Some of the components in the F4 variant came from the F3R(I) variant that the IAF operates.
The money India spent on the ISE for the Rafale was used to fund the development of the F4 variant
Some of the components in the F4 variant came from the F3R(I) variant that the IAF operates.
The pace of orders has been so disappointing. It makes no difference which govt is in power, none can seem to order. Parrikar was the only breath of fresh air in many decades.Karan M wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024 20:07There is no appetite in GOI to spend more on defence. They are even going after DRDO to try and move it's core capabilities to the pvt sector whom they think will spend on R&D on their own for assured orders abd hence the R&D budget can be directed towards the usual political stuff. Sadly, even this Govt will not wake up until and unless there is conflict at its doorstep. ABV in 1999 was quite similar in his own way.srai wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024 04:12 ^^^
IMO, repeat of MMRCA 1.0 GoI will get a sticker price shock. Looking at upwards of $30 billion plus for triple digits Rafales. To put in context, 36 Rafales costs $8 billion and that was without ToT/license assembly.
First order of the day will likely go for 97 follow-on Tejas Mk1A. That itself will be around $8 billion deal.
Tejas Mk2 MWF and AMCA are still on the drawing boards so to speak. GoI doesn’t have to spend large amounts on those just yet. Maybe only after the next election cycle in 5-years at the earliest.
So there is a room for “some” type of deal for Rafales for the IN and IAF, but doubtful if it exceeds beyond $10 billion. Quantities will be limited.
The India specific enhancements doesn't mean that the planes come ready integrated with Indian weapons. It means that the French will offer us access to APIs so that we can integrate our own weapons if required. All the testing for the same would have to be carried out and in some cases we would still need help from the OEM to integrate some specific weapons system and we would have to pay for the same. If we run into trouble while integrating some weapons system (e.g. like the flutter issue with the Python-V on the Tejas), we would still need help from the OEM and would have to pay them for the same.
When Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria (retd) recently joined the BJP, many were elated as he is a strong proponent of Atmanirbhar Bharat. The Indian defence community on Twitter was jumping up with joy. This same community - I am afraid - will be disappointed when the dice is finally rolled by Bhadauria Sir. IMVHO, Sir is being brought on board to handle the messaging.Khalsa wrote: ↑04 Apr 2024 14:47 One can only hope that the 24 Election brings the MMRCA Drama to an end. We will see finalization and execution of the Naval Rafales. Plus the final Air Force order.
Until the above does not happen, I am sorry to see but our IAF will continue to choke and strangle the desi babies till the phoren baby deal is signed in ink and blood.
Exactly. We have heard all kinds of highly optimistic timelines in the past. And then we came to know that the funding wasn't even being released in full till the engine negotiations had been completed. So on what basis were these rollout and first flight dates being given out? I don't know.
Lazy ass article, filled with wrong info. Regurgitates stuff that everyone knows, but mixes up facts and data all over.ashishvikas wrote: ↑30 May 2024 08:57 The Tejas Mark 2: Incremental development
https://www.ajaishukla.com/2024/05/part ... l.html?m=1
Mk1A payload isn't 5300 but it's 3500
Wrong.
================================VinodTK wrote: ↑30 May 2024 22:45 Part 3: The Tejas Mark 2: Incremental development
(Part III of a four-part series on the Tejas)
I don't think production will start before 2030...VinodTK wrote: ↑30 May 2024 22:52================================VinodTK wrote: ↑30 May 2024 22:45 Part 3: The Tejas Mark 2: Incremental development
(Part III of a four-part series on the Tejas)
Timeline: Tejas Mark 2 development
Preliminary Design Review : December 2023
First Mark 2 prototype build : June 2026
Flight testing (two years) : June 2028
Delivery begins of production aircraft : June 2029
Building of Tejas Mark 2 fleet (5 years) : 2035-36
That's not quite true - there is more to an aircraft than just payload. Tejas Mk2 will have a lot of tech that is being developed for AMCA, so it's systems and corresponding capability will be quite a bit higher than a Mirage 2000 or F-16 Block 52. It will be a lot more comparable to Rafale in sophistication.
Completely mistaken. Please do a bit more research about what Tejas Mk2 is to have. As far as 5th gen goes, the Mk2 with an adequate sensor network should be able to hold it's own.
Please listen again from this pointKartik wrote: ↑30 May 2024 15:56Wrong.
Tejas Mk1 payload - 3,500 kg
Tejas Mk1A payload - 4,000 kg
Source- HAL CMD Ananthkrishnan during his interview with Mr Gokhale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk3xiSjTQtk&t=1625s