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IMHO, the video embedded in the linked post is from Israel. The terminal maneuveriing and density of hard kill projectiles seen is signature of their iron dome / david's sling.
Similar videos, likely sourced from X, were seen during yesterday's programming by national news media. Unfortunately, there is no label on such clips that these are representational, if that was the intent.
How do you vouch for Authenticity, anyone record something and say this and that. Its Paki propaganda on the level of AA Alam shooting 5 aircraft in 30 seconds.
Assuming it's true, so now we know they can hear us. That's a loss of capability for them. No reason to make it public.
Is making H&D loss for India bigger than revealing operational capability!
Unless it's just hogwash
It is probably Hogwash.
For the Drones it is neither Akash or S400 but L70 Bofors, hammers and Manpads as the IA spokesperson said which doing the Job.
I hope we learn to start controlling these Drones and start taking back to Pakistan that will be fun, more realistically we need to up our jamming and sift kill capabilities.
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Seems like pakis have decided to not take any hints from last night. All those tv fake news were a warning but Munir has no off ramp or he is a toast. It’s going to get nasty soon.
Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
What is the expert opinion on this forum?
On day 1, when Pak claimed to have shot down 5 aircraft, we did not deny, as it would have given Pak the opportunity to do an off ramp and
de-escalate with their H&D intact (Pak public being satisfied that they gave befitting reply etc).
There is no country which, during a war, gives the public a running total of their hardware losses. Only deaths are reported by some countries
- we announced one in Poonch.
Not even the most transparent countries like Israel report hardware losses. The exception was the Falklands war, where British ship losses were reported, because when embedded reporters on one ship, saw another blow up, it was difficult to deny the fact and because Argentina announced them.
Thank you for a meaningful response; I will keep this in mind. Helps educate nobodies like me who have no idea how a war is conducted. There were some on this forum who went ballistic on me as if I was asking for classified information.
My demand (off-ramping a bit ..... maybe... "ask") to admins is to relentlessly remove posts:
- Demand proof for every Indian statement; and,
- Demand negative-proof to disprove every Pakistani imagination.
Let it fly!
pgbhat wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:06
they are needling India to launch air strikes with civ air craft still in airspace. probably running out of their CAPS budget.
India should start destroying their airports. Take out their ATCs and other infrastructure . They already started by targeting Jammu airport. Now its payback time, take out all their ATC towers, radars fuel farms near airport. That itself will set them back by hundreds of millions of dollars and they will not have to hide behind civilian planes.
This drone attack: What is the strategy??
Are they lobbing subK maal to drain our anti aircraft/drone capabilities resources??
And is this a grand plan to bleed our stock with cheapo stuff and then try and hit us with real missiles that they keep naming after all the invaders!!
Drones have been sighted at 26 locations ranging from the Baramulla in the North to Bhuj in the South, along both the Intl Border & LOC with Pakistan. These include suspected armed drones posing potential threats to civilian and military targets, say Defence Officials
Trikaal wrote: ↑09 May 2025 20:20
Looks like we are desperately trying to hand Pakistan an offramp, which they are refusing to take. The entire initiative seems to be sitting with them. They can choose to prolong or end this conflict at the time of their choosing. Hope I am wrong and govt has something up their sleeve. These animals take restraint and maturity as weakness. The only language they understand is one of fear.
This war will go on for a while. India had almost signed the deal with Britain when this started and was getting close to sign the deal with US. This was not good for China and wanted it to be prevented. Now China is just starting the tariff negotiations with USA and this war will be kept on until it's conclusion to prevent India from taking the lead.
Indians will have to make a choice if they want to allow this kind of handle on them for perpetuity or escalate to some serious level. Pakistan will always use threat of nukes to hide behind and support terrorism against India. Until India keeps being deterred this will keep happening and Pak nukes will be a problem for only India. However if India decides to escalate to the point of nuclear exchange, pak nukes will become a problem for the entire world, particularly China as India has a published policy to hit attackers and their backers. It's a battle of wit and India needs to decide.
Anujan wrote: ↑09 May 2025 22:06
IMF approves loans for Pakistan
Big win for Pakistan, big loss for India! Nothing can stop Pakistan armed forces and government of Pakistan from getting loans approved left and right. As long as Pakistan exists, the ideological frontiers of loan approvals are safe. Emboldened by this, I expect Pakistan to apply for many more loans in the future.
Not sure how India can recover from this major setback of 1 billion loan approval at special drawing right + surcharge interest rate for Pakistan.
In a humiliating defeat for India, The IMF executive board has approved $1 billion second loan tranche. India unsuccessfully tried to block the approval by the IMF board
This proportionate response is not working. Citizens in 26+ of our cities are now living in fear. Time to cross the LOC. Take Haji Pir pass or some other strategic area, and block their infiltration routes once and for all. Let them come grovelling to the negotiation table.
Are these drone attacks from pakis actually happening or is this another case of manufactured info? Cities close to the border are following blackout procedures and that much is clear. But none of the verified sources are saying if there is an actual drone/plane attack from pakis happening at this time. Many of the same sources who this time yesterday were painting fantastical pictures of paki destruction are now posting about on-going attacks on India. All the official sources, including city administrations are just urging calm with no other info about these attacks.
Jay wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:24
Are these drone attacks from pakis actually happening or is this another case of manufactured info? Cities close to the border are following blackout procedures and that much is clear. But none of the verified sources are saying if there is an actual drone/plane attack from pakis happening at this time. Many of the same sources who this time yesterday were painting fantastical pictures of paki destruction are now posting about on-going attacks on India. All the official sources, including city administrations are just urging calm with no other info about these attacks.
Today night also paki drones started flying into Indian territory. Just before the beginning of drone attack, a civilian plane was flying south to north in the no fly zone of pakistan. Tv analysts say under the garb of civilian aircraft pakistan are sending drones . Any civilian plane belonging to PIA with out passengers can fly in the no fly zone to deter any action on civilian planes
Ppl are telling only drones are coming to attack but not described the type drones like FPVs, MALEs, HALEs, KAMIKAZE, loitering suicidal drones, surveillance drones and drones to test Indian air defence systems, location, reaction and response by sending swarms of drones to saturate our air defence radars and overload them. This could be a second wave of drone attack. It may be paki tactics deplete air defence weaponry and S-400 and Akash missiles. In the next wave they may send bayraktar TB 2 drones, Chinese drones of various types with laser guided hellfire like missiles which may target our high values assets like dams, airbases, power plants, etc. So what will be our counter in case of a swarming drone attacks followed by J-10 and F-16 attacks from across the border from Sargodha. Any Gurus comment pls?
When terrorists attack, we go after and destroy their source - i.e. training camps & terror outfit HQs.
When drones attack, we will go after their source - from whichever military installation/area level HQ they are coming from or are being remotely guided from.
Yeah the whole approach GoI is taking is quite strange for a major Power with so much capacity to finish the Pakis and their sponsors today. However, I may also be quick to judge. I did not think about the tactic used by India on May 6. I thought they will hit some Paki military target this time. Modi, Doval, Jayshankar and our armed forces generals are not the people who will take the least path of resistance. So it is possible this team will surprise us again in a few days. So let us be patient.
rrao wrote: ↑09 May 2025 23:44
Today night also paki drones started flying into Indian territory. Just before the beginning of drone attack, a civilian plane was flying south to north in the no fly zone of pakistan. Tv analysts say under the garb of civilian aircraft pakistan are sending drones . Any civilian plane belonging to PIA with out passengers can fly in the no fly zone to deter any action on civilian planes
Ppl are telling only drones are coming to attack but not described the type drones like FPVs, MALEs, HALEs, KAMIKAZE, loitering suicidal drones, surveillance drones and drones to test Indian air defence systems, location, reaction and response by sending swarms of drones to saturate our air defence radars and overload them. This could be a second wave of drone attack. It may be paki tactics deplete air defence weaponry and S-400 and Akash missiles. In the next wave they may send bayraktar TB 2 drones, Chinese drones of various types with laser guided hellfire like missiles which may target our high values assets like dams, airbases, power plants, etc. So what will be our counter in case of a swarming drone attacks followed by J-10 and F-16 attacks from across the border from Sargodha. Any Gurus comment pls?
I don't know why wait for them to attack. Can't we locate them and destroy the possibility of a future attack? Didn't we have civilian traffic on May 6th? We need people like Deans Ji to give us some idea.
MMods please delete posts with such BS links. Each time a link is posted it improves the page rank of the page in search engines and also generates a reference.
Modi ji, about time to start a GoFundme page with multiple options:
(1) Rafale
(2) S-400
(3) MRSAM
(4) Drones
(5) Awacs.
(6) Tejas
(7) ATAGS
(8) Pinaka
Rs 1000 per head (rich pay for poor) from the population and you'll have 150,000 Cr in no time to replenish everything and add more capability.
There is another fund for helping families of armed forces personnels. Link - https://ndf.gov.in/en/
Alternatively a bond with a low interest rate for five years to fund the war can also be considered to be collected from public. Most people will be willing to forego some loss in interest and an assured return of capital.
I am annoyed as heck too but fact is drones are just aerial terrorists… and GoI has the thickest hide in the world when it comes to loss of life. Drones are finite compared to madrasa Abdul. As long as low level guns and local maal can take care of them, don’t think a big escalation might be considered. I am not sure how much this civilian drone warfare SOP is in the IA book… may be they are evolving that now ?
Considering Hafiz is in charge I won’t be surprised if he switches to cheap rockets as next escalation level. He has no qualms of using Gaza style tactics making IA caught thinking how to respond to those terror tactics as civilians start complaining.
We can take out all their radars but they can switch to these terror tactics at will. We have to take out their expensive assets before they hide them far behind, inviting us into a trap, even as they carry on these terror tactics paralysing life in NW.
Modi ji, about time to start a GoFundme page with multiple options:
(1) Rafale
(2) S-400
(3) MRSAM
(4) Drones
(5) Awacs.
(6) Tejas
(7) ATAGS
(8) Pinaka
Rs 1000 per head (rich pay for poor) from the population and you'll have 150,000 Cr in no time to replenish everything and add more capability.
There is another fund for helping families of armed forces personnels. Link - https://ndf.gov.in/en/
Alternatively a bond with a low interest rate for five years to fund the war can also be considered to be collected from public. Most people will be willing to forego some loss in interest and an assured return of capital.
Really 3rd or 4th largest economy needs to go down this route. Indian babus in MoD and MoF needs to be taken to task. By keeping our forces impoverished because of applying some desi mentality of cost savings & jugaad to national security initiatives, armed forces preparedness is not going to work in our scenario. In fact that is unintentional collaboration with enemies of this country and its people.
I need to hear from Sitharaman on what is take of MoF on capital expenditure and defense R&D expense.
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S_Madhukar wrote: ↑10 May 2025 00:15
I am annoyed as heck too but fact is drones are just aerial terrorists… and GoI has the thickest hide in the world when it comes to loss of life. Drones are finite compared to madrasa Abdul. As long as low level guns and local maal can take care of them, don’t think a big escalation might be considered. I am not sure how much this civilian drone warfare SOP is in the IA book… may be they are evolving that now ?
Considering Hafiz is in charge I won’t be surprised if he switches to cheap rockets as next escalation level. He has no qualms of using Gaza style tactics making IA caught thinking how to respond to those terror tactics as civilians start complaining.
We can take out all their radars but they can switch to these terror tactics at will. We have to take out their expensive assets before they hide them far behind, inviting us into a trap, even as they carry on these terror tactics paralysing life in NW.
We can change the course by attacking their airports, road infrastructure, military installations etc. That will change the course automatically.
The default is that Pakistan gets the IMF loan. IMF procedures apparently do not take into account the kind of objections India raised. Therefore blocking the loan was a long shot, and not blocking it is not an Indian loss or Pakistan victory.
[Perception] India struck the first blow and not much action thereafter. TOI is blaring "drone attack here and explosion there" amplifying the perceived Indian in-action. It will be great to see more real pain inflicted.
