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Cyrano wrote: 16 Oct 2024 14:22 I see a bit of panic among EU analcysts while
Cyrano gaaru, it is always hyphenated

anal-cysts :mrgreen:
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Vayutuvan wrote: 17 Oct 2024 05:26
vijayk wrote: 16 Oct 2024 16:35 ... There is another Khalistani lawyer in California who almost reached the level of RNC head.
Harmeet Kaur Dhillon?
yep
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Ballots are filled from the comfort of my home, placed in the mail box with the flag up. I am certain they will reach the county office (by Nov 12, the deadline) and will be counted. Scotch is waiting. Cheers! Salude! Salute to Royal Salute.
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@saip gaaru, what triggered you? Latest polling data, I presume. :rotfl: :mrgreen: :twisted:
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‘Foreign Interference’: UK Socialist Party Reportedly Planned To Send Activists To Campaign For Harris :D
https://ijr.com/foreign-socialist-party ... or-harris/

The United Kingdom’s (U.K.) Labour Party, currently in control of the country’s government and headed by self-admitted socialist Kier Starmer, has already had some interactions with the Harris campaign ahead of the November U.S. elections. Labour Party Head of Operations Sofia Patel announced on Wednesday that roughly 100 current and former party staff planned to fly to the U.S. in the coming weeks to campaign for Harris, according to multiple posts on Patel’s LinkedIn profile that have now been deleted.

The Daily Caller News Foundation reviewed the posts before Patel deleted them on Thursday. It wasn’t clear whether the trip had been canceled.The United Kingdom’s (U.K.) Labour Party, currently in control of the country’s government and headed by self-admitted socialist Kier Starmer, has already had some interactions with the Harris campaign ahead of the November U.S. elections. Labour Party Head of Operations Sofia Patel announced on Wednesday that roughly 100 current and former party staff planned to fly to the U.S. in the coming weeks to campaign for Harris, according to multiple posts on Patel’s LinkedIn profile that have now been deleted.

The Daily Caller News Foundation reviewed the posts before Patel deleted them on Thursday. It wasn’t clear whether the trip had been canceled.

It is technically not illegal for a foreigner to participate as a volunteer in a U.S. campaign,” Spakovsky told the DCNF. :shock:

The Harris campaign did not respond to a request for comment. :mrgreen:

Trump could use this and ask something of the sort of "Are we once again living in an era prior to July 4, 1776 independece where the U.K is deciding , how politics in United States of America should be run?
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From what is being observed is that there is good amount of shift amount democratic voters who are non Black. Also even fence sitters amoung the whites are eager to vote Trump. Hispanic voters are also to a large extent pitching for Trump. Amoung Black voters there is disappointment with K.H leadership and most of them are going to skip votes, especially those who rarely vote. And the ones who never voted or only voted for Obama are going to keep out. There is less enthusiasm for K.H amoung Black voters. The ones who will vote K.H are those who dont have a clue about anything and mostly rely on news and media for their inputs and these numbers are also going down with time. Also due to K.H skipping a Catholic event, there is erosion of votes from there too.
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Vayutuvan wrote: 19 Oct 2024 11:00 @saip gaaru, what triggered you? Latest polling data, I presume. :rotfl: :mrgreen: :twisted:
Trump is doing better than 2020 and Harris is behind where Biden was at the same time mid-October 2020. However, the Dem political machine which includes many door-to-door volunteers, taking bus loads of people to the polls and ballot-box stuffing activities will pull them over the edge. This is where money makes the difference. Harris: 276 and Trump: 262.
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The California voting system is completely broken. Man in southern California finds dozens of ballots in drain. Someone went around into mail boxes and dumped contents into the drain, but this is just those that have been found and is likely more problematic.

Southern California man discovers stack of mail-in ballots in storm drain

My state issues 3 envelopes for mail-in absentee voting. Inner envelope that contains ballot which has no markings indicating person, 2nd envelope is the affidavit with notary seal, stating a notary can not charge for notarizing a ballot, and a 3rd envelope for mailing. Each absentee voting person can go to the state elections web-site, enter their name or driver's license number, to find when their ballot was mailed, received back by county elections office, validated, and counted like tracking a package.
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Major polling organizations, many who are reputable, have slowed down polling for unknown reasons less than 17 days before the election?

Why???? Something odd going on, perhaps they don't want to show momentum towards Trump and affect down ballot races. Internal polling by the parties may point to a Trump victory, but I am convinced the Deep State will not allow a Trump victory at any price.

From Ethel Kennedy's funeral three days ago - Biden & Obama were talking and according to professional lip readers:
Biden: 'She's not as strong as me.'

Obama replied: 'I know...that's true...we have time.'

Obama then said to Biden: 'No that's not on' - to which Biden responded: 'Hmm.'

The former president added: 'I think it's important that we can have some time together, we'll take it at value.'

Biden appeared to back his predecessor up, saying: 'Yeah, we'll get there in time.'

Obama then turned away from the camera and said something else to Biden, to which the president responded: 'Uh huh.'
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Something's changed.

Who is favored to win
For the first time since 538 published our presidential election forecast for Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, Trump has taken the lead (if a very small one) over Harris. As of 3 p.m. Eastern on Oct. 18, our model gives Trump a 52-in-100 chance of winning the majority of Electoral College votes. The model gives Harris a 48-in-100 chance.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/4945815-de ... blue-wall/
Senate Democrats running away from Harris in ‘blue wall’ states
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It sounds to me Mylapore Mami is not that interested in opposing either Biden or her high healed donors to show any major policy shift even to the point she may lose here. Me things she just want to settle down with post election riches from them and is not interested in creating undue enmity now. She should be clearly knowing that if she does not declare a plan that is going to contrast with Biden, she is going to lose among the swing voters. But she does not want to do that IMO. So get ready for Trump tariff wars.
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Ex NASCAR driver Danica Patrick endorsed Trump. I can’t vote of course but I am happy to be convinced
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williams wrote: 22 Oct 2024 23:25 It sounds to me Mylapore Mami is not that interested in opposing either Biden or her high healed donors to show any major policy shift even to the point she may lose here. Me things she just want to settle down with post election riches from them and is not interested in creating undue enmity now. She should be clearly knowing that if she does not declare a plan that is going to contrast with Biden, she is going to lose among the swing voters. But she does not want to do that IMO. So get ready for Trump tariff wars.
She cancelled all rallies today to mug the material for tomorrow's NBC interview
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The more Comma-la, as she likes to be called, speaks to the press, the more she’s disliked by the public. It’s quite cringy. Hopefully she gives many interviews to media through early next week. She fails to be human like and comes across as mean, drunk or bipolar.

Trump is appearing on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast this Friday. A long open ended discussion. It should be fun.
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Nothing is certain until results are out...margins are small with %error. Here is one article which says that the recent polls are all Republican sponsored to energise a muted morale of conservative voters.

3 tell-tale signs that Harris will beat Trump: Real polls, fake polls, enthusiasm
Donald Trump, his MAGA followers and Fox News are clinging to the hope that a slew of Republican-sponsored polls — which are allegedly intentionally slanted — will help produce a victory on Nov. 5 by energizing GOP voters who are fading in the enthusiasm battles with the Kamala Harris coalition.

It’s a tough task as the former president talks about genitalia, veers off message and continues to threaten “the enemy within” — his political opponents, the media and others — with prison. Republican leaders have been pleading with Trump to ditch the MAGA authoritarian messaging, but he refuses.

Meanwhile, independent polling indicates that Harris, the Vice President, is running through the finish line and, if the Democrats can get out their vote, is likely to be elected president.

Polling has consistently shown that Harris is building a team of Democrats, Independents and disaffected Republicans (from Bernie Sanders to Liz Cheney); the more voters learn about her, the more they like her; and she has dissolved Trump’s presumed advantage: the economy.

Harris has been ahead in nearly every independent poll released in the past two months, and there are signs that as election day draws near, she will claim most of the undecided and/or soft votes and win.

Here’s why Harris is likely to win:

FAVORABILITY

In accredited polls, voters simply find that Harris is a better candidate. In an AP poll released on Monday, Harris is plus-5 in favorability (51-46%), while Trump is minus-18 (40-58%).

And the favorability carries through the ticket, according to the AP poll: Democratic VP nominee Tim Walz has a plus-4 favorability rating (41-37%), while Trump running mate JD Vance is 15 points underwater (33-48%).

With voting underway or about to begin in dozens of states, campaign analysts believe this is a key factor, and Harris’ strong favorability is convincing voters who are now deciding.

According to an Emerson College poll, “Voters who made their decision on who to support over a month ago break for Trump, 52% to 48%, while voters who made up their mind in the last month or week break for Harris, 60% to 36%. The three percent of voters who said they could still change their mind currently favor Harris, 48% to 43%.”

Harris spent Monday campaigning with Cheney, a former member of the GOP’s House leadership, in three key battleground states.

Cheney, trying to persuade Republican voters to break from Trump, said they could find Harris a better choice — and choose her privately: “I know many Republicans who will vote for Vice President Harris but not be public. Remember, you can vote your conscience and not ever have to say a word to anybody. There will be millions of Republicans who do that on Nov. 5.”

ECONOMY

According to The Associated Press, which is another accredited pollster: “Trump has lost what had been an advantage on the economy, which many voters say is the most important issue this election season.”

When voters were asked by the AP whom they trust on key issues, Harris polled +12 on middle class taxes, +5 on housing costs, +2 on jobs and employment. She also polled +24 on abortion, a key issue that the Democrats have tied to economic freedom for women and families.

Trump led by two points on the cost of groceries and gas, and five points on tariffs.

FAKE POLLS

Two new independent national polls released Tuesday reveal Harris’ lead persists: Morning Consult (with no change vs. its last poll) shows Harris up 50-46%, while a Reuters/Ipsos (also no change vs. its last poll), shows Harris ahead, 48-45%.

Still, Many MAGA enthusiasts point to questionable polls and Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market, whose bettors were giving Trump a 60% chance of winning this week, while Harris’s chances were 40%.

But the Wall Street Journal reported the Polymarket surge “might be a mirage.” The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October.

According to the Wall Street Journal:

Trump’s gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump’s favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump’s growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. “More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line,” Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win.

In addition, the Democrats have pointed to a flood of fake GOP polls that are implying that Trump has momentum in the final month. But Democratic analyst Simon Rosenberg, who predicted the arrival of these polls weeks before they appeared, is calling them out — along with sites like FiveThirtyEight, which acknowledges the polls are bad data, but includes them anyway.

“Since late August more than 70 right-aligned polls have been dropped into the polling averages,” Rosenberg writes. “The two states that have been worked the hardest are North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In October of the 27 Presidential polls released in Pennsylvania, 16 are from right-aligned pollsters, a majority. Since Aug. 31, of the 41 Presidential polls released in North Carolina, 21, a majority have home come from right aligned pollsters. At least 31 right-aligned pollsters and sponsoring organizations have released polls in the last 7 weeks.”

North Carolina might be a tell-tale: “Trump and his campaign spending this much time in North Carolina shows they know they are behind in electoral college,” former GOP campaign strategist Matthew Dowd tweeted. “If they are trying this hard to win NC, it means they know they are in trouble.”

Rosenberg added: “This 2024 red wave op is much larger and involves many more actors and polls than the red wave campaign in 2022. It also involves new players — Polymarket, Elon — and feels far more desperate, frenetic, unhinged. Trumpian.”
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Whatever be the outcome, here is some useful information:

Early voting already started in September, therefore "poll predictions" after that date should be taken with even greater caution since its not clear what they mean, i.e. is the sample a mix of already-voted and yet-to-vote people, or only one of these groups ? And depending on the sample, how is the data connected to the result prediction ?

Regarding voting trends, this is one of the "factual" articles that isn't behind a paywall:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2 ... democrats/

As of today evening, about 15 million have already voted (either by mail or in person). The article has a bunch of interesting facts, but one that stood out was:
Harris leads Trump among early voters, 63% to 34%, according to a USA Today/Suffolk University poll of those who have already voted released Monday, though Trump leads 52% to 35% among those who plan to vote on Election Day.
In 2020, about 158 million voted. Of this the large majority - 100 million - voted early, and only 58 million voted on election day.

This time, I have read that early voting is breaking all records. So as of now, it seems that Harris has a large edge among early voters, and Trump has an edge on "election day" voters. As the article says, it is premature to start predicting the election outcome based on this.

It will be interesting to see how these trends develop during the next two weeks.
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Early voting by battleground state is where it matters. In all 7 battleground states of NV, AZ, GA, WI, MI, PA & NC, Republican voters are voting early more than in past elections. The advantage margins for the Democrats is lower in 2024 compared to 2020.

From the NY Times:
https://archive.is/jdMd5

From Fortune:
https://archive.is/f7vbs

Trump will likely do better than 2020, but it may not be by enough margins to win. In states like MI, there are more registered voters than voting age adults by 500,000 but Dems didn't allow the voter rolls to be cleaned up. A ripe opportunity to cheat. https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... -disagrees
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vijayk wrote: 23 Oct 2024 02:45
williams wrote: 22 Oct 2024 23:25 It sounds to me Mylapore Mami is not that interested in opposing either Biden or her high healed donors to show any major policy shift even to the point she may lose here. Me things she just want to settle down with post election riches from them and is not interested in creating undue enmity now. She should be clearly knowing that if she does not declare a plan that is going to contrast with Biden, she is going to lose among the swing voters. But she does not want to do that IMO. So get ready for Trump tariff wars.
She cancelled all rallies today to mug the material for tomorrow's NBC interview
And.. did that worse than even Raga. I would fire all her advisors. She should be going and meeting people in the swing states to get some last minute momentum. This is not the time to give interviews with friendly press. BTW the interviewer was a lot tougher than normal this time. Perhaps they're also smelling the coffee and jumping ship.
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^^In order to at least *appear* objective, one should also talk about Trump. As of now, his ability to form coherent/substantive sentences and arguments is about at the level of a middle-schooler (10-14 year old). He seems to have degenerative issues similar to Bhaidanwa. Nothing wrong with that per se (many elders have this issue) - but that's really not president material. He has also not released his medical records.
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Now there is early-voting tracking on swing states.

I found this early-voting tracker that covers 4 swing states (PA, WI, NC, MI) plus FL. https://projects.votehub.com/pages/early-voting-tracker

For two of the states (PA and NC) the data is available party-wise. Note that "party-wise" means the party registration of the voter, not their actual vote (which will only be counted on Nov 5). Of course the vast majority of these votes will be on party lines, but there will be cross-votes that could be very important in case of thin margins.

Interestingly, a lot more republicans are voting early this time. This includes mail voting, which is the only available form of early voting in PA, the biggest swing state. Paradoxically - Trump derides mail voting ("its a fraud") and yet urges his supporters to do it. In other words, his opinion is that only Dem mail voting is a fraud but Rep mail voting will be all honest.

All the above does not have any reliable predictive effect on the outcome, especially this early. Only about 20 million have voted so far, even though that is a record-breaker. The mail/early voting trend started in the 2020 (pandemic) election, and it looks like it has caught on/persisted after that. Reminds me of the pervasise "home/remote work" culture that started back then and has become very acceptable even years later.

Some pollsters are saying that if early voting crosses 50% in some swing states like GA and NC before election day, it could be a very good sign for Harris (and vice versa for Trump). I am not sure about this logic, will understand it better and post later.
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KL Dubey wrote: 23 Oct 2024 22:58 ^^In order to at least *appear* objective, one should also talk about Trump. As of now, his ability to form coherent/substantive sentences and arguments is about at the level of a middle-schooler (10-14 year old). He seems to have degenerative issues similar to Bhaidanwa. Nothing wrong with that per se (many elders have this issue) - but that's really not president material. He has also not released his medical records.
KL Ji, those are Democratic talking points and most of them are quite fair. DT is old, has a flawed past, didn't accept the 2020 election results, all those civil and criminal cases, convicted felon etc etc. But you got to agree it is the stupidity of the Democrats that has made him catch up now and is marginally leading all swing state polls. Granted they are polls and are within the margin of error. But he is almost in the verge of winning this and it is the Democrats to blame for it. They botched up by letting Biden win the primaries and then nominated Harris in the last minute. They knew Biden is both unpopular and had physical aging issues. They should have benched him early and should have elected a much better candidate than Kamala.

For what it is worth, DTs argument on energy policy, border issues and trade makes common sense to Americans and his talking points on those are quite coherent if you watch them in youtube unfiltered by the media. Harris did good in the debate, but something changed after that. Her interviews and speeches seems to be stale in the last few weeks. Same thing happened to HC in 2016. Either she is listening to bad advisers or some part of Democratic leadership is sabotaging her campaign for some unknown reason. Even the press which used to be friendly with her is suddenly highlighting her flaws more than before. Therefore what was locked up for Democrats a year back is quite competitive now.

BTW from India POV, it seems republican WH are more friendly than Democratic administration. So if DT wins, it is good for Indian strategic ambitions IMO. If Harris wins, we will have some staleness in the relationship is my hunch.
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williams wrote: 23 Oct 2024 11:31
vijayk wrote: 23 Oct 2024 02:45

She cancelled all rallies today to mug the material for tomorrow's NBC interview
And.. did that worse than even Raga. I would fire all her advisors. She should be going and meeting people in the swing states to get some last minute momentum. This is not the time to give interviews with friendly press. BTW the interviewer was a lot tougher than normal this time. Perhaps they're also smelling the coffee and jumping ship.
This is correct. Today she cancelled all events for a 2nd day for a scripted CNN town hall. Harris is unable to speak freely and express her thoughts. She gets angry with tough questions. She appears to suffer from drug abuse or bi-polar disorder. On the other hand, Trump is quite lucid and has answered many questions in an open discussion. He did a Lex Friedman interview last month & is doing Joe Rogan on Friday. See Lex's interview below.

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This election is stark: you want warfare, lawfare, taxfare, ... welfare...jihadifare - vote for dumbass Kamala, who cannot articulate any idea but but cackles her way through. If you want an end to all the fares and rule US like an adult with sense vote Trump. The US is lucky to have Trump, who displays a grit and resolve like no other to re-establish US as world leader. The rest on pre-polls etc are all hogwash, not to be taken seriously. I loved the way Hillary C looked after her sure win confidence (pre poll said so!) of US elections and lost - priceless to say the least. Expecting the same for Gehra Rajya and Kamala cackling.
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^^^We need to get Dibu here on the 5th November!
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It's not russia but the UK which is interfering in the amriki elections but the deep state would have you think otherwise for very obvious reasons


This is how the britshits pulled off BREXIT despite not having the mandate


and elon musk says "this is war"



Leaked documents from the Center for Countering Digital Hate reveal their primary goal is to "Kill Musk's Twitter" by targeting advertising and leveraging EU regulations.

The British non-profit organization hosted a private meeting with liberal groups opposing Musk’s free speech platform, including representatives from the Biden White House, Rep. Adam Schiff’s office, the Biden-Harris State Department, and Media Matters for America.



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1) EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENTS: Working w/@mtaibbi we report on @CCDHate documents showing the Labour Party's political front's objective is "Kill Musk's Twitter" thru "Advertising focus" meaning harass his advertisers.

See internal documents provided by a whistleblower.


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In a development with significant implications for the upcoming U.S. presidential election, leaked internal documents from the British nonprofit organization, the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), have surfaced.

The documents allegedly reveal a coordinated effort to undermine Elon Musk’s X, formerly Twitter, with the explicit goal to “kill Musk’s Twitter” by pressuring advertisers to withdraw support. These revelations, brought to light by journalists Paul D. Thacker and Matt Taibbi on their Substack ‘The DisInformation Chronicle,’ outline a broader strategy by CCDH, which has strong ties to both the U.K.'s Labour Party and U.S. Democrats, particularly the Biden/Harris administration.

According to the leaked documents, dating back to early 2024, CCDH’s top priority was a campaign titled "Kill Musk’s Twitter" to financially destabilize the platform. This plan, focusing on harassing advertisers, reflects the broader political goals of CCDH’s founder, Morgan McSweeney. McSweeney, a British political operative, played a central role in Labour Party leader Keir Starmer’s rise to power and is now advising U.S. Democrats, including Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

The documents raise serious questions about the intersection of nonprofit advocacy and political maneuvering. While CCDH markets itself as an anti-misinformation organization, the leak reveals a more politically motivated agenda. One of its top objectives is to “trigger EU and UK regulatory action” against platforms like Twitter, further blurring the line between its stated mission and its actions. According to IRS regulations, CCDH’s tax-exempt status could be at risk if it is found that its activities primarily aim to influence legislation.

McSweeney's Influence Across the Atlantic

McSweeney’s influence extends beyond his role in the U.K. Labour Party. He also spearheaded the Labour Together initiative, a neoliberal think tank closely aligned with Starmer's government. CCDH has adopted aggressive tactics under McSweeney’s leadership, using accusations of bigotry and misinformation to silence opposition voices on both the Left and Right by pressuring advertisers to cut funding.

One of CCDH’s most notable successes was its campaign against The Canary, a left-leaning U.K. news outlet accused of antisemitism due to its pro-Palestinian stance. CCDH's efforts caused a significant loss of advertising revenue for the site, which critics argue was part of McSweeney’s broader strategy to consolidate power within Labour by marginalizing opponents.

In the U.S., CCDH has been actively engaged in similar efforts, meeting with lawmakers to push for stricter online censorship and platform regulation. The leaked documents show that CCDH held multiple meetings with U.S. legislators, advocating for the adoption of its "STAR framework" — a proposal for an independent digital regulator similar to the European Union’s Digital Services Act. This regulatory push has led to concerns that CCDH’s activities may be more aligned with political censorship than anti-disinformation efforts.

U.S. and U.K. Political Connections

The close relationship between CCDH, Labour Together, and U.S. Democrats has drawn criticism, especially from conservative figures. Trump ally Sebastian Gorka labeled the cooperation between British political operatives and U.S. campaigns as “a bloody outrage,” emphasizing concerns about foreign influence in U.S. elections. McSweeney’s advisory role in the Harris and Walz campaigns has raised questions about the appropriateness of such cross-national political collaborations.

McSweeney’s rise within the Labour Party has been marked by his ability to attract wealthy donors and effectively manage fundraising efforts. His promotion to Keir Starmer’s Chief of Staff after the resignation of Sue Gray further solidified his position within the party. However, the relationship between McSweeney’s Labour and the Democrats is not just limited to strategy-sharing. Labour staffers have reportedly been canvassing for Harris and Walz in recent months, highlighting the deepening ties between the two political parties.
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williams wrote: 23 Oct 2024 23:45 For what it is worth, DTs argument on energy policy, border issues and trade makes common sense to Americans and his talking points on those are quite coherent if you watch them in youtube unfiltered by the media. Harris did good in the debate, but something changed after that. Her interviews and speeches seems to be stale in the last few weeks. Same thing happened to HC in 2016. Either she is listening to bad advisers or some part of Democratic leadership is sabotaging her campaign for some unknown reason. Even the press which used to be friendly with her is suddenly highlighting her flaws more than before. Therefore what was locked up for Democrats a year back is quite competitive now.
I don't know what the outcome will be, but if your comments are correct then the USA electorate and its economic/social/mental condition has been worn down enough that they will go with someone like Trump, i.e. vote against their own interests/future for a freebie (crumbs) in fuel/energy prices - even that is uncertain. In a sense it is somewhat the reverse of Bharat voting trends, perhaps reflecting the trends in fortunes of the two countries and the trends in the quality of their people.
BTW from India POV, it seems republican WH are more friendly than Democratic administration. So if DT wins, it is good for Indian strategic ambitions IMO. If Harris wins, we will have some staleness in the relationship is my hunch.
I do not know how one comes to these conclusions. NaMo - true to his reputation as a class act - salvaged the India-US relations by massaging the ego/vanity of an inferior man (Trump) with various summits/joint rallies/visits. Otherwise, the Trump sarkar was not notable as a "supporter/friend" of Bharat. The USA-funded BIFs set up shop during that period and got fully activated by 2019-2020. India and US had a mini-war on tariffs. US immigration/visa proceedings of Indians tanked to a standstill, strongly affecting the IT industry. Defense trade was paltry (barely $3 bn in four years). The only reason India got assistance from USA in the himalayan border standoff is because we were seen by Trump and Pompeo as a counterweight (i.e. tool) against China.

In contrast, the Bhaidanwa administration - while certainly not a "friend" of India - have taken the quantitative aspects of the India-US relationship much further.

On a lighter note, I just saw on NDTV this fake/staged interaction of an Indian guy and his wife with Trump playing the McDonalds drive-through employee: :lol:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/watch-d ... al-6844409

The Indian man seems to think (or rather, was asked to think) that McDonald Trump "made it possible for him to be in the USA", whereas the opposite was true. The funny part is that Trump probably doesn't even comprehend why the hell that would/would not be the case.
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This lines up with the 538 polls above showing the trend has changed.

Expect the GOP to Win Big in the Senate
Two Democratic senators up for election touted their links to Donald Trump last week. Pennsylvania’s Bob Casey released an ad declaring he had “sided with Trump” on trade and tariffs, while an ad from Wisconsin’s Tammy Baldwin boasted that she “got President Trump to back her Made in America bill.”

One conclusion from these ads is that Mr. Trump is in the ascendancy in these states. He might be. But the ads also speak to a hidden dynamic that may hand the Senate to the GOP. Candidates in Arizona, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are fighting for the support of undecided voters. These voters tend to account for between 5% and 10% of states’ electorates, enough to sway the result of a close race. These crucial voters look a lot more like Mr. Trump’s supporters than Kamala Harris’s.
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A brillant and entertaining take on Trump and his X-Men team by JBP.

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So what does the Democratic Party have that can match up with the X-Men team above, given they couldn't hang on to 2 of them - Kennedy and Tulsi. Who will Cackling ComeAlla and DoubleDonutWlaz surround themselves with as key players in the event they win?
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The X-Men are cartoons.
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vijayk wrote: 17 Oct 2024 08:59
Vayutuvan wrote: 17 Oct 2024 05:26

Harmeet Kaur Dhillon?
yep
I am not sure if she is Khalistani or not but she did recited the Ardaas(Sikh prayer) at Republican national conference for which she was chastised by various rightest RNC groups.
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SBajwa wrote: 25 Oct 2024 15:28

I am not sure if she is Khalistani or not but she did recited the Ardaas(Sikh prayer) at Republican national conference for which she was chastised by various rightest RNC groups.
Is it possible that a lot of Pakistani Punjabi illegal migrants are Masquerading as SIkhs in US and Canada- after many of them spell Punjab as Panjab, have cut hairstyles, criminal, speak Punjabi- I have seen JATKA meat test on these guys.
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Some interesting developments going on....

On 27 SEP 2024, The Biden-Harris administration issued DoD Directive 5240.01:
DOD INTELLIGENCE AND INTELLIGENCE-RELATED ACTIVITIES
AND DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE COMPONENT ASSISTANCE TO
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER CIVIL
AUTHORITIES

https://www.esd.whs.mil/portals/54/docu ... 24001p.pdf

This directive was last issued in 2007 and expired, but it has been re-issued again. It allows for the use of lethal force against the US population.
Assistance in responding with assets with potential for lethality, or any situation
in which it is reasonably foreseeable that providing the requested assistance may involve the use
of force that is likely to result in lethal force, including death or serious bodily injury. It also
includes all support to civilian law enforcement officials in situations where a confrontation
between civilian law enforcement and civilian individuals or groups is reasonably anticipated.
Such use of force must be in accordance with DoDD 5210.56, potentially as further restricted
based on the specifics of the requested support.
On the face of it, this Directive is in violation of the US constitution Posse Comitatus Act, except that act can be overridden by the Insurrection Act if invoked by POTUS. Should Trump win, there is the real possibility, that in several states, regions or the entire US may be put into martial law. Similarly, if Trump loyal forces attack any local or state election offices, those areas would be placed under martial law. In any case, this Directive allows for considerable mischief by POTUS. Perhaps, a Bangladesh type coup within the US itself.

I think it's time that the GoI MEA issue a travel advisory for the US. Dates from 05 NOV 2024 to 21 JAN 2025.
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Aditya_V wrote: 25 Oct 2024 17:19
SBajwa wrote: 25 Oct 2024 15:28

I am not sure if she is Khalistani or not but she did recited the Ardaas(Sikh prayer) at Republican national conference for which she was chastised by various rightest RNC groups.
Is it possible that a lot of Pakistani Punjabi illegal migrants are Masquerading as SIkhs in US and Canada- after many of them spell Punjab as Panjab, have cut hairstyles, criminal, speak Punjabi- I have seen JATKA meat test on these guys.
It is possible if they are illegal migrants but not if they came as students, visitor, work visa, business visa as there is always trail (finger prints, dna, etc).
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BRICS summit shows a bit of active alignment if US goes through the drain. If Trump wins, we need to study his cabinet a bit. If he places technocrats in the state dept, then we can reasonably deal with it. If Kamala wins, then it is going to be pretty much the same as today. Namo team has done a good job in keeping all the cards ready for any eventuality. I don't think there will be much violence post election. Sure there will be some drama, but US is quite a large country to go down the drain quickly. But my gut feel is Trump will win. Kamala is not going to be seen as someone different than Biden in the last few weeks and that means she is going to lose. I hear some of the people's argument against Trump, but those are old arguments and I think the electorate has already digested those arguments. Right now, the margins favor Trump.
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11 days before the presidential election, a federal judge is ordering Virginia to reinstate individuals who have self-identified as noncitizens on the voter rolls. Virginia is prepared to take this to the U.S. Supreme Court if needed!
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SBajwa wrote: 25 Oct 2024 15:28
vijayk wrote: 17 Oct 2024 08:59

yep
I am not sure if she is Khalistani or not but she did recited the Ardaas(Sikh prayer) at Republican national conference for which she was chastised by various rightest RNC groups.
She did and I appreciate her for that.

But her association with Khalistani elements and support for Kannada regime supporting Khalistanis is very very disappointing and dangerous.
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vijayk wrote: 25 Oct 2024 23:34 11 days before the presidential election, a federal judge is ordering Virginia to reinstate individuals who have self-identified as noncitizens on the voter rolls. Virginia is prepared to take this to the U.S. Supreme Court if needed!
It is 1400 votes. Not a big deal. However you should read this to understand how primitive is US democracy https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identific ... s_by_state :rotfl:

And these guys are commenting on others.
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1600 not 1400. But yes, it is a symptom of how broken the system is in the US.
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