Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[williams]

Everyone there felt shame...all the way from the base commander (Air Commodore rank) to the youngest Flight Lieutenant

Folks we need to conclude that Pakis will never feel the shame. You destroy all their ACs, they will create a few photoshopped ones and declare victory. If you cut them into four more independent countries, they will still say they won, and it was a political decision to cut themselves into four countries. Their friends at CNN and Reuters will back them up. We should not care about it and waste the bandwidth in our brains.

The same goes for this whole fake news that we lost 5 ACs. Our borders are highly populated; we would have gotten that info by now. AM said all the pilots came home. He did not give any numbers on how many ACs we lost. The Key point is that he said any number he gives helps the enemy. Some say this is war; we should have lost some ACs. Not until it is confirmed or we have solid evidence in OS. So, as BRites, we should not give our brains any room for enemy propaganda. Have you seen in any of the Paki or Chini deaf and dumb forums people accepting their loses even after we have shown satellite pictures? So let's focus our analysis on things that are put out officially or what our generals speak about. If any neutral experts are towing our line, we give some space; if not, they are not helpful. This is information warfare.

By the way, MKIs have an Indian made IRST from 2020. Rafale also has very good IRST (developed by SAGEM) capability. Our Phalaon and Netras have AAR capability, and we had enough refuelers for this engagement envelope. This is clarification for those who think our ACs were flying blind.

[SRajesh]

Almost every Paki show and two bit Anal Cyst is crowing about the ceasefire!!
One knobhead has gone far enough to do a psychological assesment of NaMo post conflict claiming that NaMo is in severe Depression or whatever Pakfrued Term he has come up with!!
But one is certain that they ahve been hurt badly and to cover up they are putting out all sorts of theories and explanations.
Take for example Dawn discussion with SOB Basit.
They still think that the old fahsioned 'AkA' type Kebab and Wine parties will start in Tashkent or Timbucktoo!!
They desperate for talks or anything to show to their Awam!!
Also did anyone notice that Im the Dim release is being contemplated!!
Maybe AM wants to tke the pedal off the gas just to fool the Americans (as they done for decades!!) but Chinese have wizened up and may not open the purse!!
They will wait for Unkil to pour in money and then they will sell crap equipment and take that cash!!

[Yayavar]

There is a another major shake up in the desi population mindset. Many for the first time are realizing the perfidy and the bias of the western media and the "liberal media". It has been very satisfying to see messages such as "who can one believe? How can one get the facts without spin and embellishments" on WA groups. This eye-openenr for those who consumed nyt, CNN, bbc, wire, or Chindu without questioning is another missile strike.

[Dilbu]

Did TSPA start distributing medals for the latest banyan-ur-chaddi operation yet? I recommend one for fizzleya’s that Aurangzeb fellow for trying gallantly to convince everyone using photoshopped PPTs.

[pravula]

1. Sargodha and Mianwali have upwards of 50 each, which will be much more than the number of aircraft actually deployed at the airbase.
2. The HAS are widely separated and each needs to be attacked with a separate standoff PGM. Add in the complexity of knowing which particular HAS is occupied and which is empty to avoid wasting costly standoff PGMs.
3. The number of PGMs and sorties will run into the hundreds, cost in billions, time in weeks.
4. The IAF so far hit only a few maintenance hangars which might have had big assets like AEW, transport. At most a few fighters too could have been inside which were in maintenance and couldnt be shifted to the HAS.

Just curious, is there a weapons system out there that acts like a BM MIRV, but instead of MIRV's, which are replaced by a couple of dozens of PGMs, each PGM programmed to hit a specific GPS point in an area? Agni V can carry upto 12 MIRV's with each of them weighing 400 kilos. PGMs weigh a little less, so 20 or so can be crammed in to Agni sized BM, we only need 1-2 Agni's per air base to mop up their air force. This is all OT.

Yes. The RS-26 launched something similar. PGM will be tricky due to speeds involved and plasma

[Cyrano]

Seeing the central role played by NAVIC constellation of satellites, one can appreciate why it was important to have ASAT missile capability in defensive or offensive posture.

We have a full bag of tricks and not everything has been revealed yet

[rajpa]

I think it was a big mistake to let the Pakis off with just a tap to the bases. We should have demolished them and ensured it will take them a decade to recover.

I am afraid that the next terror attack may not provide us such a juicy opportunity.

[drnayar]

Pakis are touting the ability of the Erieyes to retarget their PL20 chinese missiles at stand off distances [ two-way datalink ?!] [ heck its in the brochures anyway] and that IAF was unaware of this capability ? .. is this hogwash ., the report was also saying the initial wave of PL20s downed one indian jet

[rohiths]

Chinese are giving very agressive statements on Arunachal Pradesh together with negative pieces in their propoganda outlets. I think it is time to reinforce Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh quickly. They may try some misadventure given the losses by their favourite dog

[hanumadu]

Some are platforming Tom Cooper and any other gora who gives us "victory"

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Tom Cooper has become a household name in India. He said the right things at the right time. “A clear cut victory for India”. Moments make a man! He was in multiple Indian news channels wearing the same clothes. Must have been a very busy day

Indian media has bestowed him with the titles
“No 1 AirPower Expert”
“World’s No 1 Military Historian”

Mark my words his character will make it in one of the Bollywood movies about this Operation

Now that he has gained credibility with Indians, he will be paid handsomely by others to use this trust to conduct psyops on India.

[bala]

This business of Pak land Nuclear deterrence is complete media BS created by US and China. People like B. Clinton are crooks of the highest kind and got paid of by the chinese to perpetuate such myths. Currently Pak land is nuke nude and India has smashed their Hollywood facade of nuke activity in operation sindoor. There is now no uncertainty nor a perception of Pak land capability in Nuke area. Most Indian military leaders and even the top politicos don't seem to be bothered too much about Pak land nukes (since it is non-existent). BTW US has a contingency plan of such eventuality in pak land, maybe dirty nukes with AQ Khan centrifuge uranium. BTW where are the nuke scientist of pak land, madrassa edu cannot make them? India can safely ignore all the BS of nuclear arsenal of pak land altering (mostly by Ayatollah think tanks of US) any strategic calculations, operation sindoor has bombed them back to the stone age in terms of nukes. The only fellows who continue this talk of Pak land nukes are the US and China. China perhaps parked their QA failed equipment in Pak land to bolster the number of nukes in Pak land. Also I dont rule out storage of spent nuclear fuel dump in Pak land by both US and China. In the US the left loonies were against spent nuclear fuel dumps in the US. The US/CIA has complete control over the hollywood facade of Pak land. India's policy is, if any pak land nukes are used including tactical ones then pak land will be totally annihilated in a second strike. I think India can rest easy with the business of nuclear pak land BS. The only nukes exploded in Pak land were Chinese ones (trying to finish up their live testing).

[durairaaj]

Where is Pakisthan Army Chief? Is he alive??

[A Sharma]

"Exceptional Synergy": How Homegrown Systems Propelled Op Sindoor Success

All the strikes were executed without any loss of Indian assets, underscoring the effectiveness of India's surveillance, planning, and delivery systems, the government said.

[williams]

Just curious, is there a weapons system out there that acts like a BM MIRV, but instead of MIRV's, which are replaced by a couple of dozens of PGMs, each PGM programmed to hit a specific GPS point in an area? Agni V can carry upto 12 MIRV's with each of them weighing 400 kilos. PGMs weigh a little less, so 20 or so can be crammed in to Agni sized BM, we only need 1-2 Agni's per air base to mop up their air force. This is all OT.

Yes. The RS-26 launched something similar. PGM will be tricky due to speeds involved and plasma

MIRV with PGM... India has cluster munitions and is not a signatory to the CCM. Listen, we could have flattened every Paki base if we want on the early hours of May 9/10th. But then there would be a large amount of collateral damage. We will probably be declared as an irresponsible power by the same Western media. Right now, we still have a high ethical ground regarding the use of military power responsibly. Diplomats and intelligence agencies around the world know that. When the world order changes, we will be on top based on these little sacrifices we make today. Pakis are toast anyway, why lose our reputation for these idiots.

[RCase]

Here is about this gora 'war expert':
Tom Cooper
Tom Cooper is an Austrian aerial warfare analyst and historian. Following a career in the worldwide transportation business - during which he established a network of contacts in the Middle East and Africa - he moved into narrow-focus analysis and writing on small, little-known air forces and conflicts, about which he has collected extensive archives. This has resulted in specialisation in such Middle Eastern air forces as of those of Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, and various African and Asian air forces. In addition to authoring and co-authoring more than 50 books - including an in-depth analysis of major Arab air forces during the wars with Israel in 1955-1973 - and over 1,000 articles, Cooper is a co-editor of Helion’s @War book series.

https://www.helion.co.uk/people/tom-cooper.php

[vera_k]

"Exceptional Synergy": How Homegrown Systems Propelled Op Sindoor Success

All the strikes were executed without any loss of Indian assets, underscoring the effectiveness of India's surveillance, planning, and delivery systems, the government said.

Looks like ballistic missile interceptors did not come into play. Would have found a mention if there was an interception using the endo or exo atmospheric interceptors.

[rajkumar]

Where is Pakisthan Army Chief? Is he alive??

Unfortunately Yes. He was seen visiting wounded Pakistani's soldiers at a hospital

[williams]

Where is Pakisthan Army Chief? Is he alive??

Yeah we spared his life.This I think was a mistake. We should have used another bunker buster directed towards his bunker when we had the chance that night. Perhaps our folks thought he his destined for lamp post after this debacle anyways.

[Amber G.]

On Diplomatic front:

-EAM Jaishankar, Austria's new FM Beate Meinl hold talks; Indian readout says both ,'agreed on zero tolerance of terrorism & firm opposition to nuclear blackmail

-Terroristan PM Shehbaz Sharif speaks to UAE Prez Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan; Pakistan readout says, Pak reaffirmed commitment to ceasefire understanding, & raised Indus Waters Treaty.

- Indian Team in New York to Brief UN counter terror body Today on Pak Terrorism Support

- Indian technical team is in New York & are interacting today with the Monitoring Team of the 1267 Sanctions Committee (ists UN terrorists)) and other partner countries in the UN. This over Pakistan's role in supporting terrorism. The briefing might include TRF's role in Pahalgam terror attack.

- Sources - @WIONews

[Amber G.]

US listed terrorist at Lahore victory rally:

Source -@sidhant

[bala]

One of the stars of India Air defense system is the Akash system. Here is an interview with Prahlada Ramarao, who is known as the maker of the iconic Akash Missile. A great man, leader and hard worker, Prahlada takes you through his journey in DRDO after doing his masters in aerospace with emphasis on rockety, missiles and more. The episode pays a heartfelt tribute to the legendary Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, offering insights into his leadership style and how he united diverse talents for India's missile projects. Dr. Prahlada Ramarao talks about sanction of projects to the tune of 300 crores by Venkataraman, defence minister of GOI. Such initial investments choices has led to where India is today in terms of indigenous R&D and defence products. Worth your time to see this YT.


Genius Behind the Missiles of India | The Frugal Innovator- Mr. Prahlada Ramarao
Jan 10, 2025

[Rudradev]

I get worried when I see the names/faces/posts of key individuals in our weapons and space programs being publicized.

Of course they "deserve" celebrity and fame. But while still serving, their security is more important, both for themselves & their families and also the nation.

[hanumadu]

"Exceptional Synergy": How Homegrown Systems Propelled Op Sindoor Success

All the strikes were executed without any loss of Indian assets, underscoring the effectiveness of India's surveillance, planning, and delivery systems, the government said.

There you go, confirmation of no loss of Indian aircraft.

[williams]

"Exceptional Synergy": How Homegrown Systems Propelled Op Sindoor Success

All the strikes were executed without any loss of Indian assets, underscoring the effectiveness of India's surveillance, planning, and delivery systems, the government said.

There you go, confirmation of no loss of Indian aircraft.

Nooooo. We need all the 36 Rafales landing in Hindon AFS then only we will believe Even then some Pakis will say we made an emergency purchase to make up the numbers.

[Cyrano]

I get worried when I see the names/faces/posts of key individuals in our weapons and space programs being publicized.

Of course they "deserve" celebrity and fame. But while still serving, their security is more important, both for themselves & their families and also the nation.

Same here, but Dr Prahlada is retired from service and well into his seventies. Other serving greats like him maintain a low profile for the reasons you cited and also because they are true karma yogis who don't care for public recognition. Nevertheless Modi govt has given high recognition to many of them quietly and out of public eye.

[Rudradev]

"Exceptional Synergy": How Homegrown Systems Propelled Op Sindoor Success

All the strikes were executed without any loss of Indian assets, underscoring the effectiveness of India's surveillance, planning, and delivery systems, the government said.

There you go, confirmation of no loss of Indian aircraft.

Then this is the most overwhelming military victory worldwide since the 1990 Persian Gulf War. Maybe even more so.

[V_Raman]

there is no equivalent victory - i mean attacking a nuclear armed country - and that too your neighbor - disabling their fighters in their bases - there is no comparison - this is a first in modern warfare!

[V_Raman]

One key learning for me - this comes from unconfirmed stories - is the PL-15E targeting with launch from fighter jets and course correction from AWACs to evade detection. That is a powerful combo if indeed true and worth investing in as a capability and also how to counter it with PLAAF. That initial surprise IAF got - again if true - might be one of the signals to the decision of hitting PAF air bases to disable their fighters from taking off.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile ; "Victory parade and celebration in Pakistan Occupied Balochistan"


For Justice Peace and Dignity!
India stands with Balochistan!

Civilians organised a massive protest today in Kharan of Pakistan Occupied Balochistan against Pakistan Army’s atrocities against ordinary Baloch men, women and children

Look at the crowd in the above video: I like this closeup:

[gakakkad]

Is the official battle damage assessment out somewhere?

[RCase]

I get worried when I see the names/faces/posts of key individuals in our weapons and space programs being publicized.

Of course they "deserve" celebrity and fame. But while still serving, their security is more important, both for themselves & their families and also the nation.

Don't worry. There is military intelligence!

[RCase]

There you go, confirmation of no loss of Indian aircraft.

Nooooo. We need all the 36 Rafales landing in Hindon AFS then only we will believe Even then some Pakis will say we made an emergency purchase to make up the numbers.

Especially Rafale BS 001(weren't the serial numbers starting with RB, after ACM RKS Bhadauria?) with nimboo and mirchi and swastika tilak!

[AkshaySG]

Especially Rafale BS 001(weren't the serial numbers starting with RB, after ACM RKS Bhadauria?) with nimboo and mirchi and swastika tilak!

Initial batch had BS #s after BS Dhanoa

[AkshaySG]

French are being quite self-flagellating for no reason.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi ... ng-colours

France 24 publishing hogwash about "Chinese weapons passing with flying colors" and claiming " 3 Rafale jets down" .Earlier the "expert" claims to CNN etc that didn't get any pushback.

[A_Gupta]

There is a another major shake up in the desi population mindset. Many for the first time are realizing the perfidy and the bias of the western media and the "liberal media". It has been very satisfying to see messages such as "who can one believe? How can one get the facts without spin and embellishments" on WA groups. This eye-openenr for those who consumed nyt, CNN, bbc, wire, or Chindu without questioning is another missile strike.

The Indian media too needs its sober, reliable outlets apart from all the noisemakers.

Also, the internal politics of India needs reform:
Charvaka podcast outlining the Pak-sympathetic parties:
https://www.youtube.com/live/7bnU_6zW20 ... n_nhBlWSDN

[Ambar]

There is a another major shake up in the desi population mindset. Many for the first time are realizing the perfidy and the bias of the western media and the "liberal media". It has been very satisfying to see messages such as "who can one believe? How can one get the facts without spin and embellishments" on WA groups. This eye-openenr for those who consumed nyt, CNN, bbc, wire, or Chindu without questioning is another missile strike.


The Indian media too needs its sober, reliable outlets apart from all the noisemakers.

Sadly social media has not make it any better but made it worse by 1000x. Old heads here may remember the dark,depressing days of 26/11, in all the bloodshed one thing we were proud of was the accuracy of information. Now no one seems to vet the social media messages anymore, be it the mainstream media or the social media or youtubers, everyone is after clicks and views. Even semi-serious outlets like pgurus just scrap the social media and fill their daily quota of 15 mins, the less said about the modern age mainstream news channel the better.

[Amber G.]

Paki's will be Pakis..

The Pakistan government could pay Rs 14 crore in compensation to Masood Azhar, UN-designated terrorist and chief of the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), after 14 of his family members were reportedly killed in recent Indian airstrikes.

But the they do admit, 14 of his family member's were killed..

[A_Gupta]

Perhaps to continue on another thread - but say, China helped Pakistan set up its air defenses, and India punched right through them. Will the fear of "air defenses down" postpone China's attempt to invade Taiwan?

One can even imagine that China will throw its considerable resources at fixing the problem, and then will want a combat test - so will equip Pakistan and egg it into another Op Sindoor scenario.

Is there a good China thread on which to consider how the strategic calculus of the entire region surrounding China changes for the next several years?

[bhavani]

As a result of the OP Sindoor we did find out a few things from a strategic standpoint

1. UK : in a bigger war UK will likely stay semi-silent or support Pakistan
2. US: US will be no strategic supporter

The foreign media is completely fully infiltrated with Paki elements.

We have to depend our own military industrial complex, no alternatives for our systems.

[pravula]

We did not throw any decent US systems against this ADS. What can china game/gain wrt Taiwan?