Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 16:43

Gus wrote:Tedulkar decides to campaign for congress as predicted by brf members

http://news.oneindia.in/mumbai/sachin-t ... 32414.html

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 16:53

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 17:22

btw AAP party has fielded a retired NSG soldier who lost his hearing in mumbai ops from delhi cantt constituency.

negi · Post by **negi** » 29 Oct 2013 17:45

Rahul M wrote:
Gus wrote:Tedulkar decides to campaign for congress as predicted by brf members

http://news.oneindia.in/mumbai/sachin-t ... 32414.html

Phir banega Man of the match lekin team hare gi.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 Oct 2013 17:54

Karan M wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:Re: the fourth option. Jinnah/Pakistan redux?
Its good if that happens. The rot of the communalism on the IM side will be out in the open. See, so far all the INC supporters have used wink-nod-nudge for all their appeasement tactics, saying otherwise apres moi, le deluge (after me the deluge).

Once these muslim groups become open about their communal mobilization, everything is out in the open and it will be fun to see how they get the 'secular' muslim votes, or whether that entity even exists so as to vote for truly secular issues (in significant numbers so as to make a difference).

And if they are open, the average Hindu dhimmi, always ready to turn the other cheek, and a vociferous, rabid proponent that all the other "barbaric", "uncivilized", "communal", "fascist" hindus also need to do so... well that creature will suddenly see the reality of what all the appeasement antics till date have lead to. Some might even rediscover sanity, out of pure self survival (after all, shariah compliance means no party-sharty, strictures on dress code etc).

I think this is wishful thinking. What do you think happened in broad daylight in Mumbai around 6-7 months ago in azad maidan. They burnt public property, destroyed jawan memorial, created a huge ruckus in the city. Did the average dhimmi hindu in Mumbai (not the ones who are already enlightened) change? We as a society need some fundamental education/pride instilled into us to see reality. Reaction to these mullah actions wont help.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 17:55

Looks like Loh Purush made the mistake by opposing Nitin Gadkari for his second term.

Nitish slams Narendra Modi, says 'his Red Fort dream will remain a dream'

Excerpts from Nitish's speech at Rajgir convention:

• LK Advani told me what Gadkari promised you will be kept true. I told him nobody listens to you in BJP.
• Nitin Gadkari, when he was BJP president, promised me something. That promise was broken and even Gadkari was removed.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 44804.aspx

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Oct 2013 18:00

+108 to Marten. Most of us would rate Sachin as a man with integrity, passion, determination, modesty, grace ityadi. Such humans will have an impact on the people around them. If he had joined Congress, hopefully some of it would have rubbed onto INC wallash as well. It is an universal practice to scorn and throw abuse when a celebrity joins a political party that one does not support.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 Oct 2013 18:06

SwamyG wrote:+108 to Marten. Most of us would rate Sachin as a man with integrity, passion, determination, modesty, grace ityadi. Such humans will have an impact on the people around them. If he had joined Congress, hopefully some of it would have rubbed onto INC wallash as well. It is an universal practice to scorn and throw abuse when a celebrity joins a political party that one does not support.

well, problem is that he joined the party, knowing mighty well that it is worse than a gutter and he has no chance of cleaning it.

negi · Post by **negi** » 29 Oct 2013 18:07

^ Well it is not like that. The fact is SRT is just a mortal , a human he is no different from others aside from his contribution to cricket and his field of work. He is now entering another arena where he is as much holy as pretty much anyone else in the circuit and deserves same respect as anyone else in political arena.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 Oct 2013 18:13

negi wrote:^ Well it is not like that. The fact is SRT is just a mortal , a human he is no different from others aside from his contribution to cricket and his field of work. He is now entering another arena where he is as much holy as pretty much anyone else in the circuit and deserves same respect as anyone else in political arena.

So, do we respect everyone in the political arena equally??

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Oct 2013 18:16

muraliravi wrote:
SwamyG wrote:+108 to Marten. Most of us would rate Sachin as a man with integrity, passion, determination, modesty, grace ityadi. Such humans will have an impact on the people around them. If he had joined Congress, hopefully some of it would have rubbed onto INC wallash as well. It is an universal practice to scorn and throw abuse when a celebrity joins a political party that one does not support.
well, problem is that he joined the party, knowing mighty well that it is worse than a gutter and he has no chance of cleaning it.

As they say, brilliancy from one field cannot be transferred to another unrelated field....there is no guarantee if good people in one area would do equally or better in another field. Worse or better is relative, there are fears & aspirations, ambitions, compulsions and opportunities ityadi factors that all come into play. Just looking at the human population and parties, it is safe to assume INC has several good and brilliant people - who dislike the dynasty politics. But they have their own compulsions to remain and support the party.

To you and me, INC might be gutter; but it is not for others. If everyone thought it was gutter, it would not be getting the votes, no? Some clearly think INC is vastly better than BJP. It is the perception and entrenched ideas. Unless that smoke is removed more people can not view INC as the gutter party. And that is one thing BJP and Modi has to find out and work to remove.

We know MSM bats for INC, there are NGOs and intellectuals who will bat for INC; so BJP has to dismantle one brick at a time to instill confidence in people that supporting BJP is kosher and the best thing to do.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 18:24

Narayana Rao wrote: I was fortunate to see Indira very closely in a meeting wherein she was shocked by non attendance of people and was seriously upset. She almost fell while getting down from stairs and to be cought by the District Magistrate. Modi has better control and much more tougher than her.

been a chaiwala on IR would know the din-din difficulties.. what is this? modi has seen much more crowd on the whole! this fella can handle much more tougher job.

RE: SRT.. indic folks generally have this notion of leadership and public fan figure is much more important than policies, responsibilities and requirements of democracy. Our problems are much more global than party or religion specific.

negi · Post by **negi** » 29 Oct 2013 18:25

muraliravi wrote:
negi wrote:^ Well it is not like that. The fact is SRT is just a mortal , a human he is no different from others aside from his contribution to cricket and his field of work. He is now entering another arena where he is as much holy as pretty much anyone else in the circuit and deserves same respect as anyone else in political arena.
So, do we respect everyone in the political arena equally??

Hell No!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 18:32

so, if I am a master of cricket games, can I be called master of social or political services?

answer is yes, only when I demonstrate that master qualities. give him a chance to prove where ever he is now.. later we can decide if he is effective or useless.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 18:36

muraliravi wrote:
SwamyG wrote:+108 to Marten. Most of us would rate Sachin as a man with integrity, passion, determination, modesty, grace ityadi. Such humans will have an impact on the people around them. If he had joined Congress, hopefully some of it would have rubbed onto INC wallash as well. It is an universal practice to scorn and throw abuse when a celebrity joins a political party that one does not support.
well, problem is that he joined the party, knowing mighty well that it is worse than a gutter and he has no chance of cleaning it.

he did not 'join' any party. I wish people would stop peddling that kind of nonsense. otherwise it becomes hard to differentiate b/w BR and deff and dumb.

negi, do read the link Gus posted.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Oct 2013 18:41

Saars,
It seems to me that you guys are getting confused by Gus saar's post. Click the link. Gus saar was taking a sarcasting dig at those BRFites who were speaking against SRT. And it seems Rahul M saar also enjoyed that dig. (from their posts, it seems like both Gus saar and Rahul M saar are huge, I mean huge, fanatics of SRT.

) But, it seems others got confused.

Gus saar,
I think what is happening is that SRT is being forced or coerced by the kongis to campaign. So far, SRT is being adamant about not doing so. He has clarified again and again. Yet the kongis and their media continue to raise this issue. So, it seems like SRT is being forced by kongis. One cannot rule out some kind of arm-twisting behind the curtains. That may also be the reason why SRT joined Rajya Sabha. The eventual idea of the kongis might be to use him(and people like him, ex: Nilekeni) in Loksabha polls.

Marten saar,
who got banned?

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Rahu M saar,
just saw your post.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 Oct 2013 18:51

negi wrote:
muraliravi wrote:
So, do we respect everyone in the political arena equally??
Hell No!

So he gets no respect, very simple.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 29 Oct 2013 18:55

to everyone upset about he joining congi

http://news.oneindia.in/mumbai/sachin-t ... 32414.html

The News Indian Express reported that Sachin sent a message to his friend saying, "Even after I retire from cricket, I have no intention of joining politics or being part of any political rally or campaign because my father wanted me to stay away from politics."

Read more at: http://news.oneindia.in/mumbai/sachin-t ... 32414.html

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 29 Oct 2013 18:56

well..fanatic is a loaded word..and i won't go into the merits and demerits of his character or our attitudes to him.

I will say this. BRF used to be a place where people (certainly me) came to, to get the real news..the 'what is actually happening' behind the spin and the ignorant/deliberately malicious people who pick up on the spin and perpetuate it. Classic case being - the whole world..the entire US, international, Indian media/thinktanks/forums etc were all buying the 'OBL was in the mountains/caves/ protected by tribals and is probably dead by now' line. BRF was the foremost place where people correctly said that he is probably in a ISI safehouse in a city where he can both be tended to and be kept on a tight leash by his handlers.

From that, brf has descended to - tendulkar is a congi because he was made RS MP, because he got tax benefits from his gifts, he is going to campaign for congress because some idiot at some congress committee for something said SRT will campaign for congress, and the worst of them all - because his MOTHER IN LAW is a crypto christian NGO leftie whatever...

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 29 Oct 2013 18:58

and some people are falling into the 'let me just assume and go with the crowd' instead of doing a basic inquiry of whether that sh1t is actually true..

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 19:10

muraliravi wrote:
negi wrote: Hell No!
So he gets no respect, very simple.

who is 'he', I would love to know ?

Gus wrote:and some people are falling into the 'let me just assume and go with the crowd' instead of doing a basic inquiry of whether that sh1t is actually true..

it's something similar to the 'purest green' syndrome prevalent in pakidom. (some) people are busy playing competitive putting down of public figures to 'prove' their purity of support for the bjp.

sachin tendulkar is a congress member, madhu kiswar is a trojan and jholawala; the day is not far when we will learn that modi himself is anti-modi when nobody's looking.

p.s. Sanku ji, please don't use this opportunity to extend this logic to love purush. he really deserved all the flak he got for his antics.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 Oct 2013 19:12

unless $h!t happens.. meaning don't analyze it before it is dropped!

--ps:
so, is anti-modi is pro-loh or anti-loh?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 29 Oct 2013 19:21

Rahul M wrote:p.s. Sanku ji, please don't use this opportunity to extend this logic to love purush. he really deserved all the flak he got for his antics.

thats cruel! Sanku saar, sorry for laughing, couldn't resist...

Gus saar,
I used the word 'fanatic' in lighter vein. But, what must concern the fans of SRT is that SRT seems to be under pressure from the kongis. I hope SRT fans will demand kongis to back off, now that he is categorically said that he does not want to join politics or campaign. SRT fans should put pressure on kongis to stop putting pressure on SRT.

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Karan M saar,
it seems what you are discussing with Atri saar seems to be connected to the present suicide attacks on Modi. Some are saying that Modi was attacked by ISI facilitated by the kongis and Nikamma (remember his visit to pakiland...) because bakis were afraid that Modi will undo partition. The motivations of kongis and Nikamma are obvious.

If the bakis are afraid that Modi will undo partition, then that also explains why the amirkhan may also have blessed this op(the NYT article...).

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 29 Oct 2013 19:21

venkaiah naidu looks all skinny anything wrong with his health?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 29 Oct 2013 19:27

Rahul M wrote:the day is not far when we will learn that modi himself is anti-modi.

that already happened..he caught flak for saying "secular" things...

to me, both the huge expectations placed on him on what he should say or do - and the annoyance that he does not exactly say or do that...both are not good.

he is not going to fit one viewpoint and not expand from there, and still be able to get enough votes to get to power. winning in pluralistic societies like india means you have to put together a coalition of voters who will not agree with everything, but agree enough with many important things. fonbois need to temper down a little and not be afraid of modi becoming a sellout in this process of putting a winning coalition together.

so far, there is no indication that he will do something like a mitt romney of saying whatever crap to get votes and nobody knows what he really means when he is contradicting himself every few weeks.

given the way he has come up in life and come through the past decade of severe tests...he has shown that he is his own man and he will be so in the future as well.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 29 Oct 2013 19:31

What if NAMO popularity soars among IMs and also gets infectious across the border in Pak. While Pak goes from the dustbin to the gutter the aam Paki might get enthused and this Tsunamo may engulf Paikhani's who call for reintegration. PA might be thinking this could happen or NM could start unraveling the present FP assumption 'Stable Pakistan is good for India' and reactivate covert action inside Pak. Hence activation of IM cells in bid to remove NM.

NM must be very careful on the security front! No care is enough care in this instance.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 29 Oct 2013 19:44

Rahul Mehta wrote:(By MNC-owners or US-elitemen, I mean British-elitemen before 1947 and US\Euro-elitemen after 1947)

nageshks: Missionaries and MNCs during the heydays of colonialism were far more entwined than they are today. Have you tried reading the accounts of how colonialism worked in Africa (just see how Rhodes and the missionaries worked together in Southern Africa - from the Cape to the Zembezi, or how Belgian missionaries operated in Zaire with the full backing of the rubber and lumber barons of their native country), or the French at work in today's Vietnam, or British in Sarawak. Today, the MNC bosses are often more wedded to profits than to any religious organisations. Given a choice between profits and religion, they will choose profit *every time*.
After 1860s, British-elitemen stopped helping Missionaries in India en-masse. eg In 1850, British-elitemen added pig-tallow and cow-tallow in bullets to help Missionaries convert Indian soldiers. It stopped in 1860. The British-elitemen didnt allow local Indian soldiers to practice their religion in barracks. They were allowed after 1860. The powers of British Magistrates were reduced and given some to Indian local Juries. With that, favors that Fathers used to get from Magistrates reduced. All in all, in countries where people were weak, like Africa, MNC-owners let Missionaries run wild. But in countries where serious backlash was feared, like India, MNC-owners did not let Missionaries do all that they wanted.

Erm? Taken a look at the demographics of India (in general) and Kerala in particular? What was the religious profile of Kerala in 1870 and what was the profile in 1950? When did most people in Kerala convert to Christianity? When did Meghalaya, Nagaland, and Mizoram convert to Christianity? If anything, the period between 1870 and 1940 was the time when the British, in conjunction with their business, made the most conversions. The way they tried converting people on plantations is something that you really need to look up, before dissociating the British commercial interests with Christianity propagators.

Also, if the MNC owners put business ahead of religion even then, as per your own assessment, why do you fear the MNCs now? Will they put religion ahead of business today?

Between profits and religion, MNC-owners prefer profit. But then, there are windfall profits in religion. And religion is very important to protect loyal political setup and damage unloyal political setup. And political setup is important to protect economic monopolies and weakening education of other country. So MNC-owners have always paid due attention in finishing other religions and promoting their own.

So, if serious backlashes were feared when the British were ruling, why don't they fear serious backlashes against their businesses today? And damage unloyal setup? Were you not just claiming that NaMo is a true MNC bhakt, and will grovel at their feet? So why would they damage the political setup of their own creature? Even you concede that there are serious backlashes against the Christian missionaries and MNCs supporting them if large scale conversion is attempted. So, the MNCs owners, are putting their puppet, NaMo, on the throne. So, why would they undermine their own puppet, and risk damaging their businesses in the bargain?

I said "resolved" i.e. in Europe\USA, they are resolved. In Europe\USA, they are at peace -- no violence anymore. eg kind of anti-Jeweish sentiments and violence which were there in Europe\USA in 1800-1950 are no longer there. The kind of conflicts and riots Catholics\Protestents had in Europe till 1800 are no longer there in USA\Europe.

How many religious wars do you know in Europe between 1860 and 1950? Please mention them. As for antisemitism, it is at an all time high today, particularly in Europe. It has just morphed into anti Israeli feeling. Just look at many of the cartoons in the Guardian. It would make Der Sturmer green in envy.

You will find lots of facts if you study SoKo. eg in SoKo, till 1980s, MNC-owners didnt discriminate between Christians and Buddhists. But once they dominated SoKo economy, they started prefering Christians for promotions over Buddhists. There are lot of articles on web on how Missionaries succeed in SokO without firing a bullet.

The reasons for the missionary success in Korea were and are very different. For starters, Korea was always a majority atheist country (even today, the irreligious people outnumber both Christians and Buddhists). The Catholics grew during the early part of the 20th century, particularly because they actively opposed the Japanese and the Church opposed the emperor worship of the Japanese and thus became popular. Most of the Catholic growth was during this period. There was also a very strong irreligious (atheist) socialist group that opposed the Japanese emperor. In the aftermath of the collpse of the Japanese power, and the alliance with the US, and the influx of the Christian refugees from the north (about 0.5-1M Christian refugees fled to South Korea from the North in the aftermath of the Communist conquest of the north), the many of the socialists turned to Christianity. It is the conversion of the socialists to Christianity that boosted the Korean Protestant population. Although, the Protestant population is beginning leave the churches, and contempt for the Church is increasing.

http://www.gordsellar.com/2007/07/27/on ... -netizens/

1. So what is YOUR take on what would be NaMo's policies towards MNC-owners and Missionaries? Would he try to block\expel them and if yes how? Or would NaMo open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries?

I don't have an opinion as yet. I am willing to wait and see what he does before making up my mind. He is an RSS man and I still have some faith in the RSS. Besides, he is a clear cut nationalist. No reason to believe he will convert all Hindus to Christians.

But 'engineering in India by foreigners" will not add any strength to Indians in their final war against Americans. So IMO, unless we fix laws, there is no hope.

Final war against Americans!!!! Well, you can leave me out of your war.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 29 Oct 2013 19:47

Dilbu wrote:I thought NaMo said 'Chandragupta Maurya' in his speech. Anyway there is nothing much to read into NiKu's words. He is asking why Modi was sweating. Bloody bugger had not provided security in the first place and has no shame in asking such questions. I would like to see him face a similar situation on dias when bombs are going off all around him. മയിരൻ!

Basic history: Vikramaditya of vikram-betaal fame belonged to gupta dynasty. His official name is Chandragupta II.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2013 19:59

KLNMurthy wrote:
Dilbu wrote:I thought NaMo said 'Chandragupta Maurya' in his speech. Anyway there is nothing much to read into NiKu's words. He is asking why Modi was sweating. Bloody bugger had not provided security in the first place and has no shame in asking such questions. I would like to see him face a similar situation on dias when bombs are going off all around him. മയിരൻ!
Basic history: Vikramaditya of vikram-betaal fame belonged to gupta dynasty. His official name is Chandragupta II.

IIRC the vikramaditya of vikram-betaal fame is vikramaditya of ujjain, elder brother sage bhatrihari. he started the vikram samvat era around 50BC to commemorate his victory over some invading central asian saka/huna tribe.

it is this king whose wisdom was legendary and chandragupta II of gupta dynasty adopted his name. roughly 400 years separate the two.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Oct 2013 20:05

Rahul M wrote:
sachin tendulkar is a congress member, madhu kiswar is a trojan and jholawala; the day is not far when we will learn that modi himself is anti-modi when nobody's looking.

p.s. Sanku ji, please don't use this opportunity to extend this logic to love purush. he really deserved all the flak he got for his antics.

Boss I didnt even say a word!!!!

But yeah, I believe that despite the denial

, I see what I have been saying is now amply demonstrated. Rahul Mehta ji did me a enormous favor, he proved two of my points in one shot.

johneeG wrote:
Rahul M wrote:p.s. Sanku ji, please don't use this opportunity to extend this logic to love purush. he really deserved all the flak he got for his antics.

thats cruel! Sanku saar, sorry for laughing, couldn't resist...

Cruel? On those who were disagreeing with me you mean?

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 29 Oct 2013 20:05

suryag wrote:venkaiah naidu looks all skinny anything wrong with his health?

Venkaiah after listening to many Modi speeches got the gist of the argument - Shape up or Ship out.

I hope he is in good health.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 29 Oct 2013 20:05

SwamyG wrote:+108 to Marten. Most of us would rate Sachin as a man with integrity, passion, determination, modesty, grace ityadi. Such humans will have an impact on the people around them. If he had joined Congress, hopefully some of it would have rubbed onto INC wallash as well. It is an universal practice to scorn and throw abuse when a celebrity joins a political party that one does not support.

That is what I said earlier. I was under no confusion, and I read the link provided.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 29 Oct 2013 20:06

johneeG wrote:
Rahul M wrote:p.s. Sanku ji, please don't use this opportunity to extend this logic to love purush. he really deserved all the flak he got for his antics.

thats cruel! Sanku saar, sorry for laughing, couldn't resist...

Gus saar,
I used the word 'fanatic' in lighter vein. But, what must concern the fans of SRT is that SRT seems to be under pressure from the kongis. I hope SRT fans will demand kongis to back off, now that he is categorically said that he does not want to join politics or campaign. SRT fans should put pressure on kongis to stop putting pressure on SRT.

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Karan M saar,
it seems what you are discussing with Atri saar seems to be connected to the present suicide attacks on Modi. Some are saying that Modi was attacked by ISI facilitated by the kongis and Nikamma (remember his visit to pakiland...) because bakis were afraid that Modi will undo partition. The motivations of kongis and Nikamma are obvious.

If the bakis are afraid that Modi will undo partition, then that also explains why the amirkhan may also have blessed this op(the NYT article...).

My simpler point was all that akhand bharat stuff is wishful thinking when most of India still has huge governance issues, artificial lines of us versus them and so forth. That stuff will take another fifty years to sort out before talking of somehow magically reconquista-ing Pakistan and making them dharmic or whatever...we can't even manage our existing population let alone taking in another bunch of loons with serious issues.

BTW, coming to what Modi will do, you have a lot of anti-congress folks, center, left-center, extreme-right all on the Modi bandwagon... They all think modi is going to do exactly what they expect...

I suspect rather he will focus on the basics of governance and a few high profile unity projects.. Rather than make India into superpower overnight..

Lot of theories floating about.. But the pakis need no strutejjic reason to kill him. 2002 apart, they hate everyone in BJP (except perhaps love purush and jaswant Singh who have been speaking the peace pipe)

Muraliravi, one can hope.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 29 Oct 2013 20:21

Karan M wrote: BTW, coming to what Modi will do, you have a lot of anti-congress folks, center, left-center, extreme-right all on the Modi bandwagon... They all think modi is going to do exactly what they expect...

I suspect rather he will focus on the basics of governance and a few high profile unity projects.. Rather than make India into superpower overnight..
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I absolutely agree about this part, Karan-ji. What he should focus on is strengthening the compromised institutions, allowing them to function fairly and impartially and most importantly, improving the economy. The goal is to get India into a high growth trajectory. Also, many of the problems that we are seeing today will automatically resolve if our economy improves. How many well off people do we see converting to other religions today?

IMO, the best we can hope for is for Modi to tackle one item per term in the old BJP manifesto (Bangladeshis, RJB, UCC, Article 370, Anti-Conversion Bill, etc). He should not try to do more. To try to do more would be to risk everything the BJP has worked for, for the last 20+ years.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 29 Oct 2013 20:27

^^

link

link

(A) Protection and nurturing of our Vedic civilisation and culture

1. Give the armed forces a free hand to protect our country and its frontiers

2. Restore the status of the armed forces in the nation’s administrative framework and give the soldiers their financial dues

3. Recognise with pride our ancient heritage and preserve our national patrimony

4. Restore the sense of balance in Indian historiography; the Gandhi-Nehru clan did not usher in our freedom on their own

(B) Good Governance and its constituent components

1. Controlling and managing the babus and the darogas, so that they transform themselves into public servants from their current exalted position of citizens’ overseers

2. Make the bureaucracy technocratic – allow lateral entry into the civil services, notably in specialised areas – take away the prerogative of the IAS to head ministries and departments that require scientific – technological skills

3. Rein in the judiciary, specially the higher judiciary (High Courts and the Supreme Court)

4. Streamline the justice delivery system

5. Stamp out corruption

Do all this in term 1. Only then we can guarantee term 2 and 3 and 4 and 5...

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 Oct 2013 20:42

panduranghari wrote:^^

link

link

(A) Protection and nurturing of our Vedic civilisation and culture

1. Give the armed forces a free hand to protect our country and its frontiers

2. Restore the status of the armed forces in the nation’s administrative framework and give the soldiers their financial dues

3. Recognise with pride our ancient heritage and preserve our national patrimony

4. Restore the sense of balance in Indian historiography; the Gandhi-Nehru clan did not usher in our freedom on their own

(B) Good Governance and its constituent components

1. Controlling and managing the babus and the darogas, so that they transform themselves into public servants from their current exalted position of citizens’ overseers

2. Make the bureaucracy technocratic – allow lateral entry into the civil services, notably in specialised areas – take away the prerogative of the IAS to head ministries and departments that require scientific – technological skills

3. Rein in the judiciary, specially the higher judiciary (High Courts and the Supreme Court)

4. Streamline the justice delivery system

5. Stamp out corruption

Do all this in term 1. Only then we can guarantee term 2 and 3 and 4 and 5...

I repeat, A is incomplete without sealing borders and initiating removal proceedings on the eastern front however difficult they maybe. It is vital from an electoral perspective too if BJP has a chance in Assam and parts of WB. I am not aware of the depth of the rivers on the eastern border (but my guess is they are not too deep). So riverine fencing can well be done. Will not be a bad idea to even have a ministry just for this and make it very transparent so that people can see the progress.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 21:04

Kamal Farooqui got suicided by Ram Madhav on timesnow.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 29 Oct 2013 21:08

Sushupti wrote:Kamal Farooqui got suicided by Ram Madhav on timesnow.

What happened?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 21:21

Don't miss today's Newshour on Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 21:26

nageshks wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Kamal Farooqui got suicided by Ram Madhav on timesnow.
What happened?

This Ashraf had been having free run on timesnow giving surmons of secularim and other typical Nehruvian trope plus Taqia. Ram Madhav bluntly asked him whether he agree with PAtel's view that all those Muslims who want any kind of reservation should go to Pakistan. He bluntly told Faruqqi it's U guys who created Pakistan. It was "accidental wrong hole " incident for Faquqi given his face expression.