India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2015 11:37

jews have been in greece since 4 th century BC apparently.

Greece had a large population of Sephardi Jews, and is a historical center of Sephardic life; the city of Salonica or Thessaloniki, in Greek Macedonia, was called the "Mother of Israel"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... _in_Greece

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I thought sepherdim were the maghrebi jews/andalusia but perhaps wrong. the "mizrahi" were the bagdadi/damascus/persian/AfPak/caspian/beirut jews....andre agassi, david sassoon and Gen jfr jacob comes from that lineage. sassoon was a famous business family in mumbai. i even met a brazilian sassoon once...so they get around.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 04 Dec 2015 11:49

Singha wrote:yeah its kind of miraculous how many armed police they can deploy within minutes. the whole country is like a armed kabila of sorts. some cops seem to keep shotguns, rifles in boxes in the trunk of their cars, with perhaps a few 100 rounds of ammo and BPJs "just in case" ,,,, maybe another couple of pistols in the glove compartment "just in case"

and if the call goes out, 100s of citizen volunteers armed with their personal weapons would join any sheriffs posse.

Reason the cops showed up so fast was because, by sheer coincidence, a large number of them just happened to be attending a training session nearby.

Also, LA cops started carrying heavier weaponry in the trunks after the notorious North Hollywood Bank Robbery Attempt and shootout that happened around 20 years ago. In that incident, two heavily armed bank robbers wearing body armor made a mockery of the police handguns (mostly 9 mm. pistols and .38 revolvers). Cops had to run to a gun store and plead with the owner to lend them some bigger guns temporarily (IIRC, someone later tried to prosecute the store owner after that incident, since he didn't make the police fill the required legal paperwork when he lent them the ARs). Soon after that incident, LAPD sergeants started to carry AR-15 type rifles and .45 ACP pistols + body armor and heavy armor plating on their patrol car doors. Quite a few other police departments followed suit.

habal · Post by **habal** » 04 Dec 2015 11:58

ArmenT wrote: Reason the cops showed up so fast was because, by sheer coincidence, a large number of them just happened to be attending a training session nearby.

this happens only in NATO munnas .. wherever there is terror strike .. mock drill is always happening nearby.
highly curious.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 04 Dec 2015 11:59

JE Menon wrote: Trump will speak the truth.

unfortunately the choice is going to be either Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton. U.S. Citizens are going to be between a rock and a hard place come 2016. It is almost a Hobson's choice. But then every election is a Hobson's choice. You can have any color as long as it is a shade of Christian Right - right, medium right or well done right.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Dec 2015 12:12

New video of shootout. Judging by the audio, they were able to stay alive for some time. Not sure if the rifles were full auto mod. May have received tactical training or practiced on their own. Looks like this may have been a lone wolf attack comprised of 3-5 overall with 3 going on the attack. No way that this could've been the outcome of some scuffle. This was premeditated.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40c_1449109810

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2015 13:13

civilian weapons sold there have full-auto mode deleted. but I have heard experienced modders/gang armourers can get it back as inside the case the rifle is same. if you are a skilled operator and looking to put people down, semi auto or even single shot is how they work. some amt of black market guns would be there via mehico border..place is awash with gangs and guns across the fence.

he was a self proclaimed gun nut and taught his wife as well. his matrimonial says he liked to hang out and do target practice

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 Dec 2015 13:44

Thalasinos, she said, told her that Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.”

And he sure did show how peaceful it is finally

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2015 13:47

>>jews have been in greece since 4 th century BC apparently.

Indeed. Even Kemal Ataturk, the blue-eyed father of modern Turkey, was by all accounts a "donma" (stuffed) Jew from Salonika (Thessaloniki) - i.e. the type who hid their identity under the Ottomans in order to survive. I believe his school records in Jewish schools in Thessaloniki attest to this...

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 04 Dec 2015 14:09

Nicholas Thalasinos, 52, one of 14 fatalities, had heated debate with co-worker Syed Rizwan Farook two weeks before San Bernardino rampage

Nicholas Thalasinos, 52, passionately defended Israel, and actively debated religion in online forums and in person, his friends said. Only two weeks ago, Thalasinos was having a heated on-the-job discussion about the nature of Islam with Syed Rizwan Farook, his fellow restaurant inspector and the man police identified as the shooter.

Thalasinos’ friend, Kuuleme Stephens, told The Associated Press that she happened to call him while he was working with Farook, and that he brought her into their debate, loudly declaring that Farook “doesn’t agree that Islam is not a peaceful religion.” She heard Farook counter that Americans don’t understand Islam, and Thalasinos responded by saying “I don’t know how to talk with him,” she said.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-vic ... out-islam/

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Dec 2015 14:18

A terrible tragedy.Our condolences to the US for this terror outrage.

However,the US must wake up to the stark truth about Pakis and the Terrorist Paki state.There may be hundreds or even thousands of Paki/ISIS sleeper cells/dedicated sympathisers in the US,UK and West,who will pick a time and location of their choosing before going on the rampage. There is only one way to stop this disease ,IT (Islamist terror),which is turning into a global pandemic. Stop these epeople from entering into your country.If they're already there put them under intensive surveillance and if there is the slightest suspicion,deport them. Close down all mosques where Islamic jihadism is preached. Deport all Imams/mullahs and individuals propagating or celebrating ISIS,etc. Impose sanctions on those states from where this terror emanates .Warn them to clean up their act or be ostracized and to also beware of mil action if need be.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Dec 2015 15:28

I guess US has to practice more tolerance towards Muslims as Obama advised India in January in Delhi.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 17:25

As people say, a Messianic Jew is like a meat-eating vegetarian. Consider it to be a form of Christian taqiya, to try to convert Jews.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2015 17:30

^^Correct. That's why I said "maybe" a convert. The Jewish people in general don't look kindly upon "Messianic Jews"... You can see it in the comments posted on the above linked Times of Israel article.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 18:23

RoyG wrote:New video of shootout. Judging by the audio, they were able to stay alive for some time. Not sure if the rifles were full auto mod. May have received tactical training or practiced on their own. Looks like this may have been a lone wolf attack comprised of 3-5 overall with 3 going on the attack. No way that this could've been the outcome of some scuffle. This was premeditated.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40c_1449109810

The suspects' vehicle had all its windows shot out or with bullet holes. Did anyone see any cop car with as much as a cracked windscreen? Just curious.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 18:26

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/down ... ector.html

The day before the shootings, Thalasinos had posted about a threat he had received that included the words "you will die and never see Israel." Authorities have not released any motive for the shooting, or suggested an intended target. Thalasnos was a Messianic Jew and posted frequently about Israel and politics. His posts included several that compared Muslims to Nazis.
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Thalasinos's Facebook page was filled with mourning postings from his community of online friends, many of whom remembered him for active postings about Israel and other political topics and for their connections as Messianic Jews. He was active in a pro-life group, and referred to as a "prolife warrior" and "great Patriot." His Facebook bio says he studied conservatism at the "Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies." There are numerous posts about Obama and the threat to Israel, and about Muslim terrorist attacks against Christians.

His last post, as captured by a Facebook friend, described a message he had gotten from a Facebook member called "Med Ali Zarouk" who told him "you will never sucsseed (sic) to make a country for jews ... soon you'll get your a-- kicked, you will die and never see Israel as country believe me never."

Thalasinos wrote on Facebook that he had blocked Zarouk, whom he called an "anti-semitic brain surgeon" and others he described as "pagan antisemitic troglodytes."

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ennifer Thalasinos told the New York Times that her husband was friendly with Farook and given her no indication that anything was amiss with Farook.

“My husband was very outspoken about ISIS and all of these radicalized Muslims,” she told the Times. “If he would’ve thought that somebody in his office was like that, he would’ve said something.”

habal · Post by **habal** » 04 Dec 2015 18:40

It was a sleeper cell that prematurely detonated, maybe the thalassinos did some 'gustakh-e-rasool' activity to get at their goat.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Dec 2015 20:36

^^^
Exactly what I am thinking.
2nd thing I am considering is if these guys were not setting up a cottage industry to supply terror related material.
3rd thing: Is ISIS/ AQ like terror groups sending people over to the west to enter under the radar and carry out such acts?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 04 Dec 2015 21:02

Singha wrote:andre agassi, david sassoon and Gen jfr jacob comes from that lineage.

Agassi is Armenian...not Jewish that I am aware

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2015 21:05

^^Iranian Jewish descent.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 04 Dec 2015 21:15

There's more confirmation available regarding his Armenian heritage than any Jewish connect...last name was agassian apparently and his father is quoted on Agassi's wiki speaking about extended Armenian heritage.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 04 Dec 2015 21:49

Agassi is actually a Mizrahi Jewish surname. Could be I'm wrong though.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 04 Dec 2015 22:33

That surname is actually Aghassian, which was later shortened to Agassi. His father is an Armenian Christian, not Jewish. Lots of Armenian friends of mine are kinda pissed off that Andre doesn't acknowledge his Armenian side as much.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 04 Dec 2015 23:39

ramana wrote:This was only a trigger. The guy and his wife were hoarding arms and making bombs would have gone jihadi anytime.

Someday, there has to be honest discussion about what the outlook/impression/image of Indians should be in EJ standoff v/s moderates Christians v/s moderate Muslims v/s fundamentalists/jihadi standoff. May be in OT thread or US positive. USA has the distinct American culture of its own so that people, moderates atleast, could see what goes on even if with holy book.

By EJ standoff I mean conversion activity that seems to be staple activity, almost like sectarianism which is kept below radar mostly in cities, a subculture within parts of the country.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Dec 2015 23:52

BRFites, I come to you with very special treat:

Naila Inayat ‏@nailainayat 22m22 minutes ago
#SanBernadino shooter #TashfeenMalik belonged to district Layah in Punjab before the family moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago.
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Naila Inayat ‏@nailainayat 20m20 minutes ago
Tashfeen Malik returned to Pakistan six years ago to study pharmacy at the Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan, Punjab.
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Naila Inayat ‏@nailainayat 15m15 minutes ago
The plot gets thicker: #TashfeenMalik has apparently been 'radicalised' by Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz. There is a photo evidence to it.
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F. Jeffery (F.J.) ‏@MrPolyatheist 13m13 minutes ago
Wow. Do you have it? @nailainayat
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@MrPolyatheist can't wait to see it. heard he considers being photographed haram, no?

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 04 Dec 2015 23:55

Gagan wrote:^^^
Exactly what I am thinking.
2nd thing I am considering is if these guys were not setting up a cottage industry to supply terror related material.
3rd thing: Is ISIS/ AQ like terror groups sending people over to the west to enter under the radar and carry out such acts?

You're overthinking this. Mark my words; this is home grown terror. Anywhere you have a muslim population and easy access to guns, you're going to have incidents like this. It's just a natural phenomenon inherent to the religion. Nothing you can do about it; get rid of the guns or get rid of the muslims.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 04 Dec 2015 23:57

I never believed it, but I think I have come to believe that:

You can take a Bakistani out of Bakistan, but you can never take Pakhanastan out of a Baki.

Jo Layah, ~~Punjaab~~ PakJab mein g***du who San Bernadino, CA mein bhi g**du.

This will now be spinned of as "intolerant subculture" of soothassia and how this isolated incident does not represent Islam, but sooth-assian nature.

EDITED: as per suggestion below.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Dec 2015 23:58

Thanks, RoyG, it has now hit Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-calif ... aBKpEdK.97

The investigation into the California carnage has spread to Pakistan, where intelligence officials questioned members of Malik's family, including her uncle, Javed Rabbani, the brother of her father, Gulzar. Rabbani said his brother Gulzar changed after moving to Saudi Arabia.

"When relatives visited him, they would come back and tell us how conservative and hard-line he had become," Rabbani said in an interview with Reuters.

The father had built a house in Multan, where he stays when he visits Pakistan, according to another uncle, Malik Anwaar.

Christian Nwadike, who worked with Farook in California for five years, told CBS News that his co-worker had been different since he returned from Saudi Arabia with Malik.

"I think he married a terrorist," Nwadike said.

Two Pakistani officials said Malik was from the Layyah district in southern Punjab province, but moved to Saudi Arabia with her father 25 years ago. She returned home five or six years ago to study to become a pharmacist at Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan, they said.

Rabbani said he had been contacted by Pakistani intelligence as part of the investigation into the San Bernardino shooting.

The Pakistani officials said Malik had two brothers and two sisters and was related to Ahmed Ali Aulak, a former provincial minister.

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-s ... PosRSRh.99

PS: I think the Ahmed Ali Aulak is this guy:
http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/members ... /en/19/695

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 00:13

The Lal Masjid siege was in 2007, this girl came to Pakistan just after that.
The kendostix sistas and Abdul Aziz's begum, who ran the zanana section of that madarsa, must have instilled ideas of Jihad in her.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Dec 2015 00:21

A_Gupta wrote:Thanks, RoyG, it has now hit Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-calif ... aBKpEdK.97

The investigation into the California carnage has spread to Pakistan, where intelligence officials questioned members of Malik's family, including her uncle, Javed Rabbani, the brother of her father, Gulzar. Rabbani said his brother Gulzar changed after moving to Saudi Arabia.

"When relatives visited him, they would come back and tell us how conservative and hard-line he had become," Rabbani said in an interview with Reuters.

The father had built a house in Multan, where he stays when he visits Pakistan, according to another uncle, Malik Anwaar.

Christian Nwadike, who worked with Farook in California for five years, told CBS News that his co-worker had been different since he returned from Saudi Arabia with Malik.

"I think he married a terrorist," Nwadike said.

Two Pakistani officials said Malik was from the Layyah district in southern Punjab province, but moved to Saudi Arabia with her father 25 years ago. She returned home five or six years ago to study to become a pharmacist at Bahauddin Zakariya University in Multan, they said.

Rabbani said he had been contacted by Pakistani intelligence as part of the investigation into the San Bernardino shooting.

The Pakistani officials said Malik had two brothers and two sisters and was related to Ahmed Ali Aulak, a former provincial minister.

Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-s ... PosRSRh.99
PS: I think the Ahmed Ali Aulak is this guy:
http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/members ... /en/19/695

Idk about you but I'm having a blast on twitter right now. I'm discovering that the American Left is just as pervasive as the Indian Left. Ordinary folk seem to be getting fed up with these muzzies.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Dec 2015 00:25

This "Punjab" business is getting to be too generic for me. Need to properly brand it. Suggest BR international code PakJab - PAKJ.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Dec 2015 00:25

This page contains alleged pictures of Tashfeen Malik; and also throws in a Russian woman into the mix.
http://anonvox.blogspot.com/2015/12/the ... no-is.html

Added later: I doubt that the one "Basic Mass and Balance Course" is right - that is an aviation course as far as I can tell, Malik was allegedly doing pharmacy.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 00:27

One wonders what all skills, a talib who studies in these madarsas learns hain ji?
Specially a madarsa that has undergone a siege, must have instilled many 'skills' to its students to survive an onslaught, with home made material.
That lal masjid connection must have carried on to KSA with that girl.
If the guy went to KSA, there's a good chance he and the girl met some ISIS hot heads. It is possible there are training camps in KSA, like the ISI/LET camps in Pakistan, to train people for ISIS.
This was a match made in hell!

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 05 Dec 2015 00:35

On CNN yesterday, the neighbors of Malik who were interviewed mentioned the name Tatiana, so now Tashfeen is same person and is of Russian origin. It is getting murkier only.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 05 Dec 2015 00:39

twat married twice or what?

Amirkhan is pretty useless in this it looks like. In India, we'd have him and her back down to a couple of generations, with cinema tickets from Pakiland to boot.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 00:56

LOL. THe media just raided the homes of the "gunmen" without getting appropriate authorization (from the buzz on twitter). LOL onlee.

Media everywhere is same onleee.....

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 01:01

Yaa
I noticed that they were broadcasting those shots from their helos while the chase to locate a possible third suspect was ongoing

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 05 Dec 2015 01:02

So was this a terror attack or was it a case of a Muslim being well integrated and Americanised?

The gun control lobby wants to know.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Dec 2015 01:03

Where did the 6 m old baccha come from hain ji?
These guys met and got married like 6 m ago right?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 05 Dec 2015 01:05

The guy and the motive (Jeehard) is the only certainty. The wife, the kids and everything else seems to be murky.

Something aint right here.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Dec 2015 01:09

LokeshC wrote:The guy and the motive (Jeehard) is the only certainty. The wife, the kids and everything else seems to be murky.

Something aint right here.

News crews got access to the home. FBI apparently "forgot" to seize shredded documents. Something isn't right. I think this may be a Headley type of thing.