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CCS clears 307 indigenous artillery guns ATAGS
The Cabinet Committee on Security has approved a Rs 7,000 crore deal to procure 307 advanced towed artillery gun systems (ATAGS) and 327 gun-towing vehicles for the Army.
The deal is for 307 howitzers, which have a strike range up to 45-48-km, and 327 gun-towing vehicles to arm 15 artillery regiments of the Army, with the contract expected to be inked next week.
Designed and developed by DRDO, the 155mm/52-calibre ATAGS will be produced by Bharat Forge and Tata Advanced Systems. Bharat Forge will manufacture 60% of the guns after it emerged as the L-1 (lowest bidder), while Tata will produce the remaining 40%.
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At last.
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What is the timeliness for contract signature?
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1500 requirement … but orders for only 300. The contract still not signed!

The whole procurement process don’t know or don’t care if IDDM needs to be prioritized and fast tracked … or no understanding of RoI and profitability—relatively small orders always but it takes 5-years to finally sign it!
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ATAGS requirement is not 1500, its only 307 (and this is also an increased number).
The heavy ATAGS is not found suitable in the Himalayas.

there is another version of ATAGS (lighter by few tons) ready with Bharat Forge.
Athos is also in this weight category.
Plus MGS is also on the way.
this is a very good start after M777, Dhanush, K9, and Sharang projects.
once TAGS (lighter ATAGS) and MGS are also ordered, then it will cover all the requirements.
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^^^
Cabinet nod for acquisition of India-made guns worth Rs 7,000 crore

BY IANS
PUBLISHED DATE - 20 MARCH 2025, 03:59 PM
Cabinet nod for acquisition of India-made guns worth Rs 7,000 crore

New Delhi: The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, has approved the acquisition of the India-made Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) worth nearly Rs 7,000 crore, marking a major step towards the country’s self-reliance in the defence sector, according to official sources.

The ATAGS, the first indigenously designed, developed, and manufactured 155 mm artillery gun, is set to enhance the operational capabilities of the Indian Armed Forces with its cutting-edge technology and superior firepower.

The ATAGS, an advanced towed artillery gun system featuring a long 52-calibre barrel, allowing for extended firing ranges of up to 40 km, is seen as a game-changer. With its larger calibre, the system ensures higher lethality, delivering increased explosive payloads while enabling automated deployment, target engagement, and reduced crew fatigue. This approval underscores India’s growing prowess in indigenous defence manufacturing and technological advancements.

The induction of ATAGS will play a crucial role in modernising the Indian Army’s artillery by replacing outdated 105 mm and 130 mm guns. Its deployment along the country’s western and northern borders will provide the armed forces with a significant strategic edge, ensuring enhanced operational readiness and firepower.

A testament to the ‘Make in India’ initiative, ATAGS has been developed through collaboration between the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Indian private industry partners. Over 65 per cent of its components are sourced domestically, including key subsystems such as the barrel, muzzle brake, breech mechanism, firing and recoil system, and ammunition handling mechanism. This development not only strengthens India’s defence industry but also reduces dependence on foreign imports.

Being an entirely indigenous system, ATAGS will benefit from a robust supply chain of spares and seamless life cycle maintenance. The domestically developed system ensures long-term product support, strengthening India’s self-sufficiency in defence technology.

One of the key advantages of ATAGS is its minimal reliance on foreign components. Critical subsystems such as the Navigation System, Muzzle Velocity Radar, and sensors are designed and sourced indigenously, significantly reducing India’s dependence on foreign technology and imports.

The approval and manufacturing of ATAGS will generate substantial employment, with an estimated 20 lakh man-days created across various industries. Additionally, this development is expected to bolster India’s position in the global defence export market, paving the way for future indigenous defence exports.
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Aditya_V wrote: 20 Mar 2025 14:34 What is the timeliness for contract signature?
Can this happen by this Financial year 31-March ?
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ashishvikas wrote: 20 Mar 2025 20:23
Aditya_V wrote: 20 Mar 2025 14:34 What is the timeliness for contract signature?
Can this happen by this Financial year 31-March ?
There were posts by a knowledgeable poster 'Vidur' about the various steps in the procurement ladder.

March 2031 does seem possible... :)
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Manish_P wrote: 20 Mar 2025 21:07
ashishvikas wrote: 20 Mar 2025 20:23

Can this happen by this Financial year 31-March ?
There were posts by a knowledgeable poster 'Vidur' about the various steps in the procurement ladder.

March 2031 does seem possible... :)
Naan, it would be quick..
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Ankit Desai wrote: 20 Mar 2025 07:53 CCS clears 307 indigenous artillery guns ATAGS
The Cabinet Committee on Security has approved a Rs 7,000 crore deal to procure 307 advanced towed artillery gun systems (ATAGS) and 327 gun-towing vehicles for the Army.
The deal is for 307 howitzers, which have a strike range up to 45-48-km, and 327 gun-towing vehicles to arm 15 artillery regiments of the Army, with the contract expected to be inked next week.
Designed and developed by DRDO, the 155mm/52-calibre ATAGS will be produced by Bharat Forge and Tata Advanced Systems. Bharat Forge will manufacture 60% of the guns after it emerged as the L-1 (lowest bidder), while Tata will produce the remaining 40%.
-Ankit
Wow - that is a big one! Slowly and steadily, the delays help our own industry. The armed forces still struggle though, through their own incompetence of ordering in small batches and changing requirements often..
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A Deshmukh wrote: 20 Mar 2025 17:43 ATAGS requirement is not 1500, its only 307 (and this is also an increased number).
The heavy ATAGS is not found suitable in the Himalayas.

there is another version of ATAGS (lighter by few tons) ready with Bharat Forge.
Athos is also in this weight category.
Plus MGS is also on the way.
this is a very good start after M777, Dhanush, K9, and Sharang projects.
once TAGS (lighter ATAGS) and MGS are also ordered, then it will cover all the requirements.
You have highlighted the exact issue :twisted:

Overall, towed 155mm artillery requirement is 1500. Most of the border with Pakistan are not Himalayas. So 600 x ATAGS could easily have been accommodated. Remember how long of a journey (few decades) it has been to procure “imported” 155mm (but now a desi one is finally ready after endless trials).

That would have still left room for Himalayas 900 x TAGS (…if not a guise for another licensed import through “emergency” route).
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Wasn't there another tender for 400 follow on ATAGS?
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A Deshmukh wrote: 20 Mar 2025 17:43 ATAGS requirement is not 1500, its only 307 (and this is also an increased number).
The heavy ATAGS is not found suitable in the Himalayas.

there is another version of ATAGS (lighter by few tons) ready with Bharat Forge.
Athos is also in this weight category.
Plus MGS is also on the way.
this is a very good start after M777, Dhanush, K9, and Sharang projects.
once TAGS (lighter ATAGS) and MGS are also ordered, then it will cover all the requirements.
This is an invalid argument peddled by foreign nirbhar generals and babus

Is the requirement is of only 307 guns in the plains? is that how much we field today? What stops us from supplying 100% ATAGS guns in the plains where elevation is not a concern. And move all the bofors and 130mm guns that are their in the plains to the mountains.

Also remember, Ladakh area is also like plains - once you move the guns by air those guns stay there and operate as if they operate in the plains.

ATAGS was done with a design to achieve 50 kms range and accuracy with normal projectile. Hence, the barrel , hydraulics, chassis etc should be all beefed up. If Army say wants 40 km range then we can certainly have a lighter gun which incidentally is also there
a) Desi bofors
b) Bharat 52

But our foreign nirbhar generals are hell bent in buying Athos, they will get a screw driver deal and call it atmanirbhar.
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ATAGS - GUNNERS DAY


ATAGS is shown traversing mountainous terrain easily. It has not only traversed the mountains easily but also ensured that the usual issues associated with towed artillery is resolved with a unique solution of Steerable Caster. So if anyone states it cant be used in mountains, show them this video. 327 gun towing vehicles suited for ATAGS are also getting acquired. Also the video shows the truck easily towing ATAGS.

Read more at:
https://manufacturing.economictimes.ind ... /114963030
The towed guns have been extensively tested by the Army in different terrains, from desert areas to the high altitude ranges in Sikkim and have been declared fit for induction. Amount the tests conducted by the Army were sustained firing drills using just the backup battery at heights of over 13,0000 feet and checking performance at extremely low temperatures.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230206120 ... rdo-540085
The guns called the Advance Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) performed “very well” in winter trials in Sikkim last week.

The Army has tested it in Sikkim, which is the most remotest mountainous terrain. This exposes the argument that the gun cant be used in mountains.

And there is also even better news that there is indeed ALTGS lighter and giving the same performance advantage of ATAGS along with commonality of parts.
https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2024/ ... quirement/

The ALTGS is the response to this challenge. It is designed to meet the army’s needs while maintaining the high level of firepower that has been achieved in the ATAGS. By reducing the weight while keeping most of the capabilities intact, the DRDO ensures that the ALTGS provides operational flexibility in various terrains.

Commonality in Artillery Systems: A Strategic Advantage

One of the main advantages of the ALTGS is its commonality with the ATAGS. Using a gun system that shares components and capabilities with the ATAGS simplifies the supply chain. The Indian Army would not need to stock different spare parts for multiple artillery systems, making inventory management more efficient.
As the Indian Army continues to modernize, the Advanced Light Towed Gun System (ALTGS) is likely to become a key component of its artillery capabilities. The ALTGS offers the perfect balance between firepower, mobility, and logistical efficiency. Its lighter weight makes it ideal for deployment in rough terrains, while its commonality with the ATAGS simplifies training and inventory management.

So it should be ALTGS or a competition between Bharat-52, ALTGS and Dhanush. or all the three gets inducted.
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in the drone era, I would think that ATAGS can be a liability quickly.
We need more of MGS & K9 (truck and track mounted) guns than towed guns.
Mounted guns can shoot and scoot faster.

Himalaya argument is with reference to the soil. As per Artillery officers the soil cannot sustain the recoil of bigger guns unless it is well prepared.
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A Deshmukh wrote: 21 Mar 2025 10:43 in the drone era, I would think that ATAGS can be a liability quickly.
We need more of MGS & K9 (truck and track mounted) guns than towed guns.
Mounted guns can shoot and scoot faster.

Himalaya argument is with reference to the soil. As per Artillery officers the soil cannot sustain the recoil of bigger guns unless it is well prepared.
Artillery especially longer range is better, Drones generally are effective the first few Kms from the front line, after which Jamming and length of Fiber optic they are not soo useful, but Artillery as the Ukraine- Russo war is king, with US and France rushing to increase production as they are unable to keep up with Russian production.

We Indians are real doubting Thomases with doing nothing, it is sometimes better to make a bad decision than no decision and what seems a bad decision can be a great decision.
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Aditya_V wrote: 21 Mar 2025 12:07 We Indians are real doubting Thomases with doing nothing, it is sometimes better to make a bad decision than no decision and what seems a bad decision can be a great decision.
If Indian Army says it needs only 307 ATAGS, then I trust them.
Folks are raising red flags - why only 307 when 1500+ are needed.

We are made some progress - starting with Sharang project, Dhanush, M777, K9 and now ATAGS.
The distribution indicates hedging of risks and multi-prong approach by Army Artillery. This is good.
This has given time for Bharat Forge and Tata guns to mature in technology.

Future orders for artillery should go to these two and L&T.
For me red flag would only be if orders are given to Athos or any other imported gun.

Also, we have made good progress on Pinaka.
Our Artillery is on the right track now with this order.
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Overall, the 307, while looks piecemeal will actually enable us to replace the long in the tooth FH77B that are now almost 40 years old. The ATAGS (Lets Call them Agneya for the time being) - will do well in the Upper northern sectors and near the Cheen borders. The FH77B's meanwhile relocate to the western border supported by the upgraded GRAD and Pinaka Mk2s.
On the topic of 'drone' warfare - it is something that I am sure the IA is already planning from a containment perspective, Plus with BB ammo the Agneya can be deployed 30 km from the active line and still bring down enough firepower to 15+ km towards the enemy. Drones at that range will be susceptible to Jamming and not as effective IMHO.
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There is news about the Indian Army looking for slightly lighter Towed Artillery Guns(TAGs), less than 15T weight. The ATAGS are around 19T. Hence they have only contracted for 307 ATAGS. There is a reference to it in this video. Watch after 12 minutes into the video.

https://youtu.be/aELBos2Ms-Y?si=LlAe6iXPtrGyuviV
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A Deshmukh wrote: 21 Mar 2025 10:43 in the drone era, I would think that ATAGS can be a liability quickly.
We need more of MGS & K9 (truck and track mounted) guns than towed guns.
Mounted guns can shoot and scoot faster.
...
Drones can and have hit moving targets like Tanks, APCs, trucks in the Ukraine war

The shoot and scoot capacity is more to escape counter-battery fire from opposing artillery.

But yes, overall the ability to shoot and quickly scoot..or shoot on the move, is better.
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The discussion is going on in circles.
Even if the IA wants lighter artillery below 15T, there are three such variants including ALTGS, Dhanush and Bharat-52.
https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2024/ ... quirement/
There is no scope for any import. Just like missiles, India has achieved complete independent in artillery and artillery guns. Even better is the upcoming ramjet artillery rounds being developed by IIT-M and ADB.These capable of hitting targets at 60km. These rounds can be fired from ATAGS and its lighter variants.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/iit-mad ... 65374.html

Further news on ALTGS
307 ATAGS: The Phoenix rises from Ashes to Artillery Dominance
https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2025/ ... for-glory/

Future Variants in Development
This is just the beginning. The Indian Army plans to procure other variants of ATAGS under the broader Towed Gun System (TGS) program. A lighter version is being developed, and limited-series units for testing are already in production. Additionally, a mounted variant on a BEML 8×8 high-mobility vehicle is undergoing trials. A much larger number of mounted guns will be procured in the future along with 400 TGS guns for which lighter variant of ATAGS and Dhanush 52 will lock horns.

Army’s commitment to Indigenous Systems
The Indian Army has demonstrated its commitment to indigenous systems. When they back a weapon, they refine, support, and induct it. The ATAGS not only provides a tailor-made solution for the Army but also sets a world record with its 48 km range. This range surpasses anything the enemy possesses, giving India a crucial battlefield advantage.
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Panzerhaubitze 2000 vs Lancet Drone: Close Range Clash


Ukraine's artillery pinned down by Russian drones | REUTERS


Drone Footage of Artillery Strike on Norwegian M109A3 Self-Propelled Guns in Ukraine


Russian Lancet drone destroyed Ukrainian self propelled artillery


The shoot and scoot capability is less useful if the gun range is less and have to move closer to the border making it vulnerable for drones to hit it with impunity. The lancet is said to have range of 40km. There are some reports of Lancet range being increased to 70km to hit stationery target like aircraft at airbase situated 70km away. So it's always good to have guns that can fire at longer ranges and reducing the types of drones that can hit it. The closer the artillery has to move, the more vulnerable they are.

Also artillery will remain a major force on the battle field for its ability to decimate targets.
Drone shows artillery pounding devastated Bakhmut


Ukrainian artillery and drones target Russian positions on frontlines


Ukrainians relying on import of artillery guns are forced to use older artillery guns at closer range and rely on jammers to deal with drone threats


So solution is more artillery guns, manufactured inhouse capable of firing at longer distance and also protecting it with anti drone capability.

Disclaimer: Also these being propaganda sites, will push their own views and stories to propagate to their viewers. This will not be giving the complete picture, but we could figure out many aspects of artillery warfare under drone threats.
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Old video explaining the unmatched capabilities of ATAGS
ATAGS - The only artillery that can fire Zone-7 Charge with All-Electric Drive


Pinaka 120 KM : India’s Advanced Multi-Barrel Rocket Launcher
https://alphadefense.in/index.php/2025/ ... e-upgrade/
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The ATAGS order may not seem too big, but if we look at the overall orders placed, the artillery modernization seems to be on track: 307 ATAGS, 114 Dhanush, 180 upgraded M46 (Soltam), 300 upgraded M46 (OFB Sharang), 190 K9 Vajras and 145 M777. That brings the overall number of 155mm howitzers ordered or in service to 1236. This is in addition to the remaining Bofors. Sure, we could do with more ATAGS and K9s, but it's still a far cry from 10 years ago.
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Army Subjected Indigenous Howitzer To 'Absurd Tests' While Still Keeping Door Open For Israel's ATHOS: Military Brass Still After 'Imported Toys'?

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/army-su ... orted-toys
For the winter trials, the gun was taken to Lukrep, in the plateau regions of North Sikkim, not far from the boundary with China.

This location is of strategic importance, as it offers India access to the Tibetan Plateau and allows for the potential to cut off Chinese access to the Chumbi Valley. The trials in such a sensitive area added a level of geopolitical significance to the testing, beyond mere technical performance.

The journey to Lukrep involved covering a distance of 341 kilometres, testing the ATAGS in one of the harshest environments imaginable. North Sikkim's terrain is notoriously difficult, with steep gradients and narrow hairpin bends that make mobility challenging.

Yet, the ATAGS was able to traverse this otherwise inaccessible landscape with ease. Unlike other artillery systems that would need to be unhooked and moved in a self-propelled mode on such rugged terrain—leading to longer travel times—the ATAGS could remain in its towed configuration and continue to move smoothly, reducing the time spent on this critical operation.

In total, the ATAGS covered 526 kilometres through the mountainous and high-altitude terrain of North Sikkim, a stark contrast to the 23 km mobility test conducted for foreign artillery systems as part of the Army’s search for a towed gun system. But the Army remained unconvinced, and complaints about the ATAGS’ weight persisted.
Another concern raised by the Army regarding the ATAGS, besides its weight, was its perceived inability to meet performance benchmarks, particularly in terms of firing rates.

However, when examining its actual performance, the ATAGS has demonstrated impressive capabilities. It can fire five rounds in one minute in burst mode, 10 rounds in 2.5 minutes during intense firing, and sustain 60 rounds per hour.

In contrast, the competition—Elbit’s ATHOS—while meeting the Army's 15-tonne weight limit, can fire only three rounds in 30 seconds in burst mode, 12 rounds in three minutes during intense firing, and maintain 42 rounds per hour in sustained mode.
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For sure the Army cant fight a war on imported toys , if the ukraine war is any lesson at all.

Any war will be a war of attrition, the better your military industrial complex and supply chains are., the better you are positioned to win a war !!

That logic should be enough to stop the import tamasha and brochuritis
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There is an incestual two way relationship between the offices of DGMF/artillery and the Chandigarh lobby. Despite being there for a long time, Kadi Ninda had completely failed to stomp this out.
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i don't see a need for ninda of Kadi Nanda.
He has played it well. did not rush thru with Athos. Kept delaying the imported guns project, till our indigenous efforts matured.
With the technology built by BharatForge, Tata and L&T, it will be difficult for any lobby to push through imported artillery guns now.
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Tanaji wrote: 22 Mar 2025 19:45 There is an incestual two way relationship between the offices of DGMF/artillery and the Chandigarh lobby. Despite being there for a long time, Kadi Ninda had completely failed to stomp this out.
We probably don't the powers behind, but there is seems to international well entrenched ecosystem which has enough leverage to put spanner in the works, look at 98-2004 when NDA 1 took these groups head on they canceled everything in 2004 and the public just nodded the head, the lessons learnt from that time meant, we can only slowly progress, gradually unpealing this ecosystem like an Onion.

George Fernades was completely discredit without a shred of evidence
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Am so relieved after seeing this ATAGS order, Modi ji will make you wait but do the right thing. We armchair posters hardly know the games that the lobbies play. My guess, next to undergo an indigenization catharsis are the tracked and wheeled artillery systems. My request to kalyani and other private players is just keep c'garh lobby in your good books
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You know, two can play the game. If there is an import lobby, then there can also be a domestic lobby.
It is not for no reason that retired military staff are employed in defence companies worldwide.
If you get the babus on your side too, you too, are playing the game. And the advantage is that you can market it as indigenization .

Israel holds a lot of carrots. And has access to US universities. if you know what I mean.
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ashthor wrote: 22 Mar 2025 15:17 Army Subjected Indigenous Howitzer To 'Absurd Tests' While Still Keeping Door Open For Israel's ATHOS: Military Brass Still After 'Imported Toys'?
To deal with the above situation(s) GOI should setup a high level enquiry committee headed by a retired judge to see as to how the senior officers try to game the system and close the loop holes (since this the year of change for the armed forces). Committee should be given 120 days to turn in the report and make the findings publick. Ask the committee to focus on:

- MBT saga; need for Stryker; 155 MM guns
- MRCA boondogle
- Piece meal ordering logic
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The 307 order for ATAGs is the contract that was approved.
It is not the total. More can be ordered once the factory starts production.
Ukraine War has shown the more guns you have the better.
So relax.

Vinodtk, After the cash found with the sitting judge in Delhi living on Tughlaq Road mind you 20 houses from RaGa's house no one trusts the judiciary to give a just verdict.
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New ammo being developed by DRDO. We had seen small references to this type of ammo.
See fine print about Course Correction Fuze (CCF)

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I am flummoxed about the usage of the term bourrelet.

All shells have a bourrelet.
Its in the straight portion of the shell.
The rotating band is at the aft.
I guess ERFB shells have this nubbed feature that probably wears the barrel out.

Note the nubbed feature on ERFB shell.




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So ARDE is redesigning the ERFB shell to have the traditional bourrelet feature in the forward part of the shell.
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ramana wrote: 26 Mar 2025 07:05 The 307 order for ATAGs is the contract that was approved.
It is not the total. More can be ordered once the factory starts production.
Ukraine War has shown the more guns you have the better.
So relax.

In India, it takes too long to place repeat orders. In many cases, the factories sit idle in-between orders.

In the meanwhile, it leaves doors open for imports like Athos.
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Tanaji wrote: 22 Mar 2025 19:45 There is an incestual two way relationship between the offices of DGMF/artillery and the Chandigarh lobby. Despite being there for a long time, Kadi Ninda had completely failed to stomp this out.
I wish it was just the Chandigarh lobby.
Retired directors of Artillery open criticise Indian efforts at Artillery, even citing our gun as not combat proven vs ATHOS.
Funny thing is neither was Bofors combat proven when we purchased it or the Korean Tracked Gun system. Everything is purchased by GSQRs.

His website at https://gunnersshot.com/

We seem to be surrounded on all sides by retired officers who are either secretively working for the important lobby in Chandigarh or Chennai or officers who have been turned into import lovers religiously over many decades. The quality of debate and level confidence is exactly the same in Armoured Corps and Artillery Corps officers when citing Bofors and Athos over Kalyani gun system and T-90 over Arjun.

Sometime I really wish the unthinkable, a war on India to teach us the required lessons, because we certainly are the idiots who are refusing to learn by watching a live war burning a country down since 2022. (Ukraine).
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Khalsa wrote: 26 Mar 2025 14:35 ....
Sometime I really wish the unthinkable, a war on India to teach us the required lessons, because we certainly are the idiots who are refusing to learn by watching a live war burning a country down since 2022. (Ukraine).
Khalsa ji, haven't we gone through at least 4 hot wars?
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