Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:49

Ulan Batori hajoor,
CNN is spewing all this bakwaas. Just saw wolfie regurgitating this

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 07:52

Lots of vacancies at top layer of PRC Satellite Program.
They took photos of two boats parked next to each other, and called it airplane parts.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:53

Wasn't there a TWA or some aircraft that crashed off the coast of Maine back in the 80s? The plane was off the coast, and some people on the sea shore saw a flash in the sky at a distance.
The US Navy was testing missiles nearby too.
On that occasion, there was an explosion in one of the fuel tanks, the control cables were damaged and the plane had a big hole in the side of the fuselage. It then proceeded to ascend near vertically to some crazy altitude and then came down sharply and hit the ocean.
NTSB held it usual post mortem meet with all the relatives and media, and they had a computer simulation of what happened.
They said that the passengers, most of them might have been alive, though not fully conscious until the final impact!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:54

The cheenis are probably in Le-ejjucason camps by now

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 08:26

CRamS wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Watching Maasa news after a long time. CNN has been covering this for the last 2 hours now. They are ruling out catastrophic events.
Ditto. I have long given up on maasa news propaganda, except browsing through NYT headlines and business/technology section over coffee. CNN is usually at its best during times like this where they have reporters all over the place, and give the latest details. Anyway, I am no expert, but I do know maasa in and out (AmberJi doesn't think so though ), and to this end, its in maasa's supreme national interests to have this be anything but some catastrophic mechanical/electrical/structural failure. Simply because Boeing's reputation is at stake, and with large number of emerging economy countries as potential buyers of jets, Boeing could take a hit if this turns out to be some catastrophic on-board failure, and Airbus could gain. So while I am learning a lot from the experts on CNN, I keep this at the back of mind. Plus, if this was sabotage, or that would be the conclusion reached persuasive or not to us passive observers, more $s for homeland security, defense industry etc.

If it is not sabotage, hijack or shot down; and it is because of a failure and the plane disintegrated or sank. We should expect debris. With so many countries scouting the area, it would be mighty tough to keep the news capped. There is bound to be civilian and military personnel who know certain things, and it is bound to be leaked. That leakage would be a bigger blow - hiding a crime backfires more than the actual crime.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2014 08:30

If it is so easy for civvies then ..

http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercri ... k-airplane

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 15 Mar 2014 08:53

So Plane Spolit is evil twin brother (who is out of closet) of Stunext what next?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Mar 2014 09:20

CT again,
Where will be next interesting thing happen out and after this MH flight drama,
Ukraine
Syria
Chechnya
Uigherland
Peking/ Naat Shanghai as it will effect world economies
Rangoon
Vizag
Chennai
NOKO
Tokyo

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Mar 2014 09:22

Nijalingappa wrote:So Plane Spolit is evil twin brother (who is out of closet) of Stunext what next?

If John Snowden had been a woman would he have been a spinster?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 09:24

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-ai ... ing-plane/

Open mouth, insert feet. Do not stop.

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 09:27

Hijack confirmed. Malaysian PM to make a statement shortly.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 054034.cms

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2014 09:36

Have the Malayasians determined who did it? Or still making up stuff.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Mar 2014 09:39

Pakisatans wanting to go to Australia most probably

If hijack is true

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 09:41

ramana wrote:Have the Malayasians determined who did it? Or still making up stuff.

Good question considering how unreliable they have been so far.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Mar 2014 09:46

JE Menon wrote:Pakisatans wanting to go to Australia most probably

If hijack is true

Don't blame Pakistanis. Pakistanis have suffered from being high and being jacked more than anyone else on earth. The world is to blame for this.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 15 Mar 2014 10:06

The official, who is involved in the investigation, told the Associated Press no motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to brief the media.

the plane is intact, and they knewn it all along ??

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w ... 6855315871

they knewn so much , but didnt say , why ???

vasu raya · Post by **vasu raya** » 15 Mar 2014 10:13

from the above cbsnews article,

"What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," a senior Malaysian police official told Reuters.

The New York Times, quoting American officials and others familiar with the investigation, reported on Friday that the flight altered its course more than once after it lost contact with ground control and that it made significant changes in altitude. The Times said radar signals appear to show the airplane climbing to 45,000 feet and making a sharp turn to the west. That altitude is above the approved limit for a Boeing 777-200.

Then, the Times reported, the plane descended unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the island of Penang, where it climbed again and flew northwest toward the Indian Ocean.

if it was autopilot it wouldn't let the aircraft exceed the altitude of planes spec, it could be somebody with mil background. Then from the second part what is the need to descend, its not likely that they can have a visual of Penang at night before deciding against landing there, were they planning a low pass if they cross land? or collecting cell phone messages for final rendezvous?

wig · Post by **wig** » 15 Mar 2014 10:15

Rupert Murdoch has weighed in on the plane's disappearance World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -live.html

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 10:33

Malay PM conference is live on many channels. e.g. skynews. if skynews is inaccesible then try livestation.com or similar.

saip · Post by **saip** » 15 Mar 2014 10:44

It is not on yet. Keep saying will be there shortly.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Mar 2014 10:48

shiv wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Pakisatans wanting to go to Australia most probably
Don't blame Pakistanis. Pakistanis have suffered from being high and being jacked more than anyone else on earth. The world is to blame for this.

High On Izzlaam & Jacked and Shagged By Big Khaan they get no Izzat or Maan but Low Daam in exchng of Kaam .

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 11:26

Did Malay PM just say something about Kazakhstan? It seemed like he was referring to the range..my livestream got interrupted. Did anyone catch that?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Mar 2014 11:28

Wall St Journal indicates last satellite contact with MH370 was at 8:11am Malaysian time, presumably on the day it disappeared.

Added: states aircraft probably along Thailand-Kazakhstan or Indonesia-south India corridor.

The former seems unlikely, considering it would have crossed several civilian airspaces without anyone bothering to figure out why someone was flying with transponders off.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Mar 2014 11:30

partha wrote:Did Malay PM just say something about Kazakhstan? It seemed like he was referring to the range..my livestream got interrupted. Did anyone catch that?

MH370 1 of 2 corridors: Kazakhstan to Thailand, or Indonesia to Southern Indian Ocean.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 11:34

partha wrote:Did Malay PM just say something about Kazakhstan? It seemed like he was referring to the range..my livestream got interrupted. Did anyone catch that?

Two tracks -- one as far as Kazakhstan. The other southern track ends in indian ocean. Just flight pathways, not plane range. Now "pings" upto 6 hours later, so who knows.

All he said was: we confirm its a Grand Conspiracy(TM UB Ct inc).

Grand Conspiracy: 1?, Accident/etc: 1*

* until verification, detection od debris, something factual and not amenable to foot-in-mouth disease.

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 11:39

This is what ToI says -

Malaysian PM Razak on MH370: Based on new data, location of last communication was at possibly at border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan

Or that's how ToI interpreted.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 11:44

partha wrote:This is what ToI says -

Malaysian PM Razak on MH370: Based on new data, location of last communication was at possibly at border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan
Or that's how ToI interpreted.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... e/6195291/

5 people with fake passports. 2 eyeranians - not it. 1 chinese - not it. who were the other two?

2 - ukrainians. this is crimea related?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 15 Mar 2014 11:46

How the hell did it reach there without being detected by Indian radars and unkil radar in Afg.

What could be the flight path that goes completely undetected all the way to Kazakhstan.

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 11:48

Shreeman wrote: 2 - ukrainians. this is crimea related?

That did cross my mind. Someone did this to complicate the matters in Ukraine or to divert the world's attention from Russian invasion of Crimea.. but too far fetched I think.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 15 Mar 2014 11:51

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ience.html

Are there any strategic Indian establishments in the redzone on Indian territory?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 11:52

LokeshC wrote:How the hell did it reach there without being detected by Indian radars and unkil radar in Afg.

What could be the flight path that goes completely undetected all the way to Kazakhstan.

Who knows. This would be thailand/myanmar/tibet/central asia/long way around. makes no sense why you would criss cross malaysia. but there you have it. if we get a demand to stop the referendum tomorrow, then we will know.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Mar 2014 12:03

I am doing this scenario analysis and I have a related question to ask: Is there any other way apart from plane comm system for the flight deck to contact people not on board which cannot be intercepted by satellites or regional atc or anyone else competent enough?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 12:07

nawabs wrote:I am doing this scenario analysis and I have a related question to ask: Is there any other way apart from plane comm system for the flight deck to contact people not on board which cannot be intercepted by satellites or regional atc or anyone else competent enough?

under 10,000 feet, cellphones work.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 15 Mar 2014 12:09

Too much Doppler shift.... they will camp, but signal fading would cause your call to be dropped in a millisec.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 15 Mar 2014 12:09

Shreeman wrote:
LokeshC wrote:How the hell did it reach there without being detected by Indian radars and unkil radar in Afg.

if we get a demand to stop the referendum tomorrow, then we will know.

CTs are not allowed to push the flying envelope !

How can anyone pressurize Putin with a Malaysian airliner full of Chinese passengers ?

To my mind the plane is on ground, passengers safe and suffering. The Chinese being squeezed dry in a wringer.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 15 Mar 2014 12:12

But this report indicates it ain't possible at that height.

http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/cell-air.htm

And as far as I know, towers do have doppler effect compensator but for a max speed of around 100 mph

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 12:20

LokeshC wrote:Too much Doppler shift.... they will camp, but signal fading would cause your call to be dropped in a millisec.

One would imagine so at 30k.

But if you arent flying cruise speed, and under 10,000k, you stand a reasonable chance of making short calls. Lower the altitude, slower the speed, easier the problem.

nawabs: limited study, reliable communication with ground is not easy but internet is also full of reports of cellphones ringing if left on. clearly antenna design favors ground communication, so it depends on what sort of towers were in use. some devices might have more vertical signal leakage than others. example: http://www.911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

partha · Post by **partha** » 15 Mar 2014 12:20

If the predicted flight path over Indian mainland turns out to be true, GoI will have to face some tough questions.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 15 Mar 2014 12:29

Some more thoughts

1. The plane cannot cross the Indian mainland, the way depicted in the map, unless The Chinese/Malaysian governments requested India not to intercept it.

2. If India allowed it through, it landed somewhere in the STan/s, or else Myanmar/Thailand/Indonesia.

3. Once the Americans realized what was going on, they deliberately delayed the release of information to give a chance for the plan to succeed. So this solves why the information is coming out now.

RajSingh · Post by **RajSingh** » 15 Mar 2014 12:31

Guys relax.

The malay PM said that the plane could have done either north or south after leaving Straits of Malacca.

If it went north it could have reached till Kazakhstan and if south then till southern Indian Ocean. Somehow they are narrowing down to these two vertical zones.

They are not even sure if it went north or south. The satellite Pings do not tell position though Inmarsat has said that they can try to extrapolate the approx position depending on the angle of the signal received.

*TOI is toilet news.. never believe its "Breaking News especially.