India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[chetak]

Can you believe this guy and the crap that he has written

the dunkis are majorly from three states

How do the rest of the people in the country manage to live





Indian migrants deported from the US, will be labelled as “failed #Dunki” and #stigma they face upon returning home.

We should not need a passport for human development.

[Cyrano]

Let him take in all those Dunkis if he is so concerned

[chetak]

She's a Hindu by name but Islamist by heart.

She's involved in most anti Hindu campaigns including anti CAA resolution in the USA.

I'm glad that GoI has such a list & blocked this bigot from entering India.

[VinodTK]

^^^^ 'Law and order situation': Group of people trespasses Indian Consulate's premises in Seattle

As Consulate reported about the incident on X, several netizens tried to connect the dots between the trespassing and former Seattle City Council member and Indian-American politician Kshama Sawant, who two hours before the reports came regarding this had demonstrated earlier.

[vera_k]

Looks like MEA is heading off any bad blood that would be created by detaining her after arrival. Good move I say!

[Amber G.]

Can you believe this guy and the crap that he has written
<snip>

heree is what Taranjit Singh Sandhu said:

I repeatedly warned during my 2024 campaign in Amritsar about the inevitable deportations of ‘illegal’ immigrants from the United States.
Despite these warnings, many individuals traveled to the US illegally. Those who chose to stay silent then and are now raising their voices owe the public an explanation!
We must remember to focus on education, skill development, and creating jobs for our youth as a long-term solution.
Sharing this video from April 2024!

[Jay]

The deportations could be done with more grace and humanity. Using civilian aircraft and not making tik tok style chest thumping videos after the fact would go a long way. The way its going the administration appears to rub everyone’s nose in the dirt to show its dominance.

Tanaji, this is Trump admins entire point with these moves. They want to enhance cruelty, advertise it, and bask in its aftermath.

[Jay]

She's a Hindu by name but Islamist by heart.

She's involved in most anti Hindu campaigns including anti CAA resolution in the USA.

I'm glad that GoI has such a list & blocked this bigot from entering India.

Yeah, she can cry more for all I care.

[Jay]

A Question to all the forum members:
The landing of Plane in Amritsar : is that delibrate/calculated move by the Indian Government??
Also will one land in Gandhinagar?? if there are a lot of Gujarati immigrants without legal papers.
I felt that move away from Delhi given the budget session on and the Opposition with nothing to bat and Paapi's loosing Delhi imminent was Indian directed than US request??

It's absolutely possible. Trump admin might have said, "hey, we are moving these by plane" and GOI might have said, "fine, land in Amritsar". We did not deny them landing rights but chose where we can contain the situation. Win-win for everyone I say.

[bala]

The most cruel thing is the Dumbocrats letting these illegals into the US. It is very hard for a first timer to get a job and establish oneself into the US when you have no skills. You are at the mercy of someone giving shelter and food. Getting a job is another matter altogether. You let in 20 M of these examples into your nation without a plan on absorbing them properly you have disaster in the making. On top of this nations like Columbia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, El Salvador, Mexico etc sent their hard core criminals into the US. Which nation will tolerate such things. The Dumbocrats are entirely to be blamed for this fiasco, madam kamala especially.

[Tanaji]

AmberG ,

Use of handcuffs at least one can understand - these people are having their dreams smashed and probably at great personal cost to them, so some of them are going to be desperate. Coupled that with air travel chances of something going catastrophically wrong are high…

But they can at least use civilian airliners for this? I guess the whole purpose is to play to the gallery. I am willing to bet that by the end of the year, the number of Indians deported is not going to be that much higher than the last 5 year average ….

[RCase]

For all the rhona dhona about the US sending these illegals in handcuffs, they need to take a moment to ponder this:

Singapore has a strict policy of dealing with overstay/ illegal immigration. Violators will be given the rotan experience and sent back with marks on their bottoms for life. Even in the 80s, there were signboards at the aircraft gate in India warning about the severe consequences of illegal overstay in Singapore.

I am very surprised that these people would pay 1 crore etc. to try to enter the US. With that kind of money, they would be able to afford a decent lifestyle in India; compared to the servitude that they will endure in the US. In fact, it will take them a very long time to save the equivalent of 1 crore in the US.

[RCase]

She's a Hindu by name but Islamist by heart.

She's involved in most anti Hindu campaigns including anti CAA resolution in the USA.

I'm glad that GoI has such a list & blocked this bigot from entering India.

This Karen needs to be reminded that the US embassy/ consulate in India does not provide any recourse to a visa refusal to Indians. Forget about dharnas and protests on their premises. (Probably will be shot by the Marines).

Maybe it is time for the Indian consulate in Seattle to have armed guards to deal with such unruly folks.

[Amber G.]

^^^^ 'Law and order situation': Group of people trespasses Indian Consulate's premises in Seattle

As Consulate reported about the incident on X, several netizens tried to connect the dots between the trespassing and former Seattle City Council member and Indian-American politician Kshama Sawant, who two hours before the reports came regarding this had demonstrated earlier.

From Indian Consulate:

Today, the Consulate was forced to deal with a law and order situation arising from the unauthorized entry by certain individuals into the Consulate premises after office hours.

Despite repeated requests, these individuals refused to leave the Consulate premises and engaged in aggressive and threatening behaviour with the Consulate staff.

We were compelled to call in relevant local authorities to deal with the situation. Further action is being initiated against the trespassers.

[Kedar]

She's a Hindu by name but Islamist by heart.

She's involved in most anti Hindu campaigns including anti CAA resolution in the USA.

I'm glad that GoI has such a list & blocked this bigot from entering India.

Not just Islamist but anything that is against Hindus and India. My wife's cousin lives in one of the Seattle suburbs which is techie dominated. He said that during the Farmers Protest in 2020 this lady had led a march of Sikhs (very likely Khalistanis) against the Farm Bill. If I was a Seattle resident I would question as to why my council member getting involved in an issue halfway across the world when the City she represents is on a decline. Homelessness, crime, poverty are all were up and still are.

Also with all these caste based discrimination bills we might blame lots of people including my California legislator, Aisha Wahab but it was Sawant who first started the whole process by introducing in the Seattle Council and having it passed successfully.

[vera_k]

^ that was in the run up to get this city council resolution passed. Note the sponsor.
Resolution 31926

Given the inaccuracies in that resolution, it is surprising that MHA/MEA did not choose to detain and trade her for that Indian citizen who was extradited out of Europe. If only India had a functional opposition.

[Kedar]

^ that was in the run up to get this city council resolution passed. Note the sponsor.
Resolution 31926

Given the inaccuracies in that resolution, it is surprising that MHA/MEA did not choose to detain and trade her for that Indian citizen who was extradited out of Europe. If only India had a functional opposition.

She is a legend in her own mind. I doubt anyone will trade anything of value for her. Some of these people are simply useful idiots and can be used to hurt her own community. I also never saw any resolution condemning an Islamic nation for how they treat their women and LGBT people. Forget Hindus or other religious minorities. Anyone doing that will have their throat susceptible to be in contact with a sharp object.

[Cyrano]

USAID in India - A Tale of espionage and economic loot Regime Change in India

https://x.com/IamTheStory__/status/1887 ... p-NSQ&s=19

[chetak]

US routinely rejects visa applications without giving any reasons.

A visa is a privilege and if you exhibit this behavior in US Consulates, they’ll have you removed through police or security.

She has no right to a visa and the Indian Govt doesn’t owe her any explanations.



WATCH VIDEO



Here is kshama aunty and her husband making a scene at the Indian consulate. The video is about 2:18 minutes long


US routinely rejects visa applications without providing any explanation. It is an opaque process where the officer has a lot of latitude. Irrespective, visa is a privilege. She has no rights as enjoyed by Indian citizens. She should stop fomenting trouble in India. The free speech protections in India are not like US. Govt has sweeping powers. This is FAFO and well deserved.

The US even asks for your Social Media & emails related details in the Visa Application.

Hope you understand the reason & logic of asking for that information.

[Haresh]

USAID in India - A Tale of espionage and economic loot Regime Change in India

https://x.com/IamTheStory__/status/1887 ... p-NSQ&s=19

and other nations as well.

US secretly created 'Cuban Twitter' to stir unrest and undermine government

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... tir-unrest

[KL Dubey]

Here is kshama aunty and her husband making a scene at the Indian consulate. The video is about 2:18 minutes long

That was entertaining. True desi-bred commie, sporting the trademark "jhola" even on the other side of the world.

Good job by external affairs ministry. This will send clear signals to DINOs (desi in name only)/India-haters in other countries and will in many cases sober up their behavior.

On the other hand MAGA morons on X that hate India/Indians do profess their aversion to ever visiting India. These are the "shuddh" racists and are much harder to reform.

[RCase]

WATCH VIDEO

Here is kshama aunty and her husband making a scene at the Indian consulate. The video is about 2:18 minutes long

She and her white husband seem to be equally entitled. At best the consulate can send her a letter in American style sugar coated language like:

Ms. Kshama,

We have carefully reviewed your application for a visitors visa. At this point, we have determined that your visa cannot be processed due to national security considerations. India is a nation that stands for free speech and Gandhian principles.We consider each applicant based on their individual merit.

If you wish to pursue a fresh visa application, you may want to consider sending additional information to convince the consular officer that your actions will not be adverse to the sovereignty and integrity of Bharat.

Wishing your mother a speedy recovery.

Indian Consulate, Seattle

[A_Gupta]

Per Times Of India, Indian American supporters of Trump are angered by MAGA double standards.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 067537.cms

[Mort Walker]

Khasma Sawant was trespassing on Indian territory & private property. She should have been roughed up, pepper sprayed & thrown out to the street. Then told the next time she or her husband attempt to enter the property of the Government of India, they will be shot.

[putnanja]

If dems were in power, there would have been some behind the scenes discussions to have India give her visa. Republicans don't give a f*** and are probably happy she is being shown her place

[Mort Walker]

Khasma Sawant isn’t alone. Earlier last year, Ashok Swain, regular India hater in Sweden, had his OCI removed and is now awaiting a hearing in Delhi HIgh Court. That is to allow him entry. Similarly he wanted to visit sick & aging parent.

[RCase]

Khasma Sawant isn’t alone. Earlier last year, Ashok Swain, regular India hater in Sweden, had his OCI removed and is now awaiting a hearing in Delhi HIgh Court. That is to allow him entry. Similarly he wanted to visit sick & aging parent.

Can the courts interfere with MEA for granting visas? That would be a bad precedent.

If at all the court instructs the MEA to grant a visa to these swines, GOI should make it conditional that the person signs an affidavit that they offer an unqualified apology (' kshama' ) for their past subversive activities and will not indulge in the same in the future. They must also subject themselves to being within 2 km of their sick parent or place of stay, reporting to the local police station on a daily basis their entire activity for the day in written. Violation of any of these conditions will result in immediate deportation. Duration of stay not to exceed 30 days.

[vera_k]

Of course they can. To test whether the denial was legally justified. One could technically also challenge a US visa denial in a US court. But few people challenge visa denials.

[Mort Walker]

See the Indian Express link about Ashok Swain.
https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... 8460/lite/

[vera_k]

What's surprising is this is going to a high court directly. The USA runs immigration courts - maybe something the MEA needs to set up for such cases.

[A_Gupta]

> One could technically also challenge a US visa denial in a US court.

Technically, yes, anything is possible. In practice, it doesn't work that way.
E.g.,
https://www.gurfinkel.com/appealing-visa-denial/

Ordinarily, there is no appeal process for visa refusals at the Embassy. Under the doctrine of “consular non- reviewability”, a person cannot even sue the embassy or appeal their visa refusals in US federal courts. The US Supreme Court ruled the Embassy is not even required to provide a “detailed explanation” of the reasons for the visa refusal.

So what can a person do if their visa was refused, and they believe the consul’s decision was wrong? There could still be hope. It is possible, in some limited situations, to seek reconsideration from the Embassy or to “appeal” a visa refusal to the US State Department in Washington DC. The limited situations deal with whether the consul’s “interpretation or application of immigration law” was correct. The State Department will only entertain requests for reconsideration involving legal issues, not factual determinations.

Immigration law can be complex, and subject to several possible interpretations concerning eligibility. If a visa refusal was based on an incorrect application or interpretation of immigration law, the State Department has the ability to clarify the legal issue with the Embassy, possibly clearing the way for visa issuance.

If a visa refusal involves decisions made by a consular officer about a person’s eligibility for a visitor visa, it is a factual determination, not subject to review by the State Department.


However, interpretation of a child’s eligibility under the Child Status Protection Act (CSPA), or other types of situations, could involve “legal questions”, and if a child’s visa is refused, the case could be “appealed” to Washington’s DC if the refusal involves legal issues or legal interpretations of the law.

Again, most visa refusals are final, and cannot be appealed, especially if based on factual determinations. However, if you, or someone you know, had their visa refused, and it involved a legal issue, you may want to seek the advice of an attorney, who can evaluate if your case can be submitted to Washington DC for reconsideration.

[g.sarkar]

Let me put in my two cents worth.
There are thousands of undocumented Indians in the US. And in addition there are thousands of Pak and BD citizens who claim to be "Indians". President Trump is sending back only a token amount, I believe a little more than hundred. This is nothing when compared to the actual amount in US. President Trump is just making a point.
Regarding the hand cuffs and the leg-irons. Usually, there are protocols and department regulations on this. I do not believe that the men were treated differently as punishment. I would like to remind the readers of the arrest of Devyani Khobragade in 2013. She was strip searched. Again, this is done for safety and security reason and the police official involved were just following standard procedure.
Now, regarding spending a crore to come to the US, it is their money. Who am I to tell them how to spend it? There are consequences to their action and they will face it.
Gautam
Writing from Kolkata, West Bangladesh.

[Cyrano]

Nearly 200 disgruntled and pissed off deportees on a plane. Some possibly with violent and criminal history, we don't know exactly who will do what during nearly 20 odd hours of the deportation journey. If they are all not restrained then what are the chances the plane will land with all aboard safely at the destination? That's why those protocols and procedures. For Indians or anyone else, if one pauses and applies common sense.

[chetak]

Nearly 200 disgruntled and pissed off deportees on a plane. Some possibly with violent and criminal history, we don't know exactly who will do what during nearly 20 odd hours of the deportation journey. If they are all not restrained then what are the chances the plane will land with all aboard safely at the destination? That's why those protocols and procedures. For Indians or anyone else, if one pauses and applies common sense.

Cyrano ji,


Everyone already knows that there clear cut regulations for transportation of prisoners in aircraft and what can be done to them, including drugging of such prisoners, shackling/restraining et al is solely at the discretion of the operator of the aircraft.

There is no procedure for appeal

If someone doesn't want to be shackled, don't ever put yourself in such a situation where someone has to shackle you because you wilfully broke their laws.

no one told them to break the law and sneak into another sovereign country and not expect harsh consequences to follow, and then whine about it

the us is a violent country, and sometimes people get shot and/or killed even during traffic stops or at a grocery store because some cokehead with a gun fancied their watch, or got caught in the crossfire during a shootout, whatever

[Cyrano]

Absolutely!

[vimal]

I agree with the point someone made about deporting illegals as a token. I’m certain the Indian number is million plus and this just to make his base happy. Overall there are over 30 million illegal migrants in the US. Not sure how feasible it is to be deported on planes.

[sanjaykumar]

The US parallel with India’s Bangladeshi illegals is remarkable. There are sufficient numbers and the job/societal infiltration so thorough that deporting them will be painful to both societies. Add to that the threat of suicide bombings in India.

At least the Americans are deporting some token number. The Indians have probably accepted another million since CAA et al.

[Cyrano]

Lots happening in the US with Trump and Musk's DOGE. Many revelations, some wrt India we here on BRF knew/suspected for long. With it's unlimited printing press the US has been acting like a drunken monkey for many years, across the world.

The full extent of the upheaval in the US itself will unfold over many months to come.

We should focus on the revelations about anti Bharat forces and use them to trample such snakes, both at home and outside, instead of getting side tracked by some teenage racist nerd working for Musk.

My gut feel is that in the next couple of years, all this cleanup will lead to a resurgent US, and we as Bharat should prepare ourselves to deal with it on the best possible terms. Meanwhile order more popcorn, nevermind the GST

[Mort Walker]

Some reports, unconfirmed, indicate India only accepting deportees sent by chartered civilian aircraft which GoI will pay for their transportation.

[vera_k]

I agree with the point someone made about deporting illegals as a token. I’m certain the Indian number is million plus and this just to make his base happy. Overall there are over 30 million illegal migrants in the US. Not sure how feasible it is to be deported on planes.

The number is far lower than that. The latest report from the DHS (from 2022) estimates 220,000 unauthorized immigrants from India.

Note that the methodology for counting was updated in this report. Previous to this report, any non-immigrants (like those on H1, L1) who renewed status within the USA without actually traveling through a port of entry would be counted as an unauthorized immigrant. This had the effect of inflating numbers from India because there are so many people from India who never get a green card.

Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population

Nonimmigrant population, January 1, 2022 (2.8 million)

The number of nonimmigrants living in the United States on January 1, 2022 was calculated by matching
administrative records of nonimmigrant arrivals to subsequent records indicating departure in the CBP Arrival
Departure Information System (ADIS), and then counting the number of resident-class nonimmigrants present
in valid status during the 12-month period centered on January 1, 2022. The method starts with all admission
records since October 2014, filtered to those reflecting admissions under nonimmigrant classes associated with
residence.16 Next, for the 15th of each month from July 2021 to June 2022, ADIS checks for matched records
indicating departure or expiration of status prior to that date and omits those, leaving 12 monthly counts of
resident-class nonimmigrants present in valid status. Lastly, averaging the 12 monthly counts yields an annual
average count centered on January 1, 2022.

This method (counting arrival records in ADIS and filtering out any with a matching departure record or for a
person whose status expired) is new to the 2018–2022 series. OHSS previously planned to implement the new
method for the 2022 estimates and beyond, but not for earlier estimates, because October 2014 is the earliest
arrival date available in the ADIS data, and that restriction means substantial numbers of nonimmigrants who
entered before October 2014 are excluded from the 2018–2022 estimates as explained below (see Limitations
section). The new method was updated earlier than planned because the previous method was reliant on the
stability of travel trends over time and was compromised by sudden, extreme changes in travel patterns in
response to COVID-19.