Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

[Thakur_B]

Was it bcoz of strikes in unconfirmed strikes on Kahuta ?

Methinks this is the case. We had started chaddi utaaro of their nuke facilities.

[S_Madhukar]

We should still have some blockade by Navy and no fly zone over Pakistan

[Thakur_B]

Strange turn of events... Let's see how this goes in the next couple of days. Modi ji and Doval ji are not amateurs.

The opposition can make this a big deal on asking why did India accept when the Indian armed forces were clearly winning?

Absolutely. A decision of questionable benefits.

[nishant.gupta]

Would love to have a Lady Commander from the Indian Navy as well in the next press briefing! Shift from hindi and english to each one telling how they thrashed terroristan.

Not a lady but at least got someone from the Navy in the story as well!

[S_Madhukar]

Countries are not run in Diplomatese… so again Hindus will become cannon fodder … how about US play us $10B every time we have a terror attack ?

[Ashokk]

When we have to take them on again in a few years (months??), you can be sure that they will be better prepared. The govt will only have itself to thank for this "Chanakyian" move. Prithiviraj syndrome strikes again

[Dilbu]

I see some of us are concerned about restarting the dialogue with TSP. It was made clear that there will be no resumption of 'talks' with TSP under this ceasefire. We are stopping the a$$ whipping for now. That's it. We are not giving them anything.

BRF will never be happy with the amount of damage we were able to cause and the price we should have extracted. But considering the damage we did in the short period of activity, the change in overall dynamics and the full scale escalation we were on the brink of, I am personally happy about this. We are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much to swat the TSP fly. Don't want to hand over any advantage to China. Right now we are stopping at a well balanced point. IMO, JMT etc onlee.

[arshyam]

I think this ceasefire was expected by GoI at some point. Our objective was to inflict a strong and sustained punishment without getting dragged into a war and putting at risk our role in the China+1 supply chain realignment (which China would have loved).

Our position from the beginning was clear and consistent - we first retaliated against terrorist targets and emphasized that in our first announcement (no military targets were engaged). Subsequently, since the paki military retaliated, we responded, proportionally, and again emphasized that proportionality in the subsequent briefings. We kept control of the narrative and the escalation ladder so this proportionality was maintained officially, while pounding them at unexpected locations and causing more damages than they ever anticipated. And we kept going while keeping the messaging tight.

Finally, the pakis had enough and requested a ceasefire, which we obliged to since that's what we were saying since the beginning.

But the difference now is the new level of deterrence and punishment that we've established, so many of these kinetic options will be on the table in the future. And the IWT stays annulled.

All in all, I think our objectives were achieved.

[Cyrano]

Strange turn of events... Let's see how this goes in the next couple of days. Modi ji and Doval ji are not amateurs.

The opposition can make this a big deal on asking why did India accept when the Indian armed forces were clearly winning?

Why only opposition? Even allies and over a billion Indians will make this coitus interruptus a big deal.

[Srikanth P]

Donald trump has negotiated a ceasefire?

[Deans]

Strange turn of events... Let's see how this goes in the next couple of days. Modi ji and Doval ji are not amateurs.

The opposition can make this a big deal on asking why did India accept when the Indian armed forces were clearly winning?

I assume the Oppn. was briefed in advance.
Our position has always been that we retaliated against terrorist infrastructure (and IWT which is the really big one). We succeeded in that.
Any retaliation from Pak will be met with proportionate action from our side, which we did.
We did not have the mandate to start an all out war.
The win was Op Sindoor day 1 succeeded and on day 2 & 3, we got the better of the exchanges.

[ricky_v]

the issue with talks about moving supply chain, n+1, china ityadi is that this can change in an instant with the next terror act, at the opportune time for china, a terror act will be attempted and then we are back at square one, will we go all the way then or stop again based on promises, compromises and forecast for the future

if chini pakis play this right, can be a whack a mole scenario

[Manish_P]

We should use this opportunity to order large number of kamikaze drones. Our next salvo should begin with hundreds, if not thousands of drones targeted towards Pak power grid and POL supplies. We now know that Pak AD is absolute shit. Flood their airspace and it will get overwhelmed immediately.

+1

And counter drone systems (Active AAD and Passive kill)

And Artillery (i really hope Baba Kalyani and Co are not kept hanging again)

And Rockets, and Missiles, ...

[vinod]

I think ceasefire was inevitable. I would have loved few more days of pounding them. Now, since Pakistan has been wounded, the BLA and others should go for the kill. The final collapse of the Pakistan should be now the phase 2 of this.

[Ashokk]

When next time our countrymen are singled out and shot because of their religion, we can tell the survivors why we did not finish the job this time as "we are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much" and how "we kept control of the narrative and maintained proportionality".

[Dilbu]

This is a proper W anyway we look at it. We showed we will react disproportionately to their misadventures including taking out terror motherlode like Muridke and Bahawalpur.
We showed we can play with their air defence like a fiddle.
We showed Pindi can be hit if needed.
We showed none of their deep air bases are beyond reach and we demonstrated the intent to hit wherever in Pak we want.
We had the last bout.

Pak has to reassess everything from its tactics to strategy to its defence assets.
They never saw this coming.

We can go back to normalcy with heightened vigil and focus on how to increase our iPhone production rates.
https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1921190782364791030

[Luxtor]

Donald trump has negotiated a ceasefire?

Yes! .....and he also wants to be the pope.

[Shivaji]

I see some of us are concerned about restarting the dialogue with TSP. It was made clear that there will be no resumption of 'talks' with TSP under this ceasefire. We are stopping the a$$ whipping for now. That's it. We are not giving them anything.

BRF will never be happy with the amount of damage we were able to cause and the price we should have extracted. But considering the damage we did in the short period of activity, the change in overall dynamics and the full scale escalation we were on the brink of, I am personally happy about this. We are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much to swat the TSP fly. Don't want to hand over any advantage to China. Right now we are stopping at a well balanced point. IMO, JMT etc onlee.

Precisely. This is the best outcome as any further extension of hostilities with armour, navy and air force would have sucked us into the spiral. There was no point to be Russia of the east with Pakis propped by others like Ukraine. Even after 1971 debacle, Pakis were in their trouble making mode in less than a decade.

Visible punishment was delivered without significant loss of men and material from stand-off weapons. World has seen our capabilities. Trump's ego has been massaged and now onto trade discussion with USA.

IWT is annulled. Pakis are in turmoil and will soon knives will be drawn with Sharif, army, air force, Imran Khan, Baloch in the mix, it will be occupied for next few years at least. Economy in doldrums and they will spend significant to recover from damage done and it will cost fortune to plug the gaps. Kashmiri had started being normal and now with their akas visibly beaten, we would be in great shape.

[vimal]

Summary

International media still running with Paki side of story.
History has been written as this been a stalemate.
Hindu Baniya was afraid of the superior ideology.
For Pakistan survival is a win.
Pakistan wins.
India has again ceded all initiative back to Pak.
Pak choose the time and day of their next misadventure.
Next time they will be well prepared get ready to spend billions what could have been solved in millions.

[ricky_v]

^ feels like i will keep on harping about this, but cannot help but notice that all is well and sundry only till the next terror act, remember, the next terror act is an automatic declaration of war (so is said), so really feel talks about production should be attached with a caveat, an asterix, in an odd way, we have hung this millstone around our necks, till the next terror act is the key to all future planning, alliances, posturing and other discussions

[Cyrano]

The right move would have been to destroy Pak army and assets, de militarize , de nuke, and help a civilian govt get firm control over the country and put them on a path of deradicalisation under our supervision. That's how you become vishwa guru. We haven't learnt much from the colonial experience about how the big game is played.

[Trikaal]

Mullah Munir will be hanging from a pole within 3 months of this humiliation, or follow the honorable paki strategy of running away to a friendly country.

[Shivaji]

Nur Khan, Rahamiyar Khan, Rafiqui, Murid, Sialkot, Sargodha, Shahbaz, Bholari pounded in a single day. Only skardu seems to have missed out from the party. All pounding caught on camera. First time a nuclear power has been humiliated completely in a single day. Our boys were just getting started. Shame.

Col Qureshi mentioned that Skardu was also attacked in the briefing.

[Luxtor]

I think ceasefire was inevitable. I would have loved few more days of pounding them. Now, since Pakistan has been wounded, the BLA and others should go for the kill. The final collapse of the Pakistan should be now the phase 2 of this.

When dictators lose external wars they will turn inward and start massacaring their internal enemies, like what Sadaam Hussein did after he lost the gulf war. I'm really afraid for the Baluchis now. All the puki anger and frustration will be taken out on the Baluchis now.

[rajpa]

2 weeks in 71. 3 days in 2025.

[Dilbu]

When next time our countrymen are singled out and shot because of their religion, we can tell the survivors why we did not finish the job this time as "we are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much" and how "we kept control of the narrative and maintained proportionality".

Yes that is one way to look at it. Another way is to think what we will tell the countrymen when we get pulled into a mini Ukraine situation with protracted daily skirmishes, loss of life, disruption to our business and normal life. TSP will be kept on life support by 3.5 friends.

I completely agree with you and your sentiments Sir. But this ceasefire had to be done. It is better to do it today than 100 days later.

[Zynda]

What after ceasefire? I believe Indian military & Pak military officers are meeting on May 12 for talks. I hope we make severe demands such as handing over Hafiz Saeed among others. I have little confidence on TSP giving up their doctrine of bleeding India by a thousand cuts which means no stopping of cultivating terrorists. I read that GoI has a new doctrine of treating any terrorist attack as an act of war. Does the definition of terrorist attack means an attack on civilians with the casualties exceeding a certain number or any attack on Indian armed forces will also be treated as Act of War? What if the attack results in destruction of property/vehicles and only injuries? I hope the GoI thinks carefully on the above (I am sure they would have)...Although I am disappointed with ceasefire (we should have taken out more of TSP's high value military assets)...I agree it was coming. I hope in the ensuing talks we can dictate the terms to our advantage...including limiting the number & type of weapons that TSP will induct (highly doubt this condition is enforceable)...next objective is to go after (diplomatically, economically and other ways) against Turkey & other countries which "stood by" TSP.

[S_Madhukar]

Terrible news conferences from MEA as well. As a citizen do I have to read some paper written by policy analyst to know what happened while my house was smashed by a drone? Utter lack of sensitivity.

[ramana]

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
@Iyervval
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Confirmation from the highest sources
• India has agreed to the ceasefire given that the final strikes were Indian ones on Pak airbases
• this followed a call from the Pak DGMO at 3.30pm today to his counterpart saying Pakistan would not undertake any more strikes and specifically requesting a ceasefire
• US duress of withholding IMF loans was specific - The 1 billion provisional release linked to immediate acceptance & balance subject to compliance
• the Indus water treaty suspension remains unaffected. No information will be shared with Pakistan and India will commence water projects on the 3 northern rivers
• US has accepted India’s change of war doctrine. Any further terror attack will be accepted as an act of war

[Ashokk]

Terrible news conferences from MEA as well. As a citizen do I have to read some paper written by policy analyst to know what happened while my house was smashed by a drone? Utter lack of sensitivity.

Can someone please explain how we are managing to control the narrative by not releasing any information on paf aircraft which were shot down? While it seems fine to talk about the missiles.

[putnanja]

From Najam Sethi, pakis tried to beg for a face-saving "act"...

https://x.com/pakistan_untold/status/19 ... 6612414948

In the press breifing by MoD, it was also mentioned that pakis command and control areas and posts all along LoC were targetting killing several personnel

https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1921192279785754850

[vimal]

A quick browse of western media seems Pakistan won the narrative war. The Rafale story is now part of history.
This is Kargil BVR moment all over again.
Pak will upgrade their AD with that IMF money.
Another attack in a few months.
Rinse repeat.

[Shaktimaan]

Pakistani social media is awash with claims of their own victory after the ceasefire. They seem unaware that so many of their airbases were hit today. Ironically this perception can strengthen their military rather than weaken it.

[S_Madhukar]

How is Vishwaguru going to fight Chicoms in future with this media strategy … that will be easy, barely anyone in Himalayas

[Cyrano]

[A_Gupta]

This is a ceasefire in a battle. The war continues.

The urgency with which India needs to build up technology, defense manufacturing and armed forces fire power should not be lost.
Civil defense exercises need to be held regularly. More civilian bunkers along the LoC, IB must be built with urgency. Just like the 15 kilometers of road a day or xyz kilometers of railway, faster than that. If the ceasefire is welcomed for economic reasons then economic growth has to be converted disproportionately into growth of military power.

[vimal]

Pakistani social media is awash with claims of their own victory after the ceasefire. They seem unaware that so many of their airbases were hit today. Ironically this perception can strengthen their military rather than weaken it.

Exactly as expected. With no visible losses their army all this was for nothing.
Western press still running with Paki propaganda pieces. History being written.
Pakistan is still attacking across LoC and IB. Hopefully this gives our military a few more days to attack but they will be obedient to Vishwaguru leader.

[S_Madhukar]

This is a ceasefire in a battle. The war continues.

The urgency with which India needs to build up technology, defense manufacturing and armed forces fire power should not be lost.
Civil defense exercises need to be held regularly. More civilian bunkers along the LoC, IB must be built with urgency. Just like the 15 kilometers of road a day or xyz kilometers of railway, faster than that. If the ceasefire is welcomed for economic reasons then economic growth has to be converted disproportionately into growth of military power.

How will that happen unless GoI clearly articulated what we really did ? Next President after Trump won’t recognise this change in policy. Never knew there was a President above Pres Murmu

[nash]

Earlier we used to have ceasefire of cross-border firing, this is certainly different and may be resumed if there are any more terrorist attack.
No doubt about US involvement to get this break and IMO the reason would be : they might need pork in workable condition for their persian adventure.

[vimal]

^^ It’s already lost.
Pakis run a very sophisticated media campaign that they learned from their Amriki masters.
Videos of civilian Pakistanis shooting down Indian drones already circulating amongst other things.
With no visible losses their morale is high and expect a repeat soon.