AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Dec 2013 08:51

nageshks

Let us continue tomorrow - may be. I am deluged with work and BRF and telangANA issues are (should be

) last on my mind right now.

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 06 Dec 2013 20:14

The Bill has gone to the Presindent's office... let the fun start !!!!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 06 Dec 2013 20:34

YSJ met Akhilesh an hour ago in Lucknow. He met JJ yesterday. There seems to be a plan.

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ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Dec 2013 20:40

Vamsi.R wrote:The Bill has gone to the Presindent's office... let the fun start !!!!

GOM did awful job. After leaks and playing politics, they just presented what was Congress party announced. Many points of the bill as presented in media lack specifics. Many sticky points are all deferred to future or said to be taken care of by concerned departments.

If it is presented to AP Assembly, Assembly can return it asking for more clarifications.

However, it is out of Central Congress hands now and Congress can get credit. They can ask for building temples for Sonia. Sonia Birthday is Telangana freedom day while BJP is begging for getting credit

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*TV9 - BJP should get credit for T state formation - Kishan Reddy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQvMoAeTTg8

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 06 Dec 2013 20:48

Altair wrote:YSJ met Akhilesh an hour ago in Lucknow. He met JJ yesterday. There seems to be a plan.

This is more for media news building. Meet some people so they can write what ever they want in their media Sakshi, NDTV, NTV, etc. NTV released a fake survey just yesterday. Now they can present in media that his efforts are paying off by showing fake numbers of sweeping whole Seemandhra.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Dec 2013 23:27

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131206/n ... tack-akbar

TRS, BJP activists try to attack Akbar

Scores of pro-Telangana protesters stopped MIM leader Akbaruddin Owaisi near Kothur Jahangeer Peeran Dhargah in Mahbubnagar district on Thursday and demanded that he shout ‘Jai Telangana’ slogans.

The MLA was stopped twice by the protesters, mainly students, in the village. Police had to be sent in to disperse the agitators. The MIM has been favouring the Rayala Telangana proposal, which includes two districts of Rayalaseema region in the new state of Telangana, which staunch supporters of Telangana state are opposing.

The local police say the MLA should have told them he was going to visit the dargah. “We were not informed about the arrival of the MLA. The issue could have been avoided if we had got intimation and were alert,” said Kothur sub-inspector of police Ch. Raju.

The incident occurred around 10 am as Akbaruddin was proceeding towards the dargah. The agitators surrounded his vehicle and told him they would not allow him to proceed until he shouted the ‘Jai Telangana’ slogan. After a heated argument, the MLA to ok another route to the dargah.

However, the persistent group turned up at the dargah too and tried to stop him from leaving. Akbaruddin justified the MIM’s stand on Rayala Telangana, but the protesters were not impressed and the police had to finally disperse the crowd and allow the MLA to leave for Hyderabad.

yes yes yes. more of this. let the masks fall off the scoundrels' faces.

this is exactly what is needed. put them on the spot. make them choose. option A. Options B. that's it. 2 choices. pick one.

this is the process that was stopped in the "united" AP. the very process that needs to happen. old devils have flown under the radar for too long.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Dec 2013 23:36

Devesh ji, if you have time, could you elaborate your thought on this. I remember an uncle from my building from Telangan. In united AP, was it too sophisticated to not see anyone below radar is what my query is. My feeling is we need Telangan+Seemandra ie united Andhra kind of set up if need arises in say Bengal etc.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Dec 2013 00:40

vishvak wrote:Devesh ji, if you have time, could you elaborate your thought on this. I remember an uncle from my building from Telangan. In united AP, was it too unsophisticated to not see anyone below radar is what my query is. My feeling is we need Telangan+Seemandra ie united Andhra kind of set up if need arises in say Bengal etc.

I have highlighted this aspect repeatedly. the current AP allows devils of all kinds to escape notice. more importantly, the entire raison-d'etre of AP is framed in such a way that elements like M-i-M can be "useful" for certain forces.

the same KCR and his ilk who now so famously call for ouster of commoners from SA did not have any problem in collaborating with SA elites to push out the likes of PVNR.

so you see the problem, don't you? the same SA elites who paint themselves as martyrs for their cause, will collaborate with the supposed "enemy" (KCR types) when it comes to possible moves by others which might really hurt their interests.

and the same KCR-types will have no problem in doing that.

and the same KCR-types also have escaped notice for their previous collaboration with Ashrafs. had T remained its own state, the Ashrafs would have had their comeuppance and it would not have taken much to connect their links with the T-feudals. even in the "united" setup, the anger boiled over in the form of Communist ideology against them.

and the SA-elites who claim they "saved" T from Islam will have absolutely no problem in saving the remnant of the Islamics to use against the "interiors" if and when necessary. just to ensure that the interior-wallahs don't develop any dangerous "independent" ideas.

so the real facts on ground are: there are real divisions in AP which get papered over b/c all those forces which are spearheading the divisions can scratch each others' backs at opportune moments, and in turn can keep each other alive and well at the expense of pain and suffering for those who are not part of their allied coteries.

carve out Telangana. and then, there is no reason for KCR to collaborate with SA elites. and vice-versa. let MIM take a stance and make enemies of the people who wish to have Telangana. and in the process if a bunch of Hindu elites raise their voices in support of MIM, then so much the better. let the masks drop off. let them make their stances clear and open for all to see.

let the Jagan-types make their stance clear on MIM. let Jagan make his stance clear on MIM's collaboration with T-feudals who've spearheaded this separate-T movement, and therefore should technically be in opposition to Jagan.

let them explain their intricate dancing. this carving really does destroy the veil of obfuscation.

let the enablers of Ashraf-feudal alliance (a particular class of intellectual and business oriented clans), who put a lot of eggs in the INC basket and in developing marital relationships with important families in SA, become embroiled in internal clan-caste controversies which force them make a stand on their political choices, and thus invariably become enemies of some section of their own allied clans which once used to be friendly with them.

come on people: all of us have seen and lived in AP. we know all this shit. we just choose to remain blinded. we know exactly what I'm talking about here. we know how all these things are worked out in our families/clans. we know how some of the closest clans became bitter rivals often on some previously unforeseen calamity which tore them asunder.

this time, the "calamity" is on a different scale. an more importantly, it is a different paradigm of 'calamity'. it is going to force people to choose sides. it will force them to drop the complacency they've shown in allying with INC for blind personal benefit.

people are going to have to brace themselves.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Dec 2013 01:08

http://news.oneindia.in/india/bjp-activ ... 53958.html

BJP activists booked for demolishing Sonia 'temple'

Karimnagar, Dec 6: Police on Thursday registered a case against some BJP activists for allegedly demolishing a 'temple' of Sonia Gandhi in Karimnagar town. According to the police, a group of BJP activists has demolished the 'temple' (made of vinyl boards) on the name of Congress president Sonia Gandhi. The 'temple' was built in Karimnagar town by local Congress leader Sunil Rao as a token of gratitude for approving Telangana state.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Dec 2013 01:27

much has been made of how BJP in AP has been hijacked by "Telangana leaders". below is an example of that hijacking:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 347007.ece

BJP support to T Bill conditional: Bandaru Dattatreya

Senior BJP leader Bandaru Dattatreya on Tuesday said that his party was committed for the formation of separate Telangana but made it clear that extending support to the Bill would depend on whether or not the government followed the constitutional process.

Mr. Dattatreya told reporters here that the Centre should address the apprehensions being raised by leaders and people of Seemandhra before proceeding with bifurcation of the State.

The BJP would spell its stand only after the government introduced the Bill in Parliament and the Congress gave clarity on major issues, including the status of Hyderabad.

“We want the Centre to introduce the Bill during the winter session and pass it. We are, however, opposed to any move to impose Central rule or Governor Rule. The BJP will play a key role in the reconstruction of both Telangana and Seemandhra States after the bifurcation,” he said. The party would organise programmes from November 20 to December 5 to highlight the role played by the party in the formation of the separate State.

Mr. Dattatreya said Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy had no moral right to visit the Telangana region.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 07 Dec 2013 02:55

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 07 Dec 2013 03:41

Looks like the video is made by a TDP fan.. but you cant ignore whats in that video.. Shame on telugus for electing him

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 07 Dec 2013 05:03

The above would have been a great video had they shown the role of TDP too. TDP is definitely a victim in this but they cannot absolve themselves from the responsibility of protecting united AP, even if it means that in short term they would be wiped out of T.

The bigger blame goes to the people of SA. How could they elect a leader and party who promised separate T in two back to back elections? Apart from T fiasco, he came up with mega land scams looting crores of assests from the state, where for every rupee from the land, 80% went to his son's pocket and the remaining 20 % spent on vote bank gimmicks - on bogus free schemes and jala yagnam. 50 years from now, when telugu people on both sides do a soul search for their plight, they will rightly accuse current generation of people for their greed and selfishness as well as their apathy and timidity.

If leaders like Kavuri, Puran, Pallam Raju (my class mate in engineering), and Lgadapati don't bring down the govt in the center, they too will go down as the ultimate villains of Telugu people ( i'm leaving KCR types here as he belongs to the same class as YSR).

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Dec 2013 05:16

Dasari wrote: If leaders like Kavuri, Puran, Pallam Raju (my class mate in engineering), and Lgadapati don't bring down the govt in the center, they too will go down as the ultimate villains of Telugu people ( i'm leaving KCR types here as he belongs to the same class as YSR).

In all honesty, Dasari-ji, I don't think they can. They can quit the Congress, but even if all the 19 SeemaAndhra MPs quit, they cannot bring down the government in the Centre (and we know for a fact that 6 of the 19 have already bowed to the Congress High Command). I am hearing some strange things. Looks like the Manohar Parikkar KKR meeting has set the cat amongst the pigeons. But everything is in a flux, so let us wait until Sunday evening and see. If the BJP wins 4-0, then we will witness more drastic changes in Andhra.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 07 Dec 2013 07:00

ShyamSP wrote:
Altair wrote:YSJ met Akhilesh an hour ago in Lucknow. He met JJ yesterday. There seems to be a plan.
This is more for media news building. Meet some people so they can write what ever they want in their media Sakshi, NDTV, NTV, etc. NTV released a fake survey just yesterday. Now they can present in media that his efforts are paying off by showing fake numbers of sweeping whole Seemandhra.

I don't think making noise would help him or anybody. There is seething anger in SA. People are baying for blood. I am worried about the conversion of that anger into a huge riot. UP goondas in AP on contract will do the job. YSJ is capable of turning this state into a boiler with his money and goondagiri. He may be making these trips to move money to close these contracts. The next 36 hours will be crucial.If BJP wins 4-0 Telangana will burn.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Dec 2013 07:52

Why will AP burn if BJP wins 4-0? Both Altair and nagesh are saying this.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Dec 2013 07:57

Was talking to a gujju bhai in Southern California. He was saying how gujjus built Bombay which they lost.
I guess Andhra Telugus out did them losing Madras and now Hyderabad.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 07 Dec 2013 08:01

SA is red hot now. People from SA want some blood. YSJ can give that. To prove that YSJ is potent leader he will burn Telangana. BJP will be blamed for the counter riots as usual. Any riots now and BJP will get hurt may not be mortally but definitely will handicap them to recover for elections.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Dec 2013 08:54

Altair wrote:SA is red hot now. People from SA want some blood. YSJ can give that. To prove that YSJ is potent leader he will burn Telangana. BJP will be blamed for the counter riots as usual. Any riots now and BJP will get hurt may not be mortally but definitely will handicap them to recover for elections.

if Jagan does such a thing, it will be the eclipse of Reddy power in Telangana. they will not allow that. if he attempts it, he will find his own kith and kin (from both T and SA) vehemently opposed. they don't need that kind of hatred among the common directed against them. and believe me, that's exactly what will happen.

all this rhetoric of "burning" is BS. nothing of the sort will happen anywhere. please let's stop being so dramatic.

gpati · Post by **gpati** » 07 Dec 2013 10:07

Media is overplaying the anger in coastal areas. People are just tired and just want to get over the issue.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Dec 2013 14:16

ramana wrote:Why will AP burn if BJP wins 4-0? Both Altair and nagesh are saying this.

I did not say the state would burn, Ramana-ji. I said that there will be a radical realignment of political forces and there is a strong chance of a split in the Congress.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 07 Dec 2013 17:17

The political condition is neither the ruling nor the opposition groups at national level, the principle opposition party in the state support the agitation for united AP. They are not ready even to listen. More over their leaders hurling all kinds of insults. No one from Delhi is going to be greatly benefited by this.Then why mafia queen so adamant? Why D4 supporting it?

ARE WE NOT SEEING THE REAL REASONS?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Dec 2013 17:18

KCR does not do things by halves. Here he is - threatening war.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 010034.cms

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 07 Dec 2013 18:22

nageshks wrote:KCR does not do things by halves. Here he is - threatening war.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 010034.cms

Why cannot he be arrested on sedition charge? Congress does not have the balls and BJP does not want to upset the apple cart. If a similar statement was done by DhothiRoy we all would have gone bollocks by now. Why not for KCR? Have we lost a perspective of the Indian Union? or we are just as crazy as liberalturds? why is no one raising any voice for his arrest? This is sick.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 07 Dec 2013 19:24

Narayana Rao wrote:The political condition is neither the ruling nor the opposition groups at national level, the principle opposition party in the state support the agitation for united AP. They are not ready even to listen. More over their leaders hurling all kinds of insults. No one from Delhi is going to be greatly benefited by this.Then why mafia queen so adamant? Why D4 supporting it?

ARE WE NOT SEEING THE REAL REASONS?

I agree that it is very intriguing why the BJP is supporting state division when they have several reasons to back away without violating their basic principles. Perhaps more will be revealed in parliament when the bill comes to the floor.

But for ruling govt the reasons are very clear. They have no chance to win SA directly with or without T, therefore they want to atleast grab T. However their calculations with KCR are very foolish and they are realising now. For every demand met by congress, KCR is demanding new one. Either Congress has to meet his demands, making the division more one sided, or risk losing T. Congress cannot win this game with KCR. I don't know how far this will go, but without any seat arrangement with TRS, the chances of winning even 5 seats in AP is slim.

In that sense both parties are trapped in a trench that they cannot extricate themselves. Isn't this the basic premise of prophesy 'Vinaasa kaale vipa reetha buddhi'.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 07 Dec 2013 20:57

Looks like Pranab is on a super fast mode. News is that it may reach assembly by Monday. Situation is very critical and fluid. If this a threat to federal structure then it may be reversed. YSJ seems to have some advance info. He is confident bifurcation will be stopped.What does he know which we don't?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 07 Dec 2013 21:10

Dasari wrote: I agree that it is very intriguing why the BJP is supporting state division when they have several reasons to back away without violating their basic principles. Perhaps more will be revealed in parliament when the bill comes to the floor.

Note: This is just my reading of the situation, based on my interactions with Karnataka BJP leaders (which is where I have ears). The BJP is playing hardball to ensure that the political gains can be maximised. From their point of view, they need strong incentive to change their stand. Supporting CBN and making him CM is not sufficient for them - and believe me, plenty of BJP members really hate his guts. From their pov, he not only destroyed their party in Andhra, but also allowed EJs a free run in the state.

They want leaders from SeemaAndhra Congress (well any party, really) to join the party. If they support SeemaAndhra openly now, they will lose credibility with their own cadre (most of which is in Telangana) and they are not willing to do it without commensurate compensation from the other side.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 07 Dec 2013 22:55

nageshks wrote:
Dasari wrote: I agree that it is very intriguing why the BJP is supporting state division when they have several reasons to back away without violating their basic principles. Perhaps more will be revealed in parliament when the bill comes to the floor.
Note: This is just my reading of the situation, based on my interactions with Karnataka BJP leaders (which is where I have ears). The BJP is playing hardball to ensure that the political gains can be maximised. From their point of view, they need strong incentive to change their stand. Supporting CBN and making him CM is not sufficient for them - and believe me, plenty of BJP members really hate his guts. From their pov, he not only destroyed their party in Andhra, but also allowed EJs a free run in the state.

They want leaders from SeemaAndhra Congress (well any party, really) to join the party. If they support SeemaAndhra openly now, they will lose credibility with their own cadre (most of which is in Telangana) and they are not willing to do it without commensurate compensation from the other side.

I completely agree that BJP is caught in the emotions of cadre. TDP is exactly the same mode in T. But without changing their stance, why can't they fight for equitable justice on both sides. For instance, why can't they expose Congress deception in declaring Polavaram as national project, when we know that it is infeasible without transfering submerged areas of Polvaram into SA. Clearly a year ago no separatist in their wildest dreams would have dreamt of getting separate state with everything they want. With the fight to get credit for the formation of separate T, it became showering of gifts on T. TRS and Congress rule in T for the next 10 years is guaranteed. It is time for BJP and TDP come out of their slumber and realise reality.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 08 Dec 2013 00:11

Managed war bugle and horse-trading start. Defeated T-bill is in Congress interest to have permanent control on Telangana.

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T tangle: Kiran blows war bugle
http://www.andhraheadlines.com/state/t_ ... 23193.html
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“We will definetly defeat the bifurcation Bill in Assembly. And we will see how the Parliament passes a Bill that was defeated in the state Assembly.”
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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2013 09:50

what does the above post mean?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 08 Dec 2013 10:22

ramana wrote:what does the above post mean?

KKR is going all guns blazing on Congress GOM. He is confident bifurcation will stop. Today's expected results might be a factor. Please watch yesterday's news clippings. He went all out for Samaikyaandhra

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 08 Dec 2013 12:16

No Polavaram unless agreed by T state. No bhadrachalam. No protection for non locals. Basically mafia made Jagan hands are strong now. But this may lead to a serious unequal situation with people being driven out of their houses. I don't expect mafia to win T state if trs contest on it's own. Huge defeat awaits then in all 42 seats. But b teams may do better.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 08 Dec 2013 16:08

Exactly Narayan Rao ji, those with muscle will come on top, including MIM, at cost of people and image of Mafia/goonda behavior will be left on people. So people will have image of goondas while Mafia gets to be ruler.

Wonder why it took con race more than 50 years and still going this election.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 08 Dec 2013 16:18

Mafia defeats in Rajasthan and Delhi will give lot of hope for mafia MP s and other leaders of AP to jump the ship. Jagan and kcr need to be stopped by bjp and AP 42 seats may be theirs.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 08 Dec 2013 22:02

I agree. The chances of stalling the division are very high now. Congress may surrender to the revolt in SA or create differences between R and A to weaken the common front. But it is all up to SA MLAs and MPs whether state division happens or not. If they are united and defeat the bill in assembly and oppose it in Parliament, the division is dead.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 09 Dec 2013 11:32

Assembly session starts from Thursday. Pranabda will send the Bill which will reach Hyderabad by Tuesday and ask it to return in a fixed duration(Depends on many things, Could be 60 days). KKR and CBN are pressing for Vote. If vote happens it will be defeated. How Congress will present a defeated bill in Lok Sabha after the rout in the 4-state Assembly elections is anyones guess. I expect it to be deferred at some stage and Telangana will be pushed to cold-storage.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 09 Dec 2013 14:29

http://eenadu.net/Homeinner.aspx?item=break69

Gist: 6 Cong AP MPs have given a notice to speaker with regards to a no-confidence motion against UPA.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Dec 2013 14:35

This is a good step. Now speaker has to take decision on their resignations. Pity the ministers from AP still acting stupid. Defeat in 4 states giving Confidence to many rats to jump ship. In AP MP s there is very big anger on mafia queen. All out fight in AP politics with mafia decimating and it's b teams getting exposed is on.

Vamsi.R · Post by **Vamsi.R** » 09 Dec 2013 16:45

In a new and humiliating blow for the Congress, six of its parliamentarians have said the union government must take a trust vote. The law-makers, all from Andhra Pradesh, want to embarrass the party over its decision to split Andhra Pradesh and carve out the region of Telangana as India's 29th state.

The six MPs have written to the Lok Sabha speaker, Meira Kumar, seeking a no-confidence vote for "the union council of ministers" which last week said that the new Telangana state will have 10 districts. (Read letter)

Those who've signed the letter are trying to galvanize support among other members of Parliament who are opposed to the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh.

Any move to bring a no-confidence motion requires the support of about 50 MPs or roughly 10% of the Lok Sabha.

Since it first announced state-hood for Telangana in 2009, the Congress has been whip-lashed by angry protests from the two other regions of Andhra Pradesh who are opposed to the division largely because of concerns over the sharing of water, power and other resources.

Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra with their 13 districts will form the residuary state. For 10 years, Hyderabad, the booming IT hub at the heart of Telangana, will be a shared capital between the old and new states.

Andhra Pradesh, with its 42 parliamentary seats, is strategically crucial for the national election, due by May. Telangana will have 17. The Congress hopes to sweep the region because of its decision to sanction statehood.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 09 Dec 2013 21:55

6 Cong MPs initiate no confidence motion against their own government.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/52862 ... hra-mp.htm

I am not so concerned if this government, which is in the last three months of its existence, survives the no-confidence motion or not. What is a lot more interesting is what the Congress plans to do against these members. Undavalli Arun Kumar, Sai Pratap Reddy, Lagadapati Rajagopal, Rayapati Sambashiva Rao, Sabbam Hari, and G V Harsha Kumar have all openly raised the banner of revolt. Does this mean that they are going to be disqualified from the Lok Sabha under the anti-defections rule? Or will they have to vote against the government actually for the anti-defections provisions to trigger?