The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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RoyG wrote:He's not out of his mind. It's very rational. Would you rather have a developed and strategically minded enemy or a brute who can't think beyond the book?
I would rather deal with a rational Iran then an irrational Saudi or ISIS.

Somewhere Israel under the present regime has become too paranoid for its own good.
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Kurds use bulldozers to ‘de-Arabize’ lands captured from ISIS – Amnesty

“KRG forces appear to be spearheading a concerted campaign to forcibly displace Arab communities by destroying entire villages in areas they have recaptured from IS in northern Iraq. The forced displacement of civilians and the deliberate destruction of homes and property without military justification, may amount to war crimes,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s senior crisis response adviser, who carried out the field research in northern Iraq.

One of the villages mentioned in the report is Jalawla in the east of Diyala province, which has been largely destroyed, according to Amnesty. The accusations were denied by Jabbar Yawar, a spokesman for the Kurdish Peshmerga, who told the Washington Post that hundreds of families have been allowed to go back in the past two weeks.

“These are false accusations,” he said, blaming the fighting and booby traps set by IS militants for the extensive damage. “It’s normal for there to be destruction, and it was caused by Daesh,” he said, using an Arabic pejorative acronym for the terrorist group.
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maybe a heavy ransom was paid:

BEIRUT — A Britain-based activist group says the Islamic State has set free 270 people it captured last week during intense fighting with Syrian government forces in the country's east.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Wednesday that 50 more civilians are still held. The freed civilians were released to the village of al-Baghalieh, north of the besieged city of Deir el-Zour.

IS militants over the weekend launched a heavy offensive to take the city, which is controlled by the Syrian government deep inside IS territory. Over 100 people were reported killed in the fighting.

The Syrian state news agency SANA says government forces have so far managed to repel the advance on Deir el-Zour, with the help of Russian airstrikes.
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Kremlin: Tough disagreements between Russia, US on "white and black" lists in Syria


http://tass.ru/en/politics/850785
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Britain-based activist group says the Islamic State has set free


Read report I posted from yesterdin: Syrian forces are the ones that freed these ppl after suitably halaling their captors. Maybe some deal to temporarily delay halaling. This is part of the "70(0) ISIS killed" story, now re-interpreted by Her Majesty's Ambassador in Raqqa aka "Britain-based Syrian Observatory of Hyooman Rites"
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remains of a rodent after he detonated a vest
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZHbH-PXEAA3-yo.jpg

the vest itself
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZHa9y7W0AEqbcv.jpg

SOHR claims 120 SAA dead in bagliyeh incl 40 who fell prisoner and were executed, 70 IS incl 28 suicide bombers.
SAA has lost a brigadier general too and the 137th artillery base has IS sitting on higher elevations and launching attacks every day.

its a fierce see saw daily battle and a game changer is definitely needed if the SAA is to drive back the zombies. perhaps airlift some few dozen BMPs and tanks and launch sweeps backed by hinds. TOS1 might help too.
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isis were withdrawing and they did an about turn around the euphrates. isis are already beaten back from baghliyeh and gen. issam zahreddine has trekked there on foot from DeZ MAB. isis has lost element of surprise because they have exhausted their supplies of SB and VBIED. All they did was attack a village on withdrawal route and did u-turn at a euphrates tributary or branch which flows across DeZ. They used canoes and crossed the river in silence and took a village and few families of NDF militia and families of SAA troops in that village by surprise. They killes off a few troops and militia on rotation. Sole observatory hyooman rites based in london has again given inflated stats for SAA casualties.
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Defence Secretary Michael Fallon ‘disturbed’ by Russian airstrikes

http://on.rt.com/72ae
British Defence Secretary Michael Fallon says he is “disturbed” by civilian casualties from Russian airstrikes in Syria, claiming they are helping the Bashar Assad regime by killing moderate fighters.

Fallon made his comments on Wednesday ahead of a meeting of national defense ministers in Paris to assess the coalition campaign in Syria and Iraq.

"I am increasingly disturbed by Russian bombing," Fallon told Reuters.

"The casualty total keeps climbing. We have estimates of several hundred civilians killed through the use of unguided munitions on civilian areas and opposition groups fighting [Syrian President Bashar] Assad.”


He said that the Russian bombing was helping to strengthen Assad’s grip on power.

"That I deplore. Propping up the Assad regime is simply prolonging the agony. On the contrary, Russia should be using its influence to make it clear that Assad has no future in Syria," Fallon said.


The UK government has talked down civilian casualties caused by its own bombing in the two Middle Eastern countries.

Security scholar Professor Paul Rogers from Bradford University recently contested claims put ahead of the December 2015 parliamentary vote on extending airstrikes into Syria that British bombs are particularly precise.

Speaking on the impact of British strikes, Rogers suggested government statements on civilian casualties contradicted claims about insurgent deaths.

Fallon told the Commons in 2015 that around 330 jihadists had been killed by UK strikes, but no non-combatants.

“At first sight, it is a clear answer,” Rogers wrote on the Open Democracy website. “But a moment’s thought points to the contradiction.

“The UK government can only give an approximate figure for the number of people killed, yet is convinced that none of those killed were civilians.” :rotfl:

He pointed to the work of the Airwars NGO which corroborates the tally of civilians killed by airstrikes using independent media reports.

“This attitude, of denial of what is euphemistically termed ‘collateral damage’ has now become much more entrenched as independent evidence has emerged of numerous civilian casualties,” Rogers added.
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Austin wrote:Kurds use bulldozers to ‘de-Arabize’ lands captured from ISIS – Amnesty

“KRG forces appear to be spearheading a concerted campaign to forcibly displace Arab communities by destroying entire villages in areas they have recaptured from IS in northern Iraq. The forced displacement of civilians and the deliberate destruction of homes and property without military justification, may amount to war crimes,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s senior crisis response adviser, who carried out the field research in northern Iraq.

One of the villages mentioned in the report is Jalawla in the east of Diyala province, which has been largely destroyed, according to Amnesty. The accusations were denied by Jabbar Yawar, a spokesman for the Kurdish Peshmerga, who told the Washington Post that hundreds of families have been allowed to go back in the past two weeks.

“These are false accusations,” he said, blaming the fighting and booby traps set by IS militants for the extensive damage. “It’s normal for there to be destruction, and it was caused by Daesh,” he said, using an Arabic pejorative acronym for the terrorist group.
Peshmerga have clarified on this. They were clearing houses from ISIS liberated zones. Too many houses were IED rigged and it was taking too much time plus they faced difficulty in diffusing all IEDs in each house. Hence, IEDs were exploded. This caused some demolition. Some other demolition was because the people in those houses had collaborated with the ISIS.
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Peshmerga try to defuse IEDs where possible, if not it is demolished. Also TARGETED attack on ISIS supporters.

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the rodent sure hollowed himself out for the suicide attack. all thats left is skin, hair and few shreds of clothing the inside flesh is all blown away.

there are also pix of a pyramid of beheaded FSA fighters in north aleppo after IS captured them in some random fight there.
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IS still retain the initiative in deir azzor because the Govt has only enough to hold a certain perimeter.
like hyenas and wolves outside the thorn enclosure, they can circle round and round, probing for weak spots or attacking isolated weak points before slinking away...taking it easy in their burrows in the day because they are immune for being overrun.

they need some sharp slaps and a general thrashing to be forced to vacate the place and run tails between legs to raqqa or iraqi border.
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actually isis has shown its limitations in Deir-ez-zor, their depleted rat troops were on display. After capturing initiative with element of surprise and throwing so many vbied and suicide bombers at the enemy they still didn't have enough rat troops to capitalize on this and push ahead.
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News from Der Ez Zor are better, after 4 days of intense fight, the Syrians are holding the ground and started to retake lost ground of late. The 137th brigade held 5 attempts to break their defensive line and this is fundamental for the whole Syrian strategy to stay in Der Ez Zor. So far the AB is safe and very few direct attempts were made to take it.

ISIS has a different strategy on this offensive, instead of heads on the AB they decided to come from the other side of the Euphrates and storm the northern villages, creating havoc on civilians and soldiers, this strategy proved positive them with their gains on the 1st day of the offensive with over 30 suicide bombers, but it also proved ISIS lacks ratpower, they could not keep the same intense suicidal attempts for multiple days thus losing the punch to penetrate deeper. This is evident now that ISIS loses are mounting and will be even more evident if ISIS end up losing more ground prior to the offensive, which has happened in their last 2 major offensives against the AB and Der Ez Zor.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/com ... eir-ezzor/

Daesh bodies, food for Cats

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=11a_1453226306
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Syrian Army Forces Kill ISIS Senior Commander in Western Deir ez-Zor
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1780933

“Ebrahim Hossein al-Da’yeri was killed in clashes with the Syrian army in al-Sho’eitat region,” several independent sources said.
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Habal ji, I agree with your assessment that ISIS had a core strategy to push forward - suicide attacks on the frontline defences to penetrate and move in. I also agree that this resulted in limited and temporary success. However, the SAA and NDF have suffered heavy casualties (80+ from SAA sources) plus a lot of weaponry has been lost to ISIS including missiles.

ISIS also holds the nearby high ground for regular attacks on Brigade 137 and unless the high ground is taken back SAA will regularly suffer casualties in Dier Ez Zor.
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as per some reports the baghliyeh base had no weaponry, there was a weapons depot there that was empty. But yes, isis have gained some features like the high ground and 2 islands flanked by the euphrates.
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^^^ LiveMap posted photos of ISIS and their missiles captured from SAA.
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russian aircraft drops supplies at DeZ military airbase
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gen issam zahreddine inspecting daesh corpse
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gen zahreddine and maj gen khaddour inspecting base fortifications
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ISIS got SAM 2K12 Kub/SA-6 "Gainful" from SAA in Deir ez Zur

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Messy in Syria is an understatement:
Haidar Sumeri ‏@IraqiSecurity now15 minutes ago
Reports that #US troops have taken control of Rmeilan airfield in Hasakah, northeastern #Syria. To support SDF.

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Haidar Sumeri ‏@IraqiSecurity now6 minutes ago
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#US setting up a base in northeastern #Syria and rumours that #Turkey might invade. The war just gets messier...
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gen issam zahreddine inspecting daesh corpse
How can you tell? Uniform looks identical, down to the shoes, with the Iranian/SAA
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Not totally alike -- the jacket worn by the ISIS corpse it is blue(ish) with a white stripe on the arm, like a civilian winter coat -- the SAA is wearing camouflage winter coats. Also, the camouflage patters are likely to be different...can't tell from the photo though.
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the iranian/hezboolah dudes in baseball caps looks similar to US special forces operators........ :x
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yeah with the baseball caps and beards, looks like SEALS. sure the US is not secretly helping the SAA ? ;)
in any case evidence of american soft power on the SF fashion scene :lol: even indian SF units have taken to growing beards, cloth banadanas and M4 special editions. "je suis americaine" :twisted:

in the corpse photo, the lean guy on extreme left with a nike wool cap is his personal bodyguard I think..seen him in some other of the general's videos. the corpse is probably daesh, if SAA it would not be left lying like that after the battle.
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nobody wants to touch a daesh corpse for fear of it being booby trapped, usually they pull the corpse with a rope for a distance before deciding to dispose it or burn it or feed it to dog/pigs. Since this was a scene of battle, they don't have time for that so the corpse is lying around.
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Russia for Assad

Even in these difficult political and economic circumstances, Russia is continuing to demonstrate its ability to maintain a pace of air operations and to supply its forces in Syria with all they need.

Judging by available reports, Russian MOD successfully rotated ground units providing security for Hmeimim and Tartus. Aircrews are also being rotated. Naval forces in eastern Meditarranean have also been rotated. The expeditionary HQ for the Syrian operation transferred from the missile cruiser Moskva to the identical Varyag, with Moskva returning to Sevastopol.

There are reports of possible deployment to Syria of Ka-52 attack helicopters equipped with the L370 Vitebsk self-protection suite. The helicopters would ensure Hmeimim’s security and support search-and-rescue operations. No information on possible deployment of Mi-28 attack helicopters.

The news that pilots are beginning to train on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, new carrier-based MiG-29K fighters, and newly announced plans of a two-year modernization of the carrier starting in late 2016, the hopes to see Admiral Kuznetsov in eastern Mediterranean are waning…

The decrease in the Syria Express sorties indicates that the deployment of Russian forces in Syria is complete. Current Syria Express cargoes are mainly “expendables” such as munitions, fuel, and lubricants.

Water channel into Tartus harbor is being dredged which is consistent with the expectation it will be transformed from a technical support point into a fully fledged Russian naval base. This is more than likely, given the recent reports of unlimited duration of Russian leases on Syrian military facilities. One should get used to the fact that Russia has come to Syria in all earnestness and for a long time.

In addition to work on Hmeimim and Tartus, Russian military advisers are expanding their work within Syria’s armed forces. One can see our soldiers among Syrian troops with increasing frequency. It’s not surprising–there are reports that Assad’s army has integrated Russian military advisers down to company level.

Russian specialists effectively help their Syrian allies not only on the front lines but also in the rear areas where Syrian forces are being retrained on equipment supplied from Russia. Here’s an important development–Syrians were able, with direct Russian participation, to restore their armored vehicle servicing and repair system. All of that allows Damascus to gradually overcome the jihadi numbers with the quality of their forces.

The Russian efforts to “bomb ISIS into the stone age” and to split the “moderate opposition” are starting to bear fruit. There are more and more cases of not even the bombing but the mere appearance of a Russian aircraft overhead forces the militants to abandon their positions. Igor Konashenkov made the following comment: “We are noting cases of mass desertion and of whole units avoiding further fighting. Field Commander Abu Khaldun’s armed band, some 30 strong, abandoned their positions on Sunday in its entirety.”

Is that good? Of course! But, alas, 30 deserters or even 300 won’t make or break the jihadis. Only when the numbers of fleeing terrorists will reach thousands the situation will change. So far we aren’t seeing that, though work on making it happen is continuing.

“Patriotic Opposition”

There are also “men at work” on the so-called “moderate opposition. No, nobody is being lured to Assad’s side using cookies. Opposition is, as the term suggests, fundamentally opposed to Damascus. But being against Assad does not mean supporting ISIS. So why not finish off ISIS together with Damascus and then come to terms with Syria’s president?

Using that logic, Russian airpower de-facto placed the “moderates” before a simple choice: “you are either an enemy of ISIS or you are dead.” This tactic aimed at motivating the “moderates” to adopt policies consistent with Russian preferences is having effects. Particularly since the incentive is not merely the absence of half-ton bombs falling on their heads, but provision of light weapons and munitions by Russia.

This situation may bring about many unexpected collisions due to the oppositionists going back and forth. But so far it’s working. The proof of that is the use of the new term “patriotic opposition”, meaning opposition fighting the jihadis, in Russian MOD press briefings.

From a recent MOD briefing: “Russian air group command continues to cooperate with patriotic opposition formations in Syria, fighting against ISIS, al-Nusra, and others. Several days ago, we received information from a patriotic opposition unit about the location of an ISIS camp. After additional drone reconnaissance and clearing the target through the coordinating center in Baghdad, the camp was destroyed by an Su-25 attack aircraft.”

Concurrently with these activities, Moscow and Damascus began humanitarian aid airdrops to civilians in the zone of fighting. This led to a considerable increase of Assad regime’s popularity.

New old terror

The jihadists were not able to counter these operations by Syrian government forces and Russian airpower other than by using naked terror against the civilians. The result was the already mentioned slaughter and hostage-taking at Deir-ez-Zor.

Another method used by the militants is provocative shelling. Again Igor Konashenkov: “Not being able to stop the government forces’ advance, terrorists are more and more often shelling populated areas using mortars and artillery, in order to place the blame on Syrian government forces.” It’s enough to recall the recent shelling of a school in Turkey’s border area…

One way or the other, such ISIS operations are leading to further schism with al-Nusra and “moderate opposition”, and also the collapse of ISIS hopes to gain “respectability” and legitimacy in the eyes of certain Western circles.

Victory will be ours

All of that means situation in Syria is changing. Very slowly but to our favor. One must keep in mind we are at war with international terrorism, and that war won’t be over in two weeks. It’s also obvious there is no victory without effort and losses. The more effort, the fewer losses.

It means that it’s time to get up and continue the work. Day after day, no matter what, for the sake of victory. That victory is drawing closer thanks to our guys over there in Syria. We are also working for victory here, in Russia. The main thing is not to grow complacent, not expect miracles, and then victory will be ours.
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Another method used by the militants is provocative shelling. Again Igor Konashenkov: “Not being able to stop the government forces’ advance, terrorists are more and more often shelling populated areas using mortars and artillery, in order to place the blame on Syrian government forces.” It’s enough to recall the recent shelling of a school in Turkey’s border area…
So the Turkish Newspaper Hurriyet was accurately reporting that it was ISIS using Katyusha rockets on the school attacking civilians. That is interesting.
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In Syria, SAA has had big gains today in Northern Lattakia. Seems yesterday's dedicated Russian bombing in Lattakia and Dier Ez Zor has given immediate results at least in Lattakia.

Posting the Southern Front analysis for 21st Jan. Good insights into what Turkey is upto.

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Su-24 bombing terrorist in Syria , Note the camera angle of Su-24M

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Something to please TSJ

I hope they use the A-10s against the ISIS/ retreat/resupply routes through Turkey.
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http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_ru ... 10190.html

Russian troops near Turkish border bound to escalate tension
The protracted Syrian conflict is destined to be a source of renewed friction between Turkey and Russia after a recent report suggests that Russia has deployed nearly 100 troops and military advisers in the northern Syrian town of Qamishli, located near the Turkish border -- a development that is bound to cause tension ahead of the Syria peace talks in Geneva.
Based on information from local sources, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) claimed that Russia sent a team of military technicians and experts along with troops to examine the airfield and other facilities in the town for the possible further deployment of Russian forces.The move to deploy military personnel in Qamishli, which is currently under the control of the Syrian regime and the Democratic Union Party (PYD), is likely to cause tension with Turkey, which has grown wary of outside powers' increasing cooperation with the PYD and its armed wing of Syrian Kurdish militia the People's Protection Units (YPG).The deployment comes during a continuing row between Turkey and Russia after the Turkish air force shot down a Russian jet it claimed violated its airspace late last November.The plane's downing sparked a crisis, prompting Russia to deploy its cutting-edge air defense systems, S-400s, to an air base near Latakia, very close to the Turkish border. Russia warned that it would respond to any threat to its aircraft, and Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the country's commanders to act swiftly if Turkish jets violate Syrian airspace.
Apart from reinforcing Bashar al-Assad's regime with air strikes, Russia's relationship with the YPG has also come under close scrutiny from Turkish authorities.Days before peace talks in Geneva, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu accused Russia as well as others of trying to undermine negotiations for a solution to the Syrian conflict by including groups such as the YPG.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Davutoğlu said "terrorist groups" must not be represented at talks in Geneva, referring to the YPG, which Ankara views as a Syrian offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK). Turkey, the US and the EU have designated the PKK a terrorist organization. While Ankara sees no difference between the YPG and the PKK, Turkey's NATO allies distinguish between them, treating the former as a reliable ally in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Syria.On Wednesday Turkish media reported that a top Russian official was set to visit Turkey to attend a meeting of the Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation (BSEC) in İstanbul on Friday, a sign that points to de-escalation and even a gradual thaw in relations.But later Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Vassily Nebenzia's visit was canceled, reportedly for reasons of health. The visit would have been the first high-level visit since relations deteriorated after Turkey shot down a Russian jet last November. Nebenzia was expected to meet with Turkish officials during his visit.“Russia has significantly decreased Turkey's maneuvering capability in Syria. This will continue,” he said, referring to Turkey's downing of jet and Russia's subsequent deployment of S-400 anti-aircraft missiles.By closely engaging with Kurdish militia in the north near the Turkish border, Hüseyin Bağcı, a professor of international relations at Middle East Technical University (ODTÜ) and an expert on regional affairs, thinks that Russia's latest move in Syria means that it is “here to stay.”He drew parallels between Russia's latest activities and the Soviet conduct back in the 1970s when Soviets used its military aid as a pretext to establish a foothold in a client state.“Turkey is throwing the dice, Russia is playing chess,” he said, referring to their respective roles in Syria. “A person who throws a dice cannot be certain of its outcome. However, a chess player thinks four, maybe five moves ahead and plays accordingly.”
Noting that Turkey's spat with Russia and its position in Syria mean further ostracization in the region for the country, Bağcı said: “The West has lifted sanctions against Iran and relations are thawing. Russia is trying to gain an upper hand in the outcome of the Syrian conflict. Turkey will be singled out by these countries, it will become more ostracized.”
The former Turkish foreign minister said Russia and the US have mostly agreed on which factions in Syria are to be labeled as terrorist organizations and which are to be classified as moderate rebels.
“Turkey's own classification greatly differs from the list Russia and the US are compiling,” he said, adding, “For example, Jabhat al-Nusra, a group that in the past Turkey is reported to have had dealings with, will most probably be classified as a terrorist group within Syria.”

He continued, “Also, Russia and the US have told Turkey several times that they will work with the YPG, because they [US] want people on the ground fighting ISIL. Turkey has expressed its objections on this matter, but nothing has changed.”Yakış noted that he warned the government several times since the second half of 2011 about the need to change its Syria policy, but to no avail.
Referring to the meeting in Paris of the defense ministers of countries in the coalition against ISIL, Yakış said that Turkey had not been invited, which shows how the West and Europe view Turkey.
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Turkey is clearing minefields along its borders. Must be its own as preparation for invading Syria soon.

Maybe around US primary season while US is busy.
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habal wrote:
Hitesh wrote:Russia needs the Black sea port because it saves them enormous time and energy in getting around the northern arctic landmass to south of Europe and Africa. Taking control of Crimea was essential to Russia's security and the western world should have known the strategic importance of Sevastopol to Russia. But Putin also made a strategic mistake in taking Crimea too early. He made a long lasting enemy out of Ukraine right on his borders. Even though the western world mishandled the Ukraine conflict badly, Putin mismanaged it far worse. His losses outweighs any gains he made during that conflict and it will last for a long long time.
ukraine was about to blockade sevastopol by a mix of US, NATO & Ukbapzi forces taking over. It would have rendered Crimea unusable and Syrian war unwinnable. So kindly correct your perception about Crimea and Sevastopol because that perception has been shaped by western media whose malafide intent was to confuse, misdirect western perception over the Syrian war of whom ukraine was a key supporting pillar.
No I would not correct my perception for it is still correct. NATO and Ukraine was not about to take over Crimea. That is just your fear talking and no historical, geographical, or a rudimentary understanding of events basis to it whatsoever. NATO and Ukraine had no means of doing so. Ukraine did not have the capability nor it need to take over Crimea by force. All it needed to do was cut off the supply lines to Crimea, a fact that Putin only belatedly realized. To make Crimea work, Putin would have to establish another connection to Crimea this time from Novorossiysk region but then Russia already has a port in Novorossiysk and any money spent on establishing a landlink to Crimea would be better spent on Novorossiysk. Putin could have negotiated for a longer lease such as 99 year lease with Ukraine and still retain Ukraine as a friendly neighbor while using its strategic gas link and Ukraine's outstanding debts to Russia as the proverbial stick and could have gotten what he wanted. And then he could have planted an insurgency or anti Ukraine movement within Crimea and have that movement agitated for separation from Ukraine and Ukraine would be hard pressed.
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UlanBatori wrote:Something to please TSJ

I hope they use the A-10s against the ISIS/ retreat/resupply routes through Turkey.
I don't know. best to read RU Today and get their explanation, eh?
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TSJones wrote:
Hitesh wrote:Russia needs the Black sea port because it saves them enormous time and energy in getting around the northern arctic landmass to south of Europe and Africa. Taking control of Crimea was essential to Russia's security and the western world should have known the strategic importance of Sevastopol to Russia. But Putin also made a strategic mistake in taking Crimea too early. He made a long lasting enemy out of Ukraine right on his borders. Even though the western world mishandled the Ukraine conflict badly, Putin mismanaged it far worse. His losses outweighs any gains he made during that conflict and it will last for a long long time.
evidently the hero of eastern Ukraine re-acquisition has sadly passed away........

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world ... .html?_r=0

it does not make any difference that Putin may have miscalculated the Ukraine desire for economic ties to Europe instead of the kleptocracy of Russia. The invasion of the Ukraine was a very popular thing to the Russian public and its supporters around the world including this forum. It showed to the west and the US in particular that Russia is strong and not weak. It is important to be strong, da?

another Russian general recently passed away also. Putin may be clearing up some problems. So, no damage to Putin who is a strong masculine guy, not weak like Supreme Pigeon who fires generals who then become commentators for Fox News and have the nerve to be disgustingly healthy and long lived.
I am not talking about Putin's miscalculation of Ukraine's desire for economic ties to Europe. I am talking about the miscalculation he made in which that he could have Crimea for little cost by using force. He paid a very huge cost. He turned Ukraine into a hostile neighbor and any brotherly feeling between them is now gone, only to be replaced by long lasting animosity and hostility by Ukrainians towards Russians. Now he has to watch his southern flank right on its border instead of using Ukraine as an useful strategic buffer. Russia's hold on Crimea is still gingerly tenable because there is no direct landlink between Russia and Crimea and all infrastructure support still runs through Ukraine and has to rely on expensive methods of resupply and support by sea. To build a direct landlink means that the costs of doing so would equal the cost of building up Novorussiyk's naval base which would be far better than what was at Sevastopol. He could have gotten Crimea for little gain had he been more patience and more cunning. Blunt force was not necessary on Russia's part. By not taking over Crimea and allowing the anti western Ukraine movement to fully develop and nurturing it to a full blown insurgency in Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk, Putin could have actually separated Ukraine in half without using any Russian forces and once that movement does that, he could have gotten Crimea for a dime and Putin and Russia would be able to maintain plausible deniability.
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^^^^But that is a Supreme Pigeonesque tactic, not a manly strong leader that plays with leopards and big cats and kills enemies with nuclear poisoning as alleged by Brit authorities.....but then, the Brits are banning The Donald..... :roll:
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Saudis forbid Chess
US invents pigeon chess

Saudis fund and create terrorists
US supports same terrorists and calls them moderate terrorists

Saudis and US mean the same. Just that Saudis don't feel the need to lie about everything whereas US lies in different ways and some swallow it wholesale. There in lies the self destruct trap.
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Pigeon chess was invented by the first pigeon that landed on a chess board and utilized its enormous birdbrain to knock the queen down using a pawn 8 squares behind (and its need to poop urgently to sully the chessboard in other ways) -- the US is just taking all due credit from a little bird and US strategerists like Zbigniew Brzyzenski write books titled "the grand chessboard (and its uses as a pakistan)" to describe the grand vision behind american foreign policy these days.
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Thanks for the context Whotsissain ji. I should have said... US promotes pigeon chess.
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