Tata already builds fuselages for Boeing.
I think the correct word is assemble no?
Tata already builds fuselages for Boeing.
JayS wrote:pandyan wrote:Hari Sir,
How exactly does a wire strike protection system work? From filmi shoots, I thought main rotor or tail rotor were the ones to get entangled first. However, WSPS seems to protect against wire strikes near windshield. How effective is this? Looks like additional instruments are needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm6MwIdY4TA
In addition, there were no fatalities in wire strike accidents after installing WSPS. While the reduction in the number of fatalities is due to the WSPS, it is conjectured that the reduction in the number of wire strike accidents is because the WSPS constantly alerts the pilot to possible wire strikes.
https://twitter.com/Sikorsky/status/1140602664625016835
Ready to go: Watch how the #CH53K’s blades fold, making it easy to transport by sea, air or land.
An additional four Apaches will arrive in the coming week, and the eight will then move to the Patankhot Air Force Station for their formal induction by the IAF, in September
The Apache is seen as the first attack helicopter in India’s defence arsenal. India has been operating the Russian origin Mi 35 for years and the Apaches are set to replace the Russian-made choppers that are now on the verge of being taken out of service. The Mi-35 was seen as an assault chopper designed to carry troops into heavily defended territories. The two pilot Apache on the other hand is seen as a dedicated attack chopper, which according to defence analysts, will be a “game changer" in the tactical battle scenario.
“The helicopter has been customized to suit IAF’s future requirements and would have significant capability in mountainous terrain. The helicopter has the capability to carry out precision attacks at standoff ranges and operate in hostile airspace with threats from the ground. The ability of these helicopters to transmit and receive the battlefield picture, to and from the weapon systems through data networking makes it a lethal acquisition," the defence ministry had said in a statement in May.
Philip wrote:ET.
No takers for HAL's offer of pvt. sector building ALH Dhruvs.Reasons:
Twice the operating cost per hr. (2.1L) compared with firanv rivals.It's also thr most rxpensive in its class and a 3.5% royalty, plus a max. prod. allowed of 90 helos .With no largr market in sight too, industry views the offer as a " white elephant".
Singha wrote:Philip wrote:ET.
No takers for HAL's offer of pvt. sector building ALH Dhruvs.Reasons:
Twice the operating cost per hr. (2.1L) compared with firanv rivals.It's also thr most rxpensive in its class and a 3.5% royalty, plus a max. prod. allowed of 90 helos .With no largr market in sight too, industry views the offer as a " white elephant".
the dhruv is over powered for sea level ops as it was designed with high engine margin for 18,000 feet ops.
teh structure is also likely more rugged than those dinky Bell helis.
Katare wrote:Vivek K wrote:Four apaches!!!! OOOOOh! The Chinese are making Indian Dhotis to shiver in!
Wtf is that suppose to mean?
Vivek K wrote:
The intent - investing in another type takes funds and affects availability overall. The LCH would have been a better investment - commonality with Dhruv and available in numbers to make an impact on the battlefield.
1. LCH is not ready, even though 15 LSP have been ordered, none have completed and God knows how many years it will take
brar_w wrote: Sometime force sizing and force capability is dictated by a need and other requirements. Like, I said in my prior post to make that judgement call dig deeper into the IAF/IA's requirements process and needs assessment for which they need heavy attack helicopters. Then consider when they performed an internal AOA why the heavy helicopter requirement persisted despite of that. I think sometime the easy way out is to skip any serious analysis (as would be done by any professional armed forces) and just throw out # like saying we could have purchased X instead of Y in significantly greater quantities..As if that option was not part of the analysis done by the professionals that they weighed against several other factors that led them towards one particular requirements process and procurement decision.
fanne wrote:1. LCH is not ready, even though 15 LSP have been ordered, none have completed and God knows how many years it will take
JayS wrote:fanne wrote:1. LCH is not ready, even though 15 LSP have been ordered, none have completed and God knows how many years it will take
Correction - not ordered, only cleared by CCS. HAL has already started building them despite no signed orders.
Indranil wrote:The first LUH has come out of Tumkur facility this January. IOC is expected by end of this year. No sign of Ka-226 yet. Five years back I had said this would happen. Ka-226 is a geopolitical buy.
I am still to see the use case where the Apache can do and two LCHs can't. I will wait till somebody comes up with a real battle scenario. Apache to me is another fanboy/geopolitical buy.
sum wrote:JayS wrote:Correction - not ordered, only cleared by CCS. HAL has already started building them despite no signed orders.
So LCH will turn into a IAF Arjun?
Philip wrote:ET.
No takers for HAL's offer of pvt. sector building ALH Dhruvs.Reasons:
Twice the operating cost per hr. (2.1L) compared with firanv rivals.It's also thr most rxpensive in its class and a 3.5% royalty, plus a max. prod. allowed of 90 helos .With no largr market in sight too, industry views the offer as a " white elephant".
sum wrote:JayS wrote:Correction - not ordered, only cleared by CCS. HAL has already started building them despite no signed orders.
So LCH will turn into a IAF Arjun?
deejay wrote:Philip wrote:ET.
No takers for HAL's offer of pvt. sector building ALH Dhruvs.Reasons:
Twice the operating cost per hr. (2.1L) compared with firanv rivals.It's also thr most rxpensive in its class and a 3.5% royalty, plus a max. prod. allowed of 90 helos .With no largr market in sight too, industry views the offer as a " white elephant".
deejay wrote:......I'd say Dhruv gives more value at almost half the acquisition cost. The Operating Cost is all bull at Rs. 2,10,000 for the same metrics as Bell 412 EPI. ....
The royalty @3.5% is no different from what commission a broker / middleman gets in the Aviation business. Without the development costs being loaded on the manufacturer, I do not see a problem. That cap of 90 is not a problem if the manufacturer does not see a large market but then there is a large market. India alone will absorb more than 100 helicopters on the civil side by 2026 as presented by Airbus last year. So anyone who signs up with HAL is actually signing on a winner and rest is all BullShite as deep as Challenger Deep.
Khalsa wrote:sum wrote:So LCH will turn into a IAF Arjun?
Indranil wrote:
I am still to see the use case where the Apache can do and two LCHs can't.
Cybaru wrote:Khalsa wrote:
That is the hope of my chaiwallahs! The IAF org wants a way to just kill LCH!
Cybaru wrote:Khalsa wrote:
That is the hope of my chaiwallahs! The IAF org wants a way to just kill LCH!
ramana wrote:Cybaru wrote:
That is the hope of my chaiwallahs! The IAF org wants a way to just kill LCH!
Its plain untruth.
IAF brass realizes they need to go local as much as possible to maximize the financial resources.
The old days of a colonial force are long over.
Indranil wrote:Cybaru,
LCH's future is secure. I am afraid your beer money is not.
IAF/IA have no doubt that they want the LCH. There is no doubt that HAL can churn out LCHs at great speed. With Helina/SANT almost ready, all its weapons will also be ready. It is a matter MoF loosening the purse strings. I expect it to be next year.
Cybaru wrote:Indranil wrote:Cybaru,
LCH's future is secure. I am afraid your beer money is not.
IAF/IA have no doubt that they want the LCH. There is no doubt that HAL can churn out LCHs at great speed. With Helina/SANT almost ready, all its weapons will also be ready. It is a matter MoF loosening the purse strings. I expect it to be next year.
I am happy you think my beer money is not safe! Make it happen! Ramana gets free beer... Bring on the orders!
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