US Election Watch Thread 2024

[vijayk]

In most of the states in Bharat, very few non-citizens vote. ID is checked, and the list will have photos and even mobile numbers. The local admin prepares lists. With EVMs, most of the issues were resolved. The election administration is almost entirely independent. In each of those counts, there are issues in the US. There are still a lot of problems with election integrity in Bharat, but those can be resolved. Very little to no opposition is there for election integrity in Bharat.

But in US. No one is willing to look at election integrity.

But in case of the US, the movement you start a discussion on election integrity.

In India, Pappu and his followers want to eliminate EVMs to do massive rigging

[bala]

Every pathetic fellow has the same logic. We don't check ID because it intimidates voters. We don't prosecute crime because it hurts minorities. We defund police because they are racially prejudiced. Same garbage logic.

How are they going to check voter ID of first time voters if they are voting by mail? come to your home and check

The kind illogical nonsense folks spew on this election integrity maintenance shows how IQ averages have dipped in the US

The above are Key points which makes the US a banana republic in terms of integrity of voting in elections. The amount of voting fraud by mail is astronomical. They will fail an independent election audit. Lawyers and judges and anyone connected to the Judiciary are all liars par excellence, they would bump of their own parents to make a point or win a court case. Such morally decrepit blokes infest US judiciary system and political setup.

This BS of voter suppression in todays age is hilarious. What Blacks/minorities don't have a car to drive to the voting booth. There are many African American blacks in republican party who routinely scoff at the notion of voter suppression by the Dumbocrats. This topic is mainly to avoid Voter ID checks. All blue states voter rolls are compromised with illegal immigrants voting the Dumbocrats. BTW not all illegal immigrants are bought into Dumbocrats, they have an independent mind and many of them like Trump. The Gehra rajya votes on behalf of them in the US by fraudulent means.

Establishing a minimum voter ID standard is a basic check for voting. It does not need a genius. Every computer program checks for authentication/authorization before proceeding. But the Dumbocrats don't want it. The Gehra Rajya does not want it. In what skewed logically world is the US living in terms of elections? 20+ illegal immigrants can skew any result. Now you know why the Dumbocrats and Gehra Rajya want illegal immigrants.

The Average IQ in the US is going down day by day another trick employed by the Gehra Rajya to dumb down things everywhere, such that their ruthless, cunning, conniving methods go undetected, unchallenged.

[KL Dubey]

How are they going to check voter ID of first time voters if they are voting by mail? come to your home and check

A first-time voter requesting a mail-in ballot will need to fill in their ID details while registering. If not, they must send in a photocopy of an ID document prior to the election date.

Additionally, the signature on the mail-in ballot is compared to the signature on the voter registration record and/or the ID document provided. If they don't match, the mail-in ballot is not opened.

Clearly, you have absolutely no idea how the system works. On top of that you are unwilling to answer basic questions, let alone dig into the details (which of course are too hard/complex for simple-minded individuals). Makes it easy to laugh everything off and remain in a make-believe world.

[KL Dubey]

The above are Key points which makes the US a banana republic in terms of integrity of voting in elections. The amount of voting fraud by mail is astronomical. They will fail an independent election audit. Lawyers and judges and anyone connected to the Judiciary are all liars par excellence, they would bump of their own parents to make a point or win a court case. Such morally decrepit blokes infest US judiciary system and political setup.

This BS of voter suppression in todays age is hilarious. What Blacks/minorities don't have a car to drive to the voting booth. There are many African American blacks in republican party who routinely scoff at the notion of voter suppression by the Dumbocrats. This topic is mainly to avoid Voter ID checks. All blue states voter rolls are compromised with illegal immigrants voting the Dumbocrats. BTW not all illegal immigrants are bought into Dumbocrats, they have an independent mind and many of them like Trump. The Gehra rajya votes on behalf of them in the US by fraudulent means.

Establishing a minimum voter ID standard is a basic check for voting. It does not need a genius. Every computer program checks for authentication/authorization before proceeding. But the Dumbocrats don't want it. The Gehra Rajya does not want it. In what skewed logically world is the US living in terms of elections? 20+ illegal immigrants can skew any result. Now you know why the Dumbocrats and Gehra Rajya want illegal immigrants.

The Average IQ in the US is going down day by day another trick employed by the Gehra Rajya to dumb down things everywhere, such that their ruthless, cunning, conniving methods go undetected, unchallenged.

I do think you need a psychological evaluation. Do it before it gets too late. From unhinged posts on BRF to serial/compulsive long comments on online newspaper articles - things are getting out of control. It is a shame that someone on an internet forum has to tell you this.

[KL Dubey]

In most of the states in Bharat, very few non-citizens vote. ID is checked, and the list will have photos and even mobile numbers. The local admin prepares lists. With EVMs, most of the issues were resolved. The election administration is almost entirely independent. In each of those counts, there are issues in the US. There are still a lot of problems with election integrity in Bharat, but those can be resolved. Very little to no opposition is there for election integrity in Bharat.

But in US. No one is willing to look at election integrity.

But in case of the US, the movement you start a discussion on election integrity.

You're mistaken. There are a lot of people looking into election integrity in the US, both the voting process itself and the ability of voters to exercise their franchise.

At this point 36 states have ID requirements for voting at the booth. Others require ID for first time voter registrations. Voter registrations themselves require ID details. Mail-in ballot requests are also based on ID details (at least the first time), and the acceptance of the mailed-in ballot at the voting precinct requires signature verification (ballot versus the registration record).

There is no doubt Bharat has made significant strides in the "integrity of the voting process". But "integrity of the election" is much beyond that and there are flaws in both US and Indian elections. In India for example, widespread use of money and intimidation compromises integrity of the election, even if the "best ID checks and EVMs" are deployed. The problem of entrenched illegals voting - equipped with voter IDs and all other requirements - is also very much there.

In the US, the #1 issue is voter suppression, i.e. systematic policies/tactics to prevent/discourage disadvantaged voters from showing up. There is constant (and often successful) litigation on this issue and a lot of scholarly work as well - look it up and understand it is not just idle gossip.

The real issues are inherent your own post. Instead of taking a shallow skim, better to take a deeper dive and realize what is worth arguing about and what isn't. There are very few people who would claim that US elections are flawless.

Some of the posters have trivialized/undermined/denigrated almost every aspect of the "US" threads on BRF - their posts read pretty much like abusive Trump campaign propaganda - leading to the inability to have any kind of reasoned or insightful discussion. The moderators have basically abjured their responsibilities here from what I can see.

All this will come back to bite the forum in the long run.

[bala]

I do think you need a psychological evaluation. Do it before it gets too late. From unhinged posts on BRF to serial/compulsive long comments on online newspaper articles - things are getting out of control. It is a shame that someone on an internet forum has to tell you this.

Hello you don't need to get personal and abuse other members on this forum. Stick to you lane buddy. I was commenting on VijayK, why do you need to get in the middle. We know your biased opinions. There are other opinions, just learn to live with it. PS don't respond to anything I write.

[KL Dubey]

^^I am not abusing you. I am politely providing some (admittedly gratuitous) advice. I do indeed mind my own business, but compassion drove me to give you some advice. We all have opinions and I have no issues with that.

[saip]

Bala: "The most devious racist pigs are to be found in Dumbos." Is this comment OK because you made it? The only metric I go by is the no of indictments, convictions and jail terms. 123, 90 and 35. Democrats have the honor of garnering only 3,1,1. As I said before ALL (starting with Hoover) FBI directors were appointed by Republicans. And they did not find evidence to prosecute Democrats in the administration. AFAIK only ONE director was fired by a Republican. Before the breapers get into play stop name calling. NO DUMBOCRATS. If you can not call them Democrats, then do not POST.

[disha]

One could argue that US deliberately targets blacks so that they get disenfranchised.

There is a great deal of evidence and examples on various types of disenfranchisement (including voter suppression, which is by far the largest such practice). I have posted several easily accessible studies/summaries.

The underlying literature on this is voluminous.

Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... BUSA&btnG=

KL Dubey'ji and Tana'ji, it is not a matter of black, white, yellow, brown, <choose your color>. Just because you do *not* have data on black on yellow, yellow on white, black on brown, brown on black and brown on yellow - does NOT mean it does not occur. We have not talked about religion.

And we have not talked about illegal immigration and illegal voters.

However *racism* ended in US when a black president was elected. Just like casteism ended in India the day a multi-generational temple was inaugurated by a member of otherwise backward class whose mother was washing dishes in other's home to make ends meet.


So please move beyond and focus on what can be unburdened by what has been.

Point is, this is election watch thread 2024 and Indians have tremendous responsibility to watch the US elections.

US elections are shambolic at best. This elections being epochal will be mired by lies, assassinations, lawfare and everything in between. Like illegal voter registration and disenfranchising legal voters.

So let's document for posterity how shambolic US elections of 2024 has been.

[KL Dubey]

However *racism* ended in US when a black president was elected. Just like casteism ended in India the day a multi-generational temple was inaugurated by a member of otherwise backward class whose mother was washing dishes in other's home to make ends meet.

Is this a serious comment, or sarcasm ?

[disha]

At this point 36 states have ID requirements for voting at the booth. Others require ID for first time voter registrations. Voter registrations themselves require ID details. Mail-in ballot requests are also based on ID details (at least the first time), and the acceptance of the mailed-in ballot at the voting precinct requires signature verification (ballot versus the registration record).

15 states do not have ID requirements for voting at booth. All states do *not* require proof of citizenship at booth. The voter list is created based on what the DMV states. Check out the 1983 Motor Vote act for that.

In India for example, widespread use of money and intimidation compromises integrity of the election, even if the "best ID checks and EVMs" are deployed. The problem of entrenched illegals voting - equipped with voter IDs and all other requirements - is also very much there.

If you are going to bring in Indian elections, you have to quantify it. A loose subjective word thrown in is just useless and is seen as biased and ignorant.

Let me explain: Illegals are somehow able to vote vote in India. That's true. It disenfranchises legal voters. Now the state which supplies the most illegals was carved out from India only few decades back and the geographical border is extremely difficult to fence. So there you go, a recent common inheritance and difficult geography are quantitative factors. Third is the diversity of India, it is highly diverse. Second most diverse after Africa and as geographically vast. And the population, that is the fourth dimension and now you include the fifth quantitative dimension of resources. And the sixth dimension of economic status.

To say that the "Indian elections *also* suffers from similar lacunae's like US election is as I said looks like ignorant, biased and loosely thrown subjective statement.

A more diverse very young democracy, less resourced and hampered with several challenges is conducting elections far better. In fact it is superlative compared to the oldest democracy, which is shambolic. There is *no* comparison.

So please withdraw the statement or bring per capita vote suppression (that is illegals able to vote and legals unable to vote) across the six dimensions defined above and normalize it to the US. Then you are comparing apples to apples.

For example, for every 100 US voters, 2 illegals are also able to vote while in India it is 0.5. Then the magnitude of problem is quantified. That it is 4x worse in US elections than in Indian elections. Please do such exercise and then come back for comparison.

Some of the posters have trivialized/undermined/denigrated almost every aspect of the "US" threads on BRF - their posts read pretty much like abusive Trump campaign propaganda - leading to the inability to have any kind of reasoned or insightful discussion. The moderators have basically abjured their responsibilities here from what I can see.

All this will come back to bite the forum in the long run.

KL Dubey'ji, the above does sound like a wagging finger of "I told you so", turning blind to what others are saying, even angrily or in frustration, while you go into a corner and masticate on what a reasoned or insightful conversation should be. Is this what trump derangement syndrome looks like?

That guy had two assassination attempts and several unnecessary lawfare! 50% of the US electorate believe him. So what exactly you are not seeing what others may be seeing? Please think on that.

As I said earlier, I feel for you and all the racism you felt in a different country and culture. I understand and empathize as well. I do wish that your experience was better. And my experience was definitely worst than yours. Still, I urge you to unburden yourself from the past and look at what can be rather than what has been.

[disha]

Is this a serious comment, or sarcasm ?

Serious comment. Institutionalized racism ended the day a black president was elected. Period.

Do not confuse institutionalized racism with personal stereotypes. The moment you start stereotyping anyone, you are on the path to racism.

I would in fact argue that institutionalized racism against whites (and white adjacents like browns and yellows) has started. And that is because, people are not able to let go of their stereotypes and have started on the path of reverse racism without recognizing institutionalized racism has ended.

[bala]

Bala: "The most devious racist pigs are to be found in Dumbos." Is this comment OK because you made it?

Absolutely. Ku Klux Klan, period. The Dumbs (I will continue to call them that term, explained later) were the original Ku Klux Klan. Hillary Clinton was a flag member and supported a key KKK member. This is by definition racist and also pig like behaviour, oh my white skin qualified to my superiority like a pig in shitpool.

NO DUMBOCRATS. If you can not call them Democrats, then do not POST.

I will continue to use this term. Pray tell why did they acquiese to Ukr-Rus war, I thought they were no-war party. See how they protest Israel-Gaza war. All the left wing of the party protests in schools, colleges, streets, white house, senate, congress etc. But they (the ruling Dems) have no say in US foreign policy because the Gehra Rajya dictates the terms and hence the epithet of Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest. If they don't act according to thier election manifesto they are Dumb.

I reserve the right to my opinion.

[disha]

(There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in California . In fact, the state's attorney general and secretary of state sued some local entities for arbitrary voter ID requirement, citing lack of evidence for voter fraud)
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California's law aims to prevent local governments from creating their own voter ID rules, which could lead to inconsistent and potentially discriminatory practices.

Amber et al, if the rape is not reported, rape has *not* happened must not be the criteria of judgement.

Here is the latest from LA, where voter enfranchisement is getting raped, by CA state:

https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pil ... ter-id-law

California has sued Huntington Beach, alleging that the city’s new law requiring voters to show photo identification is a violation of state law.

So anyone can vote on anyone's else behalf. Remember, in CA, a male can claim to be a female and go to female restrooms, women sports and even housed in women jail cells.

And of course, CA Gov. Newsom changed the law itself. By a stroke of pen without taking genuine voter concerns into account.

Election supervisor of all states can get together and hash out a consistent framework, just like the EC of India. California is rich enough that it can set the standard.

The state uses signature verification checks to confirm voter legitimacy, and additional safeguards are in place.

Who is checking the signature? What is the error rate on signature check? Please bring that information out as well.

[disha]

Voter suppression of almost quarter million in Arizona:

https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/i ... ble-voters

As of Monday, the Secretary of State's office had estimated that 218,000 registered voters may be missing citizenship documentation. In a Tuesday interview with ABC15, Fontes expressed more uncertainty on how many registrations could have integrity issues.

"What we know is we don’t know for sure," Fontes said. "The problem that we have is that we don’t know that we can depend on the data right now."

The Arizona Supreme Court ruled voters affected by the coding error will be allowed to vote a full ballot in November.

ECI can help them out.

[disha]

Lawfare on NYC Mayor

https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/the-t ... 20850.html

In a defiant statement, Adams, a vocal critic of the Biden-Harris administration’s immigration policy that has become a hot button political issue for November’s presidential elections, indicated that he has been targeted unfairly for criticising the White House’s ineffectiveness in helping NYC deal with a massive influx of migrants.

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Biden himself got a taste of it when he was bullied and ambushed into withdrawing his presidential bid for a second time. Useful to remember that Biden administration, that has brutally purged a popular Democratic leader for daring to stand against it, has been regularly taking potshots at India over its internal affairs. For instance, the arrest of former Delhi chief minister Arvind Kejriwal came in for multiple mentions by the US Department of State.

I think well meaning Indian american citizens should let DNC, the Kamala Campaign and the NY election supervisor and let them know that such lawfare is suppressing democracy. Brutally suppressing democracy.

[disha]

NO DUMBOCRATS. If you can not call them Democrats, then do not POST.

Well, Kamala Harris campaign brought in Liz Cheney! And that too for campaign on Harris behalf!

So a progressive democrat Kamala Harris brought in a extreme war monger who supports regime change. And of course a person who aided her father to invade Iraq. As Campaigner.

Nice principals.

[Leonard]

Mailing Ballots is Complete Prone to Fraud

Two Personnel Instances as seen below by me -- I live in a DEEP-BLUE state where "windows" is made -& where if you vote -- the WOKE population in Biggest city in Pacific NW which is 3 Million and rest of the state is 1 million .... your vote does not matter at all ..

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A first-time voter requesting a mail-in ballot will need to fill in their ID details while registering. If not, they must send in a photocopy of an ID document prior to the election date.

Additionally, the signature on the mail-in ballot is compared to the signature on the voter registration record and/or the ID document provided. If they don't match, the mail-in ballot is not opened.
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Here's what happened to me

1. In Early 2014 - Someone called me from Detective/homicide PD at Work -- checking my Location and home address - they had arrested someone who had obtained my DL, home address and got a DL created with their Photo-id on it -- He was arrested carrying a Fire-arm and I was asked to testify by phone --

Someone like this Can EASILY send a mail-in-ballot like this -- This is ROUTINE process from 1960's where under-age Kids get ACCESS to on-campus BARS/saloons

2. During COVID -- 2019-2020 -- when people were getting LAID off -- someone accessed my personal INFO and was Collecting Un-employment Benefits - Till the Corporate office got wind of it and put a stop to it

Mail-in Ballots are complete RUBBISH and should be stopped period !!

[sanman]

Picking random name out of phone book, or picking name out of a hat, would produce better presidential candidates than current selection process.

When Kamala's teleprompter fails, she reveals herself to be a mental cripple





What was once parody is now close to reality

[KL Dubey]

Is this a serious comment, or sarcasm ?

Serious comment. Institutionalized racism ended the day a black president was elected. Period.

Do not confuse institutionalized racism with personal stereotypes. The moment you start stereotyping anyone, you are on the path to racism.

I would in fact argue that institutionalized racism against whites (and white adjacents like browns and yellows) has started. And that is because, people are not able to let go of their stereotypes and have started on the path of reverse racism without recognizing institutionalized racism has ended.

I don't know how you come up with these hasty theories. Institutionalized racism against blacks and others is very much a major problem - but definitely it is getting better due to various factors and initiatives. A black president is a good symbol of that improvement, but it is nowhere close to percolating fully into the US polity, economy, and society.

In 2008, Obama was elected by 29 states (incl DC), the other 22 rejected him. In 2012 it was 27/24. Especially in the states that he did not win, institutional racism exists at all levels.

This is like saying that institutional sexism in states has ended once a female governor is elected. Alabama has a female governor - but is one of the worst states for systemic sexism.

[KL Dubey]

Here's what happened to me

1. In Early 2014 - Someone called me from Detective/homicide PD at Work -- checking my Location and home address - they had arrested someone who had obtained my DL, home address and got a DL created with their Photo-id on it -- He was arrested carrying a Fire-arm and I was asked to testify by phone --

2. During COVID -- 2019-2020 -- when people were getting LAID off -- someone accessed my personal INFO and was Collecting Un-employment Benefits - Till the Corporate office got wind of it and put a stop to it

That's identity theft. But it is very hard to use ID theft for voter fraud. Whoever did that to you was a motivated criminal, not someone who just "came across" your ID.

It would be eminently stupid (and laborious) of a party to send a horde of criminals to collect IDs of enough people to make a difference. Of course, these schemes are not viable since the real voters will also be going to vote, and such frauds will be revealed quickly. Many election audits have been done. The statistics - at the end of the day - are small and do not impact federal elections. Certainly there are some cases.

I'm not "defending" the USA voting system nor do I believe at all that it is "flawless".

However, I (and others) have provided a lot of evidence that voter fraud is miniscule compared to much larger issues such as voter suppression. That too is a well-known fact.

Coming to mail ballots: it would be extraordinary if there was an organized effort in presidential elections to obtain (in each state) at least 10,000 people's ID information, send in fake ballots, and hope that voter will not turn up at the booth/send in a legit ballot that exposes the fraud. These things have not happened in the 2020 election. No sensible election official (in many cases, republicans) nor judges will bother to waste their time on such claims.

[KL Dubey]

So anyone can vote on anyone's else behalf.

Who is checking the signature? What is the error rate on signature check? Please bring that information out as well.

The answers to these mail ballot issues *were* brought out in previous posts, but if people don't read them carefully and still regurgitate the same misleading/discredited theories, then there is not much use of discussion.

First of all, this is the "sloppy science" origin of the voter fraud conspiracies that MAGA/Trump republicans have embraced since 2016:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/1 ... e-polling/

Next, here is a previous post explaining in detail what happened in GA:

viewtopic.php?p=2627300&hilit=GA+trump#p2627300

[disha]

KL Dubey'ji., next time please pause before you post. You are gaslighting posters who are bringing in genuine cases.

And before you trot out "sloppy science" crap, please pause and read and think. I believe you are passionately invested in discussion, but please do not get passionately invested in your own opinion.

Also reminding that this is US election watch thread. All information however small or remote needs and will be collected.

[Vayutuvan]

So I guess the judiciary is also completely corrupt now!

Exactly the case being made against 6 SCOTUS justices by ....drumroll... who else but "oh so fair playing", "we go high when they go low" democrats.

[Vayutuvan]

In most of the states in Bharat, very few non-citizens vote. ID is checked, and the list will have photos and even mobile numbers.

Also there are party representatives present. They can raise an objection for each voter by paying a fixed deposit amount per objection. If their challenge succeeds, the voter is sent away (maybe will get a warning of some sort). If the voter proves his identity, the challeger loses their deposit. The money goes into the govt. exchequer.

[Vayutuvan]

Bala: "The most devious racist pigs are to be found in Dumbos." Is this comment OK because you made it? The only metric I go by is the no of NO DUMBOCRATS. If you can not call them Democrats, then do not POST.

I personally Dimwitocrats.

[Vayutuvan]

Is this a serious comment, or sarcasm ?

It is obvious, to me atleast. If there is no emoji, some posters don't get the intent it seems.

[Vayutuvan]

... of reverse racism without recognizing institutionalized racism has ended.

Some people even feel that reverse racism is not racism, especially DEITYs (Deracinated Elite Indians Turned Yanki). Their parents in India were in high office or had huge parcels of land and property. In some sense they were privileged. Case in point is Shyamala Gopalan, She went to a elite college in Delhi. She got admission without assistance at Berkeley. Her father, a govt. servant (some kind of secretary in Delhi) was able to send her to Berkeley with his money. K. Harris is bu no means a middle class neither her mother "(monetarily speaking) single-handedly" brought up two "confident black women". I am sure their father did pay alimony for the children as their mother did not remarry. Also, they were living in an upscale neighborhood in Montreal. Her mother was working as professor at the miost prestigious university in Canada - McGill. Professors may not pull in as much in salaries as their private industry counterparts do, they have excellent benefits, good benefits, and move within educated circles. None of this is true for the real middle-class folks in the US or Canada.

Democrats are grifters - redistribute wealth while fattening their own portfolios and real assets. At least republicans are straight forward. They believe in the greenback which has printed on it "In god we trust".

[KL Dubey]

KL Dubey'ji., next time please pause before you post. You are gaslighting posters who are bringing in genuine cases.

And before you trot out "sloppy science" crap, please pause and read and think. I believe you are passionately invested in discussion, but please do not get passionately invested in your own opinion.

Also reminding that this is US election watch thread. All information however small or remote needs and will be collected.

These empty claims are getting really old. Nobody is gaslighting you.

Do not put words in my mouth or assume you know my mind. I am dispassionately interested in discussion. My focus is on understanding, not ignoring inconvenient facts. Such understanding allows me to form an informed opinion. Everyone has to form an opinion eventually, whether it is the voter, a judge, etc. The question really is if the opinion is an objective and informed one or not.

Given the resources at my disposal, I have provided many summaries of accessible literature to help understand. I never said a fake vote is impossible. Based on a lot of evidence available, much of which I have posted or referenced, the simple conclusion is that in USA federal elections, voter fraud is miniscule, but voter suppression is a larger issue.

There may be a lot of problems with mail-in, voter ID checks, etc - and may need reform. Well and good. Whatever the problems may be, it still is a evidential fact that voter fraud is very small in federal elections, i.e. they have still produced a bonafide result. I'm not making this up, and neither am I "happy" or "sad" about this finding.

However, page after page of posts drone on about massive voter fraud, but provide no evidence of this. Nobody takes these claims seriously, as I said way back in the 2020 election thread in which these same posters were expecting magically that the result would change after recounts, checks, etc.

Trump's own campaign staff thought these allegations were BS. His own VP thought it was BS. The republican government in GA also thought it was BS. The judges in every lawsuit brought by Trump et al thought it was BS. Election officials in every state thought it was BS. On the other hand, recent voter suppression laws have been struck down in several states by the judiciary. In fact, the only such case still standing is from 2020 is against Trump himself - his classic attempt at both voter suppression and voter fraud (asking the GA govt to somehow cover up those 12000 legit votes by "finding" non-existent votes). Given the racial history of the USA, it is no surprise that voter suppression is rampant.

These are all hard facts. I am not making them up.

Regarding "sloppy science", I formed that opinion after reading carefully the MIT reference I linked above, plus crosschecking the original paper by Prof. J Richman. The MIT reference does not call Richman - or anyone else - names, rather it critiques Richman's claims and finds them to be greatly overstated, and hence highly politicized by a faction of one political party.

The question is: Have you read these documents before reacting angrily? And if you have read them, what issues do you have ? Can you refute their points with data, analysis, or other evidence?

My conclusions are reasoned, but instead attract all manner of boorish, unsubstantiated, or absolutely unhinged/psycho replies. Some (even after being blocked) make it a point to paste in my posts when logged out and then reply to them. Overall, I get a very poor impression of such posters.

[Vayutuvan]

Nice principals.

Dubya who is supposed to be a war criminal has been reinstated as a good person now he and Cheney both turned against Trump. Oh and that fumble harmer, Carter, has turned 100. He was the one who went and sent election observers all over the planet and certified whether elections were fair or foul. His wife had the temerity to lecture India. Both Peace Corp volunteers just like Tim Kaine.

[Vayutuvan]

My conclusions are reasoned, but instead attract all manner of boorish,

New word we will hear from all the ElLeLi networks I am sure, just like "wierd".

[chanakyaa]

For the 2024 elections seven battleground states have been identified. These are states where, in 2020, either these states switched from one party to another or the winning margin was narrow.

Pennsylvania (19 seats, No ID required)
Georgia (16 seats, Photo ID required)
North Carolina (16 seats, Photo ID required)
Michigan (15 seats, Photo ID required)
Arizona (11 seats, Non-Photo ID required)
Wisconsin (10 seats, Photo ID required)
Nevada (6 seats, No ID required)

Ten states, the Virgin Islands and Washington, D.C., verify that an absentee/mail ballot envelope has been signed but do not conduct signature verification:

Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Maryland, Nebraska, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia and Wyoming.

[uddu]

One of the songs that went Viral. Its reach is global.

Pet lovers could see Trump favourably
https://online.ucpress.edu/collabra/art ... servatives

[uddu]

Democratic party leaders are brought in through dubious means and are working for those hiring them.

[disha]

In 2008, Obama was elected by 29 states (incl DC), the other 22 rejected him. In 2012 it was 27/24. Especially in the states that he did not win, institutional racism exists at all levels.
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That's the point I am trying to make, you cannot be binary!

Ppl in blue states voted for reds and in red states voted for blue. The electoral slate is not a perfect method and to say that states which did not elect Obama are racist is very untrue. Please do not twist facts to fit in a world view.

Now, if you think the US Elections are pristine, then this thread is definitely not for you.

If you think it is not pristine, then please bring out all the material to this thread.

[disha]

These empty claims are getting really old. Nobody is gaslighting you.

Of course. Just read your own posts. You are gaslighting others. Please refrain. Posters who have gone through semi-identity theft have viable reasons to believe that election voter id fraud occurs. It is even easier to do voter id fraud.

There may be a lot of problems with mail-in, voter ID checks, etc - and may need reform. Well and good. Whatever the problems may be, it still is a evidential fact that voter fraud is very small in federal elections, i.e. they have still produced a bonafide result. I'm not making this up, and neither am I "happy" or "sad" about this finding.

"Maybe". Really? Is that what your point is "maybe a lot of problems with mail-in etc ..." and "may need" reform?

Poster after poster, news after news are pointing out that the trust in the electoral process is minimal. There is no trust left in the system.

And again this is not red vs blue, trump vs harris fight. The point is US Elections is broken and broken horribly. We are documenting it.

However, page after page of posts drone on about massive voter fraud, but provide no evidence of this.

US election process currently is like the prostitute claiming to be a virgin. If you trust it whole-heartedly, please feel free so.

Voter fraud occurs. Candidate suppression and de-platforming is rampant. Hiding of crucial evidences during elections is rampant. Media is *sold out*. Free speech is banned. Elections laws are changed randomly.

Whoever comes, the US elections being a broken process casts doubt on the incoming president.

My conclusions are reasoned, but instead attract all manner of boorish, unsubstantiated, or absolutely unhinged/psycho replies. Some (even after being blocked) make it a point to paste in my posts when logged out and then reply to them. Overall, I get a very poor impression of such posters.

I understand. You are welcome to live in your own world. If you want to delude yourself that "maybe US elections are broken" but "there is *no* evidence to it", you are welcome to your own cognitive dissonance.

[disha]

So I guess the judiciary is also completely corrupt now!

Exactly the case being made against 6 SCOTUS justices by ....drumroll... who else but "oh so fair playing", "we go high when they go low" democrats.

Yes, we need to document that too. Pressure on Judiciary.

So far:

1. [1] Voter LIst manipulation either via exploiting broken processes or putting in broken processes with an end goal

• [2] Changing requirements or relaxing requirements of ID proof

• [3] Lawfare. Embroil the opposing candidate into multiple and frivoulous law suite. Proceed to character assassination

• [4] Lawfare on the own vocal leaders. Bring out spurious corruption charges against vocal party leaders

• [5] Cancel culture and de-platforming. Prominent leaders critical of the incumbent are deplatformed and canceled, particularly when lawfare does not work

• [6] Curtail free speech. All parody videos critical of the incumbent are banned for example

• [7] Interference and control the narrative. Social media platforms and media platforms are brow beaten if they cannot be bought

• [8] Intimidate the judiciary itself!

• [9] Character assassination. For example calling someone a toadie

• [10] If all of the above does not work, ASSASSINATION

The above sounds like emergency to me. And anything I have missed?

[bala]

The way the Dumbocrats gaslighted Tulsi Gabbard when she questioned the Ukr-Rus war, the Gehra Rajya swung into immediate action, they had someone tailing her, her emails were tapped, her contacts were investigated. This is worse than any Banana Republic, it is what maximum leaders do to their opponents (reminds me of Emperor Eleven and the firing of his top minions in PLA and mantri cabal). Robert Kennedy was treated the same way. There is no democracy in the Dumbocrats. Do as I tell you otherwise. The media are like parrots singing the same tune same phrase same convoluted words repeated ad nauseum, TV announcers are looking stern and serious like programmed robots. The lawyers and judiciary and FBI and CIA and assorted other babus (I can't stand that plastic smile on Blinken with his dishevelled look and yellow stinky teeth) filing reams of legal rubbish on the opponent (I think they now have a Gen AI module from Gehra Rajya chelas with bias RAG engines from Google, Mickysoft, AWS, etc with geeks doing their Prompt Engineering BS).

[chanakyaa]

The very first undemocratic beginning of this democratic process of electing POTUS is the selection election of Kamala Harris as at the nominee of the Democratic party.

By orchestrating a late withdrawal of Joe Biden from the race, traditional primary process was completely sidelined to select elect Kamala Harris as the POTUS candidate. It is monumental in its own right – as the first modern presidential election where voters of a major party were not provided an opportunity to nominate their preferred candidate. There were 7 other candidate potentially considering a run. But who cares?

[Zynda]

I was watching Bill Maher's show a couple of weeks back & one of his guests, a CNN or ex-CNN lady made an important point. DJT is hated so much by so many people and they are willing to give an extra long leash to KH/Dems to do whatever it takes to defeat him (albeit legally...at least on face). In fact in the very same show, one of a republican asked the same question as above...bringing in KH as Presidential nominee in the last moment. For 2024 elections, publically she had no intentions of running for POTUS...but the question was sidelined by Bill saying that "Guys, remember our opponent is DJT. Enough said".