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In three years, DRDO has completed 91 such agreements which were related to transfer of technology with industries. For this, DRDO had received Rs 11.98 crore as a fee. DRDO Chairman Dr G Satheesh Reddy has said that at this time there is a dire need to explore new trends in technology. These trends are very important for the world class test range at the moment.
Indigenous equipment preferred
It has been said on behalf of the government that in the data which it has received from the Controller General of Defense Accounts (CGDA), detailed information has been given about the purchase of defense equipment. Apart from this, the equipment purchased by the three armies in the last 3 years also shows that imports are coming down. According to the information shared by the government, defense equipment was purchased in 2018-2019 for Rs 93474 crore.
Out of this, goods were purchased from domestic producers for Rs 50500 crore.
Similarly, from Rs 108340 crore in 2019-2020 and Rs 63722 crore to domestic manufacturers and in 2020-2021 Rs 139341 crore was spent on defense equipment, out of which Rs 88632 crore came in the share of domestic companies.
Licensing agreement between NPOL & keltron for
{1} The USHUS Simulator
{2} UWACS Triton
{3}AIDSS Advanced indegenous distress sonar system
All the systems designed by NPOL and realised via keltron as development partner
In order to provide an equal playing field for the private defence manufacturers and OEMs, the Defence Ministry is soon going to issue requests for proposal (RFPs) to set up eight defence testing facilities in the country in partnership with the private sector, an official statement said issued by the Ministry on Monday.
R&DE (E), Pune has done pioneering work in establishing processes for product development related to naval and land applications. Examples of this effort are carbon fibre reinforced bridges of different spans for the army that are 40 percent lighter in comparison to their metallic counterparts.
Glass fibre-reinforced armoured vehicle hulls with integral ceramics armour have also been developed.
The main challenge is the paucity of industry support for manufacturing high-end military-grade composites products.
(The information has been provided by the officials of the Defence Research Development Organisation)
DRDO develops advanced chaff technology for IAF jets: All you need to know
The Air Force has started the process of induction of advanced chaff technology after completion of successful user trials, according to DRDO. It has been developed to protect the fighters jets against hostile radar threats.
The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has developed an advanced chaff technology to safeguard Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets against hostile radar threats.
This come a few months after the DRDO developed a similar technology for naval ships to protect them from missile attacks.
The technology was developed in three variants. The Indian Navy conducted trials of all three variants in the Arabian Sea on Indian Naval Ship and found the performance satisfactory.
Where has the technology been developed?
The advanced chaff technology has been developed by DRDO's defence laboratory situated in Rajasthan's Jodhpur.
It was developed in collaboration with high energy materials research laboratory in Pune to meet qualitative requirements of the IAF. The Air Force has started the process of induction of this technology after completion of successful user trials, according to DRDO.
Defence Laboratory Jodhpur indigenously developed three variants of the critical technology, namely Short Range Chaff Rocket (SRCR), Medium Range Chaff Rocket (MRCR) and Long Range Chaff Rocket (LRCR) to meet the navy's qualitative requirements, according to the defence ministry.
Not 100% sure but while making the PG-HSLD model, it seemed that reason being the HSLD-500 having diameter closer to the GP-1000lb widely used r8 now (HSLD 450 is slimmer).ramana wrote:I have a question on HSLD.
What is the difference between the 450 kg HSLD and the 500 kg HSLD?
The ARDE developed the 450kg HSLD quite some time ago and lots of LGB kit integration happened.
Now why did DRDO have to make a 500 Kg HSLD?
Did some requirements change?
Vivek K Saar,Vivek K wrote:We like to blame others for everything without blaming ourselves for anything. Well, you cannot play tennis standing at one spot hoping that your opponent will hit the ball to you. To win, you have to take the initiative and take the fight to the opponent. Foreign policy/geopolitik is somewhat similar - the biggest problem gets the biggest solution.
.....snip
We should have continued with Maruts and exported them all over the world - yet we bought an under powered so called DPSA instead, that has not seen action anywhere during its tenure. The effect - destruction of a budding domestic MIC and lack of economic stability to buy a POS dud. Instead of earning money through the exports of proudly built HF-24s and HF-73s, we are stuck being the largest importer of arms in the world - a title full of shame.
Nations do not have friends, only interests. And at this point of time, our interest are similar to that of the Western nations, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines (and other of China's neighbors) with China the world's threat #1. But are our foreign policy and strategic mandarins up to the great game? We have to play our cards right - create or be part of the big problems instead of being "non-aligned spectators". How come we don't have sales of ALH, Rudra, LCH, Astra, Arjun, Shivaliks, etc to Vietnam/Philippines or joint development projects with Taiwan. We're scared of wishing Taiwan on their important days while China (and Roos) supplies Pukistan all kinds of hardware to kill Indians.
So instead of beating our chests, show the world that we are a power to contend with. Build domestic MIC and export Indian weapons aggressively. It should be mandated that any Indian Armed forces officer that criticizes Indian products will be court martialed. Make nice brochures, over hype capabilities and sell, sell, sell.
I see the question as - Can foreign nations expect to find a bulwark against China in India? Is India ready for the big leagues? Or are our foreign policy mandarins so confused that they need to remain "Non Aligned" i.e. be so dependent on its vendors from all over the world so as to not have an independent, sovereign foreign policy.
Can you move this post to another thread? It does not relate to this thread.Vivek K wrote:We like to blame others for everything....
It is a criticism of the whiny topic. How is it not relevant to the topic?Rakesh wrote:Can you move this post to another thread? It does not relate to this thread.Vivek K wrote:We like to blame others for everything....
Thank you for your co-operation in this matter. Any technical issues, please let me know.
Really? I thought we were using Adour engines for the HF-24. And with the addition of after burner, the prototype was showing a lot of promise when further development was stopped since we purchased the Jag!venkat_kv wrote: Vivek K Saar,
This might be OT for this thread, modsmay move this to the appropriate mil thread if required.
One main reason for the bolded part is we still don't make the heart and brain of the military vehicles so to speak. We are dependent on the West, israelis or the Russians for the engines, and some of the spares for the weaponry. so there exists a veto power by those nations for our export.
there is no point in trying to sell or make a big announcement only to back off because we didn't get the green signal. We will have to keep chugging along and we should get there knocking one thing at a time off atleast.
responding here as it seemed OT to talk about extended military sales in strategic affairs thread about the US trustworthiness. Mods may move this post to the appropriate thread if its not in a correct location.Vivek K wrote:Really? I thought we were using Adour engines for the HF-24. And with the addition of after burner, the prototype was showing a lot of promise when further development was stopped since we purchased the Jag!venkat_kv wrote: Vivek K Saar,
This might be OT for this thread, mods may move this to the appropriate mil thread if required.
One main reason for the bolded part is we still don't make the heart and brain of the military vehicles so to speak. We are dependent on the West, israelis or the Russians for the engines, and some of the spares for the weaponry. so there exists a veto power by those nations for our export.
there is no point in trying to sell or make a big announcement only to back off because we didn't get the green signal. We will have to keep chugging along and we should get there knocking one thing at a time off atleast.
Point is - are we a reliable strategic partner? Are we ready to shoulder our required burden? That question should be answered before we start blaming the world for their shortcomings. We will only need reliable strategic partners if we are ready to play in the big leagues. Unless by a strategic partner we imply merely paying lip service to our egos and cast aspersions on our enemies.
we are not an expansionist power nor are we hegemonistic.Vivek K wrote:We like to blame others for everything without blaming ourselves for anything. Well, you cannot play tennis standing at one spot hoping that your opponent will hit the ball to you. To win, you have to take the initiative and take the fight to the opponent. Foreign policy/geopolitik is somewhat similar - the biggest problem gets the biggest solution.
When has India taken the initiative (except recent strikes)- the problem is so bad that we are scared to give orders to domestic industry for fear of angering suppliers that have gotten fat from our orders. We are ready to kill domestic MIC and perpetually import everything. Imagine negotiating for upgrades for the POS T-90 while Arjuns wait for orders. I believe the question should be - can India depend, nay define its own strategic vision? Is the only goal of our foreign policy to merely save Kashmir? Or do we have a vision of a greater vision - or expanding our sphere of influence?
And then do we have the b$lls to take the fight to the enemy? How come PAF escaped on Feb 27th with only one F-16 down? Why didn't we destroy the entire PAF on the ground in retaliation for their strike? Who will help us when we cannot help ourselves? And how long are we going to need handouts? Why isn't India a Great Power militarily and economically on its own today?
We should have continued with Maruts and exported them all over the world - yet we bought an under powered so called DPSA instead, that has not seen action anywhere during its tenure. The effect - destruction of a budding domestic MIC and lack of economic stability to buy a POS dud. Instead of earning money through the exports of proudly built HF-24s and HF-73s, we are stuck being the largest importer of arms in the world - a title full of shame.
Nations do not have friends, only interests. And at this point of time, our interest are similar to that of the Western nations, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines (and other of China's neighbors) with China the world's threat #1. But are our foreign policy and strategic mandarins up to the great game? We have to play our cards right - create or be part of the big problems instead of being "non-aligned spectators". How come we don't have sales of ALH, Rudra, LCH, Astra, Arjun, Shivaliks, etc to Vietnam/Philippines or joint development projects with Taiwan. We're scared of wishing Taiwan on their important days while China (and Roos) supplies Pukistan all kinds of hardware to kill Indians.
So instead of beating our chests, show the world that we are a power to contend with. Build domestic MIC and export Indian weapons aggressively. It should be mandated that any Indian Armed forces officer that criticizes Indian products will be court martialed. Make nice brochures, over hype capabilities and sell, sell, sell.
I see the question as - Can foreign nations expect to find a bulwark against China in India? Is India ready for the big leagues? Or are our foreign policy mandarins so confused that they need to remain "Non Aligned" i.e. be so dependent on its vendors from all over the world so as to not have an independent, sovereign foreign policy.
This post is such a keeper. Sometimes I wish that BRF had an articles thread where resident experts write such detailed posts that are so commonsensical yet extremely relevant.chetak wrote:we are not an expansionist power nor are we hegemonistic.
we are content to remain in our own bubble, doing our thing.
A missile can be used in battle, usually just one time before a whole host of countries figure out how to counter it and render it ineffective.
Someone should ask the israelis how they learned to counter the arab launched russki missiles so quickly and effectively.
Unfortunately, India doesnt have the budget (yet) to sustain a large defence industry. The only way out is to export and then make india-specific/safeguarded variants for domestic use.chetak wrote:why exactly would an Indian soldier use third grade equipment and die for others just because some congi/commie politico punk said so. The departed soldier's families are devastated and abandoned, and forgotten while the comfortable wokes yawn, change the channel and order pizzas from an ameriki fast food company operating out of India
The very first brahmos that we "export" will be in cheeni hands, that very same evening, with some soldout ahole in the philliphines or wherever "profusely apologizing" for "security lapses"
Besides, these missiles have a considerable classified russki content and would the russkis allow India to make such "sales"
Ditto for other systems which have some non Indian content. Who do you think would have bought maruts without engines
A missile can be used in battle, usually just one time before a whole host of countries figure out how to counter it and render it ineffective.
we need to sanitize the technology so that it becomes an "export" version like we receive most of our foreign sold systems. No one sell us their top of the line weapon systems, they always sell a degraded or less capable system.Karan M wrote:Unfortunately, India doesnt have the budget (yet) to sustain a large defence industry. The only way out is to export and then make india-specific/safeguarded variants for domestic use.chetak wrote:why exactly would an Indian soldier use third grade equipment and die for others just because some congi/commie politico punk said so. The departed soldier's families are devastated and abandoned, and forgotten while the comfortable wokes yawn, change the channel and order pizzas from an ameriki fast food company operating out of India
The very first brahmos that we "export" will be in cheeni hands, that very same evening, with some soldout ahole in the philliphines or wherever "profusely apologizing" for "security lapses"
Besides, these missiles have a considerable classified russki content and would the russkis allow India to make such "sales"
Ditto for other systems which have some non Indian content. Who do you think would have bought maruts without engines
A missile can be used in battle, usually just one time before a whole host of countries figure out how to counter it and render it ineffective.
This is how the entire world behaves. The Russians, Chinese, Americans, French, Swedes all export.
Until and unless India exports, it will not make enough to constantly iterate and improve its items either. The flow of money keeps the ecosystem up and running and ready to improve and make new variants.
Best we decide the tricky "local secrecy for domestic use" part and that will automatically allow us to export away.
I am not saying this sarcastically, but if we could, would we not have already done so.Vayutuvan wrote:We can develop our own IP. (We meaning Indian private sector plus Indian defense labs)
I think there is a qualitative difference in what we can do now vs. what we could do till 2005-2010. Both sectors should stop worshipping foreign research folks and beleive in themselves. Private sector needs stand up and be counted. The unfortunate reality is that Pvt. sector wouldn't mind throwing a few 100 million into some app development but loath to invest the same in physical plants. The risks in app development are as high, if not more, than mfg. For the latter, we need more hands-on engineering talent and operational management. IIT and NIT folks are more inclined to go to IIMs than wear a hard hat and trudge through the dirt and muck of rural India.chetak wrote:I am not saying this sarcastically, but if we could, would we not have already done so.Vayutuvan wrote:We can develop our own IP. (We meaning Indian private sector plus Indian defense labs)
Not sure if this is written in sarcasm. But Why are we not hegemonistic? Everyone else is. If Pakis had the power we hold today, what portions of India would have still remained with us - MP, AP, TN, Kerala, Karnataka. And the rest - with Pukis.chetak wrote: we are not an expansionist power nor are we hegemonistic.
we are content to remain in our own bubble, doing our thing
No need or even call for us to take any fight to the enemy.
Can we bury our heads in the sand and say if we don't take the fight to the enemy, he will also play nice. Please go over history - maybe talk to Alexander or Ghazni or the East India Company.Since the days of bush, we have refused demands to send our troops to fight ameriki wars overseas. Ditto with afghanistan. we don't have a dog in such fights.
Why should we do anything other than grow our economy, look after our people and safeguard our borders.
Learn about strategy and light fires that help only India. Who wants to fight others' fights. Make your strategy, execute it and commit others to helping you! Read my post again. If you sit and keep erecting walls, then remember the Maginot line and how long it held against Hitler... India is only fit for providing cannon fodder. They want us fighting their wars.
Sarcasm? Or you really believe that?The time for India becoming a great power is not now and it will not be for so many years to come.
After sucking on roosi tits for 5 decades, suddenly we've started disliking t---?eh! For public consumption America is a bad word while posters in this forum spend hundreds of pages re-litigating US elections instead of how India can get advantage of the current situation.Indian blood and treasure is better spent in a myriad of ways at home, rather than sucking from the tits of the ameriki war machine.
Right - order more Rafales so that we would have no money left for anything else nor jobs so that India's future can grovel in poverty for eons. Spend the remaining money on upgrading the piece of sh$t T-90.Let us first consolidate at home before we foolishly venture out and get sucked into the quicksands and quagmire of global conflicts because "लोग क्या कहेंगे, दुनिया वाले क्या कहेंगे"
Modi has shown two fingers to the cheeni, banned their apps, their telecom industry and other cheeni army investments under the garb of FDI, faced them down alone, both at doklam and ladakh.
who else in the world has taken on the cheeni like India/Modi has.
China probably has detailed drawings of the latest version of the Brahmos. If we're successful in hiding something, they will get it from the Russians. So why the hesitation. EVery one is making a buck selling weapons. Look at US and Israel. US is Israel's biggest supporter yet sells advanced weaponry to Saudis, and others.The very first brahmos that we "export" will be in cheeni hands, that very same evening, with some soldout ahole in the philliphines or wherever "profusely apologizing" for "security lapses"
The classical question - ask an Indian that and watch him wrestle with it for decades - while Chinese fly 100s of reverse engineered Sukhois (the holy grail of Roosi tech) while Indians pooh pooh that saying - wtf, it is Chinese, won't even fly. Say that when these copies come knocking at our borders. How many copied Mig-21s have the Chinese sold? Today they are partners of the Roosis - while India buys a seat at their table! Take your pick boss!Besides, these missiles have a considerable classified russki content and would the russkis allow India to make such "sales"
Sure - if you don't try, you will never know. Ignore if your post was written in sarcasm.Ditto for other systems which have some non Indian content. Who do you think would have bought maruts without engines
Your response shows how tough it is for an Indian to think he can beat the world.venkat_kv wrote:
Vivek K Saar,
What you have pointed out with HF-24/Marut shows the limitations of what you are trying to propose, isn't it? My info on HF-24 is based on what was debated on the forum. It was still under powered with the orpheus engines I believe. With the Adour engines, the air force had lost interest by then and with the russians coming through the wars we had more or less become dependent on russian wares with the mig 21 coming in as the latest fighter.
You seem a little confused. Where did you come across that India needs to be "rent boys for anybody in my post?And I am not sure by what you mean by strategic partner. khan and the bear are hardly any definition of reliability if their behavior with respect to chinese India, pak India, or the syrian issues are to be seen. We obviously don't want to be seen as rent boys for these powers or fight their battles. We are following everything that we have signed in our dealis, although i can't say the same for the Khan, Bear and Cheen.
What consequences?chetak wrote:
if you arm the Philippines or Vietnam or Taiwan or whoever, be a hundred percent sure that you are able to handle the fallout and consequences.