Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

[vijayk]

India’s strike on Rawalpindi’s Noor Khan airbase was Pakistan’s biggest nightmare coming true. India’s warning was that it had the full capability to decapitate Pakistan’s nuclear command authority.

From the New York Times:

[Cain Marko]

So what happened after cease fire violation? Are we back to wiping out bases or new ceasefire?

Currently it seems like we did some retaliation with a few drone and missile strikes but will not take it much further.

I think daylight will result in more de escalation measures being implemented.

Good enough....

[Anujan]

Let's entertain the theory that they sold Americans some fabricated Intel. What could it be ? Nukes falling into the hands of Taliban or isis etc ? What could they have threatened with .

My theory is that all of their drones were ineffective. So were barber mijjiles and all the south africa rockets They have (which by the way didnt work during operation swift retreat either). Then they tried out Nasr, HsniMbrk, AnwrSdt ityadi mijjiles, that didnt work either. Then they went for rockets like Fatah 1, tried to score a hit in dilli for H&D purposes and that was intercepted over hariyana ("high speed missile" in MEA briefing). All the while there is evidence that India struck using air launched Brahmos (one photo shows the discarded booster) repeatedly on airbases.

Pakis in their tactical brilliance would have hit upon Iran-style ~100 ballistic missile strikes idea which was probably the "dangeous development" massa talked about. 100BM going up in their air and India would have interpreted as bum and retaliated accordingly. This was the danger. Ofcourse this is from a Chair Marshall whose last raid was on the household fridge so take it with a bucket of salt.

Chota Badmash calling a "NCA meeting" does not fool anyone. His constitutionally manadated role is to bring Tea and Biscuits to Munir so Chota Badmash calling meetings doesnt mean anything.

[chetak]

This was yesterday

basically, the BEGGARS have SURRENDERED.

Pakistan's DGMO called Indian DGMO at 15:35 hours earlier this afternoon.

It was agreed b/w them that both sides would stop all firing & military action on land and in the air and sea with effect from 1700 hours IST today.

DGMOs will talk again on 12th of May at 1200 hrs"

WATCH VIDEO

[Amber G.]

India’s strike on Rawalpindi’s Noor Khan airbase was Pakistan’s biggest nightmare coming true. India’s warning was that it had the full capability to decapitate Pakistan’s nuclear command authority.
Quote from NY Times article..

The story is here

FWIW - some background (all well known - I am carefully putting it for public here)

Possibility of a sudden, targeted strike that could disable its its NCA (National Command Authority), thereby compromising its control over nuclear weapons would make any body *very* serious.

The NCA is the apex body responsible for the command, control, and operational decisions regarding Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It encompasses the Prime Minister (as Chairman - may be chaprasi now), military chiefs, and intelligence ( heads, ensuring that nuclear assets are managed with stringent oversight. A decapitation strike targeting the NCA could be interpreted as a direct threat to the nation's strategic deterrent.

NCA (or its key facilities) happens to be at the Nur Khan Airbase near Islamabad .. I have seen video/pictures of this airbase in damage is really BIG..we will kniw more details later..

[chetak]

The scary news I heard is that they needed ceasefire for 3 hours and they played upon US by leaking wrong intelligence. JD Vance called Modi and pushed ceasefire.

Now the worry is in these 3 hours, China/Turkey transferred some weapons

here is the truth. vijayk ji. be cautious and mindful about posting rumours


basically, the BEGGARS have SURRENDERED.

Pakistan's DGMO called Indian DGMO at 15:35 hours earlier this afternoon.

It was agreed b/w them that both sides would stop all firing & military action on land and in the air and sea with effect from 1700 hours IST today.

DGMOs will talk again on 12th of May at 1200 hrs"

WATCH VIDEO

[Amber G.]

Why the hell isn't Pakistan listed as a State Sponsor of Terrorism ?

Leaders of Pakistan admits their "tactical brilliance" in carrying out terrorist attacks in India!!

India and US ought to do it right away.

If you missed it....Pakistan just confessed!

"Pulwama was tactical brilliance. Now we've shown operational progress"

That's Pakistan Army admitting Pulwama wasn't the doing of faceless terrorists. It was state-backed

Every time they glorify terror as a 'tactical op', they expose themselves

[RCase]

I think this cessation of firing is a feint. Modiji probably knows the itch that the Pak Fauj has to take revenge. Since it is not a cease fire, India probably will let the Pakis keep firing and expending their ammo. The ADS probably can take care of these pesky drones and the occasional missile. The air bases have been hit and degraded to some extent. It is probably a sucker punch and using the Paki aggression as an excuse, India unleashes the full fury, India knows Pak's air defence is not credible. The nooclear hoopla has been called out.

May be it is a fixed match between Trump and Modiji. The agreement of cessation was too quick, especially with no haggling. Trump looks good as he is a deal maker trying for peace and Modiji is also not about war, but was compelled.

[rkirankr]

Why foreign media keep harpic g on J10 bringing down Rafale,when no one has given any proof

[chetak]

India’s strike on Rawalpindi’s Noor Khan airbase was Pakistan’s biggest nightmare coming true.

India’s warning was that it had the full capability to decapitate Pakistan’s nuclear command authority.

From the New York Times:

[A_Gupta]

Is the Pakistani military so dominated by the Army that its grasp of air and naval power is poor?

Is it that the "all of their drones were ineffective. So were barber mijjiles and all the south africa rockets They have (which by the way didnt work during operation swift retreat either). Then they tried out Nasr, HsniMbrk, AnwrSdt ityadi mijjiles, that didnt work either. Then they went for rockets like Fatah 1" - because the equipment was of inadequate quality, or is it that they are not properly integrated into an overall operational system? i.e., the same weapons in the hands of our Indian experts would perform much better?

[A_Gupta]

Why foreign media keep harpic g on J10 bringing down Rafale,when no one has given any proof

The "foreign media" is of the countries of the North Atlantic, and they are in a pissing contest about who has the best fighter aircraft.

[KL Dubey]

basically, the BEGGARS have SURRENDERED.

Pakistan's DGMO called Indian DGMO at 15:35 hours earlier this afternoon.

It was agreed b/w them that both sides would stop all firing & military action on land and in the air and sea with effect from 1700 hours IST today.

DGMOs will talk again on 12th of May at 1200 hrs"

YES, this appears to be the truth. The Pak DGMO Abdullah called Bharat DGMO Lt Gen Ghai asking for a halt. By that time Abdullah was likely not in a condition to find his own rear end with his own two hands. He also referenced a phone call he got from Rubio (i.e. attempting to bolster his desperate request).

The version peddled by some news outlets is that Vance had "intelligence of Pak escalation plans fearing Indian strike on nukular assets" and convinced Modi to de-escalate. This appears a fake explanation.

A common thread between the two versions is that Bharat showed its willingness and capability to decapitate Pak's major defense systems including nukular delivery systems, by striking the Nur Khan base and related locations. This has put the fear of jahannum-e-suari in the Paks.

While the US may have been trying to do some "busy work" phone calls from the other side of the world, I doubt their efforts swayed Bharat's decision. However, they may have influenced the Paks to throw in the towel faster.

[chetak]

I think this cessation of firing is a feint. Modiji probably knows the itch that the Pak Fauj has to take revenge. Since it is not a cease fire, India probably will let the Pakis keep firing and expending their ammo. The ADS probably can take care of these pesky drones and the occasional missile. The air bases have been hit and degraded to some extent. It is probably a sucker punch and using the Paki aggression as an excuse, India unleashes the full fury, India knows Pak's air defence is not credible. The nooclear hoopla has been called out.

May be it is a fixed match between Trump and Modiji. The agreement of cessation was too quick, especially with no haggling. Trump looks good as he is a deal maker trying for peace and Modiji is also not about war, but was compelled.

RCase ji,


Respective positions, concerns, and options will be reviewed on the 12th of May at 1200 hrs


until then, India is watchful, locked and loaded, finger on the trigger.


Our DGMO will talk operations and allied matters, but the paki punk will come fully briefed politically by his rogue jernail pals, all trying to cover and safeguard their exposed rear ends.

IWT and all other sanctions by India are completely OFF THE TABLE.

[chanakyaa]

The way things currently look based on Flightradar, the commercial flights have resumed operations over NaPaki skies (NOTAM lifted??), but absolutely no flights over the western (near border) areas of Bharat (i.e., status quo). Will believe the "stoppage of firing and military action..." to turn into official "de-escalation/ceasefire" after resumption of commercial traffic. May be it happens on or after the 12th?

[tandav]

Propoganda on great Pakistani Victory is starting.

https://www.youtube.com/live/i95-xHPQi4 ... qs_YqcSV-P

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pakistani-pr ... 1572.html?

[KL Dubey]

Somewhat ad-infested report from TOI, but it has quite a few details:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 068548.cms

[KL Dubey]

Propoganda on great Pakistani Victory is starting.

....

Why post Pak news channels here ?

[Vayutuvan]

Did we know how good our Air Defense systems were and how they will function in a networked environment? Did we know how bad Pakistan's Air Defense network would be?

That is non static is it? Maybe next time around there is a turn around or the other two combinations and in between. I am happy with what transpired but we need to build on this. Keep advancing in defense tech faster than pakis and try to kneecap them at every opportunity. One main goal, if it can be achieved, is to somehow cut China off from Pakistan. It should be the priority. That will deny China access to Gulf and Arabian sea and further south all the way to Indian ocean. Malacca straights can be handled through Quad.

[chetak]

[chetak]

[bkswarti]

Propoganda on great Pakistani Victory is starting.

https://www.youtube.com/live/i95-xHPQi4 ... qs_YqcSV-P

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pakistani-pr ... 1572.html?

Koi airbase operational nahi hain tabhi ceasefire maanga aur bataa rahe hai ki victory hai.

I think India should have requested more for the ceasefire.

[Dasari]

The reason Pakistan begged for ceasefire, explained very clearly by the indomitable Shiv Aroor. Everything else we hear is salad dressing.

https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1921211570207568084?s=46

[Jay]

Propoganda on great Pakistani Victory is starting.

Let's use some common sense while posting enemy propaganda as in DON'T.

[konaseema]

Here is another perspective on the stoppage of fire.

https://www.youtube.com/live/4Bt1AI4Y-O ... lXRtIYOSLM

[williams]

The reason Pakistan begged for ceasefire, explained very clearly by the indomitable Shiv Aroor. Everything else we hear is salad dressing.

https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1921211570207568084?s=46

Yeah Indian strikes were aimed at Pakis crying uncle at some point. India never aimed for some of the jingo stuff we all want. The GoI approach may not be glamorous, but they believe it will produce results, in combination with other diplomatic and covert pressure applied on Pakistan. I also noticed that India is not reacting knee-jerkily in the fog of war. They always recalibrate and then take their time to respond. Pakis on the other hand is doing a lot of knee jerk reaction. If you all think about chess, we all observe who controls the game. India has been controlling the game since the aftermath of the attack. So even though this stoping/pausing of military action and the subsequent breaking of such a promise of Pakis seems like a surprise for us, it is no surprise for India's overall strategy. We just need to wait for India's next move.

[krithivas]

More 2c's:
= Thank god! PM Modi has not given any speech on this de-escalation as doing so would have made it look equal-equal.
= For Pakistan, Living another day is victory and gaining a loan-grant is strategic victory.
= We need to phrase this brief war as Indo-China conflict as Pakistan happens to be a proxy/prostitute.
= China is the biggest loser as its "ding-dong" fell like a damp squib; They are going to lose their Baluchistan investment to USA when the maps are redrawn.

[chetak]

[a_bharat]

I would have been perfectly happy with just the IWT suspension, if the government speedily worked on water diversion and storage projects. Taking out the terrorist bases as part of Op Sindoor is a bonus. But, after seeing the weakness of paki air defences and our ability to strike anywhere in pak , at will, it is difficult to understand why GoI de-escalated so quickly. This was a great opportunity to inflict a lot more damage with relatively minor losses on our side. I am not in favour of a prolonged war, but another 4-5 days of areal strikes on all important assets of pak was what I was hoping for. We could have de-escalated then. If GoI thought this could be risky, we should not even have started Op Sindoor -- IWT suspension is a good enough tool to take care of the pakis.

[bhavani]

Why foreign media keep harpic g on J10 bringing down Rafale,when no one has given any proof

CNN and others are just selling CHina as a threat through this news. It is basically pushing for more defense dollars for US and other western powers. The west does not care if India or Pakistan lives or dies. They see everything through their lens and their biases.

[Amber G.]

During Samvidhan bachao rally, Congress chief Mallikarjun Kharge says, "

There is intelligence failure, govt has accepted it and they will resolve it. If they knew this, why didn't they do anything?...I got information that 3 days before the attack, an intelligence report was sent to PM Modi and therefore he cancelled his programme to visit Kashmir,(wasn't he in Saudi Arabia I also read this in a newspaper..

."
Very dangerous and disgusting ..

[rajpa]

Indian DGMO should have insisted that caleasefire request should come from the Paki PM on national television. Instead of his nonsense speech we would have seen the truth openly.

Next time ensure no backroom discussions. Transparency onlee please. With a firm squeeze to the crown jewels.

[rajpa]

Pakis are extremely good at using information asymmetry (lies). We never learn.

[sanjaykumar]

Well the way I see it India ne mar mar ke Pakistan ke sare sin door kar dete.

[Deans]

The rona dhona in here is so typical. The govt. had a very specific objective and they never wavered from that. It is not the govts. fault if some of you started day dreaming about IA tanks in Lahore and IN bombing Karachi port.

Only critical question, in my opinion, is if we took unnecessary risks in phase 1 for our pilots by not first degrading their defensive capabilities. After phase 1, the govts. objective was very clear -- not escalate but keep making it incrementally worse till Pakistan gives up (while still giving them some face saving off ramp).

It's not that we took unnecessary risks on day 1, War, by definition is risky.
Both sides knew we were going to respond militarily to a major terrorist attack.
We would have formulated several plans for the political leadership. Each with different expected impacts and risks.

For e.g. in Op Sindoor the govt would have been told, we expect to hit 7 of 9 targets and lose 3 aircraft, though the ideal result is 9 and 0.
The govt would have approved the plan considering the likely risk and reward.
Pak, wargaming the same situation would have told their leadership that they expect to India to lose 6 aircraft and hit 6 targets.
Their counter plan would also be approved on that basis.
The reality would be somewhere in the middle.
The larger point from day 1 was that we took down all targets, the possible loss was within acceptable limits and we showed the world we are
ready to accept those losses for this kind of op.

[ashthor]

Western media and defense analysts would be posting satellite maps by now if Indian airfields had got hit. But now their poodle has
got hit all are busy covering their musharraf.

[LakshmanPST]

Reason why this Ceasefire narrative is not going down well with many in India public--->
1) Many feel damage should have been much more on Pak side...
2) Pakis are going around declaring it as some sort of victory while Indians are very silent about it...
3) There seems to be no regret on Pak side for carrying out terror attack... Atleast not in their public statements...
4) Paki's H&D was not damaged enough... Their media management in international media seems to have done its job well...
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If not complete destruction of Pak, Indian public wanted visible regret from Pak side... That seems to be missing for now...
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The hope in tomorrow's meeting, we impose the following conditions as a minimum to indefinitely extend the ceasefire--->
1) Statement from Pak that they'll not sponsor any terrorist activities in future...
2) Handing over of some big terrorist heads to India...
3) Dismantling of complete terror infra in Pak...

Otherwise, all this attack and build-up would have been for nothing...
We aleady "sent a message" to Pak back in 2019 and Pakis did a major terror attack again within 6 years... We even called their nuclear bluff back then...
So, this time we should be doing much more than merely sending a message...

[bala]

Stopping of firing and stopping military actions, not ceasefire agreement say the Generals of India.. and even Foreign Secretary said the same..

YT in PGurus

youtube.com/watch?v=8-2Y-cGaWNk

The briefings to press/public was done by MEA and not someone in Military Operations. They had spokesperson from Army/Airforce.

[KL Dubey]

I recommend watching this detailed discussion. Instead of starting from preconceived assumptions, they analyze the objectives, actions, accomplishments, and what might be next.

https://www.youtube.com/live/0Ojsi3NboU ... e8Ph64HB-n

[Deans]

What we missed?
1. Given Pakis are AD nude we could have taken out KH, may be taken over GB.
2. Destroyed Paki ports
3. Provided little bit more time and support for the Baluchis to go independent.
4. Chance to denuke the Pakis --??? I dont know if this would work
5. Taken out Paki generals and made that as a precedent in the future.
6. Could have destroyed some more Paki armed forces' assets

Williams ji, while I agree with what we achieved, I have a different view on what we missed.

1. Is just not possible, given the deployment of forces on the LOC. We have 20 brigades (some understrength) Pak has 15. Both sides have
decades to prepare defences.

2. We have more ports and more infra on the coast. One missile hitting the Jamnagar refinery and the country will panic.

3. The Baluchis, with all due respect to them, have been a let down. They should have killed 300 army men during the train hijack for e.g.
Their loss ratios are not good enough - they are losing too many fighters. Its best for us if its an endless struggle with the PA, where
the Pak state slowly bleeds and Baluchistan is ungovernable.

4. De-nuke is not going to happen.

5 & 6 Yes, I would have liked to see Brahmos hitting ISI HQ.

I would also have liked to see a Pinaka strike on Muzaffarabad and 10 villages obliterated by our heavy arty.