Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Apr 2014 10:07

NN ? nandan nilekani ? why on earth for ?

geelani has said so and duly refuted by bjp as mischievous propaganda.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 19 Apr 2014 10:07

Jhujar wrote:Being Muslim Under Narendra Modi
BASHARAT PEER ( Trulely Secular and Neutral Fuddu)
Basharat Peer is the author of “Curfewed Night,” a memoir of the conflict in Kashmir.

Basharat Peer sahib will have no credibility till he also writes an article titled "Being Hindu in Kashmir." These people begin killing non-Muslims as soon as they get majority in any area, but it is amazing the way they squeal and cry murder when Muslims are roughed up by non-Muslims ...

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 19 Apr 2014 10:12

RM ji you have to go slow on the CTs. Most likely the B&W Kamal is one arrow for two targets.

One - probably they want to bring the contrasts out even more and train people to think in terms of contrasts. B&W, whether Kamal or WT_ invokes contrast first and foremost. Also the last most. Only the most disconnected, will begin to remember the EVM button seeing a B&W Kamal. That the EVM button is B&W may be an excuse (witness how a spineless RSN sounds exceedingly sure in the letter). You should be thankful for this because our people all across have been taken for a ride so friggin often because they allow themselves to believe to much of this 'Sub ek jaise hain' nonsense. In any case saffron is a colour of some importance. We are fast moving out of the phase where saffron was necessary to shake the moral existence of the country. Colour Saffron, Flower Kamal, Invocation of Dharma to crush a wrongful opponent, Tridevalaya carry a certain finality where even the mindfulness of contrasts and proportions is no longer going to serve the purpose. You begin to use your Brahmastra often enough and you may not even remain worthy of it. Most likely the RSS & NaMo team served up the B&W Kamal because they are working under the belief that saffron is being misused by some indolent set of people within the larger Sangh to hide behind instead of making use of it in the battle.

Secondly and more importantly the sidelining of Togadia dominant VHP, relaunch of the Saffron under BR, sidelining of oldtimers of BJP, re-assertion by Mohan Bhagwat ji, widening of the Hindu identity in the middle to upper middle class, is a trajectory that has been adopted post the last maxima of 161 that a strict Saffron only wave had generated in the most fertile of times. Hinduism has never grown in numbers by reason of evangelism. Hinduism has always grown in numbers by a widening of the net (after exercising due diligence where certain things are proscribed and certain other are prescribed). However this widening of the net has to come without the usage of the 'Sub ek jaise hain' nonsense. It has to come from a sinking of all efforts into a common pool + seeking all rewards from that common pool. This will require more than just Dharm ke thekedaar and will absolutely must require a re-assertion of the Dharmic identity in the masses something that was achieved by the IT Cell and BR types not by Togadias and LKA. These new people, who coincidentally work very well with each other, have earned their right to define themselves the way they want without somebody else rationing their saffron to them.

Basically you have been late to the dangal, having spent your time in activism of the legalistic kind, now please do not complain if you got lesser chance to fight the real fight. There will be other good fights and you can instigate/take forward, those new fights. The anti congress anti exploitation fight has best been managed by NaMo uptill now and he deserves all the leeway that he thinks he needs to take it forward.

Let this iteration of saffron also grow and you could end up seeing much more than you had bargained for. You begin to mess with it and 10-20 years down the line politicians hiding under saffron would not be able to hit even 161, ever.

REF:
Year Seats
1984 2
1989 85
1991 120
1996 161
1998 182
1999 182
2004 138
2009 116
2014 TBA

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 19 Apr 2014 10:33

krishnan wrote:NN says modi asked his help to resolve kashmir issue

Nanga Nehlegani ke haseen sapne. He must have been daydreaming. Why should Shri Modi ask this chapraasi for help in Kashmir issue, other than perhaps to humor him?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 19 Apr 2014 10:34

I think he is going to lose and getting loose motion after spending money like water

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 10:57

Gujarat’s other calling card

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... g-card/99/

Whether it is female infanticide or mortality, education or various health indicators, Modi’s Gujarat has done quite well.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 19 Apr 2014 12:06

Is MJ Akbar Shia?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Apr 2014 12:08

krishnan wrote:I think he is going to lose and getting loose motion after spending money like water

He had enough for congis from UIDAI

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Apr 2014 13:00

ShankarCag wrote:Is MJ Akbar Shia?

possible. does not "look" Ashraf of farsi extraction for sure.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 19 Apr 2014 13:32

Singha wrote:
ShankarCag wrote:Is MJ Akbar Shia?
possible. does not "look" Ashraf of farsi extraction for sure.

Ashraf's of Farsi extraction are Shias, but MJ Akbar is a Bengali. Bengali's are mostly Sunni's (also name suggests Sunni)

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 13:35

MJA is a Bihari with a Kashmiri mother if my memory serves me right. I confess I know very little about him apart form that.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 19 Apr 2014 13:42

Poor Priyamvada - attacked and criticized for her views on twitter - this is so much worse than for example, those blasteed Hindus who were attacked physically at deganga for their religion. So, much worse.

Priyamvada Gopal: Attacked on twitter for my column on Modi

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 19 Apr 2014 13:44

IIRC, MJAs grand-dad was a Kashmiri Hindu based in Bengal who converted to marry the Muslim daughter of his employer/benefactor or something like that. His son Prayag is named after his grand-dad.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Apr 2014 13:53

per Wiki

As per semi-fictional book written by M. J. Akbar, Blood Brothers – A Family Saga, he suggested that his grandfather was a Hindu named Prayag, who converted into Islam in Telinipara Situated in Hooghly Districts of West Bengal, a small jute-mill town north of Calcutta, acquired the name Rehmatullah and married a girl.[1] Akbar attended Calcutta Boys' School and later Presidency College, Calcutta where he attained a BA(Hons) in English between 1967 – 1970.[2]

Akbar is married to Mallika Joseph, his contemporary at The Times of India. They have two children, Prayaag and Mukulika.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Apr 2014 14:01

his grandpa was a foundling/orphan who was brought up by a muslim family. he converted to islam in adulthood.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 19 Apr 2014 14:09

https://twitter.com/kiranshaw/status/457427782083944448
Kiran Mazumdar Shaw
‏@kiranshaw
Electoral rolls in Karnataka were highly flawed on terms of duplication I sawy own name duplicated. So is % vote flawed as well?

This is a really crucial point. A lot of people have complained about duplicate names in the list. Since the voting %age is so high, who were casting the duplicate votes.

I really fear the DTD is at play here...

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 19 Apr 2014 14:13

April 17 may not have been a very good day for the BJP, if the reports (and possibly some rumors) of rampant voter list fraud and EVM problems are to be believed.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 19 Apr 2014 14:26

Shashi Shekhar of Offstumped claims that INC down to single digits in KA, while lotus has mostly reversed its 2013 losses.

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 19 Apr 2014 15:03

Bekaar Patel chaddi geeli'ing Narendra Modi critics, expect no quarter and no mercy

I shudder to think of what will become of Sharma and Setalvad and people like them after 16 May.

Foregone conclusion now ?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Apr 2014 15:08

bhargava wrote:Bekaar Patel chaddi geeli'ing Narendra Modi critics, expect no quarter and no mercy

I shudder to think of what will become of Sharma and Setalvad and people like them after 16 May.
Foregone conclusion now ?

No quarter and no mercy is preciusely what they deserve. Look at this instance. The anandabazar patrika is caught photoshopping a 1980 picture to depict the riot victims as Muslims when they were really Hindu.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Apr 2014 15:11

In,Karnataka at least, voter roll printed inside polling rooms had photos. Only few had missing photos.
so electoral officer would need to be hand in glove to let such mismatched faces through if someone wanted to vote on my duplicate entry anywhere.

i agree a lot of these farzi sikular shud be in jail fr things like the above.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Apr 2014 15:19

Writing is on the Wall.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 19 Apr 2014 15:25

^The presstitute scum is lost its monopoly on information/news and now is gonna loose its neck. Cry me a river, boo hoo

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Apr 2014 15:50

And boo woo freaking hoo to my fil as well
raul iz handsome and sincere
pg has the personality to command and lead country
due to illness he could not return and vote congi in home state.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 19 Apr 2014 17:29

Paging SaraLax: can you please confirm if you got the email with list of phone numbers to call? Last weekend before TN elections. Thanks in advance.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Apr 2014 17:37

seldon sahab, are you sure it's a 1980 pic ? AFAIK it's a recent pic from Jessore, BD.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Apr 2014 17:42

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Apr 2014 17:44

Rahul M wrote:seldon sahab, are you sure it's a 1980 pic ? AFAIK it's a recent pic from Jessore, BD.

I'm not sure at all, sir. If its recent from BD then all the more reason for a Modi sarkar to declare an open welcome (and aadhaar cards as well) to all persecuted Hindu families in BD (and Pak).

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Apr 2014 17:59

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 09965.aspx

Is it me imagining things or can you smell the desperation in the MSM and Mafia supporters?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Apr 2014 18:12

IIRC that pic appeared in bangla statesman recently. the caption refers to an incident in Jessore.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 19 Apr 2014 18:17

Paul wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 09965.aspx

Is it me imagining things or can you smell the desperation in the MSM and Mafia supporters?

Yes yes, I know, Casteism is in DNA of Biharis. Just wait to see the result on 16th. It will prove itself to be Casteist dharmic.

We need to know about AP only. If it gives Congis more seats ,like it did in previous elections, they would be near about 80-90.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Apr 2014 18:32

Is the recent geelani claim on modi, an attempt to trap NaMo and incite a sound byte out of him? fishing expedition by napakis?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 19 Apr 2014 18:40

President Kalam endorses Modi.

India can be saved only if Narendra Modi is elected as PM
http://www.indiatribune.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=460

This is from the article and NOT a quote from Dr Kalam.

Sonia Gandhi has made India a third-rate country. India is weak militarily and economically. India has poor infrastructure, unhygienic sanitary conditions and it suffers from extreme poverty. There is a severe shortage of water and power in the counry. India produces goods with poor manufacturing quality. India buys military hardware and weapons because it cannot manufacture in the country. The so-called IT sector of India is at the mercy of the USA. India has not made any thing original; it is just depending on outsourcing, which is feeding the youth to be more modern than the so-called modern people in the US. This is likely to be curtailed by the USA at any time. And India will suffer tremendously. India has no real R&D activity, no creativity and no innovation.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Apr 2014 18:46

^well the blame should also go to ADMK-amma's fault.. prez kalam sees next door hygiene states much better than TN. jmt

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 19 Apr 2014 18:49

2 of the biggest sources of trash in TN are state-run, the TASMAC shops and the Amma hand me outs err subsidised food centres.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Apr 2014 19:03

Anecdotal input for the forum member about some sort of undercurrent in south. While at a technical unit at Bangalore, which has lots of contracted technical staff almost 80% tamil, was approached by three different guys during a coffee break, to check with what i think of modi! they knew i am from Mumbai and from land of modi. All would be in late 20's all said they going to go back home to vote for modi in tamilnadu on 24th. They have been working in Bangalore from 4 to 6 years. All three said they have already made up their mind about voting for modi and were sold on his development plank specifically about reliable power 24/7. I asked if their view was also shared by many in their circle and was told almost 70% of under 30 in their group ( about 15 in group of 21) are going to vote for NDA candidate in their constituency and they wanted me to answer few things to try and modify the remaining guys. None of them has ever voted for any party other then regional ones before. I would say modi wave sure has reached deep south.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 19 Apr 2014 19:14

How would Modi achieve 365 days 24x7 power supply throughout India, has he mentioned specifics of this apart from mention of auction proceeds to be used for infrastructure. Would a 10 year timeline be sufficient for such a mammoth exercise?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Apr 2014 19:17

One low hanging fruit would be get 20,000 MW worth of power plants regular supply of coal so that they can start supplying power. He has referred to this in multiple meetings.

Distribution and collecting bills is more challenging than producing power as it is B2C.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 19:18

20,000 MW capacity idle for the lack of coal. So start importing coal to get the plants up and running and power promise flowing.

Followup with
1. Lean on Coal India to increase production.
2. Start resolving issues blocking new mines. Single window clearance with strict production deadlines to private companies.

Will initially cost money spent on imported coal that can progressively be replaced by Indian coal as and when new production comes online.

That way you hit many targets
1. Lot of NPA in banks tied to power sector and power projects.
2. Immediate improvement in power situation will lead to voter confidence.
3. More power available for industry.
4. Start the next cycle of investment in the power sector by getting the last cycle working and profitable.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 19 Apr 2014 19:23

Will a Gujarat model separate power line for farming needs be feasible pan India? Wouldnt that be a call the local power boards take?

I am an ardent Modi supporter but somehow 24x7 power supply through the length and breadth of India seems like snake oil to me without local govt support. I dont see Mayawati or cycle party working closely with Modi's people at all.