Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby nachiket » 08 Aug 2020 01:00

YashG wrote:Absolutely.
In battle of plassey - 12 odd cast iron cannons went against 30 or more cannons of the Bengal state. And you knw what happened next.
But our 'thops' are also good are good as well. This piece of history is behind us. That 1000 year humiliation is also never going to happen again.

If you look at the state of indigenous defence r&d for most of our post-independence history and the lack of focus and support to it even now, you might be right to wonder whether we learnt any lessons from the historical debacles. I mean we are importing rifles from the US right now for the Army.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby nachiket » 08 Aug 2020 01:17

Aditya_V wrote:The question is why were they dependent on a single leader and why was the defeat not avenged , shows there was lack of institutional planning which continues to this day.

You may have confused Peshwa Madhavrao with someone else (probably his older brother Vishwasrao who died at Panipat) if you were talking about the defeat at Panipat. Madhavrao was only 16 at the time of Panipat and did not fight there. He became the Peshwa a few months after the battle of Panipat when his father, Peshwa Nanasaheb (aka Balaji Bajirao) died. His uncle Raghunathrao was made regent.

As for avenging the defeat, as Adrija has pointed out 10 years later the Marathas had got back their territory in the north and even occupied Delhi again. The Rohillas who had sided with Abdali were defeated by Mahadji Shinde in 1772-73 as well. Najib Khan Rohilla was already dead by then however, so the Marathas dug his bones out and destroyed his grave after defeating his son in battle.

Madhavrao's problems during his reign were mainly because of infighting with his uncle Raghunathrao. He would have achieved a lot more even in the short time he had had it not been for Raghunathrao scheming and going against him at every juncture, especially during their campaigns in the south against the Nizam and Hyder Ali.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby YashG » 08 Aug 2020 12:39

nachiket wrote:
YashG wrote:Absolutely.
In battle of plassey - 12 odd cast iron cannons went against 30 or more cannons of the Bengal state. And you knw what happened next.
But our 'thops' are also good are good as well. This piece of history is behind us. That 1000 year humiliation is also never going to happen again.

If you look at the state of indigenous defence r&d for most of our post-independence history and the lack of focus and support to it even now, you might be right to wonder whether we learnt any lessons from the historical debacles. I mean we are importing rifles from the US right now for the Army.


Yes. Quite so. This cant/shudnt be allowed to go on for any longer.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby Virendra » 02 Oct 2020 18:54

Book Release: Prithviraj Chauhan - a Light on the Mist in History
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Postby Virendra » 02 Oct 2020 18:55

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby tsarkar » 02 Oct 2020 20:01

Well done, Virendra! Its always been a pleasure reading your well researched posts here and I'm sure the book will reflect your meticulous attention to details and facts. I ordered my book online.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby Virendra » 02 Oct 2020 20:34

Thanks tsarkar!
I hope it meets your expectations.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby Srutayus » 02 Oct 2020 21:02

Hi Virendra,
Unable to purchase the Kindle version from the US.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby rajkumar » 05 Oct 2020 13:53

Battle of Diu 1538 - Ottoman-Portuguese War for India DOCUMENTARY https://youtu.be/_P6PIndpEAc via @YouTube

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby Virendra » 12 Oct 2020 15:40

Srutayus wrote:Hi Virendra,
Unable to purchase the Kindle version from the US.

Hi Srutayus,
Please go to amazon.com on browser and lookup the Kindle edition. It is downloadable from there.

If any of you guys finishes reading the book. You're most welcome to pen a no holds barred review on social media or blogs. :)

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby ramana » 14 Oct 2020 04:54

Virendra will get the book and read.
Lots of myths around Prithviraj Chauhan.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby Virendra » 27 Oct 2020 14:08

ramana wrote:Virendra will get the book and read.
Lots of myths around Prithviraj Chauhan.

Sure Ramana. When you're done, feel free to write a no holds barred review at the platform of your choosing - Amazon, social media etc.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby rajkumar » 27 Oct 2020 21:06

Battle of Palkhed, 1728 AD Mughal - Maratha Wars https://youtu.be/5ooOWQdYE_A via @YouTube

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby tsarkar » 29 Oct 2020 21:36

Hi Virendra,

Finished reading your book. As someone who loves facts over fiction, I really liked the way you went through multiple sources and discussed the merits of each source before finally settling on your analysis.

Some additional things I would have liked were -

1. Map of the second invasion like the first one
2. Photos of the various plates, pillars & inscriptions referred in your book.
3. More details on Hariraja and Govindraja IV after the death of Prithviraj. That would have given a sense of continuity.
4. Who was the mother of Govindraja IV?
5. What really happened to Prithviraj between Tarain 1 & 2 that changed a dynamic go getter to a lackluster performance.
6. I find Vigraharaja IV's exploits far more impressive than Prithviraj III's. Why is he less popular than P3?
7. More details on Govindraja Tomar of Delhi. He seems to be a great general in both battles
8. Some more on the rescue attempt by Udayraja Gauda
9. Where were Udayraja Gauda and Skanda?

Lastly to answer the following questions -
1. Why P3 defeated Paramardi but didnt capture territory?
2. Why P3 defeated Ghori but let him go on payment of ransom?
3. Why P3's neighbours were generally antagonistic?

One can find the answers in the Marathas.

The Chauhan territories were arid not supporting agriculture and in the absence of trade, revenue came from tribute. The Marathas mounted raids for Chauth. That made them very unpopular with other people.

P3's battles with Paramardi and Chalukyas were primarily tribute driven than for territorial acquisition like the Maratha Chauth raids. And needless to say, the tribute raids made P3 unpopular with his neighbours.

Similarly I speculate the ranson money paid by Ghori was seen as more valuable than killing him. Anyways killing would have not have any long term effect given that other adventurer generals like Aibak or Iltutmish were anyways biding their time.

Aurangzeb's killing of Sambhaji has zero effect in neutralizing the Maratha confederacy given that Santaji, Dhanaji, etc continued to fight the Mughals.

In that light, Prithviraj decided to ransom Ghori rather than kill him. Similarly Ghori too kept Prithviraj alive initially given that the Turks would have lacked manpower to rule Ajmer and Chauhan state. A client ruler would have generated more revenue for them. They installed Govindraja IV on the throne for the same reason.

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Re: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat

Postby tsarkar » 29 Oct 2020 22:13

Personally I am very happy you covered the military aspects of Tarain 1 & 2 in proper detail.

The famous Rajput Charge in Tarain 1 destroying Ghurid wings and the horse archer flank attacks in Tarain 2.

Tarain 2 was very similar to Roman defeat in Battle of Carrhae where Parthians used light horse archers and heavy cavalry cataphracts alternately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae

You are absolutely right in pointing out that Indians were better in melee battle while the Turks & Afghans in maneuver battle. Much later Portuguese and British emphasize this point of avoiding melee and engaging in the distance using cannons and muskets. They advise retreat instead of melee if the enemy comes close.

You covered the difficulties in breeding and maintaining horses in India. My good friend Col. Jhala of Remount & Veterinary Corps Center at Saharanpur will attest to this. The British overcame this with their thoroughbred horses that combined performance with hardiness to Indian subcontinental conditions.

As sweet revenge, horses bred in India and Indian Cavalry men defeated the Turks in WW1 in Islamic Heartlands of Palestine.

Col Jhala headed the RVC Center at Saharanpur that bred thoroughbreds in large numbers until the turn of the century when mechanization and aircraft made horses totally obsolete.


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