India-US Strategic News and Discussion

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 28 Dec 2013 07:39

Jhujar wrote: . And the issue of the treatment of domestic help does not resonate in India as it does in the United States; nearly all officials in New Delhi have maids working dawn to dusk six to seven days a week, and generally earning even less than Ms. Richard did.
India has undertaken punitive measures that

Psy-ops by Jewish-christian racist NYT

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 28 Dec 2013 07:44

Given Indias entanglement with US,it is no good for us to escalate the issue.

One good thing is we know the role earmarked for christianity in US plans to undermine India.We need to cap,roll and eliminate the churchs subversive activities.

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 28 Dec 2013 08:18

svenkat wrote:Given Indias entanglement with US,it is no good for us to escalate the issue.

One good thing is we know the role earmarked for christianity in US plans to undermine India.We need to cap,roll and eliminate the churchs subversive activities.

Christian groups have enormous influence in US plans. In particular they have more political support in US presidency. Hindu, and Budhdhist groups have very little to no influence in US plans. Even many of the NGOs from US have stealth presence of Christian influence. Most hindus in India have no idea what is going on.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Dec 2013 08:58

phew! hindus in India have no influence in Indian plans itself... what are you heading into?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2013 09:09

svenkat wrote:
Jhujar wrote: . And the issue of the treatment of domestic help does not resonate in India as it does in the United States; nearly all officials in New Delhi have maids working dawn to dusk six to seven days a week, and generally earning even less than Ms. Richard did.
India has undertaken punitive measures that
Psy-ops by Jewish-christian racist NYT

Half of Silicon Valley has maids and the other half are maids.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2013 09:11

ramana wrote:Theo by speculating about DK's husband you are crossing the line. Please don't do that.

ramana

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1565912

Theo, One more speculation on DK's husband you get a warning just like others got for similar extraneous issues into this thread.

ramana

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Dec 2013 09:25

Theo_Fidel wrote:Chanakya,

The claim has been that the remaining amount was paid in India. Meaning ~Rs 60,000 pm. This is not allowed by law. Also there is no proof of this. The CNN article presents no proof either.

Not to say SR is pure white dove. She wanted immigration and change of status. Not very different than all those H1-B who file for change of status.

Understand the power dynamic. SR was the employee and DK the employer. Who has power over whom.

SR wants to be in USA and DK wants to be in India. I say we grant them their wish and call it good.

Well its SR claim vs DK Claim. Being GC Chasers, Maid would resort to all sorts of antics based on advice of her immigration Lawyers since they are known to play all tricks, Maid chasers. Unfortunately misreading of contract could result in such a situation is beyond my comprehension.

Small fact correction that only INR 30000 to be paid in India and that is based on SR request. How that is not allowed when IBDA is not subject to labour Laws or even wage related stipulations.

There is proof and then there are proofs but since case does not fall in US Jurisdiction , why to present. SR Letter is convincing enough that she was happy. Nobody forced her to write that.

Power dynamics has nothing to do with that. DK is A-1 Visa holder and SR is corresponding A-3 Visa holder. SR could have returned to India anyday.

But that is not all. If USA wants all Indian maids to immigrate to US why should we bother. All maids would be happy. Make Visa regime simple for such labour. India has been arguing about untrained labour in ILO and WTO for decades together. US has been stonewalling that. They should allow migration of Indians , trained and untrained , to US simple and easy. We would rather welcome. That would also address the issue of exploitation as Maids would have one more avenue to seek better future and Indians would be constrained to pay higher wages just as it happens in case of ITVTy crops.

Why special treatment to SR. The only obvious answer is that SR is no ordinary maid. She and her husband had deep links at levels of USG which ordinary Indians can't dream of. She was able to move right up to Kerry and ex-filtrate her family. She is sleeper cell in India a part of espionage ring , methinks. Had to be extracted to prevent leaks. My Fav CT.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 28 Dec 2013 09:32

Chindu's take on it article dated 12/27: http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 505057.ece
‘Devyani case just the beginning of tensions’
Ananth Krishnan
"The row over the treatment of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade by U.S. authorities was “just the beginning” of tensions between New Delhi and Washington, a commentary in a Party-run Chinese newspaper said Thursday. With Chinese strategic analysts closely following the developments in the case and what impact it would have on India-U.S. ties, the commentary said there were “risks that may explode any moment” because of a mismatch in expectations from both sides.
“Indians see humiliating their diplomat as seriously jeopardising India’s international image,” wrote Liu Zongyi, a scholar at the Shanghai Institutes for International Studies, in an article published by the Global Times, a tabloid known for its nationalistic views published by the People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s official paper.
“India has perceived itself as a power with a global influence and a relatively high international status. It requests due respect from other powers,” the commentary said.
It, however, said the media and political parties were “responsible for exaggerating the Khobragade case” and “hyping issues related to national pride.”
While noting that India’s ties with the U.S. had been deepened recently with both countries speaking of “a natural alliance,” Mr. Liu said there were other “risks that may explode any moment. The two have different expectations of bilateral ties: India hopes to rely on the U.S. to improve [its]international position… but it is unwilling to be a tool of the U.S. in containing China........"
Gautam

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Dec 2013 09:36

Anyone know how SR meet up with DK, advertisement, word of mouth, recommendation?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2013 09:41

saip wrote:Anyone know how SR meet up with DK, advertisement, word of mouth, recommendation?

The last. Please do read the past pages.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Dec 2013 09:54

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1566275

So Diggy raja was informing on Indian politicians to two bit US diplomats?
How come he is still throwing his wait around?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Dec 2013 10:04

Many members , being egalitarian and enamored of American practices of doing household chores by themselves and questioning the need to keep domestic help, may like to know that American officials working in india are getting advice on keeping domestic help. Sample this and tell us why do they need them, can't they do their work by themselves and can't afford HBDA

Even Indians of moderate circumstances have household help. Most households require at least two household staff, and you may need more, depending on your family size. You may have to replace staff members, or even the whole staff, before you achieve the right combination. Staff management can be difficult and requires patience and good nature. Some staff require constant supervision, especially on cleanliness, market prices, storage and use of food supplies, and personal effects.

The number of household help needed and their salaries differ according to individual households, with varying emphasis on their responsibility and ability. Below are examples of staff responsibilities. Many families employ one or more "all in one" helpers who combine the functions of cook, maid/houseboy, and nanny.

Housekeeper. Cleans the house, dusts, windows and appliances, runs errands and does small shopping. Does laundry if no dhobi is employed. Provides basic care for pets. May also prepare meals on the cook’s day off or if she or he is the only servant in a small household.

Cook/Chef. Plans the meals with you; informs you of what is on the market and does shopping; keeps a kitchen account book, which you should check; cleans vegetables and fruits; cleans the kitchen; does the dishes.

Nanny/"Ayah." Takes care of children, cleans their room, mends their clothing, and sees that it comes back from the launderer in good condition. May help with general housework if the family is small.

Why Americans need them, they can do the work by themselves

Driver. Acts as chauffeur, purchases gas and oil, and keeps your car in good operating condition. May run errands, make small purchases or payments depending on ability. May help the housekeeper with heavy lifting.

Gardener/ "Mali." Tends the lawn, shrubs, flowers, etc. Keeps lawn furniture and gate clean and can clean after pets if arranged in advance. May help the housekeeper with heavy lifting. Some people employ a sweeper as well to clean sidewalks, the patio and outside windows.

Watchman/"Chowkidar." The Embassy generally provides residential guards from 8:30 PM to 6:30 AM at leased housing. The Embassy residential enclave and Baghwan Dass compound are guarded 24 hours a day. Residential guards may be hired at personal cost for the day-time hours at leased housing.

Laundryman/"Dhobi." Washes and irons your laundry using your washing machine, dryer and iron. Depending on the size of your household, he may come in once or twice a week.

Indian domestic staff depend on their employers. Salaries are paid monthly in rupees and are considered quite affordable by western standards. The median monthly salaries for a full-time cook is $100; for a housekeeper, $100; for an ayah, $100; for a driver $120. (pittance even by Indian standards, but why they are not paying wages applicable in US when they claim their Mission and residences are US territory)Annual bonuses (1 month’s salary if the employee has worked at least a year, prorated for shorter periods) are given at Diwali, Christmas, or Eid depending on the servant's religious preference. The employer customarily provides uniforms and/or clothing; some employers provide tea, uniforms and/or clothing as well as some medical expenses. Overtime is given usually to drivers, to housekeepers borrowed from another household for special functions, and to your own servants who do extra work. Depending on house size and your individual preferences, one or two domestic staff normally live in. Most houses (but not all) have staff quarters. Very few Americans provide quarters allowance for servants living elsewhere.

All household staff should have a pre-employment physical examination and annual stool tests and chest x-rays. As of June 2005, the range in cost for full physicals was $10-$30; x-rays were $15. Domestic employees who are dismissed by you for any reason other than wrongdoing (e.g., if you leave post or your needs change) should be given severance pay at the rate of 1 month’s salary for each full year worked and a prorated portion of a month’s salary for employment periods of less than full years. If the employee resigns, you are not obliged to give severance pay but may want to give "service pay," something like a thank-you bonus; the amount is at your discretion.

The Domestic Staff Registry, operated by the American Women's Association (AWA), acts as an employment agency (Do they have license from labour dept to work as employment agency)to serve both American families and those who want to work for them. Employers are encouraged to consult the Domestic Staff Registry evaluations (chits) written by former employers before hiring, and, in turn, to write accurate evaluations at the end of their servant's employment. There are also domestic listings in the Post’s newsletter, the India Ink.

http://www.ediplomat.com/np/post_reports/pr_in.htm

Families usually employ one or two servants. Those with a car often choose to hire a driver. Many domestics are available, but good ones are difficult to find on the open market. However, post has a tradition of handing down domestic servants from one officer to the next. Consequently, many domestics with several years of USG service are available. Wages for cooks/housekeepers stand at approximately Rs. 4000--4400 (roughly $85.00--$90.00) per month. The four apartments share a Dhobi, or laundryman, who spends one day a week at each flat, and does the laundry there. Each officer pays the Dhobi Rs. 600 (approximately $13.00) per month. The Dhobi uses the apartment's washer and dryer, and also irons and hangs clothing.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Dec 2013 11:27

Parking versus barriers, high-security lows

India had first considered removing barriers from outside the US embassy in Delhi earlier this year in retaliation for a security risk created for its embassy in Washington DC.

It didn’t go through with it then but did not hesitate a few months later when diplomat Devyani Khobragade was arrested and strip-searched in New York on December 12.

New Delhi hit back with a bunch of retaliatory measures of which the barriers appear to have hit the US most, raising for them the prospect of a repeat of Benghazi.

But India’s security concerns are no less, having suffered deadly attacks on its embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan twice, losing a top diplomat and an army officer in one of them.

Indian diplomats driving in to work at the DC embassy - 2107 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington - one May morning noted with alarm a crucial road signage was missing.

It had said “Diplomatic cars only”, and had reserved a small stretch of parking on an inner lane running right past the embassy entrance for vehicles belonging to the mission.

But more than the convenience of reserved parking, much cherished by diplomats working there, the strip secured the front of the embassy from a Times Square kind of bombing attempt.

A vehicle packed with explosives was found parked at Times Square in New York in 2010 just before it could explode killing hundreds in one of the city’s top tourist destinations.

The Indian embassy lodged a protest with the state department the same day pointing out the security risk, among other issues. It was told to get in touch with the DC government instead.

As advised, the embassy wrote to the DC government, without any success. And the Ministry of External Affairs took it up with the US embassy in Delhi, also without any result.

That was the first time Indian considered retaliating by removing the barriers - traffic barriers, not security barriers, a source insisted - outside the US embassy.

The barriers - concrete structures that prevent close access to the embassy - were installed at the request of the Americans in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

It was tough to turn them down then. And the barriers stayed there ever since, to continuing discomfort of other embassies on that road - the French and Swedish.

But it’s hard to feel any sympathy for the US this time around, a source said, after the way Khobragade was arrested and treated in custody of the US Marshals.

It was time the US understood security concerns of other countries. That patch outside the DC embassy is just as important as the barriers in Delhi, another source added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 11:38

ramana wrote:http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1566275

So Diggy raja was informing on Indian politicians to two bit US diplomats?
How come he is still throwing his wait around?

Because his bosses are doing the same and nobody thinks it is a big deal. I mentioned such liaisons a few pages before. I am really concerned about the US tentacles spread all over the place. We have been reduced to the position of Pakistan by these unauthorized contacts.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Dec 2013 11:39

SSridhar wrote:Kerry and whether they are washing their hands off now and implicating a MUTU.

I am sorry but Ms. Nisha D. Biswal is an American. There is nothing like MUTU just because she has a POI sounding name.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 28 Dec 2013 11:41

Documents suggest that Devyani 'overpaid' her maid Sangeeta
A Motorola tablet, Shehnaz Hussein cosmetics, expensive perfume, her own TV set: apart from a salary of $1400, those were some of the luxuries that Sangeeta Richard, domestic help of India's deputy consul general in New York Devyani Khobragade, received from her employer.
Documents available with Mail Today show that Richards was getting more than the US-stipulated $1374.75 she was to be paid.

vic · Post by **vic** » 28 Dec 2013 11:53

The salary being paid by US embassy is one third of what I am paying and one fifth of the going market rate in that area

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 28 Dec 2013 11:57

SSridhar wrote:
ramana wrote:http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1566275

So Diggy raja was informing on Indian politicians to two bit US diplomats?
How come he is still throwing his wait around?
Because his bosses are doing the same and nobody thinks it is a big deal. I mentioned such liaisons a few pages before. I am really concerned about the US tentacles spread all over the place. We have been reduced to the position of Pakistan by these unauthorized contacts.

BTW there are LOT(thousands) more such cables, simply do "site:wikileaks.org Uzra Zeya" in google. Lot of them dealing with Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran Division(DK was part of this division): Google "site:wikileaks.org Uzra Zeya Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran"

Lot of these are related to Iran, requesting India to pressure Iran on different issues.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Dec 2013 12:13

vic wrote:The salary being paid by US embassy is one third of what I am paying and one fifth of the going market rate in that area

but USA is already a utopia so this is totally different than Hindus mistreating lower caste/class, no bleeding heart propaganda is to be made here, no explicit execution of uniform application of laws by USA SD- even when Indians in same area pay more than USA high level diplomats. No one seems to notice how Hindus are pointed fingers at, but USA diplomats paying less are not considered worse or labelled as elitist etc.

USA classes enjoyed slavery for hundreds of years, independence for hundreds of years, superpower status for decades and this is the situation. So why can't USA diplomats get domestic help from USA for most exotic utopian chores, instead of recommending officially all-in-one maid at low wages? On the other hand, few generations after independence, Indians are managing well but the lady diplomat is treated like common new York druggard. The propaganda in new York seem to ignore this simple fact to begin with.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Dec 2013 14:11

svenkat wrote:Given Indias entanglement with US,it is no good for us to escalate the issue.

The way I see it the "entanglement" goes both ways so as much as US can hurt India the same thing will be done by India to US. So the question actually is whether US at this stage will be able to tide over retaliatory measures taken by India ???

When US retaliatory measures post Pokhran couldn't stop us then how come you are saying that retaliating to US will be bad to India ??? Instead of firing one line warning shots go ahead and explain what India stands to lose here.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Dec 2013 14:21

Atri wrote:so it seems, all this WAS in fact to extradite the richards family.. wonder why were they so important..

that said, I expected certain degree of finesse and polished behavior from amirkhan. I mean superpower and all, CIA should move around like smooth-operators. this reliance on coarse behavior and brute force is unbecoming of calling themselves a worthy successor of British EMpire. At least when it came to covert operations, Brits definitely were smooth operators than amirkhan.

When did British empire became a gold standard which needs to be "succeeded" by another worthy ???

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 14:25

matrimc wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Kerry and whether they are washing their hands off now and implicating a MUTU.
I am sorry but Ms. Nisha D. Biswal is an American. There is nothing like MUTU just because she has a POI sounding name.

Of course, she is an American by citizenship. Legally speaking, she cannot be a MUTU as she is already Uncle (or Aunt). But, to her boss Kerry & his ilk, she is an American all right but of Indian origin. Hence the desire to be a MUT[blue-blooded]U to prove one's own loyalty.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 14:28

From the ToI article,

The US continues to seek more time for submitting details sought by India, including salaries paid to all Indian staff employed at the US consulates, citing Christmas and New Year vacations. They have also not filed the details of salaries paid to Indian staff and others in their schools in Delhi and Chennai.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 14:30

Why Diplomatic Immunity Matters - Praveen Swami, The Hindu

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 28 Dec 2013 14:59

SSridhar wrote:From the ToI article,
The US continues to seek more time for submitting details sought by India, including salaries paid to all Indian staff employed at the US consulates, citing Christmas and New Year vacations. They have also not filed the details of salaries paid to Indian staff and others in their schools in Delhi and Chennai.

Are there any Indian Laws against race or nationality based discrimination in wages?

If these places are considered American territories, then may be even US laws are applicable, and law suits can be filed in US?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 15:02

a_bharat wrote:Are there any Indian Laws against discrimination on the basis of race and nationality?

I don't know, but it will certainly knock the Americans off the high moral pedestal they have been assuming regarding 'slavery', 'wages' etc. We have to characterize such a discrimination, if any, as 'racial'.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 28 Dec 2013 15:27

Praveen swamis article is good,but misses out on following:
1)India is a friendly nation.Why humiliate DK?
2)The manner of arrest.
3)India and US were in continuous dialogue.US unilateral action and surreptiously.
4)This informal arrangement was on for some time.By all accounts,Sangeetas case was the norm,not the exception.According to Shashi Tharoor,about 1000 diplomats from 100 developing countries are in similar predicament.
5)The wages were ok by current norms.
6)Evacuation of Philip and child-a serious defiance of Indian sovereignity.

SagarG,
IT industry employs thousands of people and brings billlions of $ revenue ,to cite one important issue.Thousands of India who go to US for higher education which is another.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Dec 2013 16:39

svenkat wrote:SagarG,
IT industry employs thousands of people and brings billlions of $ revenue ,to cite one important issue.Thousands of India who go to US for higher education which is another.

Both of which provides US with billions of $ in return as well, so by damaging it's relationship with India who stands to lose more ??? IT opportunity in India is so vast and is such a huge potential market which US will never be so if US stops giving them business then they will find other markets especially within the country. US is not the be all and end all market for IT. To top that where will US find a better alternative ??? China !!!

. How so much Obama farts about "outsourcing" US can't switch from one service provider to another on the drop of a hat. It doesn't have that much human resource, hence a land of immigrants it is.

Similarly there are enough "higher education" opportunities in India there is no need to run to US universities, people do that more so for the job opportunities rather than the "higher education" and again US is not the end all and be all for higher education.

Come with better examples next time around which can hold their ground otherwise you are just scaremongering and projecting your insecurities in the name of Indian interests.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Dec 2013 16:49

It's mindblowing that so many people really believe that the US needs India more for IT purposes than the other way around. Must be the result of all the India shining type of propaganda from the TV channels.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 28 Dec 2013 17:31

US can very well take away it's "IT services" if it wishes to, India won't be poorer without it. Everybody isn't a fan of the "American dream"

neither falls for western propagandu.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 28 Dec 2013 17:31

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/india-seeks-po ... 37713.html

She was temporarily moved to India's U.N. mission in August to help with the workload ahead of the General Assembly session and a visit by the prime minister. A copy of her accreditation, made available to Reuters, lists her as an adviser for a period from August 26 until December 31.
...
According to the U.N. Manual of Protocol website (http://www.un.int/protocol/3_6.html), U.N. accreditation alone does not appear to grant diplomatic immunity, it simply gives Khobragade access to U.N. headquarters in New York.

The manual says a country's U.N. ambassador must write to the U.N. secretary-general to request privileges and immunities for individual diplomats. The United Nations then submits this to the U.S. mission to the United Nations for approval.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Dec 2013 17:55

>> The manual says a country's U.N. ambassador must write to the U.N. secretary-general to request privileges and immunities for individual diplomats.

This is what is mentioned on the website linked above.

" Diplomatic personnel of permanent missions who perform diplomatic functions and hold diplomatic rank are entitled to the privileges and immunities mentioned above. Permanent Representatives should, in a letter addressed to the Secretary-General, request that all necessary arrangements be made, specifying the member's diplomatic rank and order of precedence in his/her mission. The Protocol and Liaison Service will not process the applications submitted in the form of a note verbale."

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 28 Dec 2013 18:08

http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel ... County.pdf

741 F.2d 1328
United States Court of Appeals, Eleventh Circuit.
H.R.H. Prince Turki Bin ABDULAZIZ, et al., Plaintiffs-Appellees,

In this action, Prince Turki was apparently eligible for, but had not been granted diplomatic status at the time he initiated his § 1983 suit. After the action was commenced and the counterclaims were filed, he sought and was granted diplomatic status by the State Department.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Dec 2013 18:18

reality is a saudi, chinese, russian or OECD diplomat caught with pants down at 12 noon attempting to make love to the seated statue of a national icon on the washington mall would be let loose under some cover or the other.

the only rule is the rule of raw power and the ability to bribe the imperial elites/and or/inflict punishment.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2013 18:19

India Hardens Stance, Seeks US Tax Violations - ToI

India has sought details about staff in American schools in the country for possible tax violations and revoked ID cards of US consular officials and their families, retaliatory steps for the arrest of its diplomat in New York.

The measures suggest that the two countries are no closer to a resolution of a diplomatic dispute over the treatment of deputy consul general Devyani Khobragade this month on charges of visa fraud and underpayment of her housekeeper.

A government official said on Friday that New Delhi had asked the US embassy to provide details about people working in American schools and other US government facilities to determine if they had permission to do so and if they were paying taxes that are mandatory under Indian law.

Diplomats' spouses who take up work in schools or other embassy facilities are supposed to inform the host country.

Violations of this kind had often been ignored, but now India would not turn a blind eye, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The US embassy declined to comment on the latest steps.

This has probably come after the meetings of S.Jaishankar with SD officials.

On the issue of the details that GoI has asked and which the US embassy is delaying to give, the US tactics is to let their personnel leave the country rather than being caught here.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Dec 2013 18:25

One aspect to this story that isn't getting much detail is that MEA is probably really pissed off at the NSA spying of Indian missions in the US. They aren't going to let the DK affair slide. Let's see what happens on Jan. 13 when the case has its initial hearing.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Dec 2013 18:29

SSridhar wrote:India Hardens Stance, Seeks US Tax Violations - ToI
India has sought details about staff in American schools in the country for possible tax violations and revoked ID cards of US consular officials and their families, retaliatory steps for the arrest of its diplomat in New York.

The measures suggest that the two countries are no closer to a resolution of a diplomatic dispute over the treatment of deputy consul general Devyani Khobragade this month on charges of visa fraud and underpayment of her housekeeper.

A government official said on Friday that New Delhi had asked the US embassy to provide details about people working in American schools and other US government facilities to determine if they had permission to do so and if they were paying taxes that are mandatory under Indian law.

Diplomats' spouses who take up work in schools or other embassy facilities are supposed to inform the host country.

Violations of this kind had often been ignored, but now India would not turn a blind eye, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The US embassy declined to comment on the latest steps.
This has probably come after the meetings of S.Jaishankar with SD officials.

On the issue of the details that GoI has asked and which the US embassy is delaying to give, the US tactics is to let their personnel leave the country rather than being caught here.

The ones that will leave are trouble makers anyway. Those who have a genuine interest in India will remain. This works good for both India and the US.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 28 Dec 2013 20:13

Come with better examples next time around which can hold their ground otherwise you are just scaremongering and projecting your insecurities in the name of Indian interests.

Theres no need to get personal.This is an internet forum where each is expressing their opinions,some more informed,some less so.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 28 Dec 2013 20:19

^^ No, everyone leaving now must be questioned about their activities while in India and their answers verified as far as possible before being allowed to leave. Maybe most of those in violation of Indian laws will get away, leaving their families behind maybe, but those who don't should get the full treatment. Reciprocity all the way.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Dec 2013 21:10

If they are spouses it is unlikely they will leave.