https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 4627607552Indian forces are keeping a very close watch on PLA buildup in Depsang-DBO in Ladakh.
Report: Indian Army has deployed a mix of armoured and mechanized elements at Depsang Plains and another combat group at Chumar to counter any PLA retaliatory moves.
UN peacekeepers refused to help as aid workers were raped in South Sudan – report
Chinese troops abandoned their posts rather than engage in fighting and protect civilians, says US-based rights group
United Nations peacekeepers stayed in their bases rather than protect civilians during an outbreak of fighting in South Sudan in July, a rights group has said.
Chinese UN peacekeepers in the capital Juba “abandoned their posts entirely” at one civilian protection site where tens of thousands had sought safety from successive bouts of fighting, a report by the US-based Centre for Civilians in Conflict (Civic) said.
Although Ethiopian troops appear to have withdrawn from their perimeter positions at another base, civilians said the peacekeepers helped evacuate civilian casualties and, on at least a few occasions, returned fire when fighters targeted the camp. Outside the fortified bases, however, peacekeeper presence was “non-existent”.
The failures came amid clashes in Juba between troops from the government’s Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA), loyal to the president Salva Kiir, and opposition forces of his rival Riek Machar. The street battles, in which scores were killed, were the culmination of months of tension between the two factions, and resulted in the flight of Machar from South Sudan.
During four days of fighting between the rival forces, artillery rounds and gunfire hit two UN bases, killing two Chinese peacekeepers.
The Chinese troops subsequently abandoned their posts, leaving weapons and ammunition behind, the report said.
More than 300 people died in the fighting, with the majority of the military casualties sustained by the rebels. A number of government soldiers from the SPLA were also killed.
However, civilians suffered worst, with tens of thousands displaced by the violence and widespread human rights abuses by both sides.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/s ... 2016-07-14On the last day of the fighting, about 80 to 100 government soldiers attacked a compound in Juba where they raped and gang-raped at least five international aid workers and physically or sexually assaulted at least a dozen others.
All this happened when there was a UN Base manned by Chinese peacekeepers only a few hundred metres from the compound. However despite dozens of appeals for help from the besieged aid workers and personal visits from at least one who escaped from the compound, the Chinese peacekeepers simply REFUSED to leave the safety of their base.
Let me restate what I have understood from the General and see if you too have come to the same conclusion ..manjgu wrote:1) he makes 2 different stmts..one is about black top etc which negates chini in the chushul sector And a height over F4 which dominates F 4.F8 and ane la pass...( which i dont know cuts access to what?).pankajs wrote: From what I understand .. Starting @ 1:57] what the General is saying is that our capture of Black top has neutralized the Chinese advantage on the north bank of Pangang tso BECAUSE there is a height on F4 that dominates <<f2-8/something>> AND "Ane La" which we COULD have used to cut off the Chinese <<at IB/Fort area and trapping the Chinese in the middle>> ... Now we have squared up the game.
So "this" height he is referring to is the Black top <<or something near>> that allows us to "negate" the advantage that occupation of F4 and a specific location on F4 allowed the Chinese.
2) per se exchanging these occupations with chini withdrawing from f4 to f8 is utter nonsense. With a black top road from f4 to f8 and beyond how does it matter if chini are at F6 or f7 or f8... even if they withdraw to f8 they can capture all the height captured by us on 1st sept and then calmly drive to f4 once again... one has to be v stupid. ofc i dont the know the implications of other chini incursions... but to my limited understanding the chini incursions are on relatively flat ground not exactly high features like mountain tops ?
That <<f2-8/something >> is actually Phobrang bowl which is towards the North East, which is an important IA base. The Phobrang base is accessible to both Marsimik La and Ane La and vice versa. As YIP stated, this is a pivot for attack towards both Gogra/Hot Springs as well as towards the northern bank of Pangong Tso.pankajs wrote:From what I understand .. Starting @ 1:57] what the General is saying is that our capture of Black top has neutralized ....BECAUSE there is a height on F4 that dominates <<f2-8/something>> AND "Ane La" which we COULD have used to cut off the Chinese
Thnx...understoodY I Patel wrote:@manjgu - I have a post several weeks ago on Ane La, Piu La and Tratsang La. Rolling down Ane La or the other two passes would enable IA to threaten Fort Khurnak, which is way to the east of Sirijap (Finger 8 ) and on the AJ line aka India’s border with Tibet
No LAC 'perceptions' issues hereafter. It is free for all in the so-called 'disputed areas', along the deliberately kept un-delineated LAC by China.
It had to happen sooner or later.
I think people need to wake up and understand what a **** this chap is (as a forum mod, have to self-censor). He's literally not a worthy individual in any sense of the phrase.Shanmukh wrote:His mum, VS Chandralekha, is one of Subramanian Swamy's old associates, and Subramanian Swamy has always been a fan of appeasing China [or, rather, not annoying China] at any price. That is where he is coming from.Jarita wrote:Where is the Odisha police when you need them?
I've never been a fan of this anti indigenous development, pro US base bit of confetti. However, there are plenty in the ether, that go gaga over his crazily vascillating statements.
https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1301167979283898369
https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1301168514267410432
All these calculations of GDP, industrialisation, etc, while important, are not as important as the single most important point-the will to fight, even with a small, well-equipped army. The Chinese are fighting a war of conquest and the Indians are fighting for the motherland, with short supply lines. Makes a whole lot of difference.
Nice!! Did you notice the IA in strength there? I only have bookish knowledge of the area.manjgu wrote:I have stayed in phobrang village for 3 nights..never realised its dual importance then..
I feel what he wants to tell is, what if china border also becomes like Pak border always running hot? How can any country survive for long 2.0 hot border with (0.5) good friends like media, tolerant, secular people inside?Karan M wrote:
I think people need to wake up and understand what a **** this chap is (as a forum mod, have to self-censor). He's literally not a worthy individual in any sense of the phrase.
Starting will be easy! But what will be the end game?manjgu wrote:Who ever shoots first will have huge advantage. ...camps in open...no cover ... not good news for infantry...armour...i am having wet dreams of 100+ IAF planes shhoting up pla camps .... huge explosions ...chini shriking ..running into pangong ..drowing ...armour being hit by cbu xyz .... etc etc...
This is the key line. It is LAC as you feel like.putnanja wrote:Gen Ved Prakash on twitter
No LAC 'perceptions' issues hereafter. It is free for all in the so-called 'disputed areas', along the deliberately kept un-delineated LAC by China.
It had to happen sooner or later.
And in India also we have a saying about this "Arre Hua, hua to hua".India triggered the latest clash with China on their Himalayan border by executing a stealth night-time operation to claim strategic outposts offering a clear view of troop movements in disputed territory, according to Indian officials with knowledge of the matter.
In what they called India’s first offensive move since the conflict began in May, thousands of soldiers climbed up mountain peaks for about six hours to claim the vantage points along the south bank of Pangong Tso -- a glacial lake roughly the size of Singapore. The action was taken to counter what India saw an intrusion by Chinese forces, the officials said, asking not to be identified due to rules on speaking to the media.
The decision to capture high ground that was previously unoccupied along the 3,488 kilometer (2,162 mile) Line of Actual Control revived a conflict that had been largely dormant since June. Back then, India and China’s worst dispute in four decades culminated in the death of 20 Indian soldiers and an unknown number of Chinese soldiers in an ugly battle.
China on Wednesday accused India of breaching agreements between the two sides and unilaterally changing the status quo. An Indian Army spokesman wasn’t immediately available for a comment.
“In China, we have a saying about a guilty man protesting conspicuously his innocence,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters in Beijing. “That’s just what India did.”
Chinese and American elites are quite inter-meshed. Xi is the upstart who murdered many, took over their assets and so on to reach where he is. Within China, there is a Deng clique, a Jiang clique, a Hu clique and of course a Xi clique. These people are phenomenally rich and way more powerful than any western or Indian billionaire. The only hiccup is that their prosperity depends on access to world-wide markets. Xi is not a very popular guy in China because of the violent way he reached power, and the consequent 'upping the ante' with the west that they believe is premature, and thrust China and its rich communist power brokers into a conflict with the world that they can not win. Its likely the leaks are coming from these disgruntled sections.Suraj wrote:How does US intelligence establish things like “ Beijing remains enraged that its local commander withdrew forces when a physical conflict appeared imminent, ” Not saying they’re wrong, but assuming they are correct, it implies they have espionage resources that are able to intercept internal PLA communication of this kind. Do we have the ability to intercept secure PLA radio traffic too ?
This can be a problem. An army is supposed to focus its energies on a single decision point, not scatter them far and wide across a 3000km front. I wonder if this was not the desired outcome from the Chinese, get several Indian divisions tied down on the LAC thus relieving pressure on Pak on the LOC and help prevent any large future reprisals on that border, postponing the comeuppance of PakMil by a few more years and giving them space to continue their insurgencies in India.putnanja wrote:Gen Ved Prakash on twitter
No LAC 'perceptions' issues hereafter. It is free for all in the so-called 'disputed areas', along the deliberately kept un-delineated LAC by China.
It had to happen sooner or later.
In many cases, Chinese and American elites are quite literally sleeping together. Dont underestimate the hum-int the US has in China. In some ways, culturally, they are a good fit. Hyper materialistic, flashy, strivers, polite on the outside. Unlike emotional, contemplative, content and inward looking Indian culture.Suraj wrote:I just find it interesting that the US readily demonstrated its access to encrypted Chinese milcoms and even insight into Beijing's rage at PLA actions at the engagement frontier (I won't call it border). It's an interesting power play by Unkil to step in and say 'we hear what you're arguing about in the midst of this, and know what you really think too'.
That is not a fair comparison. We are fully ready to take on Chinese advances defensively and do some strategic capture of heights.rsingh wrote:Well said. But we know how to end. We did it in 1971.
The Chinese have already given the Pakistanis the nuclear weapons to "prevent any large future reprisals on that border".sudeepj wrote:This can be a problem. An army is supposed to focus its energies on a single decision point, not scatter them far and wide across a 3000km front. I wonder if this was not the desired outcome from the Chinese, get several Indian divisions tied down on the LAC thus relieving pressure on Pak on the LOC and help prevent any large future reprisals on that border, postponing the comeuppance of PakMil by a few more years and giving them space to continue their insurgencies in India.
The only thing I can think of as to why China hasn't settled the dispute there is to provoke India into buying foreign weapons instead of building up its own MIC.
Yes that's likely. Without overly siding with us, Unkil is trolling Beijing by making revelations, and even letting Bloomberg openly state that India captured a bunch of things. It's a pretty interesting game on Unkil's part, something akin to standing ringside in a fight and gently tying together one boxer's shoelaces.Mort Walker wrote:Suraj,
Unkil has not made any formal statement, but intermediaries and planned leaks are revealing. If the current US government changes in January, expect much different statements and leaks. Pressure will be on India overtly and covertly.
I think Chushul airfield should be fast tracked just so that we can reach supplies and replacement personnel quickly to the area. No military aircraft allowed in a 10km range of the LAC I believe. So we should let Spicejet fly charter ATRs in broad daylight. The best thing we can do is to give a little comfort to our soldiers manning the windy peaks at 5000+ meters as the mercury continues to dip. Send them the best snacks and fruits available in their hometowns and mithai for Diwali and other festivals.Prasad wrote:This might be a good time for fast-tracking Nyoma airfield upgrade and reactivating Chushul airfield.
No sane military will land a aircraft with in 6 km from the enemy camp who have a clear view of the strip that too a civilian craft unless they are so desperateyensoy wrote:I think Chushul airfield should be fast tracked just so that we can reach supplies and replacement personnel quickly to the area. No military aircraft allowed in a 10km range of the LAC I believe. So we should let Spicejet fly charter ATRs in broad daylight. The best thing we can do is to give a little comfort to our soldiers manning the windy peaks at 5000+ meters as the mercury continues to dip. Send them the best snacks and fruits available in their hometowns and mithai for Diwali and other festivals.Prasad wrote:This might be a good time for fast-tracking Nyoma airfield upgrade and reactivating Chushul airfield.
