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Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
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pray UPA-3 does not come to power or it might be named Tejpratap !
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Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
Another ten years. I'm getting that puckering feeling now. Deja vu Arjun! Let's hope I'm wrong.
nash wrote:What would be new name and will ADA/DRDO/HAL able to adhere to this time line?Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) to get a new name and 4 Pre-production aircraft
ADA has confirmed that unlike LCA-Tejas program there will not be any Technology Demonstrators (Phase-1) nor any prototype aircraft (Phase-II) of MWF and instead there will be four Pre-production aircraft. First Two of the four Pre-production aircraft will be of Initial Operation Clearance (IOC) configuration and the last two will be of final Operation Clearance (IOC) configuration. Direct development of Pre-production aircraft will help reduce development timeline and also accelerate flight testing and trial phase so that from the first flight of the first pre-production MWF aircraft till it cleared for production, whole program can be rounded up in five years time.
Work on the assembly of first Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) will start from 2021 on wards and it should be ready for first flight by end of 2022 or in 2023. If ADA manages to have its first flight by 2023 and also manages to wind up its developmental flight trials by 2028 it should be ready to enter production by 2029-30. ADA is yet to select a production partner, while HAL has been tasked to procure assemble jigs and other ground support equipment to start work on the development of first Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) aircraft it is still not clear if HAL will be in charge of manufacturing of first four pre-production aircraft.
http://idrw.org/medium-weight-fighter-m ... -aircraft/ .
Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
My suggestion for name
Vetri Vel - Victory lance
Veera Vel - brave lance
Both names are for Murugan's spear, our god of war.
Or Netrikan - Sivan's third eye
Vetri Vel - Victory lance
Veera Vel - brave lance
Both names are for Murugan's spear, our god of war.
Or Netrikan - Sivan's third eye
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Tejas Mk 2 should be named 'Manohar'
in memory of the great son of Mother India
in memory of the great son of Mother India
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^^^ love it. I think the team will be receptive to the idea. They love Manohar Parrikar ji. What's not there to love the man. I love him!
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Or Pappu!!Rahul M wrote:pray UPA-3 does not come to power or it might be named Tejpratap !
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There won't be any naming until it flies.
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The Tejas Mark 2 fighter has been bulked up into medium fighter category
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Can someone please elaborate about weapon configuration of each hard point. Can it carry a weapon load to be a perfect omnirole fighter.?
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Exactly whats new about this other than shrill scare-mongering?Austin wrote:The Tejas Mark 2 fighter has been bulked up into medium fighter category
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/03/ ... -been.html
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JMT here , What if they keep Tejas Mk2 payload to 5 T , Keep the fuel as is for Mk2.
Will that improve its T/W ratio and flying characteristics ?
Will that improve its T/W ratio and flying characteristics ?
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Why Austin ji? why are you reducing the MWF specs?
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This is not true , will speak to you offline.Karan M wrote:Indranil, as you have called Negi, BR's ertswhile scourge and most dangerous wrecker of rules and regulations, sir. He has fallen off his crate and spilled his beer, and I regret to inform you that you now owe him one.
Thing is MWF is great there I said it, however I have a personal view point i.e. Tejas should have been kept a specialist and not a jack of all trades now before I get cornered for saying it let me clarify why I say what I say, I for one don't believe in multi/omni role nonsense that is just ppt giri , there is a reason US built both F-22 and F-35 they do one thing very well i.e. never drink your own koolaid. Tejas Mk1 armed with a good radar and a high T:W ratio would make the best interceptor out there . By trying to make everyone happy and trying to do too many things one generally lands up in a situation where you cannot do at least one thing better than everyone else in the field , that is what my belief is and it cuts across all fields be it aviation or even work.
Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
Case in point: The Mig21s were fantastic interceptors; but will be toast w/ a strong CAP.
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Does Tejas Mk1A fit the bill better then?negi wrote:Tejas Mk1 armed with a good radar and a high T:W ratio would make the best interceptor out there . By trying to make everyone happy and trying to do too many things one generally lands up in a situation where you cannot do at least one thing better than everyone else in the field.
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I think Vetri Vel is the name of some internal system used in Tejas.Theeran wrote:My suggestion for name
Vetri Vel - Victory lance
Veera Vel - brave lance
Both names are for Murugan's spear, our god of war.
Or Netrikan - Sivan's third eye
IMHO, a fighter aircraft should not be named after a spear, which is more appropriate for a missile. Instead, a fighter aircraft should be named after a powerful bird of prey.
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If that helps flying quality and thrust to weight why notSaiK wrote:Why Austin ji? why are you reducing the MWF specs?
I am trying to get answer if a trade off with less payload will translate into better t:w and other parameter str etc
Just to catch up mirage payload to make replacable I hope they don't compromise on air superiority
Even a 4 T payload is good if you get superior flying quality and thrust weight above 1 with that payload
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vetrivel is su30mki's mission computer.Kakkaji wrote:I think Vetri Vel is the name of some internal system used in Tejas.Theeran wrote:My suggestion for name
Vetri Vel - Victory lance
Veera Vel - brave lance
Both names are for Murugan's spear, our god of war.
Or Netrikan - Sivan's third eye
IMHO, a fighter aircraft should not be named after a spear, which is more appropriate for a missile. Instead, a fighter aircraft should be named after a powerful bird of prey.
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i have a strange feeling, whether for lack of focus or contractual bars, we have really not kept on developing domestic subsystems and EW packages for the su30 beyond the initial flurry.
the program is in a state of ennui, with no clear roadmap into a phased MLU in terms of equipment and timeline.
IAF took the foot of pedal hoping for a payday of 126 rafales. ever since then, other than brahmos integration, what NEW has come on the su30mki in the last *10 years* ?
the program is in a state of ennui, with no clear roadmap into a phased MLU in terms of equipment and timeline.
IAF took the foot of pedal hoping for a payday of 126 rafales. ever since then, other than brahmos integration, what NEW has come on the su30mki in the last *10 years* ?
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Karan can give a more accurate reply but I think recently, we integrated R118 Dhruti Digital RWR (expanded the number of mounting points to 6 to provide enhanced coverage).
Also Su-30 is the plane of choice to perform a whole lot of new weapons carriage & release tests as well as one of the first aircrafts to get integration. I don't know when IAF will finalize Super 30 upgrade, but it provide enhanced capabilities for the aircraft.
Also this...The R118 Dhruti wideband Digital receivers were developed for the SU-30MKI. The digital receiver makes it possible to differentiate overlapping signals, differentiate single pulses among CW within a frequency band. This makes it better equipped to differentiate multiple radar threats with frequencies close to each other and also to differentiate radar emissions from the background noise. DARE is also working on digital narrowband receivers for better sensitivity and selectivity.
The source of the above is from this article. It also mentions some of the developments happening for other Russian (29UPG mainly) aircrafts as well as LCA.DARE at Aero India had also indicated that it had developed a High Band Jammer (HBJ) pod for SU-30MKI aircraft to be carried at the wingtips. The new indigenous pod is expected to have better integration with the RWR on board than the existing Russian SAP-518 pods.
Also Su-30 is the plane of choice to perform a whole lot of new weapons carriage & release tests as well as one of the first aircrafts to get integration. I don't know when IAF will finalize Super 30 upgrade, but it provide enhanced capabilities for the aircraft.
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I am guessing his privileged access to the MOD/HAL etc has reduced after all his abuse of GOI. Hence such filler articles.Prasad wrote:Exactly whats new about this other than shrill scare-mongering?Austin wrote:The Tejas Mark 2 fighter has been bulked up into medium fighter category
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2019/03/ ... -been.html
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Now you are refusing a free beer. All well? You know where to catch me.negi wrote:This is not true , will speak to you offline.Karan M wrote:Indranil, as you have called Negi, BR's ertswhile scourge and most dangerous wrecker of rules and regulations, sir. He has fallen off his crate and spilled his beer, and I regret to inform you that you now owe him one.
You are of course right.Thing is MWF is great there I said it, however I have a personal view point i.e. Tejas should have been kept a specialist and not a jack of all trades now before I get cornered for saying it let me clarify why I say what I say, I for one don't believe in multi/omni role nonsense that is just ppt giri , there is a reason US built both F-22 and F-35 they do one thing very well i.e. never drink your own koolaid. Tejas Mk1 armed with a good radar and a high T:W ratio would make the best interceptor out there . By trying to make everyone happy and trying to do too many things one generally lands up in a situation where you cannot do at least one thing better than everyone else in the field , that is what my belief is and it cuts across all fields be it aviation or even work.
Problem is the cost/numbers game has firmly moved the whole story to the Multi-Role story.
USN ended up adding Lantirn and LGB capability to the F-14. USAF started talking up precision strike capability of the F-22s. Plus it allows folks to do more with less. Net, especially for air frame constrained AFs like IAF, multi-role is here to stay. But we should optimize for A2A first and then the rest. At least keeps specs within a good range.
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Zynda has the details, but we are revamping the entire Su-30 MKI EW suite and moving it to an Indian one.Singha wrote:i have a strange feeling, whether for lack of focus or contractual bars, we have really not kept on developing domestic subsystems and EW packages for the su30 beyond the initial flurry.
the program is in a state of ennui, with no clear roadmap into a phased MLU in terms of equipment and timeline.
Path so far on RWR site (for example): Tarang--> Tarang Mk1B---> R-118 ----> 6-channel R118 (to fix masking issue from canards + afterburners)---> 6-channel Digital R-118
did a certain mahabharat character ever check his PM?IAF took the foot of pedal hoping for a payday of 126 rafales. ever since then, other than brahmos integration, what NEW has come on the su30mki in the last *10 years* ?
Astra, Litening 4I, EL-20600 RTP, Griffin NG-LGB, now SPICE-2000, amongst items for instance on the munitions front.
Desi ones in trials include the Garuda/Garuthma glide bombs with INS/SAL (30km/100km), SAAW, "dumb" 250/450/500kg HSLD, the desi FAE bomb.
In parallel, we have a lot of work going on at DARE for the Su-30 MLU. That includes Smart Wide Displays, new generation IMA Mission computers (to handle a lot of the processing load).
We also have 473 BNET SDRs on their way. My guess is the first batch will see max. integration with Su-30s, Jags and MiG-29s.
Radar - we now have an Uttam path.
Esp. if Russia continues to push for Bars-R and not an AESA, but we continue to need Russia for the engines.
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Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
This airframe looks ripe for becoming a twin engined machine,
Indian engines please will save on FX
Indian engines please will save on FX
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Re: Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter: News & Discussion - 23 February 2019
FX is the last thing on your mind when you're thinking about strategic interests like developing an engineAvtar Singh wrote:This airframe looks ripe for becoming a twin engined machine,
Indian engines please will save on FX
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Ushas will be good name. Continuation of the name Tejas.
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Guys, let's suggest something dharmic as well as fiery. Tejas was dharmic and inoffensive enough. This is a bird of war, and it's name should reflect that. Someone mentioned birds of prey, but the Navy has taken most if the good ones I know, like Rajali, Garuda, Parundhu, Hansa, Baaz, etc. Any other ideas in that line?
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Please guys no naming discussion for now. Keep it focused on the platform.
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Thank you.Karan M wrote:Please guys no naming discussion for now. Keep it focused on the platform.
The LCA was perfectly fine and so is the MWF as is the ALH.
Calling the LCA Tejas has not imbued in it anything out of the ordinary!
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JayS, these artwork of the Mk2 are great. From where did you get them?
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^ It is from the video of MWF from AeroIndia if I am not wrong.
Don't remember where I saw it on the internet.
Don't remember where I saw it on the internet.
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Aah Okay. Thanks Gaurav.
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ADA will unveil the LCA Tejas Mark II with a heavier stand-off weapon capacity in the 75th year of India’s independence, in 2022, and the long-awaited indigenous fighter, which will be manufactured by state-owned HAL will go into production by 2025-2026.
Indigenous light combat aircraft targeted by 2022
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... H_amp.html
Indigenous light combat aircraft targeted by 2022
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... H_amp.html
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What does this mean ? Less payload but more TWR ?ADA officials said the Mk II will have the same weight as the Mirage, Jaguar and Grippen but with a heavier GE 414 engine.
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Please read the first post of the thread.Avinandan wrote:What does this mean ? Less payload but more TWR ?ADA officials said the Mk II will have the same weight as the Mirage, Jaguar and Grippen but with a heavier GE 414 engine.
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How about Atayi ( in Sanskrit for kite or Cheel in hindi)Kakkaji wrote:I think Vetri Vel is the name of some internal system used in Tejas.Theeran wrote:My suggestion for name
Vetri Vel - Victory lance
Veera Vel - brave lance
Both names are for Murugan's spear, our god of war.
Or Netrikan - Sivan's third eye
IMHO, a fighter aircraft should not be named after a spear, which is more appropriate for a missile. Instead, a fighter aircraft should be named after a powerful bird of prey.
A medium sized bird with a 'V' Shaped tail
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... Nt12H.html
Long-awaited indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas Mk II targeted by 2022
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on Tejas Mark 2
Long-awaited indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas Mk II targeted by 2022
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on Tejas Mark 2
andSanctioned by the government in 2009, the Mk II will be equipped with state-of-the-art AESA radar with the indigenously developed air-to-air missile Astra, which has a range of 70km. The beyond visual range missile is currently being tested on the IAF’s Su-30 MKI fighters.
regarding the AMCAThe Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will unveil the Tejas Mark II with a heavier stand-off weapon capacity in the 75th year of India’s independence, in 2022, and the long-awaited indigenous fighter, which will be manufactured by the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), will go into production by 2025-2026, two senior defence officials said on condition of anonymity.
DRDO’s ADA finalised the design of the 17.5 ton Tejas Mark II (Mk-II) in December 2018, and is expected to lock in the design of the fifth generation twin-engine stealth fighter for Indian Air Force (IAF) by the end of the year. ADA officials said the Mk II will have the same weight as the Mirage, Jaguar and Grippen but with a heavier GE 414 engine. The qualitative requirements were frozen in late 2018, in full consultation and with the approval of the IAF, two years after the project was redesigned. The 4.5 generation fighter will go into production after the Tejas LCA (light combat aircraft) order of 123 aircraft to replace the air force’s ageing MiG-21s is completed.
ADA and IAF are also moving rapidly on the development of the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA). The 25-ton fighter will have all weapons in its belly and be powered by two engines capable of super-cruise speeds. AMCA will have complex S-shaped serpentine intakes. These hide the spinning turbine blades in the engine and are a key stealth feature. The super cruise feature allows the aircraft to accelerate without the use of after burners. Both features ensure minimum radar signatures.
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^^ I wonder if the writer knows what he was writing. Amateurish report.