed to be a redux to the Khanduri-Nishank fiasco in UKD. Khanduri the good guy (a la Harshvardhan) and Pokhriyal Nishank the corrupt chap who the state unit wanted so as to share in the spoils...

niran · Post by **niran** » 23 Oct 2013 09:24

^^^ i show readings opposite to your impression Saar, BTW Vijay Goel has been promoted upstairs
most proilly he will contest from Chandni Chowk against Kapil Sibal during Lok Sabha election.

both Vijay Goel and Dr. Harshvardhan are good, but Vijay Goel lacks oratory skills which Harsh Vardhan have in plenty

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 23 Oct 2013 10:04

There is no RSS involvement. Goel is not popular with BJP cadre in Delhi. He was pushed by Advani and now the putsch has finally come.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Oct 2013 10:41

RSS may have been miffed with Goel because as he was LKA man, he too may have been opposed to RSS involvement in party affairs.

However the reason why he has lost in the CM sweepstakes is not just because of that. He is indeed an organization man but one who likes to control too much, not involve others in programs, and work with only a subset of the cadre. Also he doesn't seem very charismatic. Basically his approach was perceived as not corrupt but power-hungry. He was perceived as a politician and not as a leader.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Oct 2013 11:47

Actually it is incredible how well BJP and RSS have succeeded in changing the guard in BJP as well as placating the old guard in BJP without any untoward rebellion.

BJP must now ensure that not only they win Delhi but that AAP cannot win any seats at all, thus keeping Delhi as a bipolar contest in the future. Without any representation of AAP in Delhi Vidhan Sabha, AAP would disappear.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 23 Oct 2013 12:38

Yes AAP needs to be nipped. The bigger fear is that if they do well in Delhi, they will get massive funds to do damage in the LS elections. Given their meteoric rise, 6 months would have been a long time for them to do khujli. But the election is still not done, though HV can not b attacked the same was as VG.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Oct 2013 15:02

Published on Oct 23, 2013
By Shekhar Iyer
Why BJP made Harsh Vardhan Delhi CM candidate: word from Modi: Hindustan Times

BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi's "growing worry" about the party's prospects in Delhi played a catalytic role in the naming of Harsh Vardhan as chief ministerial candidate.

Even though his rally at the Japanese Garden in Rohini on September 29 was billed as a big success, Modi was "disturbed" by reports that the BJP was losing ground to fledgling Aam Admi Party (AAP) led by Arvind Kejriwal.

BJP insiders said Modi got key aides and party officials to give him an assessment, which warned of serious setbacks in many areas unless the trend was reversed by projecting a "credible" face.

Modi agreed with the assessment by Nitin Gadkari, BJP's in-charge for Delhi, that Vardhan was the best bet in the circumstances.

Though he viewed Goel's organisational ability an "asset", Modi is understood to have concurred with views of LK Advani, Arun Jaitely and Sushma Swaraj, all of whom have favoured Vardhan for a long time.

BJP president Rajnath Singh, who had appointed Goel as the Delhi party chief in February, was initially reluctant about "changing horses mid-stream" but went along with the views of other leaders when shown survey reports.

BJP general secretary (Organisation) Ramlal, who supported Goel, also came on board when the RSS brass pressed for Vardhan's name.

Goel probably blundered when he refused to take other Delhi BJP leaders along with him when he set about revitalising the local units.

The fear of Goel's ability to swing selection of BJP candidates in his favour saw many leaders rush to Gadkari with complaints to ensure "justice" for all factions.

A "turning point" in the episode was when Arun Jaitely agreed with Gadkari and Sushma Swaraj’s assessment that Vardhan had to be brought to the fore to re-energise the campaign. Jaitley agreed that Goel's name was not catching the imagination of Delhi's voting class though he had worked hard.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Oct 2013 15:21

AAP setup shows how politics in dilli can be manipulated directly by funding from outside. However these outside funding agencies aren't under obligation to be answerable to CBI or such Indian investigation agencies.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 23 Oct 2013 15:35

Either Arun Jaitey or SS should be projected as Delhi CM. Otherwise, BJP can forget a clean sweep in Delhi.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 23 Oct 2013 15:43

Chandragupta wrote:Either Arun Jaitey or SS should be projected as Delhi CM. Otherwise, BJP can forget a clean sweep in Delhi.

AJ is sorely needed for 2014 backroom work. I have always maintained that SS should go back and lead delhi for a term at least.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Oct 2013 15:57

good that Dr Harshvardhan is made the BJP cm candidate. beter late than never.
it will be good for uncommitted voters who wereput off by Goel - whatevr may be the reason is not a vote catcher nor cadres happy with him.

OTOH good that low purush acolytes are removed one by one.

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I believe aap is eating into congi votes a little more than BJP. there are some concerns from congis.
Intially the assessment was aap will eat into uncommitted voters and ensure easy win for congis.
But it is not exactly panning out as congis/aap expected.

overall better for aap to become a prime player with bjp rather than congis.
congis need to be decimated everywhere incuding delhi.

aap will be more easier to remove later than well entrenched congi network even though the same network follows aap.
simple reason is -- this will remove nehru dynasty which need congis to survive.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Oct 2013 16:33

Chandragupta wrote:Either Arun Jaitey or SS should be projected as Delhi CM. Otherwise, BJP can forget a clean sweep in Delhi.

Harshavardhan is perfect. He is a doctor, a professional. Who doesn't respect a doctor? He is considered honest, just the kind of guy who should run where AAP is proliferating. He is considered a good speaker, may be not NaMo but still something one needs, and VG was not.

If the opponent was just Sheila Dixit, then of course some heavyweight like Arun Jaitley or Sushma Swaraj would have been the right choice, but not when AAP is also in the field.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Oct 2013 16:49

RajeshA wrote:<snip>

If the opponent was just Sheila Dixit, then of course some heavyweight like Arun Jaitley or Sushma Swaraj would have been the right choice, but not when AAP is also in the field.

aap AK has said he will contest against Sheila aunty wherever she contests-- if this becomes true, then it will be fun if Sheila gets defeated.

it will be end of the road fro her as age is against her and many other pretenders are waiting in congi circles. This will also help remove congis from NCR in the long run as there is no one as charismatic as shieila in congis circles today.
OTOH if AK gets defetaed nothing will happen other than strenghteneing Sheila aunty.

AK is getting lot of eyeballs amonsgt core voters of congis also. This might make congis nervous about the final outcome.

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BJP should make sure its core voters do come out and vote for it along with capturing some uncommitted voters.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 23 Oct 2013 16:50

It seems AAP is expecting Vijay Goel, and t is shocked with announcement of Dr. Harsha Vardhan and Kejirwal had tweeted 7 tweets in a span of 15 minutes mocking Harsha Vardhan.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Oct 2013 20:11

It is news if some 7000 people work for aap cheater for two months during this election. But not a news if many thousand work day after day for all round the year for other parties like bjp etc.

Obama type organising seen in aap activity. Community organising of idiotic people who know nothing about what they are supporting. No record of any work done, no ideas, nothing than rubbish talk all are now seen in aap.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Oct 2013 20:45

A CM candidate face for BJP changes the whole dynamic of the election in Delhi!

Now the debate can turn to the qualifications and achievements of individual candidates! If one pushes Arvind Kejriwal one step back based on qualifications and achievements, then one would be able to push him a lot further back on his association with sympathizers of Kashmir separatism and Maoism, and then still further back for calling Batla House encounter as fake.

Till now all these issues have been kept out of MSM but a CM candidate can make accusations and then they would have to be taken up by MSM as well, and then people not in Social Media too would know what is wrong with AAP.

AAP's charges that Dr. Harsha Vardhan is BJP Delhi's Manmohan Singh doesn't gel as former is a 5 time MLA. Dr. Harsha Vardhan doesn't really give AAP any further surface for hitting.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2013 20:53

assam CMs son just got married to a UK enviro NGO lady in delhi. he has degree in public administration from NYC. she from LSE in pol science. so a entry into politics is likely soon.

apparently he doesnt get along too well with the guy widely tipped as the next CM candidate
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/assa ... 10674.html

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 24 Oct 2013 01:28

http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 814502.ece

"According to sources, Yatnal praised Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s leadership qualities at a function at Talikote of Bagalkot district on Tuesday saying that Modi was the right choice for the prime ministerial post.

With this, Yatnal dropped hints at going back to the BJP from which he had been elected to the Lok Sabha and became union minister of state for railways."

Nagesh ji, any comments?