Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby nachiket » 06 Apr 2020 23:37

FL is not the same as ft. FL250 is 25000 ft as measured by a altimeter calibrated to standard atm pressure (1013.25 hPa) at sea level. In this case if the engine caught fire seconds after takeoff that would have happened at 250 ft not FL250. The report is correct.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 30 Apr 2020 22:33

https://twitter.com/Defence_XP/status/1 ... 59841?s=20 ---> IAF Dornier Do-228 aircraft during take off at Palam airport experienced a tyre deflation. The captain of the aircraft took prompt and correct actions of aborting the take off. Crew on board are safe. Some damage to aircraft, towed off runway.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Prithwiraj » 08 May 2020 12:29

A fighter has crashed in Punjab... breaking news

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 12:30

Mig 29 crash pilot safe initial report

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 08 May 2020 12:34

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 03194.html
An Indian Air Force fighter aircraft has crashed in Punjab. More details awaited.

The crash happened in Nawanshahr in Punjab. The pilot had a narrow escape. The probe on find out the exact cause of the crash.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 08 May 2020 14:27

Relieved to hear that the pilot ejected safely!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shubham » 08 May 2020 17:59

Yesterday morning one Mi-17 V5 made a forced landing in North Sikkim due to some technical issue. All crew safe.

https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/news/india/mi-17-helicopter-of-iaf-makes-force-landing-in-sikkim-all-personnel-safe/articleshow/75596499.cms

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby fanne » 08 May 2020 18:09

Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IAF. Last few days slew of bad news all around - 4/5 gas leaks, mi 17 (which is also one of the safest helicopter), mig 29, railway disaster, before that Halwara encounter....

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby dinesh_kimar » 08 May 2020 20:14

fanne wrote:Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IA..


A look at BRFs Aircraft archives does suggest that Mig 29 seems safe.

Mig 29: (18 crashes of 70 inducted)

Jaguar: (56 of 165 inducted)

Mirage: (12 of 60 inducted)

While crashes are a natural phenomenon in all Air Force's which flog men and equipment hard, the following observations are:

Mirage , though single engined, seems to have least attrition of 20%, and surprisingly Mig 29 is better than Jaguar, though both are twin engined.

So , while aero manufacturing/ engineering, make the sub systems more redundant and Mirage like, modular in nature, self diagnostic, and reliable as hell, have good technicians at hand for MRO, and good quality supply chain from reputed suppliers.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby fanne » 08 May 2020 21:26

I mig29 crashes did you include navy’s crashes? If yes then include Navy’s numbers as well.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 08 May 2020 21:36

Thank goodness the pilot survived! Official tweet below from the Indian Air Force.

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1258 ... 71680?s=20 ---> #ThankYouIndia: The IAF's MiG-29 Pilot who ejected today near Hoshiyarpur was given timely assistance and care by the local people of Rurkee Kalan, Nawanshahr, Punjab.

I cannot place twitter videos in here, so go to this link ---> https://twitter.com/search?q=MiG-29%20f ... ick&f=live

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 21:59

Crash rates of fighters

Mirage 2000- 0.4/10000hr

Mig 29 & Jaguar- 0.8 /10000hrs

Mig 29 flies 90hrs/year 4000hr life 45 year life

Mirage 2000/ Jaguar 150hrs/year 50 year life

Mig 29 -18 crashes of 80

Jaguar -55 crashes of 168

Mirage 2000 -11 crashes of 59

Mig 29 k could have same crash rate of Mig 29
4000 hours life
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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 22:10

My est for Su30 mki is 0.25crash/10000hrs
150 hours / year 40 year life 6000hours

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby deejay » 10 May 2020 17:28

dinesh_kimar wrote:
fanne wrote:Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IA..


A look at BRFs Aircraft archives does suggest that Mig 29 seems safe.

Mig 29: (18 crashes of 70 inducted)

Jaguar: (56 of 165 inducted)

Mirage: (12 of 60 inducted)

While crashes are a natural phenomenon in all Air Force's which flog men and equipment hard, the following observations are:

Mirage , though single engined, seems to have least attrition of 20%, and surprisingly Mig 29 is better than Jaguar, though both are twin engined.

So , while aero manufacturing/ engineering, make the sub systems more redundant and Mirage like, modular in nature, self diagnostic, and reliable as hell, have good technicians at hand for MRO, and good quality supply chain from reputed suppliers.


Jags quite often have low -low flight profile. Crashes would be higher for them.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 10 May 2020 19:44

Is there a breakup (Engine failure, Pilot error, Bird hit,.. ) available? That would give a clearer picture

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