Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 12 May 2025 07:28

The more I read about 9th and 10th, the more I feel that TSP was brought down by our Akashteer systems single handedly. No one else interfered.

Happy to have named my second born Akash

My wife surely knew something 6 years back which I didnt.

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 May 2025 07:39

"Wahan se goli chalegi, toh yahan se gola chalega" - Namo Doctrine!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 May 2025 07:41

^ Both Akash (AD system) & Akashteer. Your son is doubly blessed !

asbchakri · Post by **asbchakri** » 12 May 2025 07:42

https://indiandefenseanalysis.wordpress ... -pakistan/

Just read about this system, very impressive.

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 12 May 2025 07:44

SSridhar wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:41 ^ Both Akash (AD system) & Akashteer. Your son is doubly blessed !

We all surely are

birjur · Post by **birjur** » 12 May 2025 07:58

Did India succeed to such a great extent it had no idea how to push further ?

This was supposed to be 12 terror camps destroyed. It ended with their main airbases bombed, air defenses neutralized and their nuclear deterrent in the rubbish bin….

I’m hearing reports of Jaguars, yes 40 year old Jaguars having completing successful strike missions near the end…

D_Prem · Post by **D_Prem** » 12 May 2025 08:08

Armed forces did exceedingly well! Congrats!

What I am a little worried about is Pak returning back to the drawing board, licks their wounds and bolsters its defences, invests in hypersonic missiles. We have the upper hand now and they have realized our offence is too precise and defense almost impregnable. Should we not go for the jugular now? Giving them time will just allows these ******** to get better and sting us later.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 May 2025 08:18

D_Prem wrote: ↑12 May 2025 08:08 invests in hypersonic missiles.

With "disney dollars"? You see sir, they are broke.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 12 May 2025 08:21

China is not. They will be happy to provide some green paint and other systems in exchange for more gubo

D_Prem · Post by **D_Prem** » 12 May 2025 08:22

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑12 May 2025 08:18
D_Prem wrote: ↑12 May 2025 08:08 invests in hypersonic missiles.
With "disney dollars"? You see sir, they are broke.

Sure but this is a rogue nation. Never put their craziness past them.

They ran an international racquet to become a nuclear nation. They'll sell their moms out of hatred of us to get hands on next gen tech.

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 12 May 2025 08:24

^^^ and how much time to go back to the drawing board and come out with some results? They dont have any R&D of their own. Whatever they get is from China whose equipment was literally brushed aside. Hypothetically, if a nanga bhikari starts a fight with you and you bash him up, you shouldnt start shivering thinking that the same nanga bhikari who is now bashed up also will go back, get well equipped, become a superman and come back to beat you.

Edit add: Why are you scared AFTER having thrashed them?

D_Prem · Post by **D_Prem** » 12 May 2025 08:29

Nanga bikhari who has nothing to loose and is clinically insane will do whatever to hurt you. Its actually a suicide bomber masquerading as a banana republic. Clinically insane in hatred of the kuffar and dysfunctional.

Mark my words its only a matter of time before these mentally diseased inbred ******** Arabs come back with a solution to our air defense.

TLDR; we gotta stay ahead of the technology curve. Thats the undoing of these insane Mullahs in the long run.

Luxtor · Post by **Luxtor** » 12 May 2025 08:34

D_Prem wrote: ↑12 May 2025 08:08 Armed forces did exceedingly well! Congrats!

What I am a little worried about is Pak returning back to the drawing board, licks their wounds and bolsters its defences, invests in hypersonic missiles. We have the upper hand now and they have realized our offence is too precise and defense almost impregnable. Should we not go for the jugular now? Giving them time will just allows these ******** to get better and sting us later.

We never miss an opportunity to go for the puki jugular.

1947 with Kashmir - Nehru, instead of taking back, at the time a nacent PoK, which we could've easily, he ran to UN.

1965 - could've done something much better than accepting a stalemate.

1971 - Utter defeat of pukis. Instead of finishing them off, a ceasefire was called by IG.

Mid to late 1970s - Pukis were engaged in eating grass and developing their nooks. India could've taken out their nook facilities Israel style on Iraq, but we missed a golden opportunity there.

No matter how well we perform in battles and wars, that victory is short-lived if you let the enemy off to live and fight another day.

That's basically our history and psyche. Don't know if it can ever be changed.

D_Prem · Post by **D_Prem** » 12 May 2025 08:39

"No matter how well we perform in battles and wars, that victory is short-lived if you let the enemy off to live and fight another day."

This. We need to finish them off when we can. We have exposed them and can knock them out forever.

We now know they are incapable of defense and cannot breach our defense - aka their offense sucks. Need to act with deceit here. Lure them into false sense of security and peace. In the middle prep for an all-out decapitation strike. Reverse al-taqqiya on them. Risky but huge ROI.

Then one fell swoop decapitate their leadership, command and control, missile sites, storage facilities and conventional war fighting abilities when they least expect it.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 12 May 2025 08:41

The paki story is one that's best resolved from within. India cannot be an occupying force , there are just a lot of reasons, we can help "facilitate " that transition.

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 May 2025 08:47

This is just a starting point to get some moral ascendency. The real work starts now. We need to keep up the pressure on IWT and hit them whenever we see terrorists. Keep feeding BLA, TTP etc until the country splinters. Take GB and leave the rest into small fiefdoms that can fend for themselves and not disturb us.

Luxtor · Post by **Luxtor** » 12 May 2025 08:53

^^^
No, no, we don't want to occupy pukiland, we just want to turn them into an even bigger cesspool. Cesspools tend not to attack you, they only stink.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 12 May 2025 08:57

d_prem . i get your sentiment. historically we've made the mistake of forgiveness with islamic invaders (like ghouri was let go 16 times after he was defeated). however the layer of complexity in modern warfare is infinitely more. India is a sci/tech/industrial/economic powerhouse. there is a reason we did as well as we did. in a few years time our defense budget will exceed gdp-porkishits. if anything power differential will go up and up.

like any other jingo i also wanted to see decapitation strike. may be some other time..

Jai Hind!

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 12 May 2025 09:00

RCase wrote: ↑12 May 2025 06:13 Gen Hari Mohan in conversation with Gen. Ravi Shankar.
Interesting titbits about Paki aircraft hits.
Some insights on operations planning and how the army puts its plans into motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv68yYwaCk4

Also very good insights from Gen Harimohan on how he thinks things will pan out over next 3 years for Pakistan. I agree with him that 2-3 years is what pakistan has left.

I also feel that Modi would want his legacy to be obliteration of pakistan and will possibly want this to happen in this term itself.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 12 May 2025 09:06

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑12 May 2025 05:36
Deans wrote: ↑11 May 2025 15:00 will give us barely a 4 : 3 superiority over Pak.
What ratio is termed "overwhelming superiority" of the kind Amrus talk about? Is it 2:1 or 10:1? 10:1 would be a turkey shoot.

3 : 1 is what is taught in military academies. Probably more than that in the mountains, where the defending side has literally decades to
prepare their defensive positions. When each side starts losing similar numbers of men, the ratio quickly changes in favour of the larger side.

This is superiority in firepower. not manpower. We can overcome the lack of a manpower advantage if we have air and artillery superiority
of a 3:1 or greater ratio, but we don't.
In Kargil, it took 2 of our divisions, with massive artillery support, 2 months to take back a relatively small part of territory, against a much smaller force.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 May 2025 09:15

nishant.gupta wrote: ↑12 May 2025 09:00 I agree with him that 2-3 years is what pakistan has left.

In the initial decade of Indian independence, India was predicted to unravel quickly and TSP was spoken of as being a strong country united by religion, even as that abomination of a country was being wracked by so many severe things.

Things had dramatically changed since then!

At various points in time in my BRF life, I had also felt that it was just a matter of time. I now realize that a few crirtical things have to all come together at the right time for that to happen, as it did in 1971. The 3½ Friends/Fathers are still active and the possession of nuclear weapons help it from drowning completely. Just bobbing its head above water.

prashantsharma · Post by **prashantsharma** » 12 May 2025 09:28

prashantsharma wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:01 Isnt it time to rid ourselves of this “proportionate” BS and move to disproportionate. They arent getting the message.

For a change we did exactly this. The pakis wargamed this horribly. Thought they would control the intensity and trajecyory, starting with drones and arty. And that they would determine when to ratchet it up, that we would only retailiate in same way. After two days of tolerating it, we just said lets play like real men with some bigger toys. We skipped intermediate steps and went straight to the point of a classic war - AD and airbases, brought out the brahmos n scalp. Showed that we dont need to expend 00s of drones to find their weak spots or elint signature. We knew that already. After seeung for one or two days that they didnt have anything to stop our strikes to AD n airbases, they knew they were out ot their depth here. More so once some of their attempts to fling missiles back at us flopped, for the pakis are not one to back done unless they can show that they are one up or have atleast equalled the score (like in 2019).
Am so proud of our forces.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 12 May 2025 09:33

williams wrote: ↑12 May 2025 01:24 BTW today is the day we celebrated the event of Buddha smiling again in 1998. I never imagined 27 years later Paki crown jewels will be squeezed this way with precision weapons. Buddha is laughing now.

It is Buddha पौर्णिमा after all

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 May 2025 09:39

About US DOE aircraft:

The US DOE aircraft in Pakistan is likely part of nuclear safety cooperation. Operated by the NNSA, the Beechcraft B300 (N111SZ) monitors radiation, possibly for baseline surveys or incident response. Historical US-Pakistan collaboration on nuclear security supports this.

The mission seems legitimate but underscores the need for transparency - from US and Pak site.
BTW: We (India) will certainly get reliable data by our own monitoring about any (even whiff) of any radiation leak ..)

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 May 2025 09:41

Earlier when we went into this operation people were worried whether we will be able to do another surgical strike since TSP would have prepared their defenses after learning from 2019. Once we hit the terror camps with missiles the worry shifted to whether we had lost any aircrafts in the process. Then it moved to whether our AD will hold up against Chinese and Turkish drone swarms and what not.

Now that we have decimated their airbases and potentially damaged their nuke umbrella, we are still worried whether they will 'learn' from this and come back to hurt us in the future. The dhoti-shivering in BRF will never stop but saar we should take a pause for some time to think about it and change the soiled dhoti.

prashantsharma · Post by **prashantsharma** » 12 May 2025 09:43

At strategic, tactical and technical levels, we have done a superb job. Showed we learnt from past operations and were ready at short notice. Took the initiative to set the pace of operations once thresholds of patience were crossed and the porkis just couldnt keep up amd had to ask for a TO.
The good performanxe ot our indigenous systems along with our ability to make french, isreali, american and russian weapons work in sync has been another standout.
Hope they do the math and realise that this time 25 indians have costed them a bn $ at the very least and next time, they will pay more.
The fragility of their vaunted military prowess has been laid bare, as has the glossiness of chinese and turkish maal.
But i am certain there will be a next time. They dont learn and their egos and sense of islamic superiority over a nation ot hindus will ensure they will repeat some barbaric act. How soon, only time will tell

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 12 May 2025 10:24

prashantsharma wrote: ↑09 May 2025 21:01 Isnt it time to rid ourselves of this “proportionate” BS and move to disproportionate. They arent getting the message.

Based on statements of the DGMO and interpretation of those statements by retd. generals of the army, it is quite obvious that this is putting the Pakis in a 'liquid-oxygen' mode. Even the slightest bad behavior will invoke 'punitive' punishment and not tit-for-tat or proportionate response. This skirmish has validated Bharath's air defence and accuracy of strike. Also punishment may come at any time at India's choice of time. They have to be constantly on alert! It will drain their resources faster. Not to mention food, water and medical shortages. Other internal fissures will keep them occupied.

Reading between the lines, the PAF has been severely degraded. We will have to wait for sometime to let the damage numbers slowly leak out from Pak. J-10s, JF 17s, F-16s, AWACS, C130, Refuellers. Based on the hits, India knew which building to hit! It will take a while for them to rebuild their radar infrastructure.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 May 2025 10:26

williams wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:39 "Wahan se goli chalegi, toh yahan se gola chalega" - Namo Doctrine!!

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 12 May 2025 10:38

asbchakri wrote: ↑12 May 2025 07:42 https://indiandefenseanalysis.wordpress ... -pakistan/

Just read about this system, very impressive.

Akashteer is the kid, the baap is IACCS..

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 12 May 2025 10:40

Imagine if an election was held now !!

Arima · Post by **Arima** » 12 May 2025 10:41

Amber G. wrote: ↑12 May 2025 09:39 About US DOE aircraft:

The US DOE aircraft in Pakistan is likely part of nuclear safety cooperation. Operated by the NNSA, the Beechcraft B300 (N111SZ) monitors radiation, possibly for baseline surveys or incident response. Historical US-Pakistan collaboration on nuclear security supports this.

The mission seems legitimate but underscores the need for transparency - from US and Pak site.
BTW: We (India) will certainly get reliable data by our own monitoring about any (even whiff) of any radiation leak ..)

lof of chatter about some likely Boron flowing from Egypt ..yada yada
is this all hawabaazi? post defeat victim syndrome being thrown around by TSP?

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 May 2025 10:52

drnayar wrote: ↑12 May 2025 10:40 Imagine if an election was held now !!

More than that the youth of India is charged up. We need to go on a recruitment drive. Let us fill up the shortages of officers and other ranks quickly and get ready for the end game. Pakis will be a thorn in the flesh even if we become a 10 trillion dollar economy and with our own MIC. We need to find a solution soon.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 12 May 2025 10:56

Mudi will lose onlee for not meeting the expectation of wiping out Pakistan off the map. Good news is seeing the opposition in Pak camp, people will double press on Kamal. So opposition can cry "Mudi must rejjine" for another decade.

New Slogan just arrived
https://x.com/shilpa_khopade/status/1921625345331019778
2008 - 2025. We have permanently moved away from Aman ki Asha to Brahmos ki Bhasha.
"No to Aman ki Asha and Yes to Brahmos ki Basha."
All credits to Shilpa khopade

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 May 2025 11:03

As long a Pappu Ji works for BJP PR office, there is no danger for Modi Ji losing elections

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 May 2025 11:07

RCase wrote: ↑the PAF has been severely degraded. We will have to wait for sometime to let the damage numbers slowly leak out from Pak. J-10s, JF 17s, F-16s, AWACS, C130, Refuellers.

Very true, but more than this Pakistani pest, I am happy that IAF & IA exposed the Chinese hardware for what they are. It does the following:

Fully validated our products in a real-war scenario.
Should have given a lot of inputs for operators & designers of the system for tweaking & fine-tuning
Our weapons designers & end-users must have got a real boost in confidence.
Atmanirbharta should go in full flow
Foreign buyers who had shown interest in Akash will seriously consider it now

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2025 11:48

The SATNAV systems used by India to guide their missiles and aircraft was not the GPS or the GLONAS.

It is an Indian developed satellite based nav system called the NAVIK in which the Indian made satellites have all been launched by ISRO.

we had a bitter experience during kargil when the americans shut off their GPS systems over kashmir/kargil making navigation extremely difficult for IAF fighter aircraft and some of the IA's artillery systems

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 May 2025 12:07

We did not have enough information when the stopfire was announced and I was critical of having stopped prematurely. After yesterday's presser, and more info coming in about some specific attacks at specific locations, it's clear that some unexpected and unimaginable outcomes were achieved in the HOURS before the Pakis folded.

So I humbly and gratefully salute our leadership and the forces, DRDO and MIC.

The present situation in Pak is very unique and goes beyond just military matters and opens up several possibilities for Bharat not just wrt Pak, but also wrt it's role as a net security provider in IOR and broader world stage. Very very interesting times.
Jai Hind. Jai Maa Kali!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 May 2025 12:21

Arima wrote: ↑12 May 2025 10:41
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lof of chatter about some likely Boron flowing from Egypt ..yada yada
is this all hawabaazi? post defeat victim syndrome being thrown around by TSP?

The "Boron from Egypt" chatter—this seems like a case of misinformation or a desperate attempt at narrative control.

-Boron is used in nuclear reactors primarily because of boron-10, which has a high neutron absorption cross-section.

It's employed in control rods, coolants (like borated water in PWRs), and emergency shutdown systems to suppress fission.

BUT you do not transport boron after a radiation leak to "clean it up." It’s not a decontaminant or a radiation shield in that sense.

If someone is claiming Boron is being brought in to fix a radiation leak, that's scientific hogwash.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 12 May 2025 12:33

https://enviroliteracy.org/what-materia ... radiation/
Neutron shielding in research and medical facilities: Boron compounds are added to concrete or incorporated into polymer materials.
What if it is mixed with Polymer material from China and then mixed with Concrete to close the entrance.

Luxtor · Post by **Luxtor** » 12 May 2025 12:38

chetak wrote: ↑12 May 2025 11:48 The SATNAV systems used by India to guide their missiles and aircraft was not the GPS or the GLONAS.

It is an Indian developed satellite based nav system called the NAVIK in which the Indian made satellites have all been launched by ISRO.

we had a bitter experience during kargil when the americans shut off their GPS systems over kashmir/kargil making navigation extremely difficult for IAF fighter aircraft and some of the IA's artillery systems

Since the Americans shut off their gps denying India operational accuracy during Kargil war, maybe we should've told them to go shove it when they called us this time to save their prostitute's ass.